/lit/ - Literature

>>15536882

>>15536905
I regret not punching Terry Pratchett in the face when I had the chance.

sanderfag a hack

>that book series that goes out of its way to bully you into learning about its history and culture and yet not a line sticks
What's its name /sffg/? For me it's the lightbringer series

What's the closest published equivalent to a western xianxia? Specifically including a sociopathic mass murderer MC with an autistic drive for power

>>15537017
What is wrong with you people? Why are you so obsessed with this garbage?

>>15537017
But westerners are good guys and don't do evil stuff like that.

No honestly I can't think of anything other than maybe Blood Song. MC is not sociopath, he just gets involved in various wars and conflicts quite often and a lot pf people die in the process.

>>15537052
>But westerners are good guys and don't do evil stuff like that.
Gimme books where the Nazis are the good guys.

>>15537271

>>15536882
Another lost opportunity.

>>15537352
>Hitler's War is a biographical book by David Irving. It describes the Second World War from the point of view of Nazi Germany’s leader Adolf Hitler.
Why would you waste your time reading about some losers life?

>>15537372
It's a popular enough trend that there are more Napoleon biographies than stars in the night sky

>>15537376
While that might be so I would still stick to the biographies of winners on account of them, you know, actually winning. There just might be something to learn from their experience.
Take general Curtis LeMay for example.

>>15537391
I guess it's about heroism and one mans desire and drive going against all odds for the higher purposes like betterment of humanity. In that regard Hitler was a better man than any other in the last 1000 years.

>>15537429
I will never understand the level of dick sucking you losers so proudly display.

>15 posts in
>MUH HITLER
Nazis aren't allowed in our generals.

>>15537461
>Nazis aren't allowed in our generals.
Why?

>>15537461
What about space nazis?

>>15536882
>Discord https://discord.gg/KWPCM7m
Stop linking to this. Aeos, the owner of this discord, is a pedophile and there have been rumors of him hosting illegal content in here. You're going to get people's accounts deleted by inviting them to this place.

>>15537484
Is there a single discord server anywhere that isn't run by some kind of groomer?

>>15537490
Several, but definitely not that one. Fuck pedophiles, stop supporting him.

>>15537484
>https://discord.gg/KWPCM7m
Dune readalong starting on the 7th (tomorrow) in #dune. 2 weeks to read 600 pages.

>>15537501
ok kidfucker

>>15537484
I told you last time, back up your claims with proof, rumors is not proof.

>>15537519
this guy is a writer and this is the best he can come up with

>>15537519
Are you trying to get me to post illegal content? That's pretty disgusting, pedophile apologist.

>>15537529
No. Do not post illegal content that you currently have stored on some kind of electronic device that you own.

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck discord
Fuck dark elves

>>15537710
>Fuck dank elves
Any elves for that matter.

Is Elric / Moorcock / Eternal Champion good? Where do I start? How does it compare to Conan?

>>15537710
>Fuck dark elves
NO U

>>15538026
>fat Mexican dark elf
That's disgusting.

>>15538044
poor misguided soul

>>15538052
Go away mutt.

>>15538060
More for me then XD

>>15538066
>XD

I knew it would be bad, but it was worse than I expected.

Fuck that choice of magic shill. This cunt let an enemy live after beating the shit out of him. He even covered him with a cloak. I can't take this western morality about letting someone live that wants to kill you.
D R O P P E D

>>15538293
who?

>>15538293
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>>15536882
Any scifi/fantasy books on madness I can look into?

>>15538364
>go?away?bugman
I'm actually western. But I can't stand letting someone go after they tried to kill you, they will try again.

>>15538293
Is there incest? I remember the shill talking about fucking his mom or sister or some shit.

>>15538372
Valis seems perfect for you.

>>15538436
Who are you talking about? The king? It was explained why he let him live.

>>15538451
His great great great great great great great great great grandmothers daughter, not sure it counts as incest anymore when fucking third cousin is normally allowed.

>>15538372
There's an interesting madman in Shades of Grey by Jasper Fforde.

>>15538372
Anathem, maybe. They do so much maths that they have to be mad. They are at least autistic

>>15538474
>Who are you talking about
The protagonist. It's only one pov in the novel. The goddamn cat's new master.

>>15538524
But who is the other person, the one who tried to kill him?

>>15538436
>But I can't stand letting someone go after they tried to kill you, they will try again.
Fuck! Someone who understands. It's why I read chinkshit. They may be batshit crazy and take shit too far, but at least they don't let people walk over them, and come back later to kill a family member before you finally kill them. It's why I don't read publishing house shit. They are so stuffed with normie morals about forgiving your rapist, torturer, kidnapper. If you violate me, you will be violated in return.

>>15538474
>His great great great great great great great great great grandmothers
Does he fuck his granny? I can't even tell you how hard I was reading book of the new sun.

>>15534642
>no it wasn't
Yes it was. The ODSTs from Halo are also clearly inspired by Starship Troopers.

>>15538549
Some nobody soldier. My point is that guy will now have his description (a long scar on face) and they hate (he killed his friend) to make sure his army targets him.

>map
Strike one
>prologue
Strike two
>first chapter is DUDE WEED LMAO
And dropped.

>>15537017
birth of the demonic sword and or supreme magus.
also I'm writing one as we speak but it will be six months before its ready.

There are more non internet novels but I lost the chart that had western novels with sects and chinese magic in them.

>>15538631
Delete that photo before I do it for you :3

>>15538629
This book screams english teacher who finally got his trilogy published.

>>15538699
delete this *grabs dick

>>15538617
no, he doesn't fuck her or her daughter (his aunt).

There is very little romance in book 1 and 2, that's why they are so good, mc is focused on other things, like magic, fighting and just surviving.

>>15538617
That's not how it works. If remember correctly they were just couple of regular soldiers, no one is gonna go out of their way to find a specific person to avenge someone else killed in a war.

>>15537547
Nice try douchebag, but I don't store or look at illegal content. Unlike your friend. I am disgusted by this shit, which is why I'm trying to make sure he doesn't get promoted. Fuck you.

>>15538740
>no, he doesn't fuck her or her daughter (his aunt).
>There is very little romance in book 1 and 2, that's why they are so good, mc is focused on other things, like magic, fighting and just surviving
Wrong person you (you)'d, also fucking isn't romance

>>15538755
You are worse than him because you're spamming shit that doesn't pertain to the general over and over.
Look at my pedo chart, faggot.

>>15538603
see >>15538740

>>15538812
There is none of that either, and it's a good thing.

>>15538740
>no, he doesn't fuck her or her daughter (his aunt).
>There is very little romance in book 1 and 2
>>15538895
>There is none of that either, and it's a good thing
Then how am I supposed to coom?

>>15538907
Try stimulating your rectum.

>>15538852
If it doesn't pertain to the general why is it in the OP?

>>15538852
add pic related to your chart

>>15538969
Because illegals put it there. 4chan doesn't use discord. We are anonymous for a reason. Why would we put ourselves under the power of someone who isn't moot? They can ban and delete us if they don't like us.

>>15536681
The concept of memes complete with the name was described back in 1978. Writing about it in 2000 was hardly prescient.

>>15538293
But if you kill your enemies they win.

>>15539199
Of course your enemies would say that. They don't want you to kill them.

>>15538986
>implying /lit/ jannies are any better

>>15539456
Being morally superior is far more important than defeating your enemies.

>>15539525
>Being morally superior is far more important than defeating your enemies
>implying being morally superior will make me sleep better at night
He does have a baby face. He also looks like the dude that fucks all the hot trannies. Christian or w/e

>>15539160
The original and modern definition of memes are entirely different.

>>15536882
Can anyone give me recommendations on the different volumes of the Hugo winners anthologies that asimov edited?
There's several different volumes and i want to get one with good stories. Work eats up alotta time which means I have very little time read which makes reading novels a slog.

>>15538014
wow that's shit imitation of the frazetta style

>>15538014
Elric is kino, don't know about any of the other champions.
>Where do I start?
If you're a buyfag you probably have to buy the reprints that start with "Elric: Stealer of Souls" and ends with "Elric: Swords and Roses," but if you aren't a buyfag you can read the original collections that begin with "Elric of Melnibone" and ends with "Stormbringer."

After that there's two books and then a trilogy, but I have no idea if they're good or not.

>>15539644
Just read magazine, collections, and anthologies. Short fiction in general then.

>>15536905
Discworld worth a read?

>>15540444
Yes

>>15540444
Of course.

>>15538293

Wish he still fucked his aunt. His other book has a main protag literally raping everyone in the village.

reposting cuz I didn't really get a response last time
Finished and enjoyed the black company series
What to read next?
i especially liked the romance

we bumpin' nigga

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>>15542183
Truly you are dedicated to your hate of E William Brown

>>15536882
>tfw no gang of cool child nazis to go exploring with
why even live

>Heyo!
>News and things.
>Remnant 3 is done and with the editor.
>It'll get bumped out in July. Likely the 7th.
>Swing Shift 3 is currently in production.
>That's all I got.
He has an editor?

>>15542183
>>15537710
https://www.subscribestar.com/william-s-corner
You mad? I subscribed because of you.

>>15537461
shut up kike

Reading recluce and it's very alright so far but goddamn you can tell certain authors read this and just copied wholesale from it.

Looked through Notes from the Internet Apocalypse.
I'm on a streak of not wanting to read what I thought looked interesting and wondering why I ever thought it initially looked interesting.
Excerpts
>What we need is…” I now took the swig of Scotch, really nailing the timing. “4Chan.”
>“You’ve got to be kidding me. You want to seek out a bunch of /b/tard hacking imps? Online, they gave us Rickrolls and LOLcats. Who knows what they’re capable of in real life?”
>“Don’t disrespect the /b/tards,” someone said. And upon closer inspection, that someone appeared to be a woman. And Australian.
>Sitting on the neighboring bench in her boots, torn fishnets, and miniskirt was a living hyperbole of retarded sexuality.
>In time, our talk came back to what started it: seeking help from 4Chan.
>Have you ever even been to the /b/ boards on 4Chan? These are not people you want to know in real life.
>how do we even find 4Chan?
>I’m really having second thoughts about hanging with 4Chan.
>What happened to you?” I asked. “Yes, you. You were the agent provocateur of the Internet. The best and the brightest. True, some of you were functionally retarded and/or pedophiles, but think of all you’ve achieved."

/sffg/, I don't know why I even bother to keep writing. My country is on the verge of societal collapse, I'm half expecting the world to end by december, I'm getting mentally exhausted chipping away at this story, I'll probably never be able to publish this garbage, if I do publish this garbage it probably won't be read by anyone, and if people do read it it's mostly just going to be scum like you who will shit on it mercilessly, doxx me, send me death threats and harass anyone who actually like what I wrote all simply because I don't drop an ethnic slur every other word.

>>15543447
You need to cut your losses but not your wrists.

Different book than the above excerpts.
Does this distribution mean the book is almost perfectly average or entirely mediocre?

>>15543504
It doesn't mean anything because only absolute brainlets ever bother using those rating sections.

>>15543509
Thank you for the information.

>>15543480
sometimes, I have to wonder if suicide isn't the only answer.

The longer I live the worse and worse and worse the the world gets, or maybe it was always this bad I'm just seeing more and more of it. I tell myself I just want humanity to be happy, but then I see all the people like the ones here who celebrate cruelty, add insult to injury and injury to insult, and I realize there's a good third of the population I can't stand. Then I think about all the people who aren't like that, who pretend they're not actually malicious but let these people rise to power and give the a platform to speak, and I realize it's two thirds of the population I hate. Then I think about all those people who are actually against this shit, who actually believe in doing something to stop it, but their idea of doing something is childish, impotent and laughable. Peaceful, quiet, unobtrusive protests that let them believe they're doing something but have no capacity to accomplish anything. These same not only avoid doing anything that would actually help, but actively demonize anyone who tries. I think about this and I realize, I don't know anyone who isn't responsible for all this

>>15543427
>And Australian.
The author knows too much.

>>15543504
You should read the three stars comments to make your own opinion.

>>15543587
and then condemnation upon yourself for knowing the truth but refusing to do anything about it. Indeed, your response is to abandon it all because none of it is worth saving any longer.

>>15543671
Yes, I agree. I ought to form my opinion entirely from what other people think. I entirely believe you. Thank for forming my opinion on how to form an opinion.

what are some science fiction books with crazy origin stories of the creation of humans?

>>15543834
Does the creation of the universe count, or is it specifically anthropogenesis?

>>15543880
I'm more interested in the creation of man specifically, although if you have something interesting in mind about the creation of the universe that is more interesting than "it's a simulation" I'm all ears.

But here are some examples of stuff that got me interested:
Quatermass and the Pit: The remnants of an alien race landed on Earth but could not reproduce in the climate, so they created hybrids with semi-intelligent ape-like natives of Earth.
Xenogears: An ancient alien species created a massive weapon that is both digital and organic, but it malfunctioned and crashed into primitive Earth. In an effort to reboot/repair itself, it requires massive amount of organic matter. So it releases small amounts of organic matter, which eventually evolve into humans, who still contain genetic code that programs various humans into consciously aiding the weapon's eventual resurrection and/or merging with each other to give the weapon the organic matter it requires to revive. Or something like that.

>>15543504
I rate 90% of science fiction novels 3 stars because if they were worse I wouldn't finish them and if they were better they wouldn't be genre fiction (although the 10% does exist)

>>15544036
What would you include in the 10% anon? I'm genuinely curious, as I'm new to sff, and would like to read the best the genre has to offer.

>>15544008
You didn't play Xenosaga, did you?
Might also want to look into the source book as well.

>>15544036
That's a rather fancy strait-jacket you've fashioned.

>>15544008
>creation of the universe that is more interesting than "it's a simulation" I'm all ears
Homestuck: The entire universe is a giant organism that reproduces when someone within it completes a video game The central conflict of the first half (the good half) is that the race that made the protagonists universe fucked up and gave the organism cancer so it can't reproduce

>>15540444
Start with Small Gods. It's a completely standalone novel and it's genuinely great.

>>15544327
anon, thank you for having the courage to give the rec I didn't

>>15544264
>You didn't play Xenosaga, did you?
No, why? Does it expand on the original's plot? But oof the 3 episodes are supposed to be over 100 hours total.

>>15537391
What are some sci-fi or fantasy novels with top-tier antagonists? Presumably with a good duality with the protag

>>15537461
Yes they are.

>>15537461
What if they're magic nazis?

>>15544483
Just look at Xenogears Perfect Works then.

>I have known her longer, my smile said. True, you have been inside the circle of her arms, tasted her mouth, felt the warmth of her, and that is something I have never had. But there is a part of her that is only for me. You cannot touch it no matter how hard you might try. And after she has left you I will still be here, making her laugh. My light shining in her I will still be here long after she has forgotten your name

Why did I let this general trick me into reading Rothfuss...

>>15545323
As if people who post here wouldn't read it just so that they can then pan it. The first book tbqh is not that bad, the 2nd book just becomes so ridiculous and it's also when you realise there is no fucking plan at all, the author is literally just fucking making it up as he goes along.

>>15545438
It's clear to me from the first book, the whole thing was just a rambling story, literally, that goes nowhere. Kvothe being a god character gets old quick too

>>15545438
Maybe the author shouldn't give said people so much ammunition? I understand that the latte sipping, onions drinking demographic reading that crap is always for some cuckoldry but what about the rest of us?

good morning /sffg/

>>15545682
That looks really nice.
Good morning.

I'm so lonely anons. I want a series with friendship and camaraderie. Ive read most of the big series, malazan, redrising, sanderson, abercrombie, asoiaf, black company etc.

>>15545687
photos really don't do it justice

>>15545709
It looks like we have an anon that enjoys his nature.
Is that Razorback Mountain in Canada? Looks gorgeous.

>>15545702

>>15545735
i couldn't be further from Canada, these are from the Cathedral Range, in Victoria, Australia.
read the Xeelee Sequence if you haven't already.

Whats the golden path through the Horus Heresy books to skip to shitty ones? I've read the first three and while the first one is really good with a lot of clever set-ups, the latter two drop it all in favor of LMAO EVIL WIZARD HITLER. Also, whats up with this guy? Why would the Emperor create a legion of assrapists with a literal mental retard for a primarch?

>>15545749
I didn't browse /lit/ before the april fools merge. Did this board also have some of that lifting spirit before that?

>>15545784
The name of the file made me think or Razorback Mountains.
So you braved the bloodthirsty koalas and kangaroos and other Australian wildlife to reach the summit? Hardcore.

>>15545784
>Australia
That anon summoned them.

>>15545682
Baxter is perhaps the only thing drier than an Aussie summer

>>15543427
This came from a novel?

Fucking what?

>>15545702
Becky Chambers

>>15543447
>scum like you who will shit on it mercilessly, doxx me, send me death threats and harass anyone who actually like what I wrote all simply because I don't drop an ethnic slur every other word
Man up you victim complex pussy. I published a book, I'm relatively right wing (at leastcompared to the current gestalt), and I regularly get yelled at here and banned from other places for not being sufficiently leftist. People who share your politics control all of the most important political power levers of the western world, right down to being jannies on the internet. What the fuck do you have to complain about?

>>15538465
>>15538478
>>15538513
Ta.

I have what you're looking for.

>not actually about a rat

>>15538983
Ima let ya finish but this is the greatest Greenwood of all time

>>15539456
Yes they do

>>15543447
It will just be to be approved by a panel of sensitivity readers.

I just finished Dune. Why haven't I read this before? It was so much better than I expected because my only impression was based on the Lynch film. Do the following books go down in quality like in most series?

>>15546474
Everyone has different takes on best dune book but 1's not consensus best.

>>15546319
>I'm a pol scum
>people ban me when I preach about killing people for their skin colour and world views that doesn't match mine
>a bloo bloo bloo
Kys you literal piece of human shit.

>>15536882
I tried to write a fairy tale and the publisher I showed it to said they would have to categorize it as cosmic horror, and basically I'm curious how to refund the last two years my life

>>15537987
#AllElvesMatter
Das Racis

>>15546642
I meant literally fucking them.
Like putting your penis in her vagina kind of thing.

>>15546661
Hi Anon, its me, Anon.
I think we might have misunderstood one another.
I was making an attempt at edgy humor going against the curve of the leftist agenda; by insulting the idealists who spent the last ten years telling us there is only one race: the human race, before rapidly shifting focus to one race, and trying to demonize people who say that all live matter (Racially inclusive and treating all races equally) as being racists, when they themselves insist that right now we can only focus on the lives of blacks and their plight.

This whole ordeal has made me realize that the left is radical, unstable, hypocritical, and emotionally driven in the face of those who wish for a better more equal world.

I used your statement to turn elves into a allegory illustrating this, implying that we need to think dark elves are more fuckable, as compared to all elves at large being equally fuckable.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

>>15546593
>people ban me when I preach about killing people for their skin colour and world views that doesn't match mine
Be quiet when adults are talking, nobody said anything like what you are describing. I'd jack off if you killed yourself.

>>15546720
Hello Anon. My name is anon too.
I am so glad that you took the time to explain your posts.
The only reason I responded the way I did is because I was mortally afraid someone might misconstrue my posts as not supporting whatever insanity is happening in America in the current year or that they might think that I do not read badly written novels by fat, angry black women.

>>15546794
Anon, even though we come from different walks of life; I'm glad we took the time to talk and reach a resolution.
Maybe the world could learn a lot from this interaction and civil discourse.

>>15546811
Me too anon.
Best of luck navigating the veritable minefield that the social and political life have turned into in the current year.

>>15538629
>starting to get into it
>liking the characters so far
>some of the phonetic dialogue is annoying but whatever
>magic done by classic rock is acceptable
>suddenly, chapter 11
>new character is isekai'd from earth to join jon tom
>it's a female spic, here to start a love triangle
>"can you fight?" "I have eleven brothers and sisters"
I'M GONNA KILL MYSELF
YOU'RE GONNA FIND ME HANGING FROM THE BATCHROOM

>>15546975
You were kind of asking for it man.

>>15546975
It's sad when anons become so emotionally affected by something so trivial.

>46%
>entire first part of the book was about MC being an 'Alphaline' and traveling to an important city to take place in The Cull where female Alphas choose a mate
>grasping with the female Alphas' behavior and his own wariness over even wanting a partner for the road
I don't even know what I'm reading.

>>15536882
>according to Good Reads group info a lot of people write reviews for the books they read

Do you bother summarizing your thoughts after finishing a book?

is /sffg/ the last bastion for people who actually discuss literature on this god forsaken board?

>>15547155
I mean, /tg/ occasionally has a recommendation thread.

>>15538153
I was wondering why this popping up in my feed all the time.

>dat feel when boom of "black literature"

>>15547155
>last bastion
it's been this way since /lit/ started lol

arrgrhhh i have nothing to read. ive read like 3 utterly shitty novels this month (replay, dark matter and lord of the white hell) and i regret it. i keep looking for a good scifi. but theres nothing like three body problem and hyperion

>>15547155
Yes but everyone here is a homosexual.

>>15547285
It's just fucking surreal that a board for literature has something like SF and fantasy contained to a single thread. Although that probably has more to do with this place being deader than deader, though.

>>15547308
I don't think the literature board should be bombarded with 6th installment of dragons & elves cycle and if someone wants to discuss Borges or Bulgakov they can still do it here, as well as in the /lit/ board. Why? because some fantasy isn't level barely above fanfiction, but has literary value in terms of characterization, prose and theme.

>>15547332
lol shut the fuck up and look at the catalog, there is currently 1 (one!) thread discussing a specific "literary" author and that's on like page 8

I think this thread is a drastically better way to discuss spec fic than having multiple threads on the catalog but lmao at the idea of it being "bombarded" with unworthy threads as if that isn't all that's on there

>>15547386
Sir you are being very rude, I feel very threatened and under attack.

>>15547289
Solaris

>>15547332
You'd have a point if this really were a literature board and not whatever the fuck it actually is. Even fanfiction is better than 90% of the threads here.

>>15539935
Yes, I probably should.
Still are there any specific recommendations on the Hugo winner sets?

>>15547600
vol 3 book 2 has multiple good things on it
4 and 5 look decent
vol 2 of new hugos also looks good

That said you'd still be better off just reading the authors of some of the best entries in these ombibuses like Ellison, Butler, Tiptree and Guin in their own collections.

Currently reading pic related
i fucking hate edgy teenagers (i know , where do you think you are) but by god this book pulls it off so good that i keep on reading
i will finish it and pick up more fantasy before tackling the book of the new meme

>>15547861
Alright thanks

>>15547087
That first half of that book is was incredibly frustrating to read. The cull was so lackluster the lead up to made me think the cull was something dangerous. Should just call it "I don't know how to communicate".

The last half was great, but the entire first half made me want to pull my hair out.

>>15548038

To me edgy is doing something for the sake of being cool.

Protag just makes decisions and does not give a fuck.

Is this the best series of all time?

>>15549317
I can't tell what that is.

>>15549328
Throne of Glass.

>>15549347
>Throne of Glass.
Oh.
Fuck no.

>>15537472
Because some of us are of the radical disposition that genocide is wrong.

>>15549399
and yet you retain your citizenship and have become complicit in the atrocities of your country. Curious.

>>15549416
Ah but he's on the winning side.
You losers seem to be unable to process that.

I don't want to start a new long series, can you guys rec something that's either standalone, or if it, is say a trilogy or LoTR style multi-book but in single volume or omnibus?

On my shelf that I have read, enjoyed and are single volumes, I already have Gormenghast, Viriconium, LoTR, His Dark Materials, Canticle for Leibowitz, Once and Future King, everything by KJ Parker, and a whole heap of SF Masterworks standalones, and longer fantasy series like Black Company, First Law, BoTNS, Bakker, etc. So not looking for series or scifi.

Where to go next for fantasy?

>>15539644
> Somewhat related

>>15546377
10/10
a fast paced adventure

Is Neuromancer any good? What books would you compare it to?

>>15546720
>>15546794
Hi anons, my name is cuck.
I wish both of you to fuck off.

>>15549653
Yes
>What books would you compare it to?
It's so impactful to the genre it would probably be shorter to list books that are dissimilar

We were on page 9, faggots.

>>15549395
>bleached hair
>bolts on tits
>does slutty cosplay

>>15550616
Yeah it's great isn't it.

>>15537017
Just read web novels, a story isn’t satisfying to me if it isn’t 1000+ chapters long t b h

Sure it isn’t “good literature” but most every thing published in the west is utter garbage

How do you guys respond?

>>15550892
#whocare

>>15550892
Life sucks drop out

>>15550892
Because those grown ass men are spending their energies on far more useful and rewarding pursuits, like their loved ones, their jobs or their hobbies, which incidentally does not leave them with a lot of energy to spend on literary navel gazing so beloved by /lit, but on light reading.
What I am trying to say here is that he should get a job.

>>15550892
Tell him to go kneel for criminals and watch sports

>>15550892
i don't bother arguing on the internet but i might troll him.

Just picked up. What am I in for?

>>15551039
cia funded psyop to convert kids to libertarianism

>>15551039
Polygamy

>>15549460
malazanzan/ blade itself?

Need help anons, lately I have been struggling to explain what exactly I want to read. I keep telling to my friends that I want to engross myself in a fantasy world of sorts and they kept shilling me Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn books and it's almost there, but just not quite. The books of Malazan Empire are much closer to what I want but I put them on hold because I want to just read something not complex in its world-building.

It's really hard to explain, but I want a good balance between character development and world-building, both Mistborn and Malazan Empire in general feel more learning towards world-building. Whereas I want to have interpersonal drama in the background of major political themes. I guess I am not ashamed to admit that Game of Thrones would be good example, but we know Martin isn't finishing that shit, I just don't want to make a post that's just "rec me books like GOT lol".

For some reason every book I try that I get recommended is either jerking off to its own world too much that you need to legitimately study it, either it's just a romance where relationships are the story and I don't want that either.

Mind recommending something that goes well as an audiobook? For the reference I loved stromlight archives (hated mistborn), Hyperion and David Gemmell's Legend. So maybe something poetic and about honor?

Holy shit Dune is boring. Might have to end this one early

>>15550892
Pretty much everything that isn't working, eating, and sleeping is "pointless escapism."

>>15549460
Battle Mage was an okay standalone despite the shitty title.

>>15550892
I'm not a regular to this general thread and it does seem to have its fair share of pickle rick redditor "individualists" who think the purpose of life is shallowly "having fun" until you're dead, but fantasy/scifi can be literary and philosophical. Even schlock can. And sometimes you do just have to have fun, as long as it's in moderation.

Plenty of famous thinkers and artists were big fans of absolutely degenerate potboiler detective or mystery fiction. Hell, most of the history of the English novel is sensationalist potboiler shit, including arguably the majority of canonized works. Look right to its very beginnings. What's Gulliver's Travels if not fantasy and/or scifi?

So I decided to pick The Black company back up after reading 4 Malazan novels back to back, and I'm just not feeling the magic with it like I used to. Anybody else find dreams of steel a fucking drag to get through or is it just me?? Also, should I just put it down and read Midnight Tides or should I struggle through?

>>15550892
>talking shit about how anyone spends their time while posting on a tibetian thangka painting board

>>15549460
Maybe The War of the Flowers by Tad Williams?
Or Little, Big by John Crowley?
Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell?

If faeries aren't up your alley maybe try The Long Tomorrow by Leigh Brackett or The Fifth Head of Cerberus by Gene Wolfe.

>>15549784
>>15550570
>2hours between posts sends you to page 9
>years ago gone for 12+ hours and come back to thread on page 6
We dying

>>15550892
I would respond by saying "kys you fucking phoneposting scum".

What is the best translation of Journey to the West into English?

>>15551632
I enjoyed these books, and they are all on audio.

>>15552005
Anthony C. Yu revised

>>15552109
Thank you.

Choice of magic shill. Does the MC remain a virgin throughout the series?
I need books I can self insert as. And as someone who gets lots of pussy on the regular from different girls, I can't read about virgin mcs. They just don't reflect my mad sex filled life.

Im starting that ed greenwood book. It better be sick fucked up gri approved shit.

What's everyone reading?
Wandering Inn II is coming out soon, another 55 hours.
How do you fags feels about wandering inn having more hours than wheel of boring and Malazan?

>>15551967
Even if the thread someone can just make it again. Even if each thread only has a couple posts before it dies, it can still live on.

Is 2020 the year you stopped enjoying reading books?

Just got a bunch of random books from my GFS brother who is a bro. I finished recursion, and old man's war so far. He gave me some game of thrones type shit written by a black guy and I couldn't even get 15 pages in. I want to read the rest of the old man's war series now.

>>15538014
Elric is boring.

Is there any fiction that presents itself as an analysis of a fictional event, examining the causes and effects, the people involved et al?

Closest thing I can think of is Ace Combat Zero, which uses documentary interviews as a framing device for some exposition

>>15552930
I'm trying to alternate fiction and non-fiction reading, so pic related (an excellent book, by the way). After that I'm planning to try Bujold and Chiang's Exhalation.

>>15552930
It's not strictly /sffg/ but I'm currently reading A Means to Freedom, which is the collected letters between Robert E. Howard and H.P. Lovecraft.
It gives fascinating insight into both authors' minds, the contexts they wrote under, and I particularly love Howard's anecdotes of life in rural Texas.

>>15543447
>Half Nazi SS family that somehow may have been jews
>Half random African ethnicity famous for its novelists

Somehow, I think publishers will love me.

>>15543834
My new novel.

>>15546377
Ayy, my dad's favourite. That really brings back memories.

>read the 4th Earthsea book
>it's great, the only fault being the somewhat rushed ending
Wtf /sffg/ you told me it was going to be shit

>>15553496
I don't get it? When it's a shadman thread you leave without opening the door?

>>15554825
It depends on you. Because the later books drop the protagonist and go way off field, with some dead queen that has to come back to life, it's not well liked. I think I dropped the series at book 5.
There are also those in here that hate women because they didn't give them pussy when younger, so they hate all females and don't want to see a vagina author.

>>15555184
I'm about to start book 5 so I guess I'll see if it's the start downhill.

I just finished Memory Sorrow and Thorn and I loved it, could you guys recommend me some similar series? I am pretty new to fantasy so I have only read a few big titles. I especially liked the 3rd book and the stuff with Camaris, I thought it was very touching.. I have also read the first Dune and really liked it and I also tried to read WoT but got bored and stopped.

tfw no barghast mommy gf

>>15556284
Wow that's some horrible art.
Get some standards.

is there any good fantasy which actually had a decent ending? malazan for example was very disappointing, first law trilogy was also pretty bad.. most of them seem to be just interesting world building or sometimes interesting characters with stories that fall apart.. any recommendations?

>>15556428
dont think there is much "sexy" malazan art

>>15556504
Well there is nothing sexy about Malazan... or anything good, truth be told.

>>15556548
Not same guy but explain pls. I started gardens of the moon and didn't really continue. Is it not worth continuing?

Just finnished a great modest high fantasy series and I thought malazan was just the kind of serioes I was looking for. Enlighten me pls

>>15556880
i'm not >>15556548 but i have read the entire thing plus some esslemont books and for me it fails to deliver on what it builds up. that goes for individual books/storylines and the whole thing. there is lots of interesting world building and the concept of interaction with gods is quite alluring. the first two books are pretty badly written, especially gardens of the moon. while there are many characters introduced throughout the series, most of them are not really well fleshed out and of those quite a few of are thoroughly uninteresting. a lot of things do not make any logical sense, creating weak plotlines (why would they follow tavore for instance?). erikson is also very heavy handed with whatever he does
>here i'm being philosophical
>look here now we're getting towards a critical point
>this is a complicated unravelling of many plot threads
the books largely follow the same format with this many threads to unravel in an unnecessarily 'complicated' fashion. and that mostly translates to poorly written endings for me. the final unravelling where threads are supposed to be tied together was entirely unsatisfactory, forkrul were so extremely shallowly described for example. they are important for the ending, why spend so much time on other things when he could've fleshed out the things vital to his main storyline? it gets a lot of hype for being so epic and so vast scale, but that just means there are too many parts and pieces imo. that said i enjoyed some of the books, particularly first half of house of chains and toll the hounds could've been a pretty solid stand-alone novel. i wish i'd stopped after that one. esslemonts books are atrocious

Need more smut.

>The Dead Will Rise Again Edition
List Sff Books where the dead rise and become stronger
Last book you read where a wronged person rises to take revenge
What are you reading?
What is it about so far?

Monthly Reading for August: Babel-17 by Samuel R. Delany

Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP

Fantasy:
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Science Fiction:
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

Finding authors that are similar to what you read.
https://www.literature-map.com/

Quick question I want to read the forever war as I'm getting done with he classic sci-fi classics but I'm not sure which version to read. Do you guys have any recommendations?

>>15556880
Deadhouse Gates is probably the best book Erickson ever wrote. If you don’t like that you won’t like him.

>>15557185
Thank you kindly for the elaborate explaination! Wasn't expecting that. This actually helped me out! Think I'll give it a shot then for the time beeing.
You got any favourites in the genre? I like symbolism a little darker/grittier fantasy. Got any recommendations?

>>15557506
Ty for recommendation will have a look!

>>15558025
doesn't hurt to give it a try, you might enjoy them. i don't really have a favorite, if you like gritty you'll maybe like abercrombies stuff if you haven't read it already, or maybe the crimson empire series by alex marshall. also black company is ok. currently i'm reading long price quartet, going to give broken empire a go after that i think

>>15536905
When are you supposed to read the first 2 if you start with Sourcery as the author suggests?

>>15556548
>Is it not worth continuing?
I don't think I am the person to answer a question like that. I dropped it mid first novel, I just could not get into it. I honestly don't remember much about the novel, it was that uninteresting.
Paper thin characterization, the pompousness of it all, it just didn't jive with me.

>>15558162
Whenever you feel like it. Perhaps after reading half of the others.

>>15558025
maybe you'll also like monument by ian graham, kinda gritty, short read

>>15537017
How has nobody said Prince of Nothing? Anasûrimbor is probably the closest you would get to a western xianxia mc.

>>15558510
Akka is the main character, not Kellhus

>>15558214
>>15558152
Ok! Long summer ahead, now I've got some good suggestions to check out. Thanks!

>>15558510
>Anasûrimbor
Is not a protagonist. You fucking shits. He isn't an MC. He is the antagonist.

It's 8pm. What are you fags reading?

>>15559214
DUNE

>>15538629

What's wrong with having a map?

The dialogue in this is hilarious.
Cugel is based.
Read Jack Vance.

Recommend me a fantasy novel with a lot of violence and gore.

>>15559266
How are you liking it? I found it very dry and wasn't a fan of all the desert tribe fremen sections.

Any good sci fi with an underwater setting?

>>15559599
It's a sign of autism, and no real story to tell.

>>15559780
Rules Free VRMMO Life

>>15559780
acts of caine

>>15559780
Why did someone get the squirrel from ice age in their house.

Fuck E William Brown

>>15559780
the burning isle

>>15559780
The Brothers Grossbart

>>15559793
I was expecting something better, I didn't mind the setting at all, but the writing was just....lets say subpar, and the story felt very generic and cliche. I still did't finish the first book and there are at least 3 more good ones to go supposedly. So maybe it gets better.

>>15560069
Drop it after book one.

>>15560069
>but the writing was just....lets say subpar
The first dune book was famously unedited because Herbert could only get it published by a car repair manual publisher. It gets a bit better but in terms of pure prose the series is never anything special.
What really makes Dune standout is all the concepts and inspirations that were previously almost untouched by spec fic, of course now most authors have read Dune they're not groundbreaking to encounter.

>>15549399
>Still believes in holohoax

>>15560403
Just like the corona hoax, right? Which is just a cover up for 5G that is giving people autism and making the frogs and boys gay. Right?

>>15560465
Stop posting anytime.

>>15560465
Please, everyone knows corona is real and only attacks white supremacists while ignoring people protesting for the right causes.

>>15560538
Like how they modified ebola to kill only blacks? And patented the white only cure, months before the outbreak?

This my last bump. Someone will just make a new thread in the morning when this one is archived from page 10.

>>15553496
The Rise of Meritocracy.
A dystopian science fiction in the form of a report.
>pic related.

I've just started reading do androids dream and I just got explained what the mercer system is. Man this is the dumbest shit I've ever read before. Cool book outside of that though

Anons, I am finishing Gardens of the Moon and it honestly finally kind of clicked with me, I am interested in reading further, but from what I understand the second book Deadhouse Gates just starts a second storyline that would eventually intertwine and fit together with storylines started in Gardens of the Moon, while I am pretty invested in this. Meanwhile I heard Memories of Ice continues plotlines from Gardens of the Moon and has little to do with Deadhouse Gates. So, in theory, can I read Memories of Ice while my steam is hot and switch to books 2 and 4 after it?

Do any epic fantasy series do a good job with the whole "multiple viewpoints of characters on different sides of a conflict and there's a good amount of intrigue and different people might want different sides to win" thing?

>>15555671
You could read Tad Williams other series. Otherland and Shadowmarch were both enjoyable with one main exception:
>Renie + Briony
Bitchy, dumb cunt female MC

>>15560914
>but from what I understand the second book Deadhouse Gates just starts a second storyline that would eventually intertwine and fit together with storylines started in Gardens of the Moon

Paran is only an extremely minor character and literally none of his plot is ever relevant or resolved in any way.

Rec me some non-spaceopera, non-whateverpunk, non-apocalyptic SF bros. Preferably recent (>2000s).

>>15561322
There is no recent sci-fi. Go read Jurassic Park if you haven't already.

>>15560916
ASOIAF is the ur example of it and it obviously does an excellent job. Other fantasy writers don't seem to be able to handle it nearly as well.

>>15538014
I've read Knight of Swords and enjoyed it a lot, can't speak for any of the rest of Moorcock

>>15561322
>There is no recent sci-fi.
Do people stop writing sci-fi altogether or your definition of sci-fi is needlessly strict? If the latter, what is a sci-fi to you?

>>15561473
Meant for >>15561325

>>15561473
>>15561486
Modern sci-fi that isn't space operas is fucking dead. Nobody writes it. The closest you'll get is the Military Sci-fi which is going strong but obviously not what you're after. I mean if you want to try some MilSF you could check out the Undying Mercenaries series, which is extremely entertaining in the big dumb fun sense.

>>15560777
very cool thanks

>>15560914

I would not recomend it.
You miss out on some significant plot info.
Plus as another anon mentioned Deadhouse is the best book in the series. If it doesnt click with you might aswell stop reading right there.

So I just finished A Pale Light in the Black by K.B. Wagers. To begin with, Wagers is clearly a pretty competent writer, but Christ, I could feel my estrogen levels rising every ten pages or so. I'm willing to overlook the recent trend of every science fiction protagonist being a strong independent lesbian but good lord, literally every single character in this book has some sort of LGBT-agenda descriptor slapped on them, either they're trans or asexual or nonbinary or what the fuck ever, and the setting is not nearly far enough into the future for that to be at all plausible, especially given that there was apparently some sort of total societal collapse only a couple hundred years before the book takes place, so I'd think all that shit would be way on the decrease instead, realistically.

I'm open-minded enough to not drop a book as soon as it introduces a transgender character and I do think that in a perfect world people ought to be able to be whoever and whatever they want to be, and I do nominally agree that that ought to apply to gender and sexuality as well, but the society being described in this book is nowhere near advanced enough for the sheer amount of that shit to be believable at all. I mean, humanity is still mostly in the solar system, despite having wormholes, for some reason, and people are still listening to fucking Busta Rhymes, the majority of the people in the space Coast Guard aren't going to be objectively mentally ill and/or female yet.

Now, all that aside, the book is competently written and there were genuinely a few good moments. I liked Max as a character, and she was much less of a Mary Sue than I thought she'd be. Jenks on the other hand can fuck right off, there is zero chance of anybody like that making it in any sort of military organization. I also think that Wagers should have either gone with the Space Olympics or the Space Conspiracy theme and not try to do both at once, cause I never had any concern that NeoG weren't going to win everything, and the Space Conspiracy part was so limp that it only really came together in the last tenth of the book, literally.

All in all it wasn't worth it.

>>15561322
I really liked The Rig by Roger Levy although that might be a little too space opera for you.

>>15561501
>Nobody writes it.
Just off the top of my head Peter Watts, Alistair Reynolds, Greg Egan, Ben Bova, Ken MacLeod, Cixin, etc are still publishing. Neal Asher if you want to stretch things too. More small indie authors out there like Karl K. Gallagher and James L. Cambias but they're of questionable quality (Cambias' best book is the one with the manatee aliens because his human character writing is TRASH.)

And suggesting military scifi is itself questionable, most of it relies on a bunch of handwaving to get the soldiers somewhere with the equipment they have, or make space battles be more than a bunch of AIs engage in microsecond battles while their human crews are blacked out from the G-forces.

This is the same way things were "back in the day", just nobody remembers all the mass market sword-and-laser trash.

>>15561922
>make space battles be more than a bunch of AIs engage in microsecond battles while their human crews are blacked out from the G-forces
Could make for a pretty compelling story, actually.
>MC wakes up after a huge space battle that rewrote the borders and decimated the fleets, spends the rest of the book trying to figure out what both his and enemy AI actually did and why

>>15562234
IIRC I actually saw a space opera with that sort of setup a few months back. Military officer wakes up on a enemy space ship and is told it's been several hundred years since she was last awake and the entire system is dead. Sounded interesting and had some good reviews but my plate is full right now.

>>15561922
>make space battles be more than a bunch of AIs engage in microsecond battles
This shows up in Excession by Iain M. Banks. One ship wipes out a whole fleet by blinking in , firing a shot, blinking out, then back in at a different angle. Over and over again until the fleet is destroyed. Whole attack is meant to last less than a minute or so, iirc.

>>15560935
Unfortunately I cannot buy shadowmarch here and Otherland does not seem like something I would enjoy desu. Do you have any other suggestions?

Fuck self published authors
Fuck chinese webnovels
Fuck trying to low key pander to one group, while selling it as something else to another group

>>15562910
>Fuck chinese webnovels
Are any of these ever any good? I've looked online and it's all pure trash. Just one idea repeated over and over again without an attempt at originality. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places, but fuck me if it isn't all copy pasted garbage.

>>15563106
it's china, what do you expect

>>15560914
no, memories of ice builds quite a bit from deadhouse gates

>>15563307
Cixin's good, so clearly they've got at least some talent in their billion+ population, just none of it available online, it seems.

>>15562558
>I cannot buy shadowmarch here
Why is that?
Williams has also been writing sequels to MS&T, I believe 3 of 4 or 5 are out already.
>Do you have any other suggestions?
No, I have not read MS&T yet, just Otherland and Shadowmarch for now.

>>15550892
>it's all escapism
Yes.

>>15560843
>bugman doesn't understand empathy and the shared human experience
>>/reddit/

>>15563307
CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD CHINA BAD

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>>15563666
Where in that post did he say anything about Trump?

>>15563106
You have to read the ones that are officially translated and released on Amazon, or the ones did by a western author.
Coiling dragon
The beginning after the end
Cradle

>>15563712
Trump is in his brain rent free. It's all pol thinks about.

>>15563712
Who the fuck cares what he said? He is a subhuman retard, and my goal is to make him feel bad, so that he feels disinclined to further participate in the general.

>>15563742
>oops he didn't say anything like what I typed
>let me backtrack and play like I did nothing wrong

>>15563106
Je Tian Ji is better written than most western fantasy

>>15564227
Retard KYS, neck yourself, suffocate, and dilate and suck burger dicks, and have sex.

>>15564311
>he's been lurking here for two hours praying that somebody, anybody replies to him

>>15564311
>trying to fit in so hard with these buzz words

>>15564316
Nigger faggot subhuman, I have 4chan X, and unlike you poor wagie, I don't have to plow the fields

>>15564329
>greentext about how someone does 4chan stuff
Stop trying to fit in by telling people to stop trying fitting in, new FRIEND (see this is another thing newfags do after posting for 5-6 months, they call nigger faggots friends).

>>15548749
Yes I'm halfway and their infantile-like behavior toward one another is aggravating. They're not in high school.

What do we have on David Gemmell?

>>15563441
It is just not available in the stores here. I am from Eastern Europe so I already have to use internet bookstores for everything but the most well-known books and even then more obscure pieces cannot be bought there. I wanted to ask if Shadowmarch isn't too similar to MST since the premise is actually really similar but it seems you haven't read it yet :/

>>15537017
Legend of Randidly Ghosthound on Royal Road.

That's about the level of quality you're asking for.

Is the way of kings as bad as everyone here says? A relative bought me the book quite a while ago and I have been dreading it. For what it is worth I read the first 3 wot books and really did not like them. Thing is, I do not really have any other casual series to read. I am reading Dune and Gene Wolfe but that is not something you can read after a long day to just relax a little and idk. Could anyone here recommend me something more casual but also not garbage?

>>15565260
The Risen Empire books by Scott Westerfeld fit into that niche pretty well for me.

>>15565260
Why are so many so resistant to just trying whatever book out rather than blogging about it?

DO NOT MAKE A NEW THREAD.

>>15565579
you're not my REAL dad

>>15565687
>>15565687
>>15565687
>>15565687