/lit/ - Literature

>>15834498
My friend told me this book would turn me into Rust from True Detective and while he clearly thought that was a selling point, I think I'm good.

>>15834511
Dude this book makes me want to rope

>>15834498

>tfw tried reading this book in my doomer phase but was to stupid to understand and to bored to continue

>>15834563

>>15834605

Yeah people say it's supposed to be accessible but I have no idea what the fuck any of it said.

>>15834498
I'm a bloomer, gonna start reading it now

>>15834498
What exactly makes this book so depressing?

If im already aware humans are shit, children get raped en masse, nihilism is rampant, women are whores, modern men are weak shits.

What could this possibly do to make my outlook darker ?

do people actually get depressed, or scared reading words?

>>15836106
Those overly concerned with words and models, this is why people like that should read this book :^)

Honestly I read this book and didn’t think it was all that scary or enlightening. Even if the world is deterministic I don’t really care. I’m privileged in that I’m happy though.

I guess it’s nightmare fuel for people who think they can never be happy doing anything?

>>15834498
only narcissistic pseuds believe in antinatalism

>>15836104
Please go outside.

>>15834498
Thanks OP this is now on my reading list

>>15836302
The even bother reading it you already have to fit into that category. there's no way someone happy would read it and suddenly be inconsolably depressed. People will have you believe that's because they "just don't get it man" but the reality is world view is heavily based on personality. One person can see nothing but negatives in the world and not understand how someone can see positives and other people will have the exact opposite take.

>>15836441
Great answer you cur.

>>15836104
how do you feel about yourself as a human being experiencing this

>>15834498
The impact and efficacy of this book is kinda like hypnotism - you have to really want to believe in the narrative of it to feel anything about it. If you don’t it kinda just seems contrived and like it’s trying way too hard.

>>15834498
Fucking hell, I dropped a this book after reading few chapters for the sake of my mental health. This book is the most brutal blackpill.

>>15836603
>The Conspiracy Against the Human Race: A CONTRIVANCE of Horror
>Its literally in the fucking name

It would have helped if Ligotti was not such a massive pussy and a faggot. The fact that he addresses suicide in only two lines - by saying how stupid people are for suggesting suicide - speaks volumes. He should have practiced what he preached. Like Mainländer. Otherwise, pretty fun read.

>>15838089
I remember him saying something like "oh, suicide is, in a way, the biggest affirmation of life. That's why I won't do it.". What a fucking cop-out lmao

>>15838089
>>15839424
Actually he says that someone who wants to look into suicide has to look into the horror of death and murdering themselves. Death being the most horrific prospect of being alive in the first place. What more would you like being said? Did you guys read the book?

just started this book because of this thread and its amazing, any others like it ?

>>15836106
I’m already depressed anon. I just need that little extra push to kill myself

>>15840783
>the cessation of life is the most horrific component of life. A life that is inherently worthless and tortuous, btw
Ligotti should stick to fiction.

Is his personal ideology ugly because he's an ugly person or is he an ugly person because his internalized poisonous ideology metastasized into physical ugliness?

>>15841464
>ideology
So you haven't read the book, cool.

>There are but four ways to die a sardonic spirit might have said to me
>There is dying that occurs relatively suddenly
>There is dying that occurs relatively gradually
>There is dying that occurs relatively painlessly
>There is the death that is full of pain
>Thus by various means they are combined
>The sudden and the gradual
>The painless and the painful
>To yield but four ways to die
>And there are no others
>Even after the voice stopped speaking
>I listened for it to speak again
>After hours and days and years had passed
>I listened for some further words
>Yet all I heard were the faintest echoes reminding me
>There are no others
>There are no others
>Was it then that I began to conceive for this world
>A special plan?

>>15841492
Don't sidestep the question, Tom.
I did, by the way.

>>15841375
It's not the cessation of living, but the process of dying. If you've been born you will have to undergo the act of dying no matter what you do. There's no escape even in suicide.

>>15841538
No you painted puppet, you haven't read my book. I discussed physical appearance in the chapter on Buddhanomics.

>>15834511
tfw this anon missed out on times when he could have been literally rustin cohle from true detective series 1

>>15841556
Then why not go through with it asap?

>>15841760
Will you help me?

>>15841760
Read my post again and figure it out for yourself.

>>15841801
Okay. You said death is the harshest component of an already agonizing life. It is also inevitable. So I ask you again. If it is inevitable, why not do it asap?

>>15841876
Because I don't want to do it right now. Hope that helps.

>>15841891
But isn't life oh so full of pain already?

>>15838026
They don't realize it's set within his mythos. It's fictional philosophy presented as nonfiction.

>>15836546
this unironically

>>15841931
I've had this retarded argument so many times on this board that I don't care to repeat anymore. If you have any interest in what antinatalists think about this, go read a book.

>>15841960
A cop-out. Just like Ligotti.

>>15842010
Yep, guess so. If you'd ever like to discuss this in good faith, try again in some other thread.

>>15842035
This is why no one thinks antinatalism is a serious philosophy. You're just running away when presented with a contradiction in your own terms.

>>15842096
Guess so. Oh well.

>>15842107
based but thats a funny way of spelling YES. who cares if you contradict yourself, the universe is a big contradiction. POSTMODERNISM

>>15841960
I've read enough antinatalists to understand that antinatalists refuse to think about his.
Antinatalism is just a poor attempt at rationalizing the feeling that life sucks. Antinatalists are incapable of distinguishing between facts and their own feelings, so they believe that their dislike of life must point to some deep universal truth that life actually, factually sucks. hhjjhc
The problem is that almost all of the arguments they come up with to justify these feelings end up implying that death is preferable to life and we should all kill ourselves and take as many people with us as possible. Most antinatalists are quite reasonably apalled by this implication, but because they're already dogmatically committed to antinatalism being true, they attempt to reconcile antinatalism and their aversion to death by simply making it axiomatic that death sucks even worse than life, even though that just ends up introducing a bunch of contradictions to their philosophical system and undermining the whole thing.

>>15841492
>its not ideology because what he believes may or may not be the one true belief
you clearly didnt read the book dipshit

>>15842546
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Timbo.
Please don't actually read Ligotti. It's not for you. Also don't partake in these threads. Thanks.

>>15842779
Oh, let him keep setting up and swinging wildly at his feeble strawmen. It's amusing.

If we ourselves had to experience all the pains of Earths creatures in order to access all the pleasures of Earth then nobody would make that deal because the pains would not be worth it.

>>15836106
you ever heard of religion?

>>15836104
Well, the book isn't really saying "the world is shit". Anybody can tell you that. Instead the book is more focused on telling you "yeah, it's shit, but here's the mechanisms we adapt in order to cope with reality and push death out of our minds." The eponymous conspiracy is the set of lies and delusions we use to function in every day life despite knowing we're heading towards disease and death.

>>15834498
The honest (or incidental) project of the antinatalists is anti-rational antifragility. If you're a truth-seeker then you're ready to hear the truth: you don't need mental processes in your head that makes you feel bad, especially not those that are based on overly rational and material models. You're supposed to read this stuff until it doesn't bother you anymore, only then will you be free from this sickness of rationality

>>15844055
I see.