/lit/ - Literature

What made her snap, was she always against dicksplitting and sock dicks but just quiet about it?

>>15782565
trans activists took the 'woe is me' mantle from the radfems, and it pissed a lot of them off

>>15782546
When the 2nd plane hit the dilation station it changed America forever.

Holy based. Which Harry Potter book talks more about this?

>>15782565
Trannies overshadowing real women in the movement. She doesn't like how they are trying to take over feminism but I guess it was inevitable: men, despite being chemically or physically castrated, tend to boss us around.
Get'em Joanne.

>>15782605
you need to be bossed around all women are whores with the mind of a child. Only a man can truly run a successful feminist movement

>>15782546
There’s already a thread for this.

>>15782619
voilà

People on both sides willingly misinterpret her opinion for clicks.

She thinks that hormone therapy is overprescribed and that giving men the ability to simply identify as female on a whim are dangerous trends that you're not able to challenge without getting a shitstorm raging at your doorstep. And she's constantly proven right.

>>15782629
The prodigal return. We missed you.

>>15782645

>>15782546
>Hormone prescriptions are the new antidepressants. Yes they are sometimes necessary and lifesaving, but they should be a last resort - not the first option. Pure laziness for those who would rather medicate than put in the time and effort to heal people’s minds.
I always thought she was a stupid bitch but it turns out she's actually kind of redpilled, has she been kidnapped and replaced?

It's about time J.K returned to the dark side

>>15782546
blimey she wrote a whole series of them. the last one is a whole fucking salt mine. i love her more than ever.
shame that she mixed these up with the stuff about her new book. she should have created a separate account or something.

OMG! She is literally Dumbledoor!
So bigoted. I though Harry Potter was supposed to be a warning not an instruction manual?!

>>15782786
post salty comments

>>15782833
there are actually quite a lot of supportive comments too

>>15782546
Her recent article on her website was very well thought out and very well written. I've always liked her and her work, and yes, especially because here mere existence makes incels seethe. She's absolutely right about the toxicity in the trans community and how they completely hijacked feminism and set the progress back decades. If any of you are old enough to remember, the 90s was probably the best decade yet for feminists. Much work was being done across the board in workplace equality, but then out of nowhere comes the trans activists, who in their desire to separate themselves from feminism, claimed women were being invasive of their space.

>>15782734
This comment mostly >>15782648

Trans is fake syndrome. I don't know much about ftm because it's not discussed as much, but trans mtf are extensively:
1. Homosexual men who are ashamed of their homosexuality and use transsexualism as a cover (I'm not gay, I like men because I'm actually a woman in a man's body)
2. Men who are sexually aroused by the concept of possessing female genitalia or romanticize the possession of female genitalia
3. Men who are emotionally abused or psychologically traumatized to believe their body is bad or makes them vulnerable (men who grew up with abusive fathers and believe men and male bodies are inherently "violent", had mothers who wanted female children and emotionally abused them for not being female, or were sexually abused by male pederasts and think they need to "become female" to protect themselves and/or associate their bodies with shame due to the abuse)
4. Men who are low-value sexually and idealize women, believe they can move up the sexual hierarchy by becoming female (e.g., Chris-Chan)
5. Men who are extremely predatory but in denial or unwilling to confront this fact so they believe they can have more sex with women by becoming a woman. (also Chris-Chan but plenty of others as well)

I've also heard of cases where men who were emotionally neglected during childhood, or social outcasts later in life, may idealize feminine traits because they perceive females as getting more attention/social interaction.
Presumably many of these apply to women as well. I can imagine lesbian women, ashamed or in denial of this fact, declaring they must really be men, not gay. I'd also HEAVILY suspect that trans ftm women are likely to have been sexually molested or raped during childhood, and feel they need to "become male" to protect themselves.

If you want to support and protect women as a radical feminist, what do you do? You fight men who idealize, romanticize, or fetishize female traits. Who devalue your femininity by believing you can just drill a hole in your crotch to "become a woman". Who take advantage of a naive legal approach to this issue to force women into unfair or predatory situations. You also try to stop woman who have been abused from internalizing the abuse through the destruction of their own bodies, or to accept that it's okay for them to want to have sex with other women.

>>15782546
Thank God for her, maybe she can save these poor souls from themselves

>>15782762
segregation of wizarding races and muggles when?

>>15782546
stinky trannies

>>15782546
It's unfathomable how someone can go from absolute cringe to incredibly based with such propensity

>>15783005
>unfathomable
This speak to your single issue mindset

>>15783005
Have you ever gone a moment in your life without thinking about shemale cock?

>>15783030
No.

>>15783005
"If you stare into the abyss for too long..."

>>15782546
I will now read Harry Potter

>hurry putter getting cancelled over a shitpost
>calls for dox on JKKK Rowling's family
>"we're the good guys!" #theresistance!

>>15782645
viola

>>15783375
>Andrew "Chadicus Rex" Cortes Retweeted

>>15782629
Shut the fuck up

How can she be so inconsiderate of her fans?

JKKK Rowling is an anti tranny subhuman. Cancel her now.

>>15783456
lmao

>>15783375
They are right, not even Sauron would be as evil as this bitch is being right on social media.

>>15782629
Nigger

>>15782998
she cute

>>15782605
Reap what your have sown lmao

>>15782546
Holy shit she´s neck deep into the TERF cult...

>>15783552
>thinking that taking hormone blockers has long term consequences means you're part of a cult
It's a completely sensible thing to believe.

>>15783456

>>15783566
It´s virtue signaling like 13/50 ing, that´s the point.
Everyone knows there´s risks, but she doesnt trust women with being able to decide.

>>15783456
>>15783456
Imagine all the trouble we could had acoided had we only made all those trans people read jg ballard instead of jk rowling

>>15783580
>virtue signalling
>13/50
How can one use a term this incorrectly? Is there a single thing seen as less virtuous in our society than being racist?

>>15783580
You mean she doesnt trust it being given to children under the guise of "yeah it's just a puberty pause button, no harm done bro"

>>15783552
And we should all be thankful for it.
Maybe someone with her clout can stem, or even turn the tide of this madness

>>15782605
Based radfem.

>achieve unprecedented literary success with a children's series
>fail to write anything of note afterwards
>years pass
>fidn yourself increasingly at odds with the dominant social culture
>begin to write lucid sentences of sublime prose shitting upon their views and beliefs
>each one elicits a raging shitstorm
>meanwhile, penning your magnum opus in secret
Rowling's about to become England's female Houellebecq. Kino incoming.

>>15782619
Weren't old Jewish men already running the movement?

>>15783669
oi vey

>>15782546
She doesn't realize that feminism has become so effective in empowering women that men are literally signing up to be emasculated and feminized. The tranny creation rate should used as a metric of feminism's success.

SEND THIS TO JK ROWLING. THIS WHAT THEIR CUNTS END UP LOOKING LIKE LMAO

>>15783660
Is Rowling /ouroldwoman/?

>>15783703
Affirmative action in tech also helped strengthen the tranny movement. You can be a nobody writing shitty Javascript in your mom's basement in bumfuck nowhere as a man, or you can transition and make 200k as a "girl who codes" in San Francisco. What would you rather do?

>>15783703
Trannies are incel class traitors who have figured out a way to game liberal clownworld.

>>15783714

>>15783660
Cant wait till we get a Potterverse novel about a frustrated young wizard who has awkward sex with a house elf sex slave before realizing that magic is an inherently alienating concept, and he sets forth to live as a muggle instead.

>>15782605
>>15782629
>first they came for the stuffy windbag conservative prot talk show hosts. I did nothing Because i was not a conservative prot talk show host
>Then they came for the moderate conservatives....
>Then the classical liberals....
>Then the gamers...
>Then the moderate left...
>then the whites....
>Then they came for me, a feminists.

Welcome to the club buddy. Wonder what demography will be thrown under the bus next on the ever forward march towards progress and end up slinking back to this dark recess of the internet.

>>15782565
>>15782576
>>15782605
>mfw rich white men have finally figured out how to make feminism about them

>>15783703
Men becoming trannies and calling themselves women and getting into the movement that's supposed to be about empowering women just shits on the whole movement. It's completely understandable, but still really funny, why real women would hate fake women for trying to steal the spotlight on their movement. Gay people apparently don't even like trannies either because they also lumped themselves into their movement. Trannies are like a black hole of attention that could be better used if given to the movements themselves.

>>15783769
Im not transphobic not my fault every last one of them just happens to be completely insufferable

>>15782546
wtf I love harry potter now

>>15783714
thank you for that image anon. I hope you get raped to death by niggers

>>15782998
jesus this is sad

>>15783777
trips of truth have spoken

>>15783802
my take on the trans phenomenon is just that the doctors who perform those surgeries should be shot

>>15783802
>>15783714

>>15782878
4. and 5. are kind of the same. Good post in any case.

>>15783756
a point needs to be said that most of the trans activist types are not trans themselves, but allies.
they have done more damage to actual trans acceptance than anyone else

oh the irony

>>15783820
They don't necessarily have a choice I imagine. The society today has made it such a big point that you could probably lose your license for refusing. If anything it's the higher ups in the health care industry that need to be looked at since I doubt individual doctors (as long as they're doing it in an official hospital setting) have much say in whether those procedures are offered or not. The psychological problems that cause people to want to switch genders also need to be looked at but that's considered transphobic at the moment and is social suicide if you want trans people to get mental help rather than helping them mutilate their bodies. I think this is even more of an issue than with abortions. Since I do think that abortions are generally done by doctors that support them while I doubt that's the case for trans operations.

>>15783863
if they insist that trans isn't a mental disorder, then all the surgeries could be deemed as purely cosmetic, and insurance companies could drop them all

>>15783714
>just keep dilating
you can't make this shit up

>>15783802
It really is. I don't really have anything else to say about it other than it is just completely, entirely sad.

>>15783714
OHONONONONO

>>15782878
Based. They just want attention.

>>15782605
Based, trannies are gross

What a sad little place this is.

>>15783953
*what a based little place this is.

Let me ask you angry little virgins something. What do you think about gay people? Gay marriage, gay couples adopting, all that stuff. Tell me what you think, I'm really curious. Thanks

>>15783967
I'd give you a hug if I could mate. I'm sorry

>>15783456
anyone getting a pop culture tattoo, or really any tattoo, deserves shame

>>15783970
aids

>>15783970
I'm generally fine with gay people and them getting married and stuff. There's some people who talk about gay people being child molesters, which is worrying for the child adopting aspect, but I believe it's perfectly possible for a gay person to be mostly completely normal. And I've known plenty of gay people in my life that were cool people. I do think though that to some extent, similar to trannies, that some people "pretend", maybe not the best word, to be gay because they lack the ability to be successfully straight and get with women. It may be kind of hard to separate these from normal gay people, but I think because of the thinking about gender identity and stuff it's inflating the gay population to some extent.

>>15783970
>gay people
ok in moderation
>gay marriage
oxymoronic and purposeful change of definition. even in greco-roman times when boylove was less frowned on they didnt marry. the institutions was literally made around the male female bond. Exceptions to this rule had the sub castrated and ceremonially became a girl. Gays should have their own specific bond not called marriage. similar legal rights tho. same sex relation shouldnt have their own traditons, not coopt male-female relation.
>Gay couples adopting
Not optimal, due to not being normative, but doable if stable.

>>15782585
harry potter and the cum gobblet

>>15783820
Will never happen. Americans happily allowed infant genital mutilation to become a routine procedure. Doctors can legally mutilate the genitalia of newborn babies who obviously can't consent. Of course there will never be any pushback against mutilating the genitals of adults who can consent.

>>15782629
dont worrry babe it will die soon enugh, i love you babe XoXo.*snuggles your fat tiddies.*

>>15783530
>she

>>15783669
>Jewish men already running the movement?
*women

>>15782546
>GLUE YOUR COCK BACK ON OR PREPARE TO GET NINE-ELEVENED!!

Did Mrs Rowling really?

>men are mutiliating their own genitals because they feel they gain something in current society by it
>"won't somebody think of the oppressed waaamen"

>>15784249
There's nothing anyone can do until people realize that trannies are a result of mental issues that need to be treated like mental issues. Obviously a feminist is going to hate trannies derailing their cause. I doubt anyone in this thread is a feminist but they're just pointing out why feminists hate trannies.

>>15783517
>They are right, not even Sauron would be as evil as this bitch is being right on social media.

>>15783598
Among the far right wing its seen as virtuous to be racist.
A lot of Republicans that used to call trump names, now stand behind him and support him 100%. They have realized that being racist gets you votes and makes you popular among the right wing base so they're trying to be racist. If it turned out that they have done blackface in college, they'd wear it as a badge of honor because it gets you votes among rural suburban retards and shit.
Its the same for every country.

>>15783660
I can totally see that.
>mfw Rowling becomes the Jane Joyce of shitting on trannies
It would be glorious

>>15783613
This isn't "radfem," it's literally the normal position women have on trannies. Outside of the West almost no woman recognizes transgender women as equal to actual women.

>>15785065
a lot of people outside the west don't recognize women as being equal to men either kek

>>15785072
nobody in africa, india or china believes this shit and they're the majority of people in the world. the entire transgender movement is a western neoliberal astroturf that makes no fucking sense, and it's incredible its taken this long for women to speak up and realize that it reduces womanhood into an abstraction thereby obliterating classical notions of feminism

>>15782546
She should fight along with her

>>15785065
It is radfem. Women outside the west don't have as much power in general because they're conditioned to be submissive. It doesn't matter what they think of trannies because it means nothing.
Men are okay with trannies in Asia though.

>>15782998
jfc I have no problem with transgenders but I really wish they wouldn't do this. just crossdress it's fine we'll call you a woman please don't fucking do this shit.

>>15782878
I knew a girl in my teens who wanted to transition and she'd been sexually abused several times in the past so it's probably similar for ftm. Despite her wanting to be a guy she acted very much like a girl, definitely felt like a situation where she needed therapy. Her parents were pretty cold too so that couldn't have helped things. Rowling is right on this.

>>15785065
>>15785084
2021 the year TE(RF) goes mainstream

the bedickèd It’s Ma’ams naturally monopolize all progressive movements and screech like hell if you challenge them on it, so i’m glad she’s not folding. trannies are violent retards and need to know their place. hopefully more women will unapologetically hate trannies in the coming months. when the normies spit the troons out, it’s over.

>>15785084
>western neoliberal astroturf
How so?
>thereby obliterating classical notions of feminism
What exactly?

>>15783660
Transwoman michel hollebecq will be the last sensation of the publishing industry before the whole thing implodes.

JKKK Rowling mah nigga

opinion from an actual woman here:
when you have a bunch of mentally ill deranged men shoving their degenerate fetish in your face and then having the audacity to call themselves "a woman, just the same as you," it changes people. I don't want to pee next to a mentally ill pervert cross dressing drag queen rapist in the other stall. these "transexual lesbians" are just sex offenders waiting to happen, a mishapen bunch of autogynophilic incels who need to be shipped to guantanamo where they belong. none of you "pass", you will never be a woman, and you need to stop pretending you know about the daily experiences of women. a 6'0 190 lb troon does NOT know what it is like to walk down the street as a 5'2 110 lb woman with a bunch of perverts trying to get you into their car so they can murderrape you. all of you are shoving your filthy sexual fetish in people's faces and demanding they look at it, a troon demanding i call it by female pronouns is literally RAPE, and in the modern world i have to be sexually harassed 24/7 by men in dresses trying to get their dick "accidentally" exposed so they can get off on forcing their fetish in my face. all trannies dress as charicatures of women, clownified bimbos that lurk in the darkest corners of their porn stash, and they post shit like they want to be "a cow girl like anime porn" IRL. and in reality they're some pectus excavatum hairy-legged bobbing-adams-apple prolapsed-anus STD-ridden nymphomaniacal sex addict because they turned a sex fetish into their entire defining identity and daily lifestyle. and instead of having the amount of self awareness needed to comprehend the concept of shame, they seek to parade themselves in front of decent society and loudly demand "acceptance" that would make even a skanky 50 shades of grey loving whore with BDSM fantasies blush and reform themselves into a church goer. these basement dwelling coomerist wastes of oxygen need to join the 41%. all men are aggressive monsters who need to be beaten and locke dina chastity cage from the moment they are born and trannies are the lwoest form of men, they shouldn't even be allowed to continue breathing because their existence is an abomination before god.

YOU DON'T PASS.

>>15785328
Just because of this post, I will have to cover up my "I love Anon" tattoo. Another fallen hero.

>>15785328
Yeah but you’re already very unladylike so you’re two peas and a pod. Should have remained chaste and watched your mouth

>>15784157
Notice how they're all hideous.

>>15785328
I'm a 5'5 100 lb tranny and I know what it's like to be weak you terf. You can't exclude me just because I'm male.

>>15785328
This wouldn't have been a problem if you hadn't debased women to the point that a man with a hole drilled in his pelvis was close enough to a woman to call himself such.

>>15785328
>not at the very least posting your hands and feet
YOU DON'T PASS

>>15785351
commit suicide you mutilated sex obsessed social reject freak

i'm going to start pushing trannies in front of cars. i've had enough

STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY LOCKER ROOM

>>15785351
weakness doesn’t make up for the fact that you’re biologically male—society may have ostracized you based on your ‘inability to perform maleness’ or some similar thing but women do not owe you access to our spaces. radical feminists don’t exclude males from female-only spaces on stature alone. the exclusion is tied to the maleness. radical feminists do not hate gender non-conforming males but do not recognize them as women, either.

>>15782546
Hey guys, I think it's about time to change the intro text for this board don't you think?

Proposed changes below in all caps:

>>11931854
>/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. AND TWEETS ABOUT TRANNIES/SHEMALES.

This way, we can all stay within the rules of the board. Thoughts?

>>15785328
>opinion from an actual woman here:
Stopped reading right there

>>15785351
Lol good job m8. We’ll free ourselves from the matriarchy yet. You will be a valuable asset to our cause. As a reward you will be given the task of punishing White women who have betrayed us in the Right Wing Uberreich. 1 lash for every man she’s slept with. We will be able to tell this with technology invented by men.

>>15785367
Modern w*men are disgusting mannish hypergamous whores. I don’t blame him one bit. You witches need to be burned at the stake

>>15782878

I hate concepts like transexual or nonbinary and those new made up genders because they reduce being a man and being a woman to a charicature of feminity and masculinity.

What they imply is that if you aren't a typical man or a typical woman, you aren't a man or a woman. Instead of allowing a variety of ways of being a man and being a woman, they take a reductionist approach.

>>15785412
exactly—in their attempts to dissolve gender roles they create infinite new genders defined by deviations from traditionally gendered behavior. “girl who plays with tonka trucks” doesn’t need a new, personalized gender.

>>15785328
Dangerously based

>>15785328
LARP, but based

Stupid fucking whores should have stayed in the kitchen

>>15785328
>t. Schizo LARPer who is pretending to be entitled, butthurted, obnoxious roastie.

>>15785424
As a tonka-queered translesbian anarcho-gendered post-ironic dirtstar-toucher, I'm offended.

>>15785454
i’m so sorry quee—er, ki—...quing, i was super out-of-line there. can i paypal you for your emotional labor? thanks for educating me. you didn’t have to.

>>15785412
Just like that one post, trannies are a cosmic-level joke, and God is laughing as he watches it.
>I don't believe I'm a man
>The only solution is to pollute my body with insane numbers of artificial hormones and niche medications
>This is preparation to have a doctor drill an oozing, bleeding, steadily rotting wound into my lower body
>This makes me a woman, and if you don't see that you're a bigot
This is so bizarre. It not only makes no sense, it makes anti-sense. Supposing it's true or even attempting to understand how someone could believe it's true is so so absurd it almost breaks down the laws of reality when you think about it. It defies and defiles the very foundations of logic with it's sheer incomprehensible ridiculousness.

>>15785412
>new made
But things like muxe and bakla are not new.

Can /pol/tards please just leave this board already?

>>15783970

I'm fine with gay people
I think being gay is a defect, but not a moral defect, it's probably neurological, and comparable to being daltonic.
I consider it a defect because it's bad for the reproduction of humans, it's bad from the point of view of evolutionary fitness, being disgusted by the reproductive act of your species can't be a virtue.
I think gays are very intelligent and talented for the arts (that is why I think it's neurological, they have a different brain), it's because of that that I think they are so overrepresented among the important artists of history (or important people of history in general).
I don't discriminate gays as in, I would never not hire someone for being gay, and I would never not vote someone for being gay.

I think gays should only adopt children as a last resort, it's obvious it's best for kids to have both a father and a mother. a heterosexual couple should have priority over them. For me not having kids is almost an inherent part of the being gay experience.

civil marriage is a new thing historically, it used to be a monopoly of the church. gay marriage just proves that the institution of marriage has been destroyed in the west, but it was already dead before gay marriage.
it's just a contract to regulate inheritance and a few things like who can visit you if you are in a hospital bed.

>>15783660
>tfw the greatest literary work of the 21st ce will be dedicated to shitting on trannies

>>15785479
>TERFs are /pol/

>>15785479
Btfo

>>15782998
I can't find it sad, I merely find it absolutely outside of my sphere of existence.

>>15785479
I hate the /pol/ invaders too but I also hate trannies.

>>15785494
>more baki posting
Seriously, on every board there is currently so much Baki posting and it's driving me nuts. What is going on?

>>15785479
I'm almost convinced it's leftypol and if its not, then theyre doing a really good job annoying people into hating them and their political beliefs by shitting up everywhere they are

>>15785515
Baki is Based. He’s the main character of the world. Every man needs to defeat his father and the matriarchal society he has wrought

>>15785510
Lol, this.

>>15785515
Netflix keeps recommending it to me, so I'd guess that's it.

>>15785517
Why does it have to be a "side"?

Tranny here, I don't really see what any of this has to do with literature. It seems that some form of mental illness is causing you all to be unhealthily obsessed with us

>>15785534
Because hating specific people makes me feel bad so I have to attenuate it into hating a large group of people and their politics instead of actually saying one specific person is horrible.

>>15785534
>LAAAARGH TRANNYS NIGGERS DILATE. BLOODY WOUND
Who wants to hear that but you pack of schizos 24/7. Fucked in the head.

>>15785517
>everyone is a glowie pretending to be a glowie pretending to be a glowie
this is how you into schizo

>>15785559
My point is the people posting this shit to not subscribe to "left or right" tribalism. They spread this shit to stir up both sides.
Everyones a fucking idiot except me.

>>15785548
Because we're one step away from tranny rape gangs roaming the streets looking for incels to convert to the cause and put on forced hormone therapy. We're just trying to stem the tide.

>>15785529
>(((Netflix)))
>recommending 90’s Baki
Netflix is shilling propagandized Baki to brainwash more people

>>15785565
Thanks for the demonstration retard.
Fucked in the head.

>>15785580
Most trannies are just normal people, you target more than just the nutjobs

>>15785229
>How so?

The fuck do you mean? There has been an absurd explosion in transgenderism since 2015, the mass media and liberal institutions are openly supporting it

>What exactly?

Progressivism has reduced womanhood into an abstraction. All it takes to become a woman are pronouns now. This negates the role of feminism in addressing issues that specifically affect women in their sex like child marriages, honor killings, and female genital mutilation. These do not apply to transgenders yet they have taken over progressivism to the point where "transphobia" is the second most used word in social justice circles next to racism. Stop playing dumb you fucking mongrel because all of this is patently obvious to anyone who isn't a tranny or leftist LARPer

>>15785517
Only electionfaggots wine about muh leftypol

>>15785580
>looking for incels to convert to the cause
That's already happening on discord

>>15785093
It isn't radfem, the overwhelming majority of people in the world do not hold beliefs on gender that Western progressives do. By definition simply disagreeing with transgender ideology (that gender is abstract, arbitrary and fluidly defined) would make you "transphobic" meaning that literally 95% of the world is transphobic. Nobody outside America and Western Europe thinks gender is so useless that pronouns define people.

>>15785604
>cutting your dick off is "normal"
i hate you and want you dead. you fucking trannies have pushed me to my limit. you dont get to wage war on ME and then ask ME why i'm so obsessed with YOU

i hope to god a truck turns you into roadkill

>>15785625
Nobody cares what a bunch of backwards turd worlders think

>>15785625
It’s all women’s fault.
This is what they get.
Keep going tranners make women unsafe

>>15785628
lmao is this what they mean by white fragility?

>>15782546
Why is she so obsessed with trannies? Is it not having Corbyn to whine about anymore?

>>15785606
You say astroturf though. Who's profiting from this? Note, I'm not talking about corporations changing their logo on twitter after it's safe to do so.
>This negates the role of feminism in addressing issues that specifically affect women in their sex like child marriages, honor killings, and female genital mutilation
I think these are still considered serious issues, trannies or not. How does tranny ideology ''obliterate'' the notion that these are gendered offenses?

>>15785625
It’s radfem to see it in the context of ‘the movement.’ Yes, most people would see trans people as mentally ill, confused, possessed, etc. but the radfems have a focus on the movement and interpret transgender people are usurpers of the movement. As in, ‘men in drag’ have found a way to control our movement. This plays into their views on men as trying to dominate their lives and concerns.

>>15785491
Who is this big forehead guy?

>>15785618
Yes but soon enough it won't just be online.

>>15782629
Eating ass last night were we?

>>15785625
> that gender is abstract, arbitrary and fluidly defined
How can anyone unironically disagree with it? Sure, you might not like the implications or what sort of society it means but it being a fact seems self-evident. We wouldn't even have basic ass ideas like "manly man - unmanly man" if things were static and not a spectrum.

>>15785604
>Most trannies are just normal people
No, you're the meat shield that the radicals can hold up to defend themselves. Your existence lends the connotation to the term "transphobia" that opposition to transsexuals is opposition to you. Because you do not actively oppose this in large numbers, the result is that the non-negligible number of radicals can whip out "You're a transphobe!" whenever you oppose them or question the science behind treating transsexuals through conversion therapy. This is not "silence" on issues you don't care about. It is a form of tacit support. By refusing to oppose these people or attack them, and to instead just call them nutjobs when it comes up but otherwise be silent, you are legitimizing the narrative they create to push their agenda.

It would be one thing if the furthest radical push was "I want to be able to have conversion therapy period, even without a waiting period, if I'm over 18". But that's not the furthest people are pushing. There are plenty of trans people who believe in "eggs", who think you should force anyone with any symptoms to be subjected to hormone blockers, who think you should be able to have conversion therapy at a very young age. When you wave your hand and say "They're nutjobs, but WE'RE normal", you're legitimizing it. You're continuing the overton window shift. You're not saying, "These people are utterly disgusting and evil, and we should analyze the theory behind transsexual treatment to make sure people like this are not driving treatment". You're saying "Oh they're nuts, ignore them", which is the same shit gays said about transsexuals 10 years ago when the push for gay marriage was going and this came up.

>>15785646
TRANNIES ARE FUCKING LITERALLY WHITE MALES

>>15785653
Because woke "intersectionality" inherently includes transgenders in feminist movements and the entire goal of transgender movements are mostly just to accept transgender women as actual women, hence why JK Rowling is pissed at it. And yes, it's an astroturf, it's being pushed all over the mass media and politicians and celebrities are uniting for transgender causes all of a sudden. You can't possibly argue that they're "born that way" when there's been a major rise in transgenderism in just 5 years (mostly male to female) not proportionate to how many there were prior. Transgenderism is almost like a subculture at this point, just look at popular it is in anime or meme communities on the internet or on Discord.

>>15785670
Biological contingencies define our notions of gender and most people flat out agree with the gender dichotomy. If you think gender is so meaningless that I can become a woman literally right now just by telling you that I am, you seriously shouldn't be surprised when transgenderism is so widely criticized when it imposes its own distinct views on gender on society, then declares anyone who disagrees is a "transphobe."

>>15785655
Looking at it from that context is still narrow and not applicable to most people in the world who don't even know was a Radfem is

>>15785491
WHO IS THIS MAN IVE BEEN ASKING FOR MONTHS AND NO ONE GIVES A REAL ANSWER

>>15785670
Sex has been completely replaced by gender by a lot of people involved in these movements though. Just like a girl acting boyish doesn't make her a boy, cutting off your dick doesn't make you a girl. Things like wanting mtf trannies using the woman's bathroom are using gender for this decision while it should (and probably was conceived of) be based on sex, which doesn't change throughout your life. A tomboy shouldn't use the male bathroom (though I'm sure some people would like that) and a mtf trannie shouldn't use the female bathroom. The rare event of someone actually not having clear sex can be considered when it happens but it's not as common as trannies "transitioning".

>>15785670
Politics isn't about nebulous abstractions like "manliness". Politics is about the material reality of resource distribution.

>>15785670
Your understanding has been polluted by the intersectionalists. Gender as your experience of your own relationship with the sex of your body does not exist. Gender as a descriptor of your alignment with society-created "masculinity" and "femininity" does exist. Being an effeminate man is not a part of your experience of the sex of your body, but that is how intersectionalists use it. You can be a man who is like a woman, and I'd argue it isn't wrong to tell effeminate men to be more manly, but it would be horrendously wrong to tell a man who is effeminate that he is actually a woman.

>>15785716
the king of /lit/

>>15785722
>Politics is about the material reality of resource distribution.
Why does someone with a dick want to use the women's restroom?
answer: the same reason pedophiles want to "hang out" outside of schools

>>15785628
>you dont get to wage war on ME
How am I "waging a war" on you?

If it's pretty I will fuck it.

>>15785711
> Biological contingencies define our notions of gender
In practice it's just "looks like a woman/man". No one does a fucking chromosome check and even genitals rarely get into the picture.

And here there are often cases where people can't even agree based on visuals whether some tranny passes or not, before even getting into traps, or fake traps.

> you seriously shouldn't be surprised when transgenderism is so widely criticized when it imposes its own distinct views on gender on society, then declares anyone who disagrees is a "transphobe."
That's a different thing though. The basis of the belief that gender is (literally) a meme and how the rad fem/tranny community approaches it are different things. Their approach seems somewhat similar to an atheist jumping at christfags showing plotholes in the bible or wanting explanations for the crazy stuff, which might be factually correct but useless to convince the other person to drop their belief system.

>>15785711
>and the entire goal of transgender movements are mostly just to accept transgender women as actual women,
You haven't explained how this has anything to do with honour killings and the like.
>And yes, it's an astroturf, it's being pushed all over the mass media and politicians and celebrities are uniting for transgender causes all of a sudden.
I think you're confused as to what astroturfing actually is.
>''Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g., political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by grassroots participants. It is a practice intended to give the statements or organizations credibility by withholding information about the source's financial connection.''

>You can't possibly argue that they're "born that way" when there's been a major rise in transgenderism in just 5 years (mostly male to female) not proportionate to how many there were prior.
Eh, I could make the argument that more people are willing to come out since society had become more accepting and trans issues are more visible and talked about. Of course I don't need to unless you think this somehow constitutes ''astroturfing'' as well.

>>15782546
>have been now been tracked

>>15785724
> but it would be horrendously wrong to tell a man who is effeminate that he is actually a woman.
But once they cut their dick off and are pumped with hormones, they take a big fucking step from "effeminate men" to a point when the description just doesn't hold up. Sure one can just refer to them as trans-men instead of women but at this point it just affirms how much of a meme it all is and becomes a battle over sensibilities and words.

Outside of very specific medical documents and maybe professional sports the shit is pointless.

Rowlings argument is mostly about security of muh biological women either way, which doesn't work unless she can prove that trannies are more violent than cis women.

>>15785761
>and even genitals rarely get into the picture
Not until they start demanding rights for children to chemically castrate themselves and use puberty blockers, or demand access to woman's bathrooms, or call you transphobic for not wanting a relationship with transgenders

>That's a different thing though
No it isn't, they literally define it based on pronouns. Most transgenders apply gender attributes to themselves to pass more (lipstick, makeup, long hair, dresses, thigh high socks) yet according to their own ideology those are all useless gender constructs that don't define women to begin with. Transgender ideology is self-contradictory, incoherent and broken from its most basic premises that gender can change in an instant (notice all the fucking they/them people popping up everywhere despite absolutely nothing being changed from their personality, appearance or character. It's just an arbitrary identity chosen at random). Because of this, transgenders and progressives obfuscate the goals of the LGBT to turn sexuality and gender into interchangeable identities and turn it into social justice movement for equal rights. It's easier to attract normies with sob stories of "black trans women are being killed" even though only 20 of them were killed in 2019 out of a population of 40 million black people. It's an astroturf and makes no fucking sense, everyone is starting to notice it

>>15785793
I'd rather call them a fucking abomination, but I suspect that would be too big of a grenade in the "battle over sensibilities and words"

>>15785793
Cutting off your dick doesn't make you a women. There's plenty of men where that happens to them by accident even but they're not considered women. There doesn't need to be a new term for a guy without a dick. Or you could just call them a dickless guy.

>>15782565
No she’s just based

>read this book

Actually based as fuck.

The movement is obviously anti science. This shit is pure madness.

Btw does anyone have any other books about trans movements of the past?

I read that Hitler burned trans science books.

Where can I read about this

I hate trannies but you people should at least be charitable and present your opponents' arguments accurately. Literally no one is saying that cutting off your dick makes you a woman. The point is they were women from the start, the surgery is just to make them feel better.

>>15785065
it is now.

>>15785849
>The point is they were women from the start, the surgery is just to make them feel better.
They weren't women though. That's the point. It's a mental illness that should be treated like a mental illness and they shouldn't be allowed to mutilate their bodies because of their delusions. They don't use surgery to treat other mental illnesses. Some homeless guy on the street who believes he's Jesus isn't given plastic surgery to make him look like Jesus even if this may make him feel more like his delusion is real.

>>15785796
> demanding rights for children to chemically castrate themselves
They can demand whatever the want, it's up to the medical community to research whether it's a good approach or not, and obviously to determine on case by case basis.
> demand access to woman's bathrooms
Goes both ways though. Would you be more comfortable with a 6 feet female to male tranny on testo in a woman's bathroom?
The most simple solution would be making it based on passing – but this is bound to trigger people from both sides too.
>call you transphobic for not wanting a relationship with transgenders
People can call you baseless names either way and will do it no matter what.
> Transgender ideology is self-contradictory, incoherent and broken
I mean, most ideologies are, especially if they get big enough to consists of tons of different groups.
> It's easier to attract normies with sob stories of "black trans women are being killed"
Is it though? Police brutality would be a thing anymore if sob stories about blacks being killed had an effect on the majority, going into a bigger niche with trannies doesn't seem ideal.

At least personally I don't remember caring too much about tranny stories, it's the opposition being so nasty against them that makes them look more like the "good guys" for me.

>>15785817
Biologically it doesn't but if you cut off your dick and dress and act in a way that makes random strangers perceive you as a woman … you might as well be called one, outside of places where your biological gender matters.

>>15785869
The “opposition” is just retards on the internet sending death threats. In actuality most people are opposed to transgenderism and LGBT ideology in general, if you actually explain to the average woman that their womanhood means nothing then they’ll be offended at the suggestion that their pro-women stances are arbitrarily defined since women in general have no basis anymore according to progressives.

>>15785849
>>15785748
Why are you being so disingenuous? Why are you lying through your teeth? You demand I use your pronouns of the month, you demand to come into my restroom and my locker room and my sports team. if i dont want to date you i get publicly lambasted as "transphobic". if i accidentally say xer instead of zher within 5 minutes of meeting you, you try to get me fired and sic a twitter outrage mob on me to dox me, stalk me, harass me, and jump me. you start policing my language and i can no longer even call my own genitalia a vagina, how i have to use "front hole" or i'm a racist evil bigoted neohitlerite. you transwash history changing women characters into troons, you make a mockery of us, your ideas about womens appearance is the equivalent of blackface, the faggoty way you talk and act is blackface against women, the hypersexual degeneracy and cock-obsessed nymphomaniacal whoredom you call "love" is a blasphemy against my sex and the nobility of romance. you assert yourself as women to try to bump your way into our hiring quotas, throwing actual women out onto the street without shame. you NEVER grew up with any type of discrimination and yet cry all day that you are oppressed while shoving we, the women, the actual oppressed, aside into the dirt. WE spent thousands of years being treated like slaves and property. YOU weren't even a concept until you watched too much anime porn.

i want to stuff your guts with thermite. the only solution to a troon is to shoot his brains out onto the cement. how you don't puke your guts out when you wake up and look at your disgraced abomination of a form in the mirror staring back at you I can't even guess.

we wiped you creatures out of existence once and we can do it again.

>>15785892
Trannyism undermines feminism because if men can declare themselves women, then women who feel they are oppressed by the patriarchy could just declare themselves men, but for some reason they don't.

>>15783005
She was never cringe she my boy for life

>>15785902
the first post you responded too wasnt being disingenuous. he was trying to present the actual argument most trans use. im anti tranny, but strawmanning is just venting.

>>15783005
Are you stupid faggots forgetting that she's still an immigrant-loving feminist shill? My god you guys are forgetful. Yeah, it's funny to watch her btfo trannies, but her larger agenda is still horrendous.

>>15785328
Women are illiterate. Nice LARP.

>>15785892
> The “opposition” is just retards on the internet sending death threats.
My main interaction points with trannies and tranny opposition is the web. If I had someone lecturing me about the shit IRL I might have stronger opinions about it and less positive about trannies, and whether the topic was discussed with someone I know IRL, it was just mostly confusion about trannies but no one gave any fucks to actually discuss it seriously to determine whether they should count as men or women. The only tranny I knew was usually referred as a woman (even by conservative people) since she passed and no one held fucking arguments over it. All the fun action seems to be online.

> if you actually explain to the average woman that their womanhood means nothing
I don't know any women who define themselves over their womanhood. It's not something that gets brought up normally or people care too much about. At best there is talk about specific circumstances like motherhood or harassment. Maybe it's just a Burger thing.

>>15785902
incel /pol/ freak obsessed with trannies, larping as a woman

timestamp or gtfo

>>15785902
>You demand I use your pronouns of the month
I'd prefer you use 'she" but it isn't that big of a deal if you don't
>you demand to come into my restroom and my locker room and my sports team
Nope
>if i dont want to date you i get publicly lambasted as "transphobic"
Nope
> if i accidentally say xer instead of zher
Very, very few people actually use neopronouns
> i can no longer even call my own genitalia a vagina, how i have to use "front hole"
Can you find one person claiming this?
>your ideas about womens appearance is the equivalent of blackface
What's wrong with blackface?
>you NEVER grew up with any type of discrimination
That's incredibly presumptuous
>yet cry all day that you are oppressed
Transwomen and ciswomen are both oppressed, just for different reasons
>
i want to stuff your guts with thermite. the only solution to a troon is to shoot his brains out onto the cement. how you don't puke your guts out when you wake up and look at your disgraced abomination of a form in the mirror staring back at you I can't even guess.
Are you mentally ill?

>>15785860
There's reconstructive surgery for people who have been through accidents, so it's certainly not unprecedented to modify people's bodies in order to relieve some sort of mental distress. Note that I'm not equivocating here, just pointing out why your premise is flawed.

>>15785902
>i want to stuff your guts with thermite. the only solution to a troon is to shoot his brains out onto the cement.
You aren't a woman. You are a man pretending to be a woman on the internet. You are actually the only tranny here. Take your pills, retard.

>>15785860
If people want to take hormones and get plastic surgery to look like a woman, why should I care? What business is it of mine what other people do with their bodies?

>>15785902
Tits or gtfo.

>>15783898
Damn that’s true let’s play that card

>>15786012
It encourage this bullshit about wanting to change society to be in line with their mental illness.

>>15785987
>I don't know any women who define themselves over their womanhood

I don't think you talk to normie girls then

>>15783970
The only family unit that makes sense is the male female bond because they can create children and they can give a child the masculine/femanine dichotomy needed for healthy upbringing. Life wouldn’t be able to exist period without this make and female dichotomy; and I just don’t mean biologically. Everything that exist relies upon this pattern.

Plus a child can figure out that their sick doesn’t belong up a guys shitter.

Same goes for anal with women.

>>15786057
If they get plastic surgery done well enough to pass as women in public, how does that "change society"?

>>15786057
this. if they kept it a purely personal non prostlotising thing it would be somewhat bearable. but the requirment for society and the very fundement of language and cultural dynamics to conform to their mental illness is harmful and pretentious in the extreme.

>>15782645
this is 4chan, you mean walla

>>15785065
God I gotta get out of here.

>>15786012
>I don't care if men in dresses take over women's spaces

Nice male privilege, bro.

>>15786072
I wish. They are as normie as it gets with netflix and traveling as their main "hobbies".

Why would a normal person define themselves over their gender instead over the stuff they do and like? Only time gender plays a role are gender expectations a la "lol, my mom thinks I'm going to cook for my husband despite working longer hours" or something like motherhood.

>>15786077
if they do it silently it doesnt, but trying to normalize it it does.

>>15785328
Fuck yes now please keep preaching.

>>15786077
It will improve the numbers for women in STEM. And that's a Good Thing!

>>15786117
And break all records in female sports.

>>15786075
The nuclear family is pretty modern though.
>>15786077
Bathrooms, sports yada yada. Also people will say they don't want to be forced to use these or those pronouns, but I sincerely doubt most fags sitting here rn would actually misgender someone IRL. Most people tend to go with the flow and avoid conflict, so it's kill all trannies on 4channel, but I think afk those people typically don't feel bothered enough to purposely misgender someone to their face. Or perhaps I'm ignorant here, but I'm speaking from personal experience. Point is it's not a huge sacrifice.

>>15786124
>my scholarship now

>>15785902
>you demand to come into my restroom and my locker room and my sports team. if i dont want to date you i get publicly lambasted as "transphobic". if i accidentally say xer instead of zher within 5 minutes of meeting you, you try to get me fired and sic a twitter outrage mob on me to dox me, stalk me, harass me, and jump me. you start policing my language and i can no longer even call my own genitalia a vagina
imagine being this disingenuous, literally everything you said is a lie

>>15786093
>prostlotising
lol
>and the very fundement of language
Not language per se, since there are languages without gendered pronouns. And languages constantly evolve.
>is harmful
To whom?

i hate men. every man. every last one. trannies are the ultimate wolves in sheeps’ clothing, at least the heterosexual ones, because they weasel their way into women’s spaces pretending to be all but the pathetic male worms they are.

>>15786133
>The nuclear family is pretty modern though.
no it isnt. if you mean the nuclear family seperated from a wider family unit, yes, it is new, but the nuclear family usually existed inside of the extended family unit. and even then, most “nuclear families” stay in relitively close contact with immediate relitives. ive always foundthis to be a weak critique, seeing as it is not a large qualitative change. and more one of quantity.

>>15782998
I don't want to imagine what sort of afterlife awaits those who push these malicious procedures.

>>15785849
Get smarter.

Like I’m not even trying to be a dick but it’s a mental illness. Call it cosmetic surgery if anything but it’s not going to make anyone feel better and that’s been proven by actual scientists who have been socially shamed.

>>15786133
>The nuclear family is pretty modern though.

The nuclear family was created by the Catholic Church something like 500 years ago. It's not ancient, but it certainly predates modernism.

>>15786133
This is basically the same as saying living in an authoritative state is fine and nobody cares because people don't actively speak out in public against it. While you won't be kidnapped and tortured for being against trannies in public you will be stigmatized and possibly subject to lesser, more societal punishments. People aren't any less against it just because they don't want to go through that.

>>15786157
>afterlife
It's funny how mentally ill people call out other mentally ill people.

>>15783863
I doubt there's a single surgeon doing tranny stuff that isn't ideologically/sexually committed to it, it's just not how the profession works.

Now working psychologists, I assume they do have to deal with it. They probably just try to pass them off to the politically amenable "specialists" the trannies would probably prefer ASAP.

>>15786172
>people don't like people who hold certain opinions
How the fuck is this like anything in authoritative state? If your beliefs don't mech with society, neither will you, it's not something anyone can change. No matter how accepting a society is, there will be taboo opinions.

>>15782546

>>15786172
I mean I don't think those are the emotions at play for a lot of people. I imagine it's like how people can scream about niggers on /pol/ or want to close all borders, but that doesn't mean they're seething on the inside everytime they have to interact with a brown person afk.

>>15786205
Gotta love white woman's tears in action, with "subtle" digs at trannies while acting as a victim and then whining about backlash.

Rowling is going to host a cuckservative podcast in a decade or two.

>>15786211
>thinking /pol/aks ever interacted with coloreds
That's a big ass assumption, man.

>>15786205
>minge
cringe

>>15786214
White women's tear should be designated a hate symbol. We need that to move towards a more just and equitable society.

>>15786149
* proselytizing

>not language per se
in english, yes, but that was a subset of the larger topic of cultural. literally every culure has a definite and well defined distinction between men and women, even the “two spirit” indians trans like to bring up. its a basic tautelogical upsetting of understanding and cultual identity for an absolute tiny minority that only exist as a consequence of a specific philosophical convention.
>is harmful
yes. it was basically a complete non issue even like 10 years ago. the whole thing upsets the fundements of interaction and human contact. the topic is largely one of antithesis and reaction (and my opisition being another antithesis). its a principle if left to be normative adds a arbitrary layer of striff where there previously largely lacked. show me what gender is. its something so ephemeral like a religion, and like religion, it causes strife between people, but it lacks any of the extestential comfort a religion could give. it is simply incindiary rather than liberating. the whole frameworkong of it. not even against sex change, but the concepts that it deals with seem like arbitrary abstractions that only serve to hurt and confuse for its own sake.

>>15786224
>cringe
minge

>>15786150
>they weasel their way into women’s spaces
they may pee next to you, the horror

>>15786200
Just saying that not speaking your opinions in public, especially when they're the "wrong" opinions, doesn't mean you don't hold them or aren't strong about them. I understand what you're saying (people from /pol/ aren't likely to go around saying nigger with impunity irl) but I don't think that really shows anything about the strength of their beliefs.

>>15786211
I think you'd be surprised. The feelings might not be as strong as what are displayed on the internet but similar to above, part of that may be that they know they have to suppress them to some degree to not be attacked by people with the other opinion (not necessarily physically).

>>15786214
You still don't get why brawny xirple make women feel unsafe

>>15785328
You had me until
>all men are aggressive monsters who need to be beaten and locked in a chastity cage from the moment they are born
I'm genuinely sorry that you've been hurt but it makes me feel sad that you hate me (A man) just for being alive, enough to want to torture/humiliate me.

>>15786158
what are you talking about, transitioning has be proven effective to treat gender dysphoria

>>15786214
It's fake you idiot.

>>15786241
The whole point of split bathrooms is to prevent that. And having a man pissing next to you is still probably better than a man with an open wound and in drag. And that's not the only thing either. They want to be treated as women in all accounts, which delegitimizes any women's only anything.

>>15786266
>The whole point of split bathrooms is to prevent that. And having a man pissing next to you is still probably better than a man with an open wound and in drag
you still haven't explained what is your issue with it

>>15786260
>proven
*corrrelates.
the data set has a lot of confounding variables to it. especially given social phenomenon.

>>15786243
If she genuinely wanted to discuss that, she could've done it.

Her more serious letter/blog post about it had decent points actually but she couldn't stop herself from making childish digs at trannies every few sentences, which takes away from the whole "I'm actually a concerned ally" bullshit she's saying, which in turn takes from her argument overall. At least aut-right fags have the balls to openly declare their hatred for trannies instead of this fake concern crap.

>>15786264
Going the rest of her recents posts, it's hard to tell yo.

>>15786285
wow, its almost like shes a progressive with backhanded progressive speak.

>>15786284
It isn't a huge stretch.

>hate your body
>change things about it you hate the most
>hate your body less (or even begin to like it)

>>15786150
based
>>15786142
>has no argument
>repeats my argument back to me
all the boiled tampon tea and internet porn has fried your crusty troon brain.
>>15786205
>melon-balled scabbard
>>15786241
that pedophile might sit on the bench next to your 5-year-old daughter, the horror

kill yourself you sex offender

>>15786284
No it has been proven. There are not many variables. They transition, and the gender dysphoria gets better.

>>15786285
She did discuss it. She poured her truth out onto all English speaking culture and now the mop brigade is sweating.

>>15786294
Liberal*

>>15786278
Women don't want men pissing in their bathrooms. It's that simple.

>>15785328
>tfw no bully radfem gf

>>15786304
that's why 41% of trannies kill themselves, because they "got better"?

you retarded faggot.

>>15782546
Going full Trump, huh?

>>15782546
Can we make the slang "Speedrunners" more popular?

>>15786297
>that pedophile might sit on the bench next to your 5-year-old daughter, the horror
All your posts are literally autistically screeching about le tranny menace destroying the world, get your shit together and make an actual argument. What is your evidence that trans women are pedophilles?

>>15782546
Her hatred of trans folks is absolutely pathological. TRANS LIVES MATTER!

>>15786260
It's an experimental trial. You realise that don't you? When they initially started giving out hormones, they had no experimental evidence it would work.

Why? Because you can't ask a fucking rat if it has gender dysphoria. You can't ask a rat if hormone treatment and reassignment surgery makes them feel better. Maybe you can measure the chemical balance of their brains, and determine if they were successfully 'converted' to the opposite sex (which is invariably untrue because no such perfect conversion is possible unless if you swap people's brains into a new body).

It isn't proven, they're driving in the dark, and mentally unstable teens will take the brunt of the crash.

I am not transphobic, I just don't think that what we are doing is the right course of action. I don't understand why psychoanalysis absolutely can't work on these people, or why we can't just, for example, give 'trans' boys more testosterone? I would've thought it would be much easier to change the brain to match the body than vice versa? The brain is capable of healing itself, it's capable of believing anything with the right conditioning, but you're telling me that convincing a young person's brain that penis=male is too difficult?

>>15786297
>>has no argument
Argument against what you fucking sperg, you didn't make any arguments yourself.

>>15785328
>Hi! Few things to start off with =]
1. Yes I replied to you because you're a femanon, 'tis an awesome thing to see!
2. I'm Brian.
3. Don't be intimidated, but I'm not a stereotypical guy. If anything, I'll be the one in the kitchen =D.

>>15785328
>opinion from an actual woman here:
stopped reading there

>>15786319
who cares what women want
argument or btfo

>>15786241
yeah, i don’t want men pissing next to me, but i also don’t want them shouting me down for “being exclusive” (talking about things that don’t affect them and daring to label these things women’s issues), threatening me for disagreeing with them, or, you know, using the vulnerability women demonstrate in their own spaces to sexually assault me. you’re either being disingenuous or fucking retarded if you think this is about SHARING PEEPEE ROOM OH NOOOOO, go change your facebook frame to show support for your cause of choice you milquetoast fucking liberal

>>15786324
The suicide attempt rate actually gets lower after they transition.
>you retarded faggot.
indeed, you are

>>15786359
Better bait than the one you're replying to tbqh.

>>15786353
>I don't understand why psychoanalysis absolutely can't work on these people, or why we can't just, for example, give 'trans' boys more testosterone? I would've thought it would be much easier to change the brain to match the body than vice versa? The brain is capable of healing itself, it's capable of believing anything with the right conditioning, but you're telling me that convincing a young person's brain that penis=male is too difficult?
You don't really get it do you
Nobody who is trans believes that they are the opposite sex. They feel dysphoria with their body, and they need to transition to alleviate it. And yes it has been proven to work.

>>15782546
dammit, this is a respectable business with respectable clientele
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mAl6ulsD8Kti/

>>15786366
Based. We should genocide women and replace them with men pretending to be women. That'll teach them.

>>15786377
>or, you know, using the vulnerability women demonstrate in their own spaces to sexually assault me.
That's just terf paranoia, unless you can demonstrate that trans women want to use the women's bathroom to rape and pillage you should drop that stupid point already

>>15785793
I think the concern with trans ideology is that it could influence young children who may be gender non-conforming to want to transition. So a tomboy or a gay man or whatever, who would normally grow into a perfectly happy adult, is told at a very young age that their atypical display is actually evidence of them being born "in the wrong body." Then they are pumped full of experimental hormones which have permanent effects. That's not to say that trans people never exist, but hormone therapy is just being overprescribed, and as a result is "erasing" the possibility of people growing into lesbian women or gay men etc. while also bolstering regressive ideas about gender roles (i.e. if you're a boy who likes dolls, you must akshully be a girl!)

>>15786417
>Nobody who is trans believes that they are the opposite sex. They feel dysphoria with their body
so it is a feeling then. isnt that wonderfully vague. and arent a feeling and an ingrained understanding not always different? could this not be a placebo effect? a simple result of a certain sibjective epistomology? i say this as a person who “felt” line they would be better as a women in high school, but i am glade i had the common sense to suspect this being a subjective whim. its all so vague that it simply may be a contigent mindset rather than an ingrained imparitive (which would seem very odd biologically speaking). im not sure many causes are not just psyops, either self made or enviornmental, especially given the brains plasticity.

>>15786452

>>15784157
>Nina Hartley

>>15786464
>bolstering regressive ideas about gender roles

Remember before trans concern took over LGBT activism, there was a thinking that anyone who was bullied must be gay? Like it's bad enough your kid is getting bullied at school, and now he's being labelled gay for it. It's like isn't that reenforcing the bullying? Sick people.

>>15786469
Right, and the point I am making is that the topic has been studied. You know how high the trans suicide attempt rate is, this is not just a matter of getting a dumb idea one day about how it would be like to be the opposite sex. Gender dysphoria is very real. And transitioning has been shown to work, the vast majority of people who undergo it feel much better afterwords.

>>15786490
he probably is gay though seeing as many faggots have a tendency to being effete, weither as a cultural or biological phenomenon.

>>15786417
What is the cause of the dysphoria? Why would giving boys testosterone and determining the root of their 'trans identity' be a bad thing? Why is the easiest route to give bottles of pills and reassignment surgery so that you can convert the whole body to match the brain?

When a heart is weak and can't pump blood to the whole body without stress, why do they not just cut off the limbs and make the whole body smaller to ease the load of the heart? Because it is easier to fix the one organ than the whole body. Likewise, when the brain is feeling different to the body, why change the whole body to match the brain? What if I thought I should be a little person? Do you think the doctor should hack at my arms and legs til I match what I feel? Wouldn't it be better to figure out why I feel that way and how I can fix it?

When I was depressed, I thought I was a worthless sack of shit. Did people tell me "You are a worthless sack of shit, quit your job, drop your degree, become a useless degenerate" or did they say "You're not useless, you're not worthless, you've got X,Y,Z"? Did I get better through taking drugs for a quick fix, or did I develop healthy eating habits and exercise routines to make me better? Did I use more technology, or did I give screens a break and You're a retard.

>>15786471
damn, I guess that one incident proves that all trans women are rapists

>>15786452
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/seven-sex-attacks-in-womens-jails-by-transgender-convicts-cx9m8zqpg

https://www.fpiw.org/blog/2016/02/25/convicted-sex-offender-seeks-access-to-womens-locker-rooms-through-bathroom-law/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/18/she-gained-fame-as-an-early-transgender-advocate-now-shes-charged-with-triple-homicide

https://thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-15-year-old-alleged-victim-of-jessica-yaniv-speaks-out

here are a few links to demonstrating why violent males ought to be kept out of female only spaces. you can wax jonathan yaniv’s ballsack by all fucking means but do count me out. again, go make a facebook post about it.

>>15786452
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/seven-sex-attacks-in-womens-jails-by-transgender-convicts-cx9m8zqpg

https://www.fpiw.org/blog/2016/02/25/convicted-sex-offender-seeks-access-to-womens-locker-rooms-through-bathroom-law/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/18/she-gained-fame-as-an-early-transgender-advocate-now-shes-charged-with-triple-homicide

https://thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-15-year-old-alleged-victim-of-jessica-yaniv-speaks-out

here are a few links demonstrating why violent males ought to be kept out of female only spaces. you can wax jonathan yaniv’s ballsack by all fucking means but do count me out. again, go make a facebook post about

>>15786497
but the plasticity part of it is still there. people can convice themselves of their veracity to a damning and partyring degree. it makes little sense and most of the justifications for it seem to be philosophical in nature rather than biological as of yet.

to be honest, i would like to see a study like they did in isreal about bous and girls being raised unisex and without outside intervention of any kind and see if “trans” activity took place. something like that would go far for me personally to form a more flexible understanding of trans people. most other studies seem correlatiry jn the extreme and uncontrolled.

not to mention the culture of normalization pushes a specific subconscious narritive to a specific effect.

>>15786510
>Likewise, when the brain is feeling different to the body, why change the whole body to match the brain?
Because there is no medical procedure that makes the brain stop producing feelings of dysphoria. It's simply not possible with the current technology. And we already know that transitioning works, so I don't see the issue.

>>15782546
hold up...you're telling me that popping synthetic exogenous hormone pills for decades on end is bad for a person's health? And maybe, just maybe, treating mentally ill people with therapy might be better for them than catering to their whims just because it's the path of least resistance?

>>15786512
i'm going to laugh when you commit suicide, discord tranny

>>15786554
Unless you can demonstrate that there is a significant portion of trans women who are violent predators, you have no argument. Nobody gives a shit about the Jessica Yaniv memes.

>>15786554
>violent males
um sweaty those are women

>>15786560
>And we already know that transitioning works, so I don't see the issue.

If that's the case, can you link the paper that discusses how they made a biological male get pregnant? Or does it 'work' in the same sense that 2+2=5?

>>15786585
Why wouldn't they? A significant portion of any male demographic consists of violent predators.

trannies are an abomination

>>15786558
I am not sure what do you mean. You can't convince yourself that you or you don't have gender dysphoria. Some people are simply very uncomfortable with the body they were born in. No one really knows the reason, the only thing we know is that transitioning is the only treatment that seems to alleviate it.

>>15786585
a significant portion of men are violent predators. all trans women are men. i’m >>15786377 and not >>15786579 but i will also be relieved when you perish, discord tranny.

>>15786588
i fucked up. i’m so sorry, let me draft my apology and venmo 7 ftms as an act of atonement. thanks for the emotional labor, babe.

>>15786570
>>15786510

You guys are right, but the argument against you would be that by treating dysphoria in any other way but "confirming" the patient's self-identified gender is to admit to hate and bigotry towards the entirety of transexuals because you don't want them to exist. I guess it's like sending young gay men to conversion therapy camps to make them "normal."

>>15786560
>Because there is no medical procedure that makes the brain stop producing feelings of dysphoria
There is, however, therapy. Obviously there's no single thing you can do and "transitioning" is easier, but it also has much more risks than trying to combat the mental stuff causing the feelings. If you do the surgery you run the risk of having a smelly, bleeding hole like one of the images in here talks about, which is permanent.

>>15786601
>If that's the case, can you link the paper that discusses how they made a biological male get pregnant?
I am talking about alleviating gender dysphoria, try to keep up

>>15786588
i fucked up. i’m so sorry, let me draft my apology and venmo 7 mtfs as an act of atonement. thanks for the emotional labor, babe.

>>15786639
>There is, however, therapy.
But there isn't, psychotherapy doesn't work

>>15786638
I get that argument but we're also talking about the difference between letting a guy fuck another guy in the ass and someone getting life changing mutilating surgery. Outside of AIDS (which isn't even a specifically gay thing even if it's common there) the former offers no real risks outside of someone maybe thinking it's gross.

>>15786621
I think Rowling's point is that there is nothing wrong with transitioning, but transitioning doesn't make you a woman.

>>15786661
How much has it been tried and developed? Just because it doesn't work right now doesn't mean it could never work if people get more of a handle on what is happening. We'll never get to that point if nobody can ever try because the first thing done is giving people the hormones and surgery.

>>15786621
>You can't convince yourself that you or you don't have gender dysphoria.
how do you know this holds true? there are psychological conditions and people who are dead set in things that are seeming not real to use? and for something so personal, why wouldnt it be? cant someone believe to the death that god exists, but if that person was born in a place where god was not present in their life, would they still hold that conviction? i guess i am asking if it is at all possible to know if it is a contingent belief. like if two identical copy of each other lived different lifes would they bothbe trans?

and thats a seprate critique on the psychological nature of trans seperate from my dislike of it as a social phenomenon.

>>15786664
The post-modern doctrine from which this version of trans ideology springs forth would tell you that the erasure of trans identity through therapy is equivalent to violence

>>15786613
He'd be hideous as any gender to be fair

I used to flirt with autogynephila and all I can say is that a humans soul is built up, not genetic. If someone has agp they arent genetically warped, their imagination has gone haywire and they've lost touch with reality, due to incredibly empty living.

She is so based.

>>15786626
>a significant portion of men are violent predators. all trans women are men.
Only a minority of men are special predators. And trans women are the exact opposite of the hyper masculine type that tends to commit these types of crimes. Trans women are using female bathrooms since years, and no one gave a shit about it because they didn't know they are trans. This is just hysteria, trans women aren't raping anyone.

>>15786638
This actually makes a lot of sense, I realise now how even having rational views can be considered 'hateful'. Unironically thanks because now I understand the other side's argument, even if it's retarded.

My counter is that by this logic, modern medicine is violent because it seeks to eradicate persons of disability by providing life changing treatment to people who have been subject to various trauma (physical or otherwise) with things such as bionic limbs, eye surgery, cochlear implants (the Deaf community are actually against such developments for the same retarded reasons) or various other surgeries. Wheelchairs are violent because they eradicate immobiles, they are forcing people who otherwise couldn't move to now get around easily, even though in tribal times, they would've been left to die, or just stuck in the one place for days on end, being moved occasionally on a stretcher.

Modern medicine is violent because its eradicated persons afflicted by polio, it's violent because it seeks to fix teeth by forcing them to be straight and in line with everyone else's. It's violent because it seeks to reduce pain where possible.

>>15786711
>due to incredibly empty living.
It's almost entirely this. After reading about Elagabalus, I am convinced it is a result of having things too good.

>>15783802
They are mentally ill. Of course it's sad. They need help, not mutilation.

>>15786789
Transition has been proved to work. If you really want to help them you should support it instead of peddling conservative propaganda.

>>15786812
What do you mean by work?

>>15786464
Isn't that something that concerns medical professionals mostly? Obviously parents shouldn't be able to decide on that shit just like they have to right to go cray with fag conversion therapy ... and shouldn't mutilate genitals for religious reasons.

A semi competent psychologist should be able to tell whether they deal with a tomboy or a future tranny and politics got no place there, just like they have no place with something like pushing abortion bans.

>>15786626
> i will also be relieved when you perish
Sounds like something a violent predator would say.

>>15786864
Alleviate gender dysphoria. It makes them feel happier.

What the fuck I love Harry Potter now??