/lit/ - Literature

>>15572494
I tried researching what she did, and I can't even follow it. I can't keep up with all this shit.

>>15572494
If you're a white male your best bet is to pull a Kafka and pray you'll get published posthumously.

>>15572494
>to try to make a name (and a living) from it?
These are outmoded goals, but yeah self-publishing is the only reasonable route.

>>15572531
she said sex is real, but nobody here can confirm, because nobody here had sex

>>15572531
She said that if sex isn’t real, gays aren’t real and a man in a dress isn’t a woman.

>>15572909
how are gays not real, if OPs exists?

>>15572494
Have any of you assholes even bothered submitting to publishers?

>>15572531
She said, sex is a dead vampire, and that no having sex makes you an alien.

>>15572958
once. no answer after 10 months.

>>15572494
Not really. Traditional publishing isn't just a method of publishing it's also a badge showing that your work meets a certain quality that makes it sellable. Self-publishing is and will always be the realm of hacks and poors, and having your work alongside them will automatically diminish it.

>>15572958
>implying people here not only read by also write.

>>15573096
that has changed.

>>15573145
Ok

>>15573096
>Traditional publishing isn't just a method of publishing it's also a badge showing that your work meets a certain quality that makes it sellable
that badge now includes supporting the right ideology and speaking the right words inside and outside your book. You can right a 10/10 novel that is "diverse" but if you use a nono word or phrase on twitter you are fucked.

>>15573190
I hate to tell you this, but if you want to be successful in any industry, you're going to need to abstain from saying nigger on twitter.

>>15573190
>"you can right a 10/10 novel..."
so writing novels has been replaced with righting novels?

>>15573096
Walt Whitman sucks ass, I agree, but he is indeed a self-published author. And 'The Shack' and 'The Martian' are both self-publishing success stories. In the age of Youtube, promoting yourself to a right crowd shouldn't be entitrely discarded.

Writing isn't a viable option full stop, neither is YouTube.

>>15573096
Traditional publishing isn't the same anymore, that's the problem. Nowaday's market is mainly dictated by the shitty romance/erotica genre, and the rest is filled by some cheap generic crime/mystery thrillers that usually follow the same mundane plot structures and themes like Dan Brown's novels for example. If in the past there was at least some kind of merit and sense for quality and originality among the publishing circles, now today everything is about selecting those books that will make the biggest profit. And let's not forget the politcorrect criteria publishers require in order your manuscript to be even included for consideration - at least 1 transgender/homosexual character, at least 1 strong POC, as few as possible white (male) characters (unless it's the villain/s), etc. All those things make it almost impossible for any writer that has something truly original and genuine to offer to make it as a writer in the traditional publishing. Talent isn't the main factor anymore, that's why you'll find a lot more interesting readings by self-published authors on the internet than in the bookstores.

>>15572958
Yes short stories and poems, but I'm done playing games. I'm drafting my first novel, and I can guarantee you that it will in fact be, the next great Great American Novel ™.

>>15573217
it's nto about saying or not saygin nigger, but if you, and i don't want to get political, say you support trump then door will close on you, and while you will get "support" (maybe even financial) it will because of politics not because of the strength of your writing.
Same if you spout anything about any "pretested group" or taboo topic or just "stay silent in the face of injustice".

>>15572531
Some shitty article used 'people who menstruate' so as to include women and transmen in some discussion on vagina health. She politely called it retarded.
"People who menstruate" is too long, we should just call them cunts.

Societies can have different modalities of cultural consensus, sometimes the consensus is such that D.H. Lawrence or George Eliot's controversial translations of atheist and secularist writings can get published and become a cause celebre overnight despite a generally conservative audience because there is an informal consensus among the literati and intelligentsia that dissent should be tolerated, but sometimes the consensus is a rigidly puritanical, ideologically conformist, dogmatic etc. And sometimes the wishes of the literati/intelligentsia simply have no organic relation to the wishes of the reading public, and they artificially stifle publications for a while.

We're living under that third type of relationship between publishers and readers. It only holds on so long as those people hold the reins of power through money and influence. You can wait for them to be toppled or participate in toppling them.

In former times it would be enough to create your own press, fund it at any cost, and build a reading audience by being known as a dissenting voice. Nowadays the reading public is much smaller and more atomized and instead of one or two organs of dissent, around which many dissenting voices can coalesce, there are thousands of tiny organs too small to get anywhere. We need another journal like Orage's New Age or someone like Eliot to organize a generation of promising figures. Not yet another fucking blog.

>>15573281
Walt Whitman came from a different time, so I'm not sure if it's accurate to compare him to contemporary self publishing.

The Shack and The Martian are exceptions that prove the rule. The former was written by a man who but considerable effort into having it edited and looked over by a supportive group of friends, and the latter had a background in Science which disposes one to being well read and thorough.

The issue is ultimately that with self-publishing there's no oversight unless you seek it, and most people aren't mature enough to seek that oversight, and if they are mature enough to seek it, aren't usually going to be in a situation to find it.
>>15573293
A lot of this political stuff you're mentioning is mostly drummed up hysteria by right and left wing reactionaries. In most traditional publishing the situation is as normal. Also, the bottom rung has always been pulpy novels with cheap premises.
>>15573314
Why do you need to bother with politics to begin with? There's a problem of narcissism among people these days where they assume their opinions or thoughts matter enough to scream across the world. If you feel the need to shout your politics from the rooftops, you should be ready to fight for them, and if you're unwilling to do that, shut the fuck up and keep looking at the ground. You want to be an author? Learn some decorum.

>>15572872
Supreme post.

>>15572494
Do people really read books for the explicit purpose of validating ideology?

>>15573447
by "books" I mean works of fiction.

>>15572494
I'd probably use a pseudonym

>>15573447
Minime.
If one wishes to acquire wisdom, enlightenment, one reads and thinks through opposing views to challenge one's beliefs and outlooks to avoid ossification of thought.

>>15573447
>>15573456
Yes, absolutely. It is the ultimate expression of mental masturbation. Just like someone who is lonely and wants sex might watch pornography to self-insert into a universe where he's having sex, someone who wants to conform the world to their ideology will read books to feel validation that their ideology is correct and see that it results in ultimately the best result.
All literature is either cathartic or, for lack of a better word, ideological. If the ideology is plain and obvious, it's a philosophical talking point (e.g., Dostoevsky). If the ideology is disguised or denied by the author, it is mental masturbation.

>>15573390
>A lot of this political stuff you're mentioning is mostly drummed up hysteria by right and left wing reactionaries
>left wing reactionaries
Modern publishers, especially the biggest ones, are left-wing inclined, thus one of the main reasons for all that is wrong with traditional publishing, respectively they being extremely biased and "picky".

>In most traditional publishing the situation is as normal
If we're talking about the small publishers, maybe. But more and more of them are becoming as biased as their bigger counterparts.

>Also, the bottom rung has always been pulpy novels with cheap premises.
I didn't say the opposite. I said that at least in the past there was a free space exclusively reserved for the non-conventional and original works that publishers didn't require their authors to insert certain political traits/make politically correct changes (whether be it right-wing, left-wing or whatever).

>>15573390
>Why do you need to bother with politics to begin with?
You don't, but like I said everything is political with these people. There are certain movies you need to like and certain movies you aren't allowed to like or talk about. As you ahve seen there are books you can read and print and those you can't, those that even menitioning will get you into trouble "with the mob" if you are unlucky.
You can't post photos of you drinking milk because that is a nod to... I really don't know and don't care. I do agree that the best course of action for authors would stop posting political stuff on twitter But since anything and everything can be a "wink" to groups of people who I'm not even sure exist you need to show yourself to be "on their side" if only so they come for you latter.

>>15572494
I think the stigma surrounding self-publishing will fade over time. Given the dismal financials of the publishing industry, technology changes, and the repressive politicization of media, and the general tendency for other "content creators" (hate that word) to go their own way without arbitration.

It used to be that getting published was essentially a proxy sign that one passed inspection. It was an indirect predictor of validity and quality. Self-publishing in contrast was for those who weren't good enough to find a traditional publisher and lacking a filter garbage can be published en masse. But in these days anyone with a laptop has all the resources of a media company save for the labor power. And there is precedent for quality coming from outside the the purview of the gatekeepers. Also no one really markets books, even for the big publishers, so it's not like that is a huge consideration.

The only reason to go through an official publisher is because their is come cultural cache associated with the brand name publishing houses. But that is mostly a relic of a past time.

I honestly don't care, but I would probably use a pen name. That way people won't bother you on social media or anything.

>>15573357
Boris Johnson is a cunt and to my knowledge he doesn't menstruate

>>15573574
Most of this is in your head. I advise you try publishing a book or operating in the industry.
>>15573584
This is all in your head.

There's a real problem with Right wing sources driving people to hysteria. Lefties are overzealous with their shit and full of insane psychopaths, don't get me wrong, but if you hang out on 4chan a lot you're going to fall under the impression this is the norm, when the truth is, a majority of people don't give a fuck and it'll never effect you.

If you MUST post on social media, don't connect your social media presence to your career. If you do, you get what you deserve.

What are the differences between self publishing and using a publishing house? Ultimately you have a product, that needs to be promoted, delivered to customers and I guess as an author you can take as much control as you want. I think sometimes a company can design a book cover that falsifies the contents, this will help sell it. As a writer, you need to know what your strengths are: words. It's over ambitious to think you could do all the things a group of people get paid to do for a living.

I'm quite interested in alternative publishing methods. What is there?

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>>15573655
>This is all in your head.
Dude I personally know people who were shut down. One of my collage professors got into trouble about condemning the riots on twitter just a few days ago. I'm not sure what they will do with him but we are getting a new teacher at least for a while, not that it matter much since it''s online but still.

I do understand most people won't give a fuck but this is becoming a real problem. I don't even go to 4chan much outside /tg/ but i ca see it happening.

>>15573655
>Most of this is in your head. I advise you try publishing a book or operating in the industry.

Name 5 (five) books from the last 10 years that have been traditionally published and that are truly original and interesting and that have at least a decent prose

>>15573709
>One of my collage professors got into trouble about condemning the riots on twitter just a few days ago.

Choose: Posting on social media or maintaining a career as a public facing professional.

You don't know anyone who was shut down, you just know idiots.

>>15573723
>at least a decent prose
Vaguely defined. Define that and I will, otherwise I'll just be grabbing five books just for you to say they have shit prose.

>>15573761
By decent prose I mean captivating prose; a prose that doesn't read like a 5th grader's homework essay

>>15573598
>I think the stigma surrounding self-publishing will fade over time.
Ya, maybe if even less than 1% of what's self-published will not be a load of arse gravy which won't ever happen. Everything relevant will continue affiliating with someone/thing.

>>15573798
You've managed to make it even more vague. Seeing as how you've used a semicolon, you probably consider yourself well read enough to formulate a sentence and express your ideas, so why don't you start doing that or bump yow widdle biddy pwostate with yuh semicowon instawd uwu

>>15572494
wow i bet JKR is crying into her pile of money

>>15573848
What's so vague with "captivating" and "not being read as a 5th grader's essay"? What are you, some kind of NPC that can't properly process words and find their meaning and that needs everything to be explained as if to a mentally handicapped spastic?

>so why don't you start doing that or bump yow widdle biddy pwostate with yuh semicowon instawd uwu
Never mind, it seems that your hormone therapy is fucking up with your head and makes you way overly angry over trivial things. Congratulations tranny, you exposed yourself (and thanks for reminding me once again that your kind lacks the necessary cognitive abilities to properly express itself)

>>15572494
>LGBT fantasy books
That's really a genre?

>>15573673

That's delicious projection.

>>15573746
>Choose: Posting on social media or maintaining a career as a public facing professional.

Not a choice for people on the left.

>Free speech for me but not for thee

I hope you get throat cancer.

>write the greatest American novel of all time
>keep myself Pynchon-tier isolated, no social media, no photo ops, nothing
>the literary world is abuzz with speculation as to who this wunderkind could be
>finally agree to do one live interview on a late show
>show up in a tweed suit, smoking a pipe, heavy sunglasses shading my face
>Jimmy Kimmel asks some banal question about my inspiration and how it feels to carry around the burden of such genius
>I lean in
>my shades slide just far enough down my nose to reveal the slightest razor's edge of pupil in the nearest camera
>"*Ahem.* Well Mr. Kimmel, fuck niggers, fuck trannies, fuck kikes, and you know what, Jimmy?"
>"Wh-what is it, sir"
>"Most especially and above all else FUCK jannies."
>sprint off the set, take off my fake beard, board a greyhound bus for the Canadian border, and spend the rest of my life looking over my shoulder for Mossad agents

>>15573965
>What are you, some kind of NPC that can't properly process words and find their meaning

Yes, that's modern left ideology. Note how words like 'Equality' and 'diversity' don't mean anything when they use them.

They use words to manipulate, not exchange meaning.

>>15573973

This really shouldn't come as any surprise to you. Queers are a (historically) exotic subject matter and elves in particular are gay af.

>>15573965
I'm a big fat man with a big dick and strong balls, so your estimation is woeful but going by your buzz-word laden rant it's precious you can do more than grunt. Go back to your little hidey-hole, the world doesn't need cowards.
>>15574019
Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. I hate it as much as the next guy, but the internet has brought the raging dregs of society at the social front door. if you aren't mindful of that you have a self-preservation problem and deserve what you get.

>>15574046
>Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

True.

>the internet has brought the raging dregs of society at the social front door

So you drop the boiling oil on them.

>>15572958
Yes, only vanity shits pick up and they ask for too much money. Self publishing is cheaper, you just get a second job at marketing your erotic fanfiction.

>>15574031
You forgot to turn around and walk the dinosaur.

>>15574046
>I'm a big fat man with a big dick and strong balls, so your estimation is woeful but going by your buzz-word laden rant it's precious you can do more than grunt. Go back to your little hidey-hole, the world doesn't need cowards.

Sounds like something only a mentally ill, in pre-suicide stage tranny would write. Stop being such an embarrassment to yourself and your family and consult with a psychiatrist before it's too late

But what about avant-garde literature? That's seems fucked. Self-publishing seems always something for pleasing the crowd, for those with a following, etc. That might work for some genre work. Of course, big publishers were never it either; but some small presses dedicated to experimental works...? What about that?

>>15574072
The boiling oil is already dropped as loud public discourse like what's currently going on is a symptom of intentionally provoked rage. Once someone is reactionary, you've won, and jumping into the fray is just idiotic and unnecessary.
>>15574079
>everyone who disagrees with me is a tranny
:)

Only rich people have truly free speech, when you think about it. If you have a small shop or shit like that you get flooded with bad reviews, people might even grief it. And if you are an employee, email get sent to your boss, people pressure your company on social media. If companies didn’t lower they spine when first few cases happened cancel culture wouldn’t be as prevalent today. Of course I understand as a company their goal is to make money, however you can’t cater to everyone imo.

>>15574114
Your faggish way of writing exposed you as one. You try way too hard to blend with the others but I see that you have a problem with containing your emotions. Like I said - seek help. Take it as a stranger's advice that later you will be thankful for

>>15574166
Sounds to me you're hoping I'm transgender. Has our little debate sparked the tickling fires of love at your toes? I don't usually cuddle up with retards, but for you I'll make an exception. Don't mind the poking at your back, that's just my penis. :)

>>15574043
>elves are gay af

N-no they aren’t anon shut up

>>15573973
Thanks to Dragon Age.

>>15574043
>Queers are a (historically) exotic subject matter and elves in particular are gay af.

Just because elves have smooth skin and gallant mannerisms doesn't mean they're gay in any way lol

So a good rule of thumb is that there are no dumb businesses or products. just poor or ill fitting business models.

self publishing can be a great path to success if you have a day job and the skills to reach a growing audience/retain them after reaching them.

Really you gotta figure out what it is that you have got and what the competing products look like. Fantasy and science fiction is a noisy world. Having a bestseller is like holding a lottery ticket.

Im really surprised /lit/ hasn't started publishing a quarterly anthology. Writers submit short stories and an editor compiles them into a book. 15 bucks an issue, 35 for a nice hardback.

>>15574300
People on /lit/ don't write. Alarmingly, very few people on /lit/ even read.

>>15574300
we really should do this

>>15574043
>elves in particular are gay af
Stop playing videogames.

>>15573096
>Self-publishing is and will always be the realm of hacks and poors
hacks true
poors not so much
there are plenty of self pubs making bank

>>15572494
No. The fact of the matter is people who are conventionally published will have a huge advantage over you all the time. They get the marketing team, they get their books printed, in airports, in book stores, in libraries.

You self publish and you'll end up like that guy who wrote Wizardology and it'll actually be more difficult to get conventionally published.

>>15574208
Ngl but the writing style >>15574166
talked about is very much manifestly tranny. At least in reference to the kind of discourse.

>>15574300
>he doesn't know about the lit quarterly

>>15572531
So where it becomes public is the Maya Forstater case from last year, or maybe the year before. This started when Maya posted some things on a private slack channel saying she wasn't happy with gender fluid Head of Global Markets at Credit Suisse, a Mx Pips Bunce, who won the Financial Times Woman of the Year award in 2018. My understanding is that Bunce likes to put on a dress and a wig once in a blue moon (if that), and would be considered by most trans people and even people in the drag scene as completely uncommitted to living as a woman in any way. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gender-fluid-exec-named-on-list-of-top-100-women-in-business-a3942896.html

When she began to be prosecuted and taken to a human rights tribunal over this, she tried to explain her stance on twitter and got into a further argument with Gregor Murray, another transgender person in name only, whose previous claims to fame involved being dropped from every political position they've ever held. Their most infamous incident was when he was Dundee council's Equality Spokesperson. He labelled a group calling for more equal representation for women in local politics a "bunch of absolute roasters". https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/equality-spokesperson-calls-womens-group-absolute-roasters-1445193

Both of these men, Murray moreso and more publicly, are known to be about as sexist as your typical MRA fag. Both of these accusations led to Forstater appearing before a human rights tribunal. She has always maintained a consistent idea of sex, that one is born with immutable properties that determine their sex through development of ovaries or testes or sex organs, but was found by the tribunal to not have had a detailed enough model of the genetic factors in sex determination and therefore not to have taken into account the rights of intersex (NOT trans) people in her beliefs. Her beliefs were found to be "incompatible with human dignity and fundamental rights of others".
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5e15e7f8e5274a06b555b8b0/Maya_Forstater__vs_CGD_Europe__Centre_for_Global_Development_and_Masood_Ahmed_-_Judgment.pdf

Rowling put forward public support for Maya Forstater on her twitter with #standwithmaya which has drawn ire from the "TERF" shouting crowd, which Gregor Murray is a part of https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-48295000

Now Rowling has said that "people who menstruate" are generally known by a common name that may have become taboo https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1269382518362509313

Personally I don't agree with Forstater, but I disagree that what she's said is in any way problematic, and I think it's right of Rowling to support her. The "trans" people involved are sorry excuses for human beings, and not because of their gender fluidity.

>>15572494
James Ellroy is still putting out hilariously un-PC books.

>>15574208
You really do write like a tranny bro. lmao did you know the suicide rate for trannies went up to 50%?

>>15576207
give it time. literature is a slow business. this is only the beginning.

>>15578079
Bumping to indulge your tranny fetish is cringe

Trannies need to die for the world to become more advanced.

>>15574046
Why are you making excuses for this shit?

>>15578899
Politics is inherently violent, so if you participate, you're opening yourself up to violence.

>>15573096
Nigga, you clearly haven't done your research. Self-publishing is just about the only way to retain complete creative control over your work. Sure, lots of fuckheads out there publish improperly edited garbage most of the time, but there's some legitimate brilliance mixed in there. The real strategy these days is to self-publish, market your work, and have a publisher come in after you've demonstrated sales. That way, they can't fuck with your IP.

t. guy who rejected two trad. publishing offers

>>15576392
Wait a second, youre telling me in bongland you have "human rights tribunal" a court where you legally prosecute people for posting private messages about trannies. Then get jailed because you posted private messages about trannies? Is that correct? You euros are pathetic

>>15579427
based

JK Rowling's blog post was a litany of mistruths and distortions. You can argue the semantics and impact on society of transgender stuff all day if you want, but don't pretend she's doing anything other than playing armchair-scientist about something she has 0 knowledge about.

https://twitter.com/Carter_AndrewJ/status/1270787941275762689?s=19

As for OP's question, why are you writing? It's daft to try and make a living out of it at any point in history, let alone today. It's always been something that most authors do in their spare time while working a day job. Like anything, you should be doing it because you feel it is the right thing to do, not because of what you personally will get out of it, if the latter is your motivation you don't really want to be a writer, you just want people to see you as cultured and successful. 80% of "making a name for yourself" is nepotism and class, where you started off in society. The other 20% is luck. If you try and chase that as a goal you're doomed to disappoint whatever the outcome. If your work enriches the life of even individual it has been worth it existing. And if you become rich and famous, good. But if you let your happiness rely on it you're fucked.

>>15574046
>Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences
Wat?

>>15576392
Here's a bit more on the case you describe (pic related)

>>15579496

> don't pretend she's doing anything other than playing armchair-scientist about something she has 0 knowledge about.

Just because you read a lot of self-affirming infographics on the internet, does not mean you are more informed about science than Rowling is.

>>15579523
>people are getting fired for supposed transphobic tweets
glad I don't use social media and that cancel culture shit won't be a thing in my country in the next 20 years

>science

>>15579496
>>15579523

Look at the tranny. He's going to spam his pro-tranny imagefolder now.

>>15579523
Also re: 1b, at the end the judge is quoting from the 2010 Equality Act, not pulling a personal belief about what views are acceptable from their ass. Legally the point is that because her speech violated the dignity or wellbeing of a protected characteristic group under the Equality Act, the employer did not break employment law by choosing not to renew her contract.

It's also worth mentioning, before it's brought up as a defence, that because the UK has never had a formal constitution due to the country's gradual evolution over thousands of years, there's no codified "freedom of speech" in the American sense, though there is a broader "freedom of expression" clause in the EU bill of human rights- which ironically the Tories want to withdraw from as part of Brexit. You can say that it's terrible, but don't make it out to be some new, leftist phenomenon. In fact it's hard left groups like the UK Greens who want a formally written constitution to be drawn up.

>>15573447
>>15573447
Fiction has ALWAYS been an element of propaganda. And, for example, english writers - propagandists always, it is no coincidence that so many english writers have worked and are working for intelligence and SIS.

>>15572531
Urine clashed with shit or Escobar's axiom (The first shit, the second - too, it’s better not to choose anything from this)

>>15579427
Supposing you're telling the truth, you'd just be the exception that proves the rule. Most publishers won't touch anything once it's self-published.

I'll humor you. What's the name of your publisher?

>>15579537
She wasn't fired lol

>>15579536
Did I claim to be informed about the science? The difference is I'm not pretending to be, Rowling is. Tell me what is incorrect in the image I posted. Being stubborn enough to wilfully misinform the public on a large scale doesn't make you more right or more clever, it just makes you a pig-headed ideologue. That bad-faith undermining of truth is as detrimental to the structure of this collective act of faith and cooperation we call society as anything transgender people are being accused of.

>>15579496

What makes you think that anybody assumed otherwise? Of course everybody knows shes a writer not a scientist.
She doesn't need to be an expert on anything she's ultimately still just giving her opinion but regardless it's only because she does have real power and influence that she'll be met with a vehement response.
This is the only reason cancel culture exists basically to just shut up the people who disagree with the narrative but also could pose a real threat

I mean, if you are actually good and manage to write a good debut, you could probably become popular through self-publishing, right? Publish some chapters for free and distribute them online, if it's actually good it will probably get some attention? Though I am not sure how much a real publisher helps and how much the author writes himself.

>>15579599
The normie response is overwhelmingly "we gotta listen to the science!" while misquoting or lying about the science, and her omission of key details in virtually every point looks more like design than accident

>>15573357
This is what got her cancelled? Seems hardly controversial.

>>15573673
>>15573684
Ok so shes getting cancelled for some softcore terf tweets.
Cant say overall she didnt deserve it, but for these particular tweets its an overreaction

>>15573709
There was a UCLA professor that is getting got for an email stating he wont allow black students to skip the final exam. And there was another from the same uni that was put on some kind of probation for reading an MLK letter aloud for a history on slavery class, I guess he read out the hard-r as MLK intended.

I want to chuckle at them eating their own but its more worrying than anything tbdesu

>>15579551
Are you retarded or just brain-dead?
Just because there's no written constitution doesn't mean that such freedom is not absolutely protected
The bongish legal system is a cancer upon this world but unwritten constitutions are as legitimate as written ones, especially when they are as firmly established as they are in bongistan

>>15576207
Why are there "aspiring" authers in the 100k+ category

>>15573655
>a majority of people don't give a fuck and it'll never effect you.
Based truth-poster. It took me a while to realize this, but talking to real people helps

>>15574208
If this isnt a tranny, theyve done an excellent job cnvincing me they are.

>>15573684
Why is she tweeting at all? Any kind of figure in the public sphere surrender certain freedoms when they enter that sphere, and speech is one of those rights. "Celebrities" should sign a contract that tells them to shut the fuck up.

>>15572494
is there any good /lit/ news sites / podcasts

that aren't full sjw shit

>>15579523
>belief that sex is determined by biology
>belief
How else would it be determined?

>>15573673
>>15573684
Gender is a social category describing behavioural patterns and methods of presentation usually associated with a certain sex. This is the definition of gender. Now if there is a biological male who feels as a deep and intrinsic part of himself that he is a woman, feels that he wants to act in a feminine manner, wear feminine clothes, take hormones to develop a feminine body, and, in short, structure his life and social presentation in a feminine manner, such a person is considered a woman. The psychological literature supports this idea, but it is in line with our philosophical intuition too. Let us take a thought experiment.
Imagine you’re in a cafe and the waitress, who presents as a woman, brings you your drink. You turn to your companion when the waitress leaves and hope to compliment the waitress. What pronoun would you use? Well you would probably say something like ‘SHE was nice, maybe I’ll tip HER’. But why?Your assignation of womanhood cannot be based on a knowledge of her sex, since you have no access to her genitalia nor any way to know what her chromosomal structure is. But it is also not right to say that you merely INFERRED her sex from her way of presentation and deemed her a woman based on this inference. Rather, all that you took into account was the waitress’s method of presentation, the looks, the tone, the clothing, the voice, the gait, the intonations, the occupation, the behaviour in general — that was the only factor in your calling her a woman. This is what it means to say sex and gender are separate.
It has nothing to do, as J.K. claims, with “getting rid of sex”; it is only a conceptual extrication of gender FROM sex, a distinction that is easy to grasp given some effort and nuanced thinking. It is true that, both because our language is encoded partly to enforce the hegemonic and heteronormative structures, and because the distinction is a relatively new one in our culture, there might be some confusion and muddling with the language used. But transgender theorists — from psychologists to philosophers to the general transgender community — have created a precise lexical field to deal with this issue in day-to-day speech, which will continue to be developed and normalised as transgender communities gain prominence in culture. It is morally imperative for someone like J.K., who has an outreach to millions, to grasp this distinction and to be able to use the language correctly and precisely, so that her words don’t cause unimaginable suffering to transgender people around the world.

>>15579824
Is the Sun small because it presents itself as such to us? Just because the truth is heavily obscured by our senses we shouldn't disregard it.

>>15579846
Are you stupid? That’s utterly irrelevant to anything I said.

>>15579862
Try again.

>>15579640
She also made a lengthy blog post with a lot of dubious and debunked stuff referenced in it

Religion claims that snakes talk (yet that happened thousands of years ago and should be taken as a metaphor)
Science claims that men with mutilated genitals are women (and that should be take very literally).
Looks like religion has more sense.

>>15579980
Liberals are radicalized idiots, but your reasoning doesn't add up. Science backs the claim up with data, which incentives people to take it literally. The only way to fight back against these claims is to present your own data in a charismatic way. Emphasis on charismatic.

>>15579824
I understand what you are getting at. But women and men have different biological processes from each other and they differ severely.
We need sex as to differ between XX and XY chromosomes. Genetic disorders cannot be predicted of you do not know what chromosomes someone is made up of, this is due to millions of genes differ depending on whether someone is a male or female. Should we instead go around calling people XX and XY? I'm sure trannies would find a way to get upset over that

>tfw no TERF MILF gf

>>15579824
Transgenderism is cultural marxism and ideologically motivated social engineering. I used to have a live and let live perspective with regards to these people, fine just men who want to dress up as women and get fucked in the ass big deal. but thenprogressivism began to take a totalitarian turn, the people want anything but to be left alone, nothing but total submission to the progressive ideology will ever satisfy them. Just take a look to the official propaganda coming from the cultural marxist lgbt camp, it id far more deranged and repulsive than anything christian fundamentalists could come up with only ten or 15 years ago. The slippery slope is real.

>>15574031
>>"*Ahem.* Well Mr. Kimmel, fuck niggers, fuck trannies, fuck kikes, and you know what, Jimmy?"
>>"Wh-what is it, sir"
>>"Most especially and above all else FUCK jannies."
Kino combination of racism and jannyism. Well done anon.

>>15579824
A feminine man is still a man. There's no real harm in indulging them though, but things are going way too far with genital mutilation and other sick shit like that. Wear the clothes you want, behave the way you want, I don't give a fuck, but you're a man regardless, and I'm never going to see you or think of you as a woman. "Man" just means "male + huMAN." We call other male animals "male" because they aren't human, and therefore not men. I do believe there are men who have a biological basis for acting feminine. I don't mind that they act feminine. But that doesn't make you a woman, it makes you a naturally feminine man.
Also, I don't actually give a fuck about "man" or "woman" or whatever. You're a PERSON first and foremost. Just be a feminine person regardless of your genitals and shit. But don't try to tell me you're a fucking woman if you've got a dick, and cutting it off doesn't make you a woman either.

>>15580502
>cultural marxism
Stopped reading there. Marxism never has and never will have anything to do with trans shit. Marxism is a theory about economics.

>>15579980
>>15580008
Reminder, this is what the cultural marxist left means when they talk about 'science'.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VtJFb_P2j48

And then think about how they seem to be going after younger and younger children, becoming increasingly censurious of even the slightest dissent from the party line.

>>15580543
Funny, since self proclaimed Marxists today seem to talk way more about trannies and white privilege than economics.i like the term cultural marxism because it pisses all tge right people off.

>>15580561
I know many political Marxists, several of them involved in Marxist political parties and movements, none of them talk about trans shit, they care about worker's rights, taxes, mental healthcare, criminal law and rehabilitation, the environment and stuff like that. Fuck what Twitter armchair ideologists think or say.

>>15579824
>has nothing to do, as J.K. claims, with “getting rid of sex”; it is only a conceptual extrication of gender FROM sex, a distinction that is easy to grasp given some effort and nuanced thinking. It is true that, both because our language is encoded partly to enforce the hegemonic and heteronormative structures, and because the distinction is a relatively new one in our culture, there might be some confusion and muddling with the language used. But transgender theorists — from psychologists to philosophers to the general transgender community — have created a precise lexical field to deal with this issue in day-to-day speech, which will continue to be developed and normalised as transgender communities gain prominence in culture. It is morally imperative for someone like J.K., who has an outreach to millions, to grasp this distinction and to be able to use the language correctly and precisely, so that her words don’t cause unimaginable suffering to transgender people around the world.

Like newspeak in that george orwell book 1984. Its not even about sex, it is an ideologically motivated program of social enginering, a totalitarian religion based on a cult of victimhood and intent on child indoctrination and who knows what else

>>15580673
That's absolutely nothing like Newspeak, you illiterate moron. Don't reference novels you've never read.

>>15580687
Over tge last decade the west has morphed into 1984 bioleninist kultmarx shariah transgender dystopia. Merely to refuse to apologize for being white and straight amounts to a revolutionary act.

>>15580711
Delusional self-pity.

>>15580711
Too many words and concepts, simplify further. You're trying to use less text to express the same amount of concepts, when the point of Newspeak is to limit the conceptual potential of language. If people aren't able to think or talk in nuances or exact concepts, their ability to question things becomes much more limited. Calling everyone on the "political Right" a fascist is more like Newspeak, for example, because it erases important distinctions between the American "Right" and the fascist ideology. All this "muh Left muh Right" bipartisan tribalism is more like Newspeak than anything the trans right community engages in, because it disregards individual ideological distinctions, in favour of binary generalization. What we see in >>15579824
is not an attempt to limit the meaning of language, it just adheres to certain nuanced definitions which you disagree with.

>>15580543
Lol ok

>>15580799
And this is a prime example of what a complete idiot considers logical reasoning. As Dunning-Kruger teaches us, nothing can be said to make this idiot realize that they are in fact an idiot. Only through significant education will they be able to improve their intelligence and knowledge and perhaps one day look back at their past and be able to say, "boy, I sure was an idiot back then."

>>15580543
>>15580799

>>15580797
It is the lgbtqia marxist left which will allow for no dissent, no matter how insignificant and no matter how absurd the party line gets, sure i read marx as a teenager, i supported bernie, but actually having to deal with you people gas led me to the radical right

>>15580841
I'm afraid I don't have time for morons like you, so I'm going to duck out of this one.

>>15580797
Gender is a social construct yet people can be born the wrong gender and masculinity is toxic. It is fucking newspeak.

>>15578998
When everything is considered political, there's really no choice in the matter. Seems like you're trying really hard to justify totalitarian mob rule or deny the reality of what's happening in society.

>>15574136
This. The right to vote used to be restricted to land owners for specifically this reason, unless you own property which can provide a humble means of self sufficiency, you're basically a slave.

>>15574300
Any connection with /lit/ or 4chan in general would kill a potential writer's career in the cradle.

>>15581081
Read 1984 before you reference it. I don't even care about or follow any LGBT but even then I know very well that there are many different takes on these subjects within it. Nobody says "gender is a construct but we're born into the wrong gender," they either say "gender is a construct and doesn't matter so let's get rid of gender pronouns," or they say "I was born into the wrong sex for my gender." They never say both. You're mixing two different perspectives, same way lots of people mix different strains of /pol/ into the same ideology and think they've found contradictions in it.

>>15578803
stay mad and dilate until it's your turn to neck yourself

>>15572494
Leftoids don't deserve to have nice things, and ripping them from their fingers is a pleasure I indulge in constantly. Harry Potter is now Right Wing and if you are a leftoid, so much as enjoying your memories of it is treason.

You get what you deserve--which is nothing. Nothing. We will take everything from you. We will turn everything you love into a symbol of hatred. We will take Lord of the Rings, we will take Harry Potter, we will take Wheel of Time, we will take every minute pleasure you might have ever had and we will either enjoy it ourselves, or simply discard it.

You want to tip over some statues? Okay. We will tip over your childhood. We own ALL culture, and Leftoids have no culture by definition. You are not humans, you are locusts, and the only thing you will EVER be permitted to enjoy is the mash of grain in your mouth at this very moment. Everything in the past is denied you. All of history, all of culture, denied. Forever.

You are in Hell, and you will remain there, eternally, because Hell is the Shitlib, and it wouldn't be Hell if you weren't there. You define it. We used to make FUN of Leftoids for using Harry Potter references for everything--now you can't even do that. What are you going to ruin for yourselves next, Dune? Oh right, none of you have ever read Dune.

>>15581169
>William Fuckley
Embarrassing. Post someone whose ass wasn't torn apart on the regular, both literally and figuratively.

>>15579693
>How else would it be determined?
The two people who disagree get in a fight and God lets whoever is right win. Way better than science.

>>15581137
The way things are going its no longer a question of left and right but between kulmarx prog rule and anyone who dissents on the slightest. I think it is reasonable to ostracize the transgenders if you value personal and intellectual freedom at all.

>>15581137
>Nobody says "gender is a construct but we're born into the wrong gender," they either say "gender is a construct and doesn't matter so let's get rid of gender pronouns," or they say "I was born into the wrong sex for my gender." They never say both. You're mixing two different perspectives, same way lots of people mix different strains of /pol/ into the same ideology and think they've found contradictions in it.
Regardless of consistency, the ideology is toxic and denies the primacy of actual physical being-present-in-the-world. Frankly there's no point in engaging in philosophical debate when it's only used as justification for absolute social and economic alienation of dissenters. I will keep my head down until the pendulum swings back, then I will do everything I can to advocate putting a bullet in the head of every one of you freaks.

>>15573237
You think that’s bad, I once had writer autocorrected to “rider”.

>>15581263
Idiot. I'm not debating the merits and faults of the trans movement, the subject doesn't interest me. I'm just pointing out elementary faults in your moronic attempts to address an intellectually undemanding debate which you've clearly no grasp of.

>>15581084
So violence permeates society. Conduct yourself accordingly and help unfuck the situation, otherwise go back to cowering in your room. You're like a man who complains about being shot, and then squeals at the shooter about how they're breaking the law like it might change their mind.

But most people don't give a fuck, that's the true reality. Get off of Twitter and get away from College Campuses and into the real world, and you'll be much happier kiddo

>>15581263
>putting a bullet in the head of every one of you freaks.
That’s violent. Reported for violence.

>>15572494
>ten years ago, the majority of people wanting to transition to the opposite sex were male. That ratio has now reversed. The UK has experienced a 4400% increase in girls being referred for transitioning treatment. Autistic girls are hugely overrepresented in their numbers.
TRANNIES BTFO

>>15581426
>trannies are literally erasing women from existence
lol

>>15581426
Why girls want to be male now?

>>15572531
It baffles me anyone would care. She's a children's book author writing about magic and wizards and shit. That does not make her an expert or an authority on anything except writing children's books about magic and shit.

Why anyone would give a shit about what she has to say about anything else is just baffling.

>>15581551
Rowling made a billion dollars writing about wizards for children. There are a LOT of people who want to write childish stories about wizards, and they'd sure like some of that money.

>>15573361
No, it's the same modality. Those "controversial translations" were published "despite a generally conservative audience" and then mysteriously became a cause celebre just purely on their own undoubtedly monumental merits because fuck whitey. The exact same "modality" that determines what does and doesn't get published today.

>>15572537
>pull a Kafka
And what does this mean?

>>15582513
Live as a miserable disappointment to your family and beat off to monster porn until you die

>>15572494
Lefties need to be slaughtered en masse

>>15573469
That's gay, you're just pozzing yourself. Go read some Marx and the Quran you fucking onions

>>15581374
The more im bombarded with tranny propaganda the less i see them as human

>>15581312
kys smartass

trannies actually manage to make feminists look reasonable and intelligent, goodness gracious

>>15581312
This is not a debate its a fight to the death between mortal enemies

>>15572494
At least the films were good

>>15572494
>>15582843
Why didn't the "trannies" just genderbend themselves out of the dullest franchise in the history of movie franchises? Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

a-at least the books were good though

"No!" The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.

>>15582513
Write everything, not publishing. Then die, and your friend posthumously pushes for publication

>>15582843
Only the first six. 6 could be nicer if not for the piss poor color grading that makes everything blanched and dark, and 7 was shit for the most part.

>>15573655

God you're a piece of shit. Just utter gaslighting. I've gone to publishing conferences and it's just endless panels about how not to offend people, then watching the sociopaths on those panels start turning on each other live because they got offended over something the other person said, then going to cocktail parties and having catty gay editors from major publishing companies start mocking bisexuals and making rapey sexual comments out in the open about every human walking in the room, then going to parties and having to intervene when a "male feminist" starting screaming at a woman who turned him down when he creepily hit on her. The industry is 90% female which anywhere else you would be saying was systemic discrimination. There are constant social media mobs among publishers. Every agent pretty much hangs out a "no straight white males" sign. You're like a Klan member burning down someone's house and then saying "it's all in your head." You're an evil piece of shit, which is why everyone in traditional publishing is such a piece of shit, because you all rationalize behavior from anyone who says they agree with your politics no matter how shitty it is.

>>15573357
Galen proved the loss of semen was the Male equivalent of menstruation and showed how it takes the body even more energy to produce than blood. So yes, men do menstruate, particularly sexual reprobates who wear dresses engaged in so many perversions that they can't count the number of ejaculations. Sextus Empiricus and his counterparts in Rome further thought the chronic loss of semen feminized the man which is self evident, see how effeminate "regular" faggots are. Also if you coom 5 times a day for months on end you get leakage which necessitates underwear. This is why homosexuals and trannies have the disgusting bleach smell about them. So in poing of fact, the bitch AND the LGBTP community are BOTH wrong. *ashes cigar*. Here is some advice that will make the plebs seeth, conserve your vital fluids. It isn't a meme even though Hollywood movies and inferior people have mocked it time immemorial. Read Think and Grow Rich, ignore soīyboy Twitter feuds involving midwits of all flavors, no matter how you square it, they are all wrong.

>>15572537
Nah, play coy about being jewish. The only downfall of being a S.W.M is that you'll be passed over for awards by subpar writers of color

>>15579824
>But it is also not right to say that you merely INFERRED her sex from her way of presentation and deemed her a woman based on this inference. Rather, all that you took into account was the waitress’s method of presentation, the looks, the tone, the clothing, the voice, the gait, the intonations, the occupation, the behaviour in general — that was the only factor in your calling her a woman.
Lol, what? Those two sentences contradict each other. What happened was literally just the inference of sex based on phenotype. If the 'waitress' was wearing blackface, you might also falsely infer 'her' autosomal genetic background. Same shit.

>>15579436
It was part of an employment tribunal process. There's the ECHR too that is a higher court in Europe that issues can be elevated to.

Human rights in the UK is a very important concept in the culture and law, but I'm not going to make out I can give you a decent overview because it isn't separate from other processes lower down generally.

>>15579523
>she did not "lose her job" (she was a contract worker, her contract was not renewed)
>>15579551
>Legally the point is that because her speech violated the dignity or wellbeing of a protected characteristic group under the Equality Act, the employer did not break employment law by choosing not to renew her contract.
So some may have noticed a contradiction there. The employer seems to have had a duty to renew or award the contract, this can happen where public funds are involved, and they had explicitly stated they didn't renew due to her speech acts. On the legality, there aren't protected groups, they are protected characteristics full stop. The England & Wales legislation avoids sticking people in arbitrary groups, unlike similar legislation in the US, it keeps it open to against an individual or group that share a characteristic, and similar helps the language stay open with respect to characteristics (so for example you can be discriminatory against old, white, males and fall afoul of the legislation in theory [rarely in practice, but sometimes]). That's why there was a request for clarification anyway, because it was relevant to the renewal of the contract.

>>15583109
>based on phenotype
You are using phenotype in a way too broad sense m80.

>>15583049
It's weird, biology and life sciences is now heavily female and there's nearly no cattiness at all. Really nice people. Underpaid as fuck, but nice.

>>15583144
Nope. Phenotype = the composite observable characteristics or traits of an organism. Read a book.

>>15583049
As Too Short says: Get in where you fit in. Sounds like that's not your crowd. Try another line of work.

>>15583164
>characteristics
That's one of the important terms in your own definition. Most of the things you describe you couldn't put down as a characteristic beyond "she walks... like a girl. It's the gait... of a woman" etc etc.

It's wrong anyway, I would recommend reading Dawkins' opening to The Extended Phenotype, it gives you a good overview.

>>15583049
Good post.

>>15583209
Lol, what? If "she" didn't exhibit stereotypically female physical and behavioral characteristics, there'd be no grounds for inferring "her" sex in the first place.

>>15583238
It nevertheless doesn't make them phenotypes.

>>15583241
Of course it does. All outward physical and behavior characteristics are part of the organism's phenotype.

>>15583188

>Hollywood spends decades refusing to hire black people for key positions
>Guess they're not black people's crowd, try another line of work

Like I said, utter pieces of shit.

>>15579824
Wow what an educated post.
Not a tranny or faggot queer or anything, just took a gender studies class in university once and appreciate it.

>>15583253
>characteristics
>a feature or quality belonging typically to a person, place, or thing and serving to identify them.
I am an ayy lmao, describe to me how I tell a lady from a lord.

>>15576392

>>15572909
The reason it's transphobic is that its a strawman; nothing in gender theory asserts that sex isn't real

>>15583162
> Tfw no plain looking biochemistry gf with vaguely autistic mannerisms

>>15572531
https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

>>15573655
so this is what gaslighting is like

>>15572494
In the 1980s, Before the days of hormone replacement and surgery to cut of your dick everyone called them drag queens. Now the Left wants to create all new genders for people with emotional problems. Chopping your dick off and playing dress up as a woman doesnt make you a woman. It makes you a dude that chopped off his dick.

>>15572494
How can I find self published books? And quality ones too

>>15583604
>gender theory

Imagine having a “theory” about gender. Fucking idiot. There is a man and a woman, thats it. Leftist unscience and denial of biology is pure mind fuckery preying on the young and stupid.

>>15583911
>There is a man and a woman
That is sex, not gender.

>>15574046
>Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

You can say what you want as long as it's what I want you to say or you get the boot to your throat.

>>15583049
Based. Conferences are a fuckin’ disgrace; publishers ought to be hanged; agents get their own circle in hell.

As awful as it sounds, self-publishing is the way to go. Even then, Amazon strong-arms you into using KDP (you need to sell on Amazon), and they’ve started censoring books. Things aren’t lookin’ great for us, boys.

>>15572494
If you're a CISWASP, then yes.

>>15583883
UnbeLIEVably b-b-b-b-based.

>>15583049
>I've gone to publishing conferences and it's just endless panels about how not to offend people, then watching the sociopaths on those panels start turning on each other live because they got offended over something the other person said

That Writing Excuses episode where Mary-Robinette gets triggered by Patrick Rothfuss

>>15572494
Just the opposite. Self-publishing doesn't work without you focusing on marketing, so you'll have to spend most of the time on that instead of writing.

Also why mixing /pol/ shit into a thread about publishing?

>>15583883
AFAIK drag queens are just men who want to dress up as women. Trannies got a legitimate condition which makes them hate their own body.

>>15583758
Either that or autistic weeb neet trans gf

>>15584047
no

>>15579824
gender determines your behavior without society.
society can place superficial norms on genders, so that the natural behaviours of the genders, can effectively navigate societies more complex than evolution alone can facilitate, these norms exist where evolution has not yet met the requirements of advanced complex civilisations.

imagine a cafe? no. trannies imagine cafes and how other people in a complex society are imagined to think one thing or another, what unfolds in cafes has no meaning, compared to, and what JK was referring to, women suffering violence because they are targeted for rape, these are base animal kingdom functions, suffered by billions of people, which western trannies in cafes with their brains in a spin on virtue signal media have no consideration for.

how many women are dying right now, so another western media tranny can point the finite spotlight of human attention to affect change on a dilating wound, while mentally brain aches for the orifice advantage to materialize, and grant them any wish they want of society, it's the peak of selfishness

>>15579824
yep ww3 needs to start like right now so these fucking sophists can be sent to rehabilitation.

>>15584562
>trannies trigger me so hard, I want to start a war
Oof.

>>15574271
They are gay in the literal sense of the word

>>15584261
Most women are get murdered and raped by basic ass men, usually ones who buy into patriarchy. Not trannies, who probably cut off their dick and would suck at raping, while their hormone mess would make them less aggressive, hence also less likely to murder anyone.

>>15584609
yes

>>15581353
People 'complaining' about the situation publicly is exactly how they organize and start a counter movement.

Also imagine in the wake of the past couple weeks making the old 'it's just on twitter/campus' argument.

>>15579523
this is even funnier against the backdrop of the slow islamic conquest of the UK

>>15584779
Can't the muslims just get it over already? Its taking way too long imo

>>15584047
Its the taboo aspect plus the prospect of someone who is as perverted and retarded as i am

>>15584609
"Yes"

>>15573673
no idea who liam dryden is but he looks like an absolute fucking faggot.

>>15580543
>>15580561
>pisses the right people off
It really does. There was a page describing cultural marxism and its structure on wikipedia once but it got deleted. People kept trying to remake it so eventually they stuffed it into the bottom of the page on the Frankfurt school and heavily annotated it as "conspiracy theory only believed by antisemites".

>>15574362
reading is for gays

>>15576207
>chance of being an aspiring author making over 100 000$ are higher than zero
brb writing a book right now

>>15585186
It doesn't real though.

>>15572494
not that viable, from what ive heard

>>15573361
>Societies can have different modalities of cultural consensus, sometimes the consensus is such that D.H. Lawrence or George Eliot's controversial translations of atheist and secularist writings can get published and become a cause celebre overnight despite a generally conservative audience because there is an informal consensus among the literati and intelligentsia that dissent should be tolerated, but sometimes the consensus is a rigidly puritanical, ideologically conformist, dogmatic etc. And sometimes the wishes of the literati/intelligentsia simply have no organic relation to the wishes of the reading public, and they artificially stifle publications for a while.
>
>We're living under that third type of relationship between publishers and readers. It only holds on so long as those people hold the reins of power through money and influence. You can wait for them to be toppled or participate in toppling them.
>
>In former times it would be enough to create your own press, fund it at any cost, and build a reading audience by being known as a dissenting voice. Nowadays the reading public is much smaller and more atomized and instead of one or two organs of dissent, around which many dissenting voices can coalesce, there are thousands of tiny organs too small to get anywhere. We need another journal like Orage's New Age or someone like Eliot to organize a generation of promising figures. Not yet another fucking blog.

>>DUES EX

>>15579679
Because she has FUCK YOU money.

>>15585228
Does that matter?

>>15585386
>does it matter if an encyclopedia includes nonsense that a /pol/tard made up

>>15585186
Isn't there a /pol/ak wiki? If anyone wants to read about shizo fantasies, they will find the stuff. Why should normal people get the shit shoved down their throat?

>>15585517
The existence of a wikipedia page is not anything being shoveled down anyone's throat. You would have to go seek it out yourself.

Wikipedia is bizarrely censorious even of completely apolitical topics

>>15585517
Normal people get cultural marxism and ridiculous antiwhite lgbtpaedophile propaganda shoved down their troats by the corporate establishment every fucking day and get their lives ruined for daring to even mildly dissent from the party line. Muh politically correct victim lifestyle aggresively backed by all major corporations! I mean wouldnt it just feel great if we could just line all those freaks in a neat row and do their faggy pink haired skulls in with bricks?

>>15576207
From what I read, the marketing is minimal unless you're also getting a fat advance aka. they actually believe your book will have a return for them. Usually it doesn't, so most published writers are just as irrelevant as self-published ones.

Why would anyone even write for money when you can ensure a decent income as a webdev or a code monkey with 1/100 of the effort.

>>15579666
Asking the real questions there, Satan.

>>15585531
Depends where it is. Though sure, a specific "Cultural Marxism - aut-right theory" page doesn't sound too bad, and makes more sense than an entry after Frankfurt.

Maybe it was the wording and the argument itself?

>>15579496

>>15585715
This ain't the "write what's on your mind" nor a critique thread.

>>15579824
nice copypasta retard, go back to living with the gremlins under the bridge

>>15573390
>Why do you need to bother with politics to begin with? There's a problem of narcissism among people these days where they assume their opinions or thoughts matter enough to scream across the world. If you feel the need to shout your politics from the rooftops, you should be ready to fight for them, and if you're unwilling to do that, shut the fuck up and keep looking at the ground. You want to be an author? Learn some decorum.

Unfortunately making statements on every political event has become the accepted standard. People who have any decent following on social media and choose to remain silent about political issues get attacked for not saying anything.

>>15583049
Publishing conferences is not the same as the process of getting published. You're projecting your fantasies and fears on to me, because I'm certainly not a Leftist or Liberal. It only goes to show how you hope this is the case.

Take a deep breath. Get outside. Stop living in a fantasy world.

Any good videos of panels where these nutters start backstabbing? I'm in the mood for some schadenfreude.

>>15572494
Wildbow makes >$6000/mo on Patreon from writing webnovels where he publishes a new chapter twice a week. If you've got the work ethic and talent, it's a good living.

>>15586082

Stop LARPing as someone who knows anything about the publishing industry. The people who attend publishing conferences are the people who do the publishing. When you go to one, which you clearly have not, you are talking to editors, agents, and traditionally published writers. You know nothing about anything which is why you have nothing to say other than "nu-uh."

>>15573293
>that's why you'll find a lot more interesting readings by self-published authors on the internet than in the bookstores.

I have unironically found this to be true. It can be hard to find the quality works. But of all the books I read published within the past 5 years, only the self-published ones were worth reading.

>>15586263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9dA6E3fJw

>>15586852
Responding to an accusation of projection with...More projection. Me think the lady doth protest too much. :)

>>15572494
>Left-Wing people are so cultureless that they have to rely on made-up stories to give them a worldview

>Because things get worse over time they can't use anything older than one lifetime because it automatically becomes racist and sexist and right-wing

There is a certain pleasure to watching Left-wing trash cope with this. You slit the throat of your own culture and replaced the blood that poured out with shit, and now you have your reward.

>>15572494
Self-publishing won't make you any money and it won't make you famous, either.

>>15576207
>I have my copy of the Wizardology, Dragonology, and other ology books right next to me, that I saved from childhood

>>15578659
>literature is a slow business.
Yes. It's also slowing. Making money off what you publish is impossible for an ever growing number of writers.

>>15573145
Largely it hasn't.

>>15572494
Holy fuck the amount of trannies ITT is beyond astounding. Looks like they've already infested this board as well, it's like a fucking plague or something

>>15587745
Don't fear the tranny, he is a tourist and cannot stay in any one environment for long, because everybody hates him too much. Trannies are always on edge and making a big spectacle of themselves because everybody hates them and wants them to leave. This is why they seem so prominent sometimes. They're a vocal minority by necessity.

>>15587745
I don't understand why milquetoast center-left types are even here. What can you say and do here that you couldn't say or do on Reddit?

>>15587829
I prefer a diversity of opinions on 4chan ideally. I don't want this place becoming an echo chamber. I don't like herdthinking faggots of any persuasion, left or right.

>>15587829
Trannies are not milquetoast center-left. They hold exclusively fringe and retarded political views.

>>15587763
I've never seen someone with such a fetish for trans before. Since you're insisting, I'll play pretend the part for you. I want you to imagine my mutilated penis and hair topped breasts blushing for you, is that doing it? Or do you prefer FtM? :)

>>15587886
Do you want a serious answer? The "FtMs" I've met online were all dangerously unhappy people who wanted to be sexually degraded by a "real man" and it made me feel awful for them. As for "MtF," you are a gay man taking his transvestitism fetish to the point of mutilating yourself.

Take a look into suicide rates for promiscuous gay men as they age. The reason trannies kill themselves isn't just that they're neurotic depressed internet people who got swept up in a cult, it's also that a lifestyle based on being a fat gay guy who says "uwu :3 fuck my boipussy daddy" on twitter with an anime avatar is not sustainable. In your thirties you are going to realize most of life is not spent as a cute sexy young girl, even for beautiful women. Most of life is spent as a boring unsexual adult pursuing your life goals and raising a family, things you can't do if you mutilate your penis and destroy your brain and body with hormone therapy.

Trannies are furries but worse. Deprogram yourself before it's too late.

>>15587899
You were just waiting to spill that all out, weren't you? Too scared and too timid to say it to any real tranny on Twitter, instead making believe an Anon is one so that you can feel like you're lashing out at your enemy, when really you're just showing your sexual proclivity for trannies on the whole. I find it gross, but a man's entitled to his fetishes, and so I give you an e-pat on the back for being so open.

>>15587899
Can you post those suicide rates for me? I am not the person you're talking to, but I saw this point made before and all I could find is statistics of suicide rates of people back when HRT wasn't readily available. My impression at the moment is that the men who are able to receive hormone therapy early on largely make it through adulthood, barring all the physiological side effects that HRT has which can lead to earlier mortality (e.g. blood clots).

>>15587927
Listen, I'd fuck a chick with a dick any time of the day (1% of trannies) and I'm >>15587928, i.e. not the guy you're talking to. But what's up with this insistence that everyone who hates trannies must secretly want to fuck them? Is it because your entire conceptualization of the world revolves around sex? Surely you're able to hate gays or trannies without some secret desire for them, the insinuation that it necessarily is otherwise is Reddit tier.

>>15587935
Most of the time it's true that those who hate Trans people don't want to fuck them. But in the case of >>15587899 This is a man who wants to fuck a Transperson and the hate is a part of it.

>>15587958
If that belief helps you cope with what he says, ok. I think it's ridiculous and would expect of anyone on /lit/ to be able to know it.

>>15573684
what kind of retard keeps looking at tranny studies for 3 years?

>>15572494
cope

>>15587927
>>15587958

>gets outright obliterated in a respond so the only counter-argument he can make is "u-uhhhh... y-you... hate t-trannies because you w-want to f-fuck them!!! 11!!!!"
The absolute mental state

>>15588031
:)

>>15573281
>And 'The Shack' and 'The Martian'
are't good.

>>15573293
>. Nowaday's market is mainly dictated by the shitty romance/erotica genre, and the rest is filled by some cheap generic crime/mystery thrillers that usually follow the same mundane plot structures and themes like Dan Brown's novels for example
great literature has never been the majority of literature printed and sold.

>>15580543
thats why marx and engles wrote so much nonsense about social issue then. abolish the family goy.

>>15579679
because she doesn't care what they think and nothing is more based than angering the spiteful mutants on twitter.

>>15573723
I can name 5 from several single authors. example: Tito Perdue's Williams' House quartet and The Philatelist, top rate work.

>>15584635
tru

>>15574362
i cant read

>>15587697
the obvious result of publishing more works

>>15579436
we have them in leaflistan too. you can't be jailed iirc, but they can extract exorbitant fines from you. and it is not a traditional court with any legitimate justice.

>>15574208
Damn I'm not the guy arguing with you but this is super tranny meming level tier here. It's some sort of combo of cutesy psychosis and Reddit trolling. Seriously kill yourself. Of course a tranny would threaten some weird rape situation in a cringey manner, who else? If what the others say is true and you're just pretending well you're doing it too well. Look tranny bruh JK Rowling might be a TERF but she's not taking your titty Skittles away so just fuck off and dilate ok?

>>15583926
"Gender" is pure pseudoscience.

>>15582843
Dunno about that. The first films haven't aged well. I remember seeing Half Blood Prince on a plane and it looked absolutely directed and edited by hacks. Didn't watch any after that cause I could tell the series in general was bad and I wasn't a fan in the first place but seeing the ones that I did I was amazed for a billion dollar franchise it was pretty shit.

>>15587105
>Everyone not right is left
Is this a mutt joke I’m too white to understand?

>>15588340
samefag

>>15588557
Sure thing sametranny. I literally read this thread twenty minutes ago. Go shit up some thread on /lgbt/ faggot

>>15586965
Ty senpai

>>15572494
Yes, but you will have to get in the "dirty business" of ceaselessly promoting your book. Even successful authors like Harari have to keep the cash rolling through speaking engagements and not book sales. Only lightning-in-a-bottle authors like Rowling become rich off their craft. You might as well play the lottery

>>15588646
:)

>>15573096
Only if you care more about being an "esteemed writer" than having people actually read your books.

>>15582532
Back to /d/ I guess

>>15573684
>>15573673
Help slowpoke here
Technically only woman menstruate. Biological trans arent Biological woman like at all.
People are butthurt because she exclude trans?
I don't understand the sex is not real thing

>>15588682
If you only care about people reading your books, your concern isn't quality. So yeah, it's really for people who don't mind shitty writing.

>>15588795
I think they are more mad because she is saying women are the ones who mestruate, meaning:
1. MtF are not "women"
2. FTM are not "men"
Which is invalidating to both sides of that sad little self-mutilation clique.

>>15588803
Well, wanting people to read your books presupposes you think it's worth reading, and therefore you believe you've written something of quality

>>15588834
The thing with traditional publishing is, you're given an Editor and an Agent who both look over your work to give you feedback. And then on top of all that, you're given marketing.

So if you're looking to do that all on your own, good luck. No one can accurately judge their own works. And no, enlisting a friend for help isn't the same thing as an Editor, sorry.

>>15588372
You ever having sex is pure pseudoscience

>>15589034
I mean, you can hire an editor but it's still a joke.

>>15589113
Everyone I know that has been published or down the road of being published has never had to hire an editor, the publishers/agents sort that out for you.

>>15589138
Well obviously, I'm talking about the self-published fags. A lot of their shit would be at least passable if the fuckers hired a freelancer.

>>15589161
Oh, I see what you mean. I see people on the net recommending hiring an editor a lot, I worry that lot of these people are wasting their money before approaching established publishers.

>>15589229
Isn't it sort of a selffulfilling prophecy either way? If someone is professional and patient enough to work with traditional publishers, they would do their research. For people who just want to get a book out … well, they might as well do the extra step with freelancer in hopes it won't be embarrassingly shit.

>>15589303
But then what about marketing? What about getting it printed?

>>15589113
A freelance editor who's unvetted. Hmm...Now use your brain here, friend...

>>15589303
>If someone is professional and patient enough to work with traditional publishers, they would do their research.
I think nearly every person I know who got a publishing deal (even just starting down the process of getting one) it was through serendipity or word of mouth or similar. I think you probably do better if you actively seek out publishing agents or go down the magazine submission route, but a lot of people just fall into having a book published.

>>15572872
topkek

What's the point of intelligence if people so well educated and high iq can fall for such obvious nonsense as this shit?

>>15591172
Have you considered that they aren't wrong and maybe you are?

>>15591547
Yeah I did but I came to the conclusion that they were actually wrong pretty quickly.

>>15591626
based

>>15591626
Maybe try to have a deeper look at it. "N-no, the scientists all jumped on a niche agenda" isn't a position you can support to well without looking for a conspiracy and a conspiracy for the conspiracy everywhere.

>>15591648
Quiet tranny

>>15591656
Flawless point. Alternative facts it is.

>>15591672
You have gyno, you are not a woman and never will be.

>>15591680
And yet YOU are the one obsessed by it for some reason. Why?

>>15591701
Because you're a man with gyno who thinks he's a woman. Never been to a carnival and seen the bearded lady?

>>15591701
Probably because seriously mentally ill people want to be taken seriously and they are.

>>15591717
>noisy crowds full of drunk retards
Not a fan tbqh. Generally I don't think I ever saw a tranny irl, maybe some crossdressers (I guess they could be low effort trannies) and someone who was unironically intersex but mostly passed for a manly woman.

And since none of them were attractive, I didn't think about them twice. Why would you obsess about trannies and bearded ladies? Is there some religious dogma that tells you to hate them? Did you get bullied by one?

>>15591752
But where is the relevant part? Let's assume trannies are objectively wrong, would calling them by their preferred pronoun really cause such anguish that you and similar people have to bitch about it all the time? Do you happen to live in tranny-town when every third person has their own pronoun so it becomes at least mentally tasking?

Of all the things to get mad about, trannies don't make too much sense due their numbers alone.

>>15591755
Because they're mentally ill. It's good to point out the mental illness of mentally ill people.

>>15591779
Quiet tranny.

>>15591807
So basically it's a defence mechanism to draw your attention away from your own mental illness? Fuck, that's just disappointing and dull. No clue why I expected anything better.

>>15591779
>>15591831
The reason why it upsets him so much is because he's European, and they're prone to strange sexual desires.
>>15591807
Poor baby boy. Eurocuck. :(

>>15591918
Idk man, I'm an Euro myself and don't know anyone who has strong feelings about trannies. Most never saw one and some wonder how it all works.

>>15591648
Okay, what's your position? What's the 'deeper look'?
I don't think scientists all jumped on a niche agenda as part of a conspiracy theory. Large groups of people can believe in complete bullshit without it being a conspiracy.

>>15591831
>>15591918
Trannies.

>>15592033
Trannies are much more common in the US especially in universities. Any place that has gay degenerate men and panders to their delusions instead of helping them.

>>15592040
I don't have much of a position beyond "let's treat people like people". Never found the topic too relevant or interesting (although the way surgeons turn dicks into pussies is fucking fascinating, especially because it's not even that of a modern procedure) and from a quick research about the scientists perspective, it seems trannies are mostly right in cutting their dicks and asking to be seen as women due the brain chemistry and whatever else; while the more social side of sex-gender mess obviously has more room for debate due how the terms are used in practice. In the end I don't care enough to get deeper into it and read research what effect it'd have on the tranny community to be labeled as women vs trans-women vs whatever the fuck else – it seems as simple as "group X wants to be called Y" and none of the terf arguments against it seem too convincing, so why the fuck not just call them Y and be done with it.

Not even sure if I'd care more if it affected me personally somehow, say some crazy tranny calling me transphobic for not wanting to do them … as long it's not the position of the entire community, who cares.

> Large groups of people can believe in complete bullshit without it being a conspiracy.
Sure but we're talking about a large group of scientists when it comes to the whole dysphoria part; and in the recent times it wasn't that common for so many to be completely wrong. Though sure, it's reasonable to assume that while they got the direction right, their details aren't top notch. I doubt a lot of research bucks is going into this shit.

>>15592089
Aren't they still about 1% there too? Or is there something about mutt genes/nutrition/environment that makes Burgers more affected?

Besides again, what do they even do? Some aren't too pleasant on the aesthetic side – but in a country with 70% fatties, most people aren't. Are muh pronouns really enough of an issue to hate on someone?

>>15588819
so, why is it wrong to not validate them? I get that it isn't what they want, but are they right? are trans women real women?

>>15581521
because gender identity is in no small part socially constructed, and in todays culture, if you're a girl with masculine traits and interests you are more likely to be gaslit into thinking that you're trans rather than just a tomboy.

>>15592243
You're not going to gaslight someone minimally stable into changing your gender … and if you're that labile to consider it from talking to trannies; you would at least have enough issues to consider getting a therapist who helps you to see what's up.

>>15592259
Sexuality is literally just a conceptual landscape of signifiers, it's a language people have to organically develop as they grow up. Consequently, gender identity is in kids isn't as stable as it looks, particularly if they're somewhat autistic. that's not the exception, it's the default. Obviously I'm not going to easily change your gender if you have already developed a personal language of sexuality that you have confidence in. That being said, adults who don't have that confidence are still vulnerable to re-framing.

>>15592392
But since it's such a huge spectrum, you're more likely to go from tomboy to gender fluid or manly-girl or whatever the cool new thing is. I have a really hard time picturing someone who doesn't already have massive mental issues to be talked into changing the thing completely.

Hell, I even know a few girls who grew up really unhappy about being a girl but it was more of a shame thing (eww I'm weak, eww they gonna see my boobs, eww they expect me to be a baby machine) than the disgust with their body real trannies feel. With all the info available now, they would probably find info to deal with it better instead of transforming.

>>15581426
Wow. So many of these carrots. Why does he do this, anons?

>>15587069
Well why don't you give an example that counters his experiences? At least he's offering his perspective. All you're doing is contradicting him without offering any insight of your own or contributing to the discussion.