/lit/ - Literature

First for FUCK E William Brown
Fuck Dresden Files and
Fuck Cuck elves

>>15471560
You could have put anything in the OP and you put a chunk of rock.
Disappointing.

Has anyone read Blood Song series by Anthony Ryan?
Was it really a fantasy? Correct me if I am wrong but the "magic" was created by advanced civilization, using technology, and then the world went to shit, all knowledge was lost and mankind went back 2000 years back into dark ages .

I quite liked the series, especially book 1, good writing, good action and excelent character development but the sciene fantasy really kind of ruined that aspect of the story.
Science fantasy should not be allowed.

>>15471560
Read it today, nearly in one sitting, was pretty good.

Also.
Fuck cringe tier hero stories.
Fuck anything that isn't military fantasy.

>>15471794
I think you're confusing books with Mark Lawrence

>>15471870
Who

>>15471834
>military fantasy

How has this helped you grow as a person?

Fuck Sanderson (Don't actually though, he should've stayed a virgin)

I'm literally having to force myself to read The Way of Kings. There would be no way would I read this shit unless it were paid or on an aeroplane.

>>15472018
>How has this helped you grow as a person?
I found the values in there, portraying comradeship and self sacrifice to be truly inspiring.
So much so that I would say that it has genuinely changed my view on what I want to do in my life, or even what I actually did do. I think if I hadn't read Malazan specifically, I might not be on my way to become a volunteer firefighter right now.

I think this greatly contrasts to the more traditional hero story. Great things aren't done by lone heroes, but by groups, working together, where the willing suffering of individuals, together is what makes things possible.

>>15472117
Pretty safe 'fuck x' in this thread desu.
But while on the BrandoSando bashing train, someone in /tg/ the other day had a pretty bang on take.

>>15472139
2deep4me.
But for real though, good stuff anon.
Keep on keeping on I guess.

>>15471560
This book is based on that asteroid.

>>15472175
So how is the book?
The synopsis is pretty shitty.

>>15472252
It starts off ok but 2/3 in there is quite a bit of bloat until you get to the 3/3 where things pick up again.

It is kind of a mix between Event Horizon, Alien and Pandorum. I give it a 6/10, not bad but not exactly great either. Could of been much better if not for the bloat.

>>15472300
Eh figured as much.

>>15472175
>we though
>we no longer
>needed her...
yup, that female author goes to my "never read this shit!" list

>>15472327
It written by a man though you dumb incel.

Authors name is right there David Wellington. He is primarily a horror writter, this is his first sci-fi book.

>>15472342
Then he writes like a female.

>>15472342
>Unironically calling someone an incel
I don't care where you go, but you need to go.

>>15472342
>implying that's a man mane
are you assuming hex gender?? fucking bigot!

>>15472355
>>15472356
>>15472361
Kill yourselves

>>15472371
Can't take the bantz incel?

>>15471794
>g but the "magic" was created by advanced civilization, using technology, and then the world went to shit, all knowledge was lost and mankind went back 2000 years back into dark ages .
That's either any of Mark Lawrence's works or A Land Fit for Heroes

Blood Song is standard european set fantasy

>>15471834
Based

>>15472139
>comradeship
>self sacrifice
>Malazan
>volunteer
Cringe. Any books that are the literal opposite of this?

>Great things aren't done by lone heroes, but by groups, working together
Based.

>where the willing suffering of individuals, together is what makes things possible.
Cringe. We should have centralized power which forces coordination, so that common good can be maximized. Humans are inherently retarded and can't be trusted to do shit.

Your basedboy levels are a rollercoaster, anon. Keep reading Parker, specifically The Engineer Trilogy to achieve enlightenment.

>>15472146
wtf, I love /tg/ now

>>15472407
Mentioning that hack is an offence punishable by death. Compared to him, Sanderson is Tolstoy.

>>15472534
How can you be so edgy and not like Mark Lawrence?

>>15472545
>anyone who exhibits even a trace of misanthropy is edgy

>>15472564
Don't be such an edgelord.

>>15472606

>>15472648
Please don't cry, I was just joking.

>>15472407
Magic in Blood Song is the product of technology. Did you read the series?

>>15472746
yes and you're wrong

>>15472762
Can you explain then how magic came to be in the series?

Looking for some man shit that will make me want to go for a jog or lift weights.
Things like Gates of Fire or Red Rising.

>>15472803
can't prove your negative

Haven't been here in months. Did I miss anything?

>>15472534
>Any books that are the literal opposite of this?
Eragon.

>>comradeship
>>self sacrifice
>>Malazan
>>volunteer
>Cringe.
Extremely cringe.


>Cringe. We should have centralized power which forces coordination, so that common good can be maximized. Humans are inherently retarded and can't be trusted to do shit.
I mean, what you are saying seems unrelated to what I said.
There seems absolutely no contradiction between the simple fact that basically any large scale operation is based upon group action and that other fact that large scale group action is only possible because of a hierarchical structure.

>>15472545
>Mark Lawrence
Basically vanilla. Read something like the Turner Diaries if you want real edge.

I feel like cuckshit is more acceptable in literature now. Which is great because now I can write the heroine of my story taking some casual dick on the side.

>>15473223
>heroine
Cringe

>>15473231
I mean that she's the "main girl" of the story. The protagonist is still a guy.

>>15473267
Oh that is even worse.

>>15473277
I know, that's why I'n going to do it.

>>15473299
You should probably add some femdom, feet and whatever other weird shit cucks are aroused by.
Pandering to your audience etc.

>>15473312
I don't have an audience, I'm just throwing shit at the wall and smearing it to see what I can come up with.

>>15472981
.

>>15473316
I did not thought of scat but whatever floats your boat.

>>15473267
Why do you even have a "main girl" in your story? Unless it's porn romantic novel, using sex scenes is just a crutch to support shitty story.

>>15473354
It's not a girl, it's actual a futa. And she rapes some bitch.

>>15473374

>>15473374
Anon what are you smoking?

>>15473354
Nothing wrong with Sex scenes, dialogue with female is true cringe.

>>15473397
>Nothing wrong with Sex scenes
At the very best it's padding. Other times when there is no substance, sex scenes are used to fill that void, so yes, everything is wrong with sex scenes.

Unless you're writing full on trashy erotica, then writing detailed sex scenes is pretty cringe. If you have to make it known that two characters fucked then simply allude to it.

>>15473536
I want to see a contrived plot relevant sex scene now.

Recommend me the most unique sci-fi novellas and short novels you can think of. I really enjoyed Roadside Picnic, The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, Dying Inside, and I'm particularly a sucker for sad stories about troubled men.

>>15473587
Blind sight.

>>15473587
Dark Matter

I'm going on a trip for a few days and it'd be nice to bring something to read with me on this cheap tablet I got.
I was hoping for a nice fantasy read. I've been working away at Mistborn by Brandon Sanderson, but I feel like I need something else to add to my diet. Anything that is sort of fantasy schlock that isn't incredibly well known? (Like Wheel of Time/Forgotten Realms/Black Company books, etc)
There was this good series about Dwarves I recall enjoying, but I don't remember where I left off in the first one and I didn't really feel like finding it out.

Any ideas of something fun to reach would be nice, thanks. I'm interested in the sort of cringy stuff, magic and swords and fantasy unicorns and all that.
Bless

>>15473676
>>15466566

>>15473713
Hey, that looks neat!! Thanks.
Sorry for being spoonfed so hard. I'll look into it.

>>15473374
>>15473374
>the heroine of my story taking some casual dick on the side
>it's actual a futa. And she rapes some bitch.
How did we go from woman to futa? And casual sex to rape?

>>15473779
That anon is clearly on drugs.

>>15473779
Perhaps the casual sex turned her into a futa degenerate?

>>15473896
So she took so much dick she decided to have one herself?
Talk about penis envy.

June book club poll: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/201953-june-book-club-nominations

>>15474129
What reddit faggotry is this?

>>15474129
>Sorry, you don't have permission to view that poll

>>15474159
Have be a group member and not be using the app.

>>15474136
it's goodreads faggotry

>>15474159
you have to join the sffg group: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

>>15474230
>it's goodreads faggotry
Same shit.

>you have to join the sffg group
LOL

>>15474230
jesus fucking christ leave

Most of you have never read or heard of this collection, but those of you who have can you recommend something similar and equally degenerate?

any fantasy literature like Lolita?

>>15474276
Yes
>>15474269

>>15474295
interesting

>>15474265
the book club is an sffg staple

>>15474374
Not on fucking Gayreads it's not.

>>15474374
which is why it hasn't been in the OP for a long time, right? typical redditor logic

Can we please not derail 5 threads over the weekend by replying to the OP sperg again

>>15474589
what?

>>15474589
Me?

>>15472175
>woman astronaut

>>15474978
Get with the times, misogynist.
Womyn can be astronauts too!

>>15475001

>>15475001
someone explain

>>15475313
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak

A scanner Darkly and Android's dream are head and shoulders above the rest of his oveur. They both make man in the high castle look like shit

>>15473676

>>15474229
>Have be a group member and not be using the app
Phoneposters btfo

>>15474276
You talking about the loli aspects of Lolita?
Black Jewels Trilogy.

>>15475772
...gay rape and incest?
i see

>>15475800
fucking based
ill look into it thanks

>>15474276

>>15475831
"How old is wavy in all the ugly and wonderful things?"
"Yes, he's 12 1/2 years older, an especially squirm-inducing detail while Wavy is still in grade school. But what good can be found in their world, they find in each other."
Sorry, no homo.

>>15474276

>>15475845
/lit/ is truly, finally and ultimately
based.

What is it about putting dick in lesbians that is so hot?
Any books where lesbians are forced to take dick like in Abercrombie's books?

>>15475842
Wavy is a girl

>>15475870
I take it back, based

>>15475772
>Sanderson not in shit
Awful list.

>>15475868
stop watching porn. It’s rotting your brain. Seriously

>>15476023
>let me reply to something without adding any value to the original request
Put up or shut up. If you want to pretend like you read, and think Sanderson is just the worst ever, then suggest a book to the anon, faggot.

To the chink aficionados, when is coiling dragon book 2/ volume 2 coming out on audio?

Are Zombie books science fiction/fantasy? Are there any good ones out there?

>>15476151
>waiting on book 2 of an 8 book series
Yea that’ll finish this decade lol

/sffg/, I had a new character idea that I want to use but I can't decide if it's a good idea to include her. What should I do?

>>15476180
World War Z is a classic. If you're fine with a mix of lowbrow comedy and discussions of social psychology, This Book Is Full of Spiders is pretty good too.

>>15476352
Oh, I actually read WWZ, I enjoyed it. I'll look into that other ones, thanks pal!

What happened to this guy?

>>15476180
Its not really a book per se but try the zombie survival guide. Its told in what if scenarios of different every day things and does so in incredible detail and in such a fashion that it is complete believable. Its also pretty hilarious. Its also by the same guy who wrote world war z.

>>15476180
They can be until the moment they turn into an episode of walking dead.

>>15476384
I'll check it out then! Thanks!

>>15476180
Rational zombie.

>>15476421
Haha, yeah. I'm not much of a fan of most zombie flicks, but there's some that I enjoy, mostly older ones.
>>15476498
Gonna look it up, thank you!

>>15476094
It was a joke, fucking christ alive you lot have become thin skinned.

>>15476364
Played too much of the worst edition of D&D as a joke and can't write anything with serious intention anymore would be my guess.

/sffg/, what's a fun rotation-based superpower? Right now the only one on my mind is a person with doll joints who can rotate every part of her body 360º at high speed


>>15476539
>worst edition of D&D
anon, you better be talking about 4e

>>15476618
Rotating gravity within a sphere around her

>>15476689
>>15476539
I too like orianna from league of legends

>>15476618
>>15476689
I too like orianna from league of legends

>>15476689
I don't want it to tie in with gravity or any other force or "element" since I'm trying to minimize overlap

Ideally, it would be an ability that can splatter a target or at least allow the user to pull off a bloody massacre with martial arts.The character idea behind this is a borderline-feral tomboy whose parents forced her to take ballet as a kid so she turned it into a martial art with the goal of kicking the ass of every prissy little ballerina in her class. What you can do with your magic in my setting is based on your own personal skills, so any magic she can do is derived from that

I just finished Dune and it was really good. Tried not to expect much because it's hyped up so much, but it had me hooked. Ending was a little anti-climatic with the knife fight, but all the shit with the Emperor made up for it.

Debating on jumping straight into Messiah or buffering it with something else.

>>15473587
It's a novelette, but The Second Kind of Loneliness.

>>15475845
Missing this

>>15472327
having worked in publishing for years, let me assure you that the author had NOTHING to do with that.

>>15472018
>How has this helped you grow as a person?
People don't read sci-fi and fantasy to grow as a person. Go back to your pretentious philosophy threads.

>>15476364
He said he can’t write as long as trump is president

>>15477640
>People don't read sci-fi and fantasy to grow as a person.
False.

>>15477935
Kill yourself

>>15477952
Why?
I even answered him here >>15472139

>>15477954
Do it to make yourself a better person.

>>15477966
I would think "growing as a person" and "becoming a better person" are synonyms.

>>15475772
>exotic not-Asia
Would Chung Kuo series count?

Are there any fantasy books with dwarves that are worth reading?
I love LOTR and warhammer dwarves/dwarfs but I've never read a fantasy book other than LOTR with any in them so my taste is pretty restricted.

>>15478219
>dwarfs

Just finished The Book of Knights by Yves Meynard. Excellent read for a more traditional tale of adventures and knightliness. Decided to read it after it was mentioned in The Wizard Knight.

>>15477640
Anything can inspire you to become a better person if you find something that resonates with you or see a new perspective.

>>15476364
At this point is seems that even GRRM will finish his book before Rothfuss. Martin is just a slow writer, but Rothfuss has apparently been "editing" Doors since 2013 without any real progress.

>>15478266
Thanks forthe recc fren.
How was the Wizard Knight? I just finished reading the first book of the new sun and I'm not sure about continuing with Wolfe. Is Wizard name the same kind of style anon?

>>15478219
literally
Dwarves
the series is pretty good

>>15478941
Fuck I forgot about this, thanks anon.

>>15479014
yeah! Dwarfs are the coolest!!

>>15479038
Why do you have to be mean anon?
I'm sorry my tastes don't live up to your high standard.

>>15479044
whuh?
I think dwarfs are badass and I found a kindred spirit of the beard

>>15479055
Oh sorry.
The dwarfs and double exclamation mark made think you were taking the piss out of me.
Sorry :(

>>15479078
i-its okay. I've been up for nearly 24 hours so I'm a bit dreary at the moment.

>>15478754
You should have started with late Wolfe
BOTNS popularity is due to a snowball effect of memes, not because it is actually the best. And ti certainly isn't the most accessible.

>>15478689
Trump Derangement Syndrome is a horrible condition.

I can't believe you faggots are still talking about fantasy.

>>15479078
>>15479055
whats happening here?
are you gonna make out or what?

>>15479213
I'll take any dwarf loving boyfriend as long as he isn't shorter than me.

>>15478219
Dwarves are backstabbing greedy little shits. Trying to sell out my continent to the enemy?
Genocide can't come soon enough.

i don't like amazons new filing system. a lot of shit books that i believe don't even belong in the category is being listed under sff.

>>15479349
Alas we are awash in a sea of poo.

>>15479349
its supposed to be audible not amazon.

wtf we on page 10.
sffg is truly kill.
Press F

About to read this.

>>15480487
it's too hot to post

are there any "science fantasy" books worth checking out. or is that even a real genre. just a random question that i came up with

>>15480964
Yeah it's a real genre think star wars or really anything where the tech is so advanced it's just magic.
A Big Ship at the Edge of the Universe would be a recent example or if you want even more explicit fantasy something like psion or voidwitch where the protags are basically magical would be a good example.

cba to think up what the best books in the subgenre are rn tho

>>15480964
I've heard War of the Maps by Paul J. McAuley described as a fantasy adventure on the outside of a Dyson sphere around a white dwarf or something. I'm interested in reading it.

>>15481130
>A Big Ship at the Edge of the Universe
never heard of it but i'll check it out thanks.
read game of universe some time ago and it was decent fun and this seems a bit similar from the description

>>15481180
Read it. It's not really space fantasy.
Everything is on pretty solid footing, scientifically speaking. The issue is that when you go into Dyson spheres and AI's and all that other stuff your science can get awfully soggy.

So I picked up We Are Legion by Dennis Taylor. The novel sounded like a fun little distraction.
Boy was I wrong. A couple of chapters in and the author decides to go all basedboy on me.

"He settled himself more comfortably in his chair and assumed that far-off expression people get when they’re lecturing. “In 2036, the USA elected an over-the-top, unapologetic fundamentalist president named Andrew Handel. Yes, that Handel. During his term, he tried to ban election of non-Christians to any public post, and tried to remove the constitutional separation between church and state. He was nominated, supported, and elected based on his religious views, rather than on his political or fiscal expertise. And of course, he appointed persons of similar persuasion to every post he could manage, in some cases blatantly ignoring laws and procedures. He and his cronies rammed through far-right policies with no thought for consequences. In a number of cases, when challenged on the results, he declared that God would not allow their just cause to fail. He eventually brought the USA to its knees in an economic collapse that made the 2008 recession look like a picnic in the park.”
Dr. Landers tapped his tablet absent-mindedly. It was obvious to me that he knew the whole spiel by rote.
“In the next election, the public voted in the USA’s first—and only—overtly atheist president, Desmond Ahearn, mostly in reaction to the Handel travesty. Needless to say, the religious right went ballistic. In 2041, they staged a successful coup. And thus was born the Free American Independent Theocratic Hegemony.”"

This is beyond disrespectful.
Disrespectful to the art because anyone who gave a damn about the quality of his writing would not write current year topical garbage.
Disrespectful to the reader because who wants to read the current year topical garbage about the Orange Man and what a meanie he is (doubly so if the reader is non-American as I am).
Disrespectful to any faithful because the big bad is naturally a Christian theocracy (of course it could not have been a Jewish theocracy, perish the though).

I would have powered on but I learned my lesson with The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet.
What a joyless waste of time that was.

Name 3-5 best books of the last 20 years (fantasy or sci-fi) that you read, please.

>>15481332
it sucks but almost entirely not for the reasons you're mad at it lol

>>15481364
Don't lol. This is /lit, write like it.

>>15481356
It does not get better than this.

>>15473587
>>15473613
Blindsight also immediately came to mind, including the sequel Echopraxia.

Is there anything else that comes close to this /lit/? As bold and inhuman and well executed?

>>15481382
yuck, feminism

>>15473587
The short story Exhalation by Ted Chiang

Any good hard science fiction? Like the lives of everyday space ship captains?
I need something else after playing all this elite dangerous and x4.

>>15481512
I would also like to get some recommendations of this sort of thing. 'Pushing Ice' by Reynolds is the only thing which comes to mind.

>>15480964
Hyperion, Consider Phlebas

>>15481512
>Any good hard science fiction?
>Like the lives of everyday space ship captains?
Do you want hard science fiction? Or do you want action/adventure/space opera?

>>15481520
Thanks will check it out.
>>15481524
Give me a few of both?
I'm into both, kinda want to read as I go along. Looking to start a reading list.

>>15481374

>>15481536
Pushing Ice is more of a first contact novel fyi, but there's lots of nice detail about the life on a ship (energy conservation, manoeuvre calculations etc.)

>>15481536

>>15481601
Oh, those look nice cover wise.
>>15481565
Sounds interesting enough.

I do appreciate the leads. Sometimes I have no clue what to start reading.

>>15481601
Sounds somewhat interesting, but damn those seem way too long books for a trilogy

>>15474269
I've read it and if it's degenerate shit you want then read the Prince of Nothing series. The prologue of the very first book has a man raping a 6 year old boy. Doesn't get edgier than that.

>>15472955
Killer of men. Not fantasy, historical fiction but it’s spectacular

>>15480692
>hot
It's hurricane season

>>15480692
We're on page 9 now. I guess it's too cold to post?
Last bump.
RIP to SFFG: 2014 - 2020 (29th May)
It finally can rest.

>>15482934
Some people just can't enjoy anything.

So are The Books of Babel actually good?

>>15483065
first book at the very least is, even if you don't love it it is pretty unique

Give me ideas for potential reasons future space exploring humans would invade an alien planet with sentient being besides stealing/extracting resources. Preferably reasons that still lean on the selfish/greedy/"evil" side of humanity, not so much more justified motives like Earth being destroyed/no longer able to sustain life, etc.

>>15483161
Purging nonblievers

>>15483161
>Give me ideas for potential reasons future space exploring humans would invade an alien planet with sentient being besides stealing/extracting resources
Unless they are rilly, rilly evil there's not a lot of reasons for dropping down to the bottom of the gravity well, fighting off those pesky natives and then boosting said resources to space.
So what >>15483176 said.

>>15483176
>>15483183
How disappointing.

Okay so forget what I said about evil motives. Give me ideas for any reasons would want to invade an alien planet as long as its not overtly silly(ex: to rape alien babes)

>>15483215
Staging point for an ongoing Galactic war

>>15471834
It's crap.

>>15483065
The series isn't finished yet, and none of the works are standalone, so it's too early to say. But so far yeah, they're good.

Has anyone here read Wolfs Call? I am halfway, does Vaelin get his song back or not? If he doesn't then how can this be considered fantasy when mc has no magic.

>>15483606
>how can this be considered fantasy when mc has no magic
there's loads of fantasy with no magic or fantastical elements

>>15483628
>there's loads of fantasy with no fantastical elements
Such as? Name a single one.

>>15483161
They're aesthetically displeasing. This race of furry spider-cockroach people must be destroyed! How can they NOT be!?

>>15483690
The Lions of Al-Rassan

>>15483690
Traitor Baru Cormorant, no magic, not scifi and yet clearly a work of fantasy

>>15483710
>>15483705
I don't consider books set on other planets but otherwise are the same as historical fiction to be fantasy.

>>15483789
>>15483710
>>15483705
They are speculative fiction to be sure, but not fantasy.

>>15483789
believe it or not genre definitions don't give a shit what you think

>>15483810
Genre definitions are arbitrary.

>>15483813
No. Genres are defined by people agreeing to define something as a specific genre. If many people define something as the same it is the same no matter what you think.

>Come to /lit/ for help in determining the fine line between sci-fi and fantasy
>Both are confined to a single general
>People are already arguing about it
Now I’m afraid of setting of a shitposting bomb with a legit question.

>>15473564
I can think of two that happen in Hyperion. One is in the story with Kassad where hes fucking his dreamgirl and she slowly turns into the shrike and he has to pull out right before he cums so his dick doesn't get cut off. Second when Silenus sees from afar a couple fucking and the shrike burst through the body of the guy as the girl cums.

>>15484211
>the fine line between sci-fi and fantasy
Sci-fi is just fantastical science.
Fantasy is just fantastical anything.

>>15481332
Yea it was shit Wouldn’t read anything by this guy

>>15480964
CS Friedman black sun rising

>>15484351
Okay, but why about stories that have elements of both, or explain their magical aspects through science? The latter is what makes me feel that the two might bleed into each other on occasion. In both you can say that the settings have multiple worlds with unique races. If it’s in the past it’s in the past that counts as fantasy, but if it’s recent, modern, or futuristic then it’s science fiction. In fantasy you have portals while in sci-fi they’re wormholes, but they both do the same thing. In fantasy you could have different planes of existence, but if it’s in sci-fi then they’re dimensions. You could have gods or higher dimensional beings.

There’s too many things that could be easily categorized into both genres, and it’s difficult to say what’s what without having to rely on what millennium it is.

I like PKD's definition of sci-fi/fantasy.

>>15471560
I gave Pannobhasa Bhikkhu TBotNS, and this the result...
https://politicallyincorrectdharma.blogspot.com/2020/05/baldanders-symbolic-character-study.html

https://politicallyincorrectdharma.blogspot.com/2020/05/baldanders-symbolic-character-study.html

>>15484351
Define science? Robots and spaceships? Are you sure fantasy can't have those?

Why do people use marketing buzzwords as something actually defined.

>>15484730
>science is a marketing buzzword
Buzzword is a buzzword

>>15472018
Fuck growing, I'm here for maybe another 30 years if I'm lucky and the last of them are gonna be awful and then I'm just gonna cease existing. I'm in this shit to enjoy myself, fuck you and all of human society. Let's get wasted and talk about cool shit.

>>15484927
I mean the labels like science fantasy, hard science, military sci fi, high fantasy, etc.
There've been science fiction works that looked like fairy tales and there've been fantasy that were as detailed in their worldbuilding and setting as any of the sci books that are considered `hard`.

>>15483161
A prosperous society must expand or die and for it to expand it needs somewhere to expand into. Evil and greed don't enter into it. Try and tell the public that they either have to stop fucking or agree to some mass sterilization or everyone's gonna starve and see how they react.

>>15481332
Why don't you neck yourself pol? And you wonder why no one likes you bible thumpers. Did you see the year it was published faggot? Go get your son buggered by a priest.

anyone got pdf for Farsight: Empire of Lies?

Don't forget magic pepe the frog on 1st June?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B088T78QJJ/

>>15481332
Based. Dropped this halfway, pure garbage written by an NPC with moral values and personality which only burgers can find agreeable - I bet he hasn't read a single serious philosophical treatise and yet feels superior to all the old ones, due to naive belief that current democratic, highly liberal, capitalist culture is somehow desirable. Disgusting, weak retard, and a cringy writer.

>>15485126
Literally end your pointless existence, ameritard. No one cares about your false dichotomies. Being a tranny and being a /pol/ redneck are not the only ways to live your life. I know expanding your vocabulary beyond two labels is challenging for you, brainlets, but at least clutter other boards with your nonsense.
I hate religion, I hate Trump, I hate /pol/, I hate conservatives, and yet I find myself largely agreeing with what that anon said. You know why? Because, unlike you I haven't been brainwashed into identifying as one of two arbitrary groups to whose ideals I must conform.
I can recognize bad writing, oversimplified portrayals of people and institutions, and intellectual dishonesty, even if the movements which are being critiqued I myself find distasteful.

>Daniel I hate to write this because I really do like some of your books. It has gotten to the point that your God (not god) bashing is turning me off to reading your stuff. If you hate God that much would you please keep it to yourself instead of going out of your way to reflect your disdain for Him in your writing. I honestly understand if someone does not believe in Him. Many of my favorite authors just say that the MC is atheist and I am fine with that. But some of the stuff you write is very offensive to me because I am a believer. So could you please tone whatever your beef is with God down so I can just enjoy your books? I am not trying to start a religious debate here, I am just hoping to ask for a slight change in your writing so that believers can fully enjoy your books too. Thanks for listening and good luck.
Kek. Can you imagine these fake christcucks(just like the invaders on lit). He is asking a harem author who is writing about fornication, gambling, murder, drug abuse, bdsm, and a bunch of other shit no good "Christian" should be participating in. Yet what he complains about, and expects to be pandered to (like rebbit trash) is that the author change the character's outlook on a shitty life because he as a reader isn't comfortable.

>>15485316
He’s right though. Daniel Schinhofteon writes the same cringey god hating, e-dom, Shakespeare quoting armchair psychologist in every one of his books. It’s a valid criticism.

Arand does the same thing too, and it’s sad that they don’t try and branch out more. Did enjoy arand calling chinks bug people straight up in his latest wuxia book though.

>>15485295
Who are you calling a americlap, faggot? Who are you calling pol, faggot? Where does your outerlit philoso-christcuck ass get off talking about "serious philosophical treaties" in the fucking fantasy and sci-fi general, faggot?
Fucking neck yourself. You are part of the invading scum that helped kill sffg, faggot. Everyone else was fed up of you and you ilk's bullshit.

>>15485323
>It’s a valid criticism
I'm looking how the reviewer is a theological hypocrite who expects people to cater to him. If he don't like it, stop reading. What reality am I living in that it's okay that a "Christian" don't like how someone talks about their god in a fornicating smut book, and them asking the author to tone down the things I don't like, and willingly read is acceptable? It's not required school reading.

>>15485330
Hugo tranny spotted and filtered.

>>15485352
>when someone has nothing to say other than call you a tranny
Kek

>>15485384
>screeching about how science fiction can't have literary or philosophical depth, despite literally starting as a vehicle for philosophical ideas
>crying about /sffg/ dying
>always posting during the same hours
>constantly repeating the word "neck"
Yeah, I am sure there are multiple of you.

>>15485405
Seek help

>>15485126
>>15485316
>>15485330
I just didn't like the book. Why are you having a meltdown about me not liking some topical liberal garbage?
And why does religion make you foam at the mouth? Or is it just Christianity?
Labels aside, but you do act like a stereotype.

god there's nothing fucking worse than an american who converted to catholicism because 4chan told them to

>>15485405
>screeching about how science fiction can't have do what it likes, despite literally starting as a vehicle for doing wtf it wanted
>crying about hugos dying
>always posting during the same hours
>constantly repeating the word "tranny"
Yeah, I am sure there are multiple of you.

>>15485424
>>15481332
You like pol garbage though, there was no "orange man" in the novels, and where did the jews come from? Just go back to pol. You've clearly been too brainwashed by info-charts to be saved.

>>15481332 are you the same faggot who wrote this >>15485316 review in Amazon, JC?

>>15483215
To quote Heinline:
"If you can get your ship into orbit, you're halfway to anywhere."
He said that on account of just how much energy is needed to achieve escape velocity from any kind of planetary body.
Why invade Earth for it's water or resources (like in Battle For LA) when you can coast to Europa, with far lower escape velocity, where water is in direct contact with vacuum of space? That goes for pretty much any element in the periodic table. Why Earth (or any planetary body) when there is a whole planetary system full of easier pickings? Doubly so if there are pesky natives down there.
Any space fairing race, culture or organization has that energy at their disposal, don't get me wrong, but it's so much more inefficient.
So you either have some sort of unobtanium, only found on said planetary body or your reasons are purely personal or societal.
Those reasons can range from wanting to fuck alien chicks on one end of the spectrum to wanting to purge the alien filth on the other.

>>15485522
Fuck nigga calm down, you crazy.
For all the shit you give to "Bible-thumpers" you are somehow acting even worse. Are you going to scream for beheadings next for insulting your sensibilities?
And why are you defending that hot garbage in such an aggressive, belligerent way?

>>15471560
Is this shit actually good or just shilled meme?

>>15485625
Yeah it's okay. Fun read. Does not have a lot in common with the TV show though.

>>15485522
New to this thread and dude don't even try to defend that blurb, that is fucking fan-fic level angsty teenager writing. The guy is literally making up a perfect devil strawman of everything he hates in real life to beat up in his fantasy universe and from a pure world building stand point its completely un-believable.
im leftist btw

>>15485625
it's great, especially if you love the theme of digital immortality and would like to see some implications of it explored

>>15481410
Blindsight is utter shit. Read some Greg Bear, it's actually good and it seems like your mind is very easy to blow.

>>15483176
>Purging nonblievers

This a good all purpose motive. There is very little difference between 'purging heretics' and 'bringing democracy' from the point of view of those being bombed. Any social system that is different enough to generate disgust is a source of conflict.

>>15486266
Scratch that, what I meant was Greg Egan. Things like Quarantine and Permutation City.

RIP

>>15486443

>>15486229
>I'm this thing that I think would give my post more weight btw
I don't care which side you stand. You read the blurb, not the books, stfu. Your opinion, disregarded.

>>15486443
>>15486450
>tree books when digital is free

>>15486468
So the author somehow magically grows up and abandons "fan-fic level angsty teenager writing" as that anon said?
Is that what you are saying?

>>15486490
>I read the blurb of a book so I read the book
You posers really shit up this general with your non-reading discussion.

>>15486512
Trying to get an answer from you is like trying to nail shit to a wall.
Does the "fan-fic level angsty teenager writing" gets better? Yes or no plase.
Given your emotional attachment I presume you have read the work in question.

>>15486490
>>15486512
Nobody cares who gets the last word beyond the two of you. Both of you children should be crucified so you stop infesting the thread with your petty petulant squabbles.
KILL YOURSELVES NEWFAGS
SINCERELY

>>15486527
Well now you have the last word... faggot.

>>15486527
Cosmerefag, I never told you to kill yourself after all that chinkposting, revelation space posting, and choice of magic posting. How can you call me a newfag? Is being locked up getting to you? Or the impatience of waiting till year's end for the next stormlight book?

>>15486659
>shilling choice of magic
Not Cosmerefag, at least not recently.

May is done.
What have you read for the month?

started reading prince of nothing. why is everyone crying all the time? why is there so much unrequited gay lust? why does achamian frequently think about how attracted he is to young boyish features?

>>15487117

>>15487117
Akka did literally nothing wrong.

>>15487117
If you read a textbook about ancient history, you shall find the answers you seek.

Other than Lovecraft and Howard who I am already familiar with, who are some essential /sffg/ short fiction authors and/or anthologies?

>>15487775
Ted Chiang

>>15487775
If you like Lovecraft (on a philosophical level) try Thomas Ligotti.

Any other examples of dark/fantasy and western hybrids?

>>15488126
>dark/fantasy and western hybrids
its a genre all on its own called "weird west".
try googling it youll find loads. most of the stuff is pretty good.

>>15481374
lol

Currently started reading Book of the Long Sun and I enjoy it so far. I've been a lifelong atheist, but I have always loved religious themes in books and games.

Currently reading pic related. It's surprisingly better than what I expected. The whole thing is imbued with a naive and quaint tone, like a Charles Dickens novel, which is probably the best thing about it because it rarely crosses into YA domain. Some scenes are pretty are very carefully constructed, like you read about people getting branded with a hot iron and hardly pay notice to it, and when it actually happens it's very efficiently written as "pressed the iron and counted "One... (cuts to next scene)".
I'm around the middle part and I'm guessing the female protagonist is going to turn into quite a Mary Sue but I hope it's not too stupid.

Even though it had a Mark Lawrence glowing review (not a particularly good sign), it's been a pretty fun read so far. Thanks to the anon who recommended it.

>>15488403
The pic is missing.

>>15488403
Forgot pic.

>>15488126
"Buffy meets Deadwood in a dark, wildly imaginative historical fantasy".
I am gonna read it.

>>15483161
The way there was filled with hardship and they now lack the resources to return home even if they want. Disillusioned by the tragedy they faced in their journey, they subjugate the locals simply to regain a feeling of control.

Should I read Black Company in release order or chronological order? Checking the order on wikipedia has the second book released in 2018 and the third in 1984.

>>15488403
>female protagonist
Stopped reading there.

>>15488126
Shill me on that book. Although seeing Felicia Dey on the cover makes me weary..

>>15488587
You always read books in publication order. How new are you to reading?

>>15488610
The main character is a school teacher, the story centers around him. The female is his wife.
>>15488587
There was a gap of some years in the story between the first 2 books. I read them in chronological order before that book was out and didn't matter.

>>15486443
>>15486450
Maybe they should vote for a different gay Jew mayor lol

>>15488403
I've read them all and I did not get any Mary Sue female character vibes. Also it seems to me that everyone besides Senlin, especially in the first book, is a side character, so I don't really understand where you got "female protagonist" from. Do you mean the wife who doesn't get any immediate pagetime, or the woman who got branded?
>>15488587
I read, and recommend, publication order.

>>15488723
Yeah, it's the wife.
I made the mistake of calling her a protagonist, but she's more of a major character I guess. So far she's giving me some Mary Sue'ish vibes, given it's a third person narrator and the woman is pretty, smart, knows music, incredibly patient with her cold husband, makes people fall for her, etc. She hasn't had much pagetime yet, which is why I mentioned it being a guess.

>>15488757
She won't get much for a while, and the praise is coming in part because of the adoring point of view of the husband. She won't win everyone over and solve all problems with no Mary Sue deus ex machina.

>>15488610
kys

>>15481332
kys

Greg Egan is cool.

>>15488796
>>15488811
Oh no the Hugo tranny is back.

/sffg/, I'm writing a setting where your magic comes from your interests and I'm trying to figure out which interests would give a charismatic, flashy narcissist weather manipulation powers

>>15488846
"The Greek god Aeolus was considered king of the winds. Since the winds were conceived of as horse-shaped spirits, Aeolus was titled Hippotades, "the reiner of horses," from the Greek hippos ("horse") and taden ("reined in tightly")."
Horsemanship nigga.

>>15481439
yuck, misogyny

>>15488846
>charismatic, flashy narcissist
Is this urban fantasy? There are usually no such characters in medieval times just because of reasons.

>>15488921
Look out the patriarchy is coming for you.

>>15488995
You should really steer clear of words with more than two syllables. You don't know how to use them well, regardless of facetious or not you're attempting to be.

>>15477355
I have Dune and Messiah, when I finally read them I'll do it back to back. Messiah is short and feels like an epilogue, from what I've read.

>>15487040
Trying to finish Dracula, I've also listened to some weird tales short stories. What about you anon

All hail judge dredd.

>>15486283
>>15486266
Thank goodness you corrected that. Greg Egan is playful and thought provoking, Greg Bear is bland as fuck. Are you the guy who was looking for quantum stuff a few weeks back?

Any GRI released in 2020.

Where were you when sffg died?

>>15489765
it dies weekly but still comes back.
a never ending cycle of death and rebirth that no one can stop or interfere in.
quite the conundrum.

>>15488945
that might be the stupidest thing I've heard on this site so far, and this site has almost nothing but retards

>>15489804
he means the trump personality.
it ticks all the boxes.

Is there some sort of resource that breaks down or at least lists the recurring main objective(quest?) templates present in scifi and fantasy stories that provide the "excuse" to get the characters in motion and the story running?

I mean things like, "rescue someone", "escape the invaders", "survive the catastrophe", "acquire the mcguffin", "search for info to solve the mystery", "return home", "destroy the monster"... And I don't mean this in the D&D/video gamey sense, I'm trying to look at this from a real storyline angle. Even the Lord of the Rings boils down to an "escort the mcguffin to destination X" quest.

>>15489979
>Even the Lord of the Rings boils down to an "escort the mcguffin to destination X" quest.
Don't leave your day job anon. And maybe get meds for whatever brand of autism you have.

Is Daniel Black a 4X novel?
eXplore, eXploit, eXpand, eXterminate?

>>15490030
Huh, what are you trying to say?

>page 7

>>15489979
>Is there some sort of resource

Yeah, there are things called "Books". You can find them online or in libraries. Anyways each book has one of these "excuses", and sometimes more. Check them out and let me know what you think.

>>15485625
It's not as smart as it thinks it is and the opening chapter is one of the worst i've seen in an otherwise decent book

worth a read

>>15463585
Just finished Library at Mount Char, and it's really bad. This is a first for me. So far, if there was a book I didn't like, I chalked it up to different taste. Or I was merely bored, or didn't like a character or something. But this is the first book I've read that is BAD. I'll give it some credit, the broad ideas are interesting. I like thinking of new and interesting ideas, which is mostly why I stuck with it. Plus, it was so bad, that it became kind of funny in an absurd way. And not funny in the way it was intended. There was also the thought that kept coming back to me "how can anyone recommend this crap?". I was so perplexed by that idea, that I kept going out of curiosity. Trying to see what this other anon sees in it. Maybe it was all the strangeness that the anon enjoyed.

Well, I don't know if I can go into deep detail about the book, or if even anyone cares to read my opinions. However, About a third into the book, I became taking notes. Just things that stuck out as bad, or odd, or stupid. All the glaring product placement, all the glaring cultural reference, all the glaring author name drops. I suspect he name dropped so many female authors, in order to distract from his use of gratuitous rape as character motivation. And other stuff that rubbed me the wrong way. The notes are quite spoilerific, so read at your own discretion: https://pastebin.com/TsjnEgzM

btw, this is a HUGE negative example, in my growing list of male authors failing at writing female protagonists.

>>15490030
>>15490672
I didnt expect /lit/ to be this cuntish. Thanks for nothing.

>>15490825
If you're going to call a book bad at least offer some solid reasons

>>15489979
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots#Precursors

>>15491047
Well shit, where do I even begin?
First of all, I was shocked to learn that the author is(or was?) a computer programmer. Because the book reads like it was written by an out of touch boomer. But I guess programmers can lose touch too. Like for example in my notes I quoted "Don't you watch the internet?" Because who would say that? I forget the exact context, but I think it was in reference to a friendly lion meme or something. I'm not sure if he was referencing a real event or not. Because he drops so many real references, that it's very possible it was real.

But then he will have these odd absences in knowledge. Which is quy I quoted "King Kong fought the big dinosaur". Because he's OBVIOUSLY talking about Godzilla. But for some fucking reason, he doesn't want to say Godzilla. You could argue that the character doesn't know Godzilla, but that's super unlikely, since Godzilla is such a massively popular icon. So it begs the question: Why did he not reference Godzilla directly? Is he only allowed to name drop certain products?

I got the feeling that he was sponsored to include many products. Because it was super glaring at how specific he would get, and how much attention he gave them. Like he doesn't just mention listerine. He dedicates some real time of a character learning what mouthwash is, and thanking another character for getting the bad taste out of her mouth. It reads almost like a commercial script.

And back to the random absences of knowledge, there was another part where he lists three products. Two by brand name, and 1 generic. I forget exactly, but I think it was "Everclear, Marlboros, and Popcorn". Like, why doesn't he have a brand name prepared for popcorn? Is it because he doesn't have a brand deal with a popcorn company? What the hell is going on? Or maybe he's just genuinely inconsistent in that respect. Which, imo, is pretty sloppy.

>>15491047
Everything is a spoiler so I spoiler tagged everything.
The library is never fully visually detailed until near the end of the book. So despite spending so much time in it throughout the book, it's hard to visualize. And I don't remember a single description of Father. So he's completely ambiguous. In the beginning he almost seems like a shadow monster. But then later he's described as doing things that humans do. But we don't really get a good description of him, other than the fact that he's vaguely middle aged.(Which is only disclosed near the end of the book) I suppose he's some kind of asian, because they described his language as sounding vaguely from that region. I guess he's supposed to be enigmatic, but I just found this annoying.

Generally speaking, the whole book read like it being made up as the author wrote. Like he really didn't know where it was going, and just kind of figured it out as the words were being written. But IDK, maybe he did have it outlined before hand. It didn't feel outlined though, because he did things that felt a little too spontaneous.
Like for example: he only conceived of about half of the Librarians. The other half were just decoration. I'm not even sure he named 12 of them. I remember counting in the beginning, and being confused at coming up short. I think he only named like 10 of them.

So then later in the book, he kills off all but 4 of them. It kind of makes sense why he didn't spend too much time developing the characters he didn't need. But I suspect he was actually wanting to use all of them, and then realized he couldn't handle all of those characters, and just killed them off to trim the story down to a manageable size.

There are other things like that. Like Steve being Carolyn's heart coal in the end. It felt like he switched the Fawns for Steve. The Fawns were supposed to be her heart coal. But then later, the author has a lot of fun writing Steve's lion and dog adventure, and suddenly Steve is one of the main characters.

Remember Nobununga wanted the heart of an innocent at the beginning of the story? I suspect that was originally only Steve's purpose. Carolyn was merely murdering him for his heart. But then as the book carried on, Steve's role grew and grew, until he became Carolyn's heart coal. Replacing the stupdily hamfisted story about the fawns.

>>15491047
Here's what I really hate: plots where the outcome is already predetermined by some ultimate will, forcing events to happen. And this book does it not once, but TWICE,
When I first started the book, I was wary this might be the case, because of Father's god-like abilities. I wa thinking something along the lines of "aw shit, he's going to control everything". But then about halfway through the book, it becomes clear that Carolyn is controlling everything. And I thought that wasn't so bad, because she wasn't a god, she was just super skilled. But even so, it was lame, because it rendered all of these character's motivations completely moot. And it was really laughable how complex the plan was. Not only that, but there were so many inconsistencies to Carolyn's plan, that the butterfly effect should have surely ruined it years ago. So many interactions surprised her, that she surely couldn't have rehearsed it all. Yet somehow it all worked out exactly how she wanted it too. Save for David being off by about 2 degrees when he was shot.

So then in the end, all of Carolyn's motivations are rendered moot, as it turns out, Father orchestrated it all. Thus confirming my fears from the beginning. That's so fucking lame. But by the time I reached that point in the book, I was already in disbelieving hysterics. Everything was just too absurd, and I couldn't take the book seriously in the slightest.

I could mention all the edgy stuff, but I feel like it's all self apparent. The book just throws in edgy shit for mere shock value.

ZOMG CHILD IS RAPED BY BULLIES
ZOMG CHILDREN ARE KILLED IN THEIR CRIBS, BECOMING GHOSTS
ZOMG DAVID POUR BLOOD IN HIS HAIR, UNTIL IT BECOMES A HARDENED SHELL CAPABLE OF STOPPING BULLETS
ZOMG DAVID AND MARGARET FUCK SO HARD THAT THEY TEAR EACH OTHER'S LIMBS OFF AND KILL EACH OTHER IN THE ACT
ZOMG MORE REAP
ZOMG BURNING CHILDREN ALIVE
ZOMG A CHILD IS SO SCARED, THEY PEE THEMSELVES, IT'S SO PUNGENT
ZOMG DEAD DOG CARCASS ON THE TAILPIPE. NOT THE DOGERINOS!

And so forth and so on.

how's your day going /sffg/?

I completely scrapped a villain and rebuilt him as someone more interesting but he's such a creep I'm legitimately afraid to show any scene featuring him to my writing group

>>15491137
>complaining about inconsistency in brands
Man, imagine being this autistic. Maybe Ready Player One is more your thing.
Yes, the title is "Library at Mount Char". Yes, the main figure in said library is "Father". Yes, he's supposed to be enigmatic, same as the library. Subverted expectations I guess.

The book is certainly not a masterpiece and it shows some amateurish anime/YA tier stuff, but it was fun. I read it in a couple of days.

>>15491382
I'm not autistic, it's just glaring when the author decides to put in name brands in the first place. At first I tried to rationalize it as trying to distinguish between American culture and the Library. But like I said, the way the brands were handled felt forced, like a product placement. Or if not that, then just plain sloppy at how overt some brands are in some cases, and how lacking they are in other cases.

>Yes, he's supposed to be enigmatic, same as the library. Subverted expectations I guess.
What expectations though? He was just a man that did man things. That was shown to be the case very early on, and it remained so throughout the book. It was just pointless vagueness. An empty mystery.

Oh yeah, and another thing that kept bugging me, is how he kept making a big deal about David wearing a tutu, like it's oh so hilarious. And then reminding us that he's a violent rapist every two seconds. Like, am I supposed to find this guy funny or scary? It just came across as very distasteful.

>>15489316
No, I'm not that guy. Greg Bear might not be gripping, but the evolutionary mechanism he invented in Darwin's Radio was later discovered to exist. That's hard science fiction at its best.

>>15491515
Most of the brands you listed are perfectly recognizable, even by foreigners, since they are products made by multinational corporations exported worldwide.
This "name dropping" thing is virtually a non issue. How consistent it might be is even less of an issue.
I imagine it's a fake "standard" some very casual readers have about literature or something, as if inserting brand names cheapened the book. Point is, it's not even a new phenomenon. There are mid century literary fiction novels that name bar and restaurant names, theatre names, tabacco brands, clothing brands, etc.. It's more frequent in contemporary lit though. Even Houellebecq, DeLillo and many others do it.

What expectations you ask? Imagine buying a book titled "HARRY POTTER" but it's actually about centered around Voldemort. Titles force the first of expectations. "It's going to be about a Library so it must be full of descriptions of the building and the everyday life of the place".

My first time making a thread.
>>15491674
>>15491674
>>15491674

>autismo brand hugger btfo

>>15491660
>Most of the brands you listed are perfectly recognizable, even by foreigners, since they are products made by multinational corporations exported worldwide.
"Listerine" is known worldwide? "Palmolive"? "Monsieur Taco"? Monsieur Taco doesn't even have its own website. He was literally just referencing a small local taco joint. Everclear? Marlboros? They're all worldwide brands?
Hell, many companies with a global reach will change their name from region to region. So even if they did sell to other regions, it's not necessarily the same name there.
And then you have people like Anderson Cooper and Wolf Blitzer, who are just talking heads. Every region has their own talking head, reciting the same scripted news.

Like I said, maybe I would be able to overlook all of that, if many of the brand name drops weren't treated like a small commercial. Like, did we really need a scene where Carolyn teaches Jennifer how to rinse her mouth out with Listerine properly? It's not even consistent with the internal logic of the story, because Carolyn and Jennifer were around the same age when they were adopted. So why does Carolyn know about mouth rinse, and not Jennifer? Keep in mind, Carolyn was considered the mousie one who never got out. While Jennifer was more of the extrovert who tried to pull Carolyn out to hang.

And also like I said before, it was very inconsistent. Like how a character can know King Kong, but not know Godzilla. That makes no fucking sense, and you know it.

>as if inserting brand names cheapened the book
I wouldn't say it cheapened the book, but it pulled me out of the experience, as I'm trying to understand the rules of the universe having connections to the real world. And then having to come out of the experience again and again in order to arrange the constant inconsistencies throughout that the existence of these real products creates.

>Point is, it's not even a new phenomenon
So? Old thing = good? Sorry, I don't really give a fuck about how long something has been going. What I've read today was a bad application of name brands. And no amount of tradition will change that.

>Titles force the first of expectations.
I didn't necessarily need an extensive description of the library early on. But just enough to visualize the scenes in my head. They WERE in the library a lot in the early part of the book after all. There was no reason to omit the details that were provided later in the book. Unless of course, the author was just making up stuff as he went.

But alright, let's entertain for a moment that the vague descriptions of the library and Father subverted the expectations established by the title:
1. Father isn't in the title.
And 2. THAT'S BAD USE OF SUBVERSION. How does it benefit the narrative in any way to omit details about these characters? There was no pay-off. There was no grand mystery. There was no suspense. There was nothing worth withholding.

>>15473676
Perhaps check out Michael Moorcock’s Corum series, I really enjoyed it

>>15491779
>"Listerine" is known worldwide? "Palmolive"?
> Everclear? Marlboros
Yes.

Cooper and Blitzer are international talking heads you fucking autist. Do you know how many countries back in the day played cnn news? Or shops had it playing in the background?
You Americans always feel like you alone know shit.

>>15492013
>You Americans
Oh fuck off. If I assumed that Cooper and Blitzer were known world wide, and I had been wrong, then you would complain about "you americans always feel like you own everything".
Fuck off with your inferiority complex. You always assume the worst about Americans. And here I am thinking I'm being understanding by assuming other countries have their own speakers.

Sorry I didn't know that CNN puts the same fucking jokers on everyone's screens.

And another thing: I've had conversations with non-americans, getting all belligerent, because of brand differences in their region. Them saying things like "You Americans think your brand is the only brand. Well haven't you ever considered OUR brand is the real brand?" Yadda yadda.

>>15492025
That book is 5 years old. If you were underage b& you would know that wolf and cooper are international known.

>>15492040
I don't follow CNN or any news outlets for that matter. Why would I know this? To me, it makes more sense that CNN would put an Irish speak in Ireland. A Polish speaker in Poland. A french speaker in France. Etc, etc. Why would Cooper and Blitzer be on everyone's TVs? I mean, I know English is a widely learned language. But still, getting your news from the Americans? One single source with that much reach? That's insane.

>>15478219
dwarves are stupid. read Memory Sorrow and Thorn, is has gnomes in it

>>15481512
maybe Hospital Station by James White

>>15488403
last third of the book is embarrassingly bad, it broke my heart

>>15489803
yeah the problem is people seem to not be able to get used to it and accept it, i don't know if it's newfags or trolls. stop beating the dead horse, it only makes things worse