/lit/ - Literature

read some genesis p. orridge

thinking of what he looks like without those things in makes me gag

i think so. i automatically think less of a girl if she has dyed hair or piercings.

it's not even the good type of self-hatred. like self-awarness. its like i dunno, but i know its so goddamn phoney.

>Is "body modification" a manifestation of self-hatred?

No.


>Have any philosophers looked into this disturbing culture?

I'm a philosopher, and I just looked into it. Glad I could help.

It's an act of self stratification.

>>1582811

who cares what dogshit thinks, though?

You might found something in Maffesoli's "The Times of Tribes" or Lipovetsky's "Empire of Fashion". Inb4sociology, they barely count.

>>1582813
>>1582813
>I'm a philosopher
yeah


just like the rest og /lit/

You should ask a psychologist because that's a scientific question. Then you should laugh at yourself for taking this type of psychology seriously.

Maybe it's only disturbing because it is a culture foreign to you. What about African tribes that practice ritual body modification? I doubt self-hatred is a core value of their society.

Depends doesn't it?. Body modification CAN be a form of self-mutilation, but doesn't necessarily have to be. It can be a expression of individualism, religion, it can be tradition, a right of passage, etc etc.

>>1582826

I get some money for it, that must distinguish me from at least some of 'em.

>>1582832

>What about African tribes that practice ritual body modification?

I'm not particularly interested in the habits of primitive peoples.

>>1582836
yeah that's true

what did you publish?

do you subscribe to a major school of thought?

I don't think it's self-hatred. More that you can show that you own your body, and that you feel free to manipulate your body in a way that show you don't care what nature has given you, that ultimately you are in control of your own appearance. It's a mastery over one's self.

>>1582841
It's relevant to the conversation, yet you decide to ignore it
ALRIGHTY, MIGHTY WHITEY

>>1582844
>do you subscribe to a major school of thought?

I chuckled

>>1582855
why?

Transhumanism has more than a tangential relationship to this phenomenon

>>1582799
>Is "body modification" a manifestation of self-hatred?
I think that's not exactly the point (at least with "non hipster/emo/worthless-attention-whoring-faggots"). I'd say thats more like a mark that reminds you and the others that you've "changed" (most times as a sign of maturity) or to keep to your body some important event/person you must not forget.

its about establishing identity

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>>1584341

Yeah, but normal people don't need to do that much work to establish their identity. If you need to do more work to establish your identity, you must have some sort of deficiency.

>>1584342

or you feel that you want your identity to be differentiated from all of the lemmings

Since this is /lit/:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Primitives_%28book%29
This was the book that basically broke tattooing and piercing wide open in the US.
Ten years earlier, men with tattoos = bikers and sailors, women with tattoos = dockside whores. Very few men had pierced ears and very few women had piercings anywhere else. Over the next ten years, it became slowly more acceptable, but only in restricted subcultures. This book documented the subcultures and was a major force for popularizing tattoos and piercing.

How about some people just think it looks cool - they see other people with major mods and think "I'll have some of that, I want corks through my ears as well"

The Anon who mentioned trasnhumanism was onto something, I think - modifications are becomingmore and more extreme (horns, whiskers), and it represents a human urge to be able to alter their body form. There's pretty good evidence in the archaeological record that human beings have been doing it since before they were even homo sapiens, so it may be more germane to ask why some people don't have any modifications (I have no tats or piercings, just BTW). Since it's pretty much a commonplace in human history to have something pierced or tattooed, then why do some people not have it at all, why don't we feel this basic human urge to differentiate ourselves.

>>1584360

because you have found another way to do it that didnt involve altering your body

>>1584386

In actuality, I think it's because my body is covered in scars from an inordinately adventurous life, and I've never felt the need to add to them.

Or it may be that I'm just a sheep, and I'm happy to walk around in the wool I was given. I dunno, I'm not a psychomologist

>>1582799
What do you mean by "body modification", a piercing or a whole body tattoo?

>>1582841
>>>/int/

>>1584342
>normal people don't need to do that much work to establish their identity.
Depends on what you mean by 'normal'; if you mean the average human being, then you are kind of wrong.