/lit/ - Literature

>>15771479
The Republic is not an instruction manual

>>15771489
It's a map of the soul.

>>15771489
It should be. Planned economy, eugenics, philosophy kingdoms are all for the benefit of society. Maybe if you weren't a tubby fucking lardass shit for brains you wouldn't have to be liquidated.

>>15771479
name one bad idea in republic other than "artists are bad bc they arent philosophers"

>>15771609
It's not that they aren't philosophers but that they portray a false version of history and can be considered sacrilege to Greeks at that time and people who view the Divine as inherently good.

>>15771479
I like his philosophy because it says that when I have a profound realization, it means I just got closer to the One Eternal Truth™ and anyone who disagrees with my new insight just lives in the shadow world and doesn't know what's good for them. (The REALLY cool thing is that this works even when my insight or realization is completely wrong. Which it isn't, of course.)

>>15771623
based retard

>>15771609
>There shouldn't be families among city guards. Everyone should fuck everyone without any marital affairs. Their children shouldn't know their mother and father.

>>15771609
>name one bad idea in republic
women ruling

>>15771653
It's not just women though. It's specific women (and men) - the very top of the top.

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>>15771479
>Niggerly the nigger nigs.
-Socrates, “On My Time in an Athenian Prison”

>>15771609
>"artists are bad bc they arent philosophers"
This is true.

>>15771707
It’s funny because the people inhabiting the cave are not unable to see, they just don’t want to do anything differently. It’s a choice

>>15771653
>>15771642
>noooooo my hecking familiarinooooo, AAAAAAAAAA not the philosopher wahmen IM GOING INSAAAAANEEEEEE

>>15771716
At best that is a complete simplification of what he said.

>>15771717
based retard

>>15771728
>can't articulate a counter argument
>better give a meme answer

>>15771741
Proof? Each person in the cave is physically able to see, which in the analogy means each person is able to contemplate being/forms

>>15771764
there was no argument to start with, dipshit

>>15771771
They can leave the cave if they want but thry do not want to. They are much too unwilling to confront the truth of philosophy

>>15771787
Does that in any way, shape, or form contradict what I said in either of my posts?

>>15771609
The part were some number is the perfect number and all should be done according to it. I can't really remember but I am certain some autist here knows what I mean or has at least a version at hand to check for it

>>15772215
It was a set of numbers. 1X2= 2 2X2 = 4 2X3 = 6

And so on.

One quote from Machiavelli
>Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred; because he can endure very well being feared whilst he is not hated, which will always be as long as he abstains from the property of his citizens and subjects and from their women.
>But when it is necessary for him to proceed against the life of someone, he must do it on proper justification and for manifest cause, but above all things he must keep his hands off the property of others, because men more quickly forget the death of their father than the loss of their patrimony.
is wiser than all such (anti)utopias and it shows why they will always fail.

>>15771479
>people still think of The Republic as a political work

>>15772296
Yes, they should.

>>15772296
>I'm going to make all these arguments for eugenics and against free trade but really I don't mean it because this is just a metaphor

>>15771728
Visit the state orphanages and you will see the feasibility of producing great citizens without parents.

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>>15772375
Orphanages are usually lower class and don't get decent funding. Socrates wanted the ruling intelligentsia class to have their children raised this way. The complete opposite.

>>15772375
this analogy is so bad

>>15771642
That’s not what se said at all. He wants the ruling class to only have sex once per year so that they can produce the next generation of rulers.

>>15771479
>He has pretty sick ideas in Republic.

The free love concept is pretty shit but everything else in there is correct.

>>15771479
Some of his specific ideas are odd if you analyze them against contemporary culture. e.g. he could have never known that we would be dumb enough to try a relativist multi-cultural democracy with a resentful lower class. His proto-fascist themes of an hierarchical soul and society will prove to be timeless.

>>15772982
>real Plato was never tried!

>>15773005
Looks like you forgot the book. Read it again.