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Why haven't they produced a single work of philosophy worth reading?

>> No.15863299

>>15863295
The climate?

>> No.15863308

>>15863295
Philosophy is for bland nerds. That said, see: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/latin-american-philosophy/

>> No.15863319

>>15863295
>>>/his/

>> No.15863323
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>>15863295
Why haven't they produced valuable philosophy? They are rich, no excuses.

>> No.15863327

>>15863295
They had Mario Bunge. That's all I can think of.

>> No.15863337

>>15863295
People probably don't translate it. I read a bunch of Brazilian books.

>> No.15863359

>>15863295
Brazil has Mário Ferreira dos Santos, Leonel Franca, Olavo de Carvalho, José Pedro Galvão de Sousa, Vicente Ferreira da Silva, Mangabeira Unger

>> No.15863360

If you don’t come from a rich European family your work probably isnt going to be published too far across le world

>> No.15863368

>>15863323
Dagfinn Føllesdal
Thoralf Skolem
Jon Elster
Nick Bostrom

I'm drawing a blank. Finland is better for philosophy.

>> No.15863370

>>15863323
What makes you think that Kierkegaard's writings are not valuable?

>> No.15863420

>>15863370
The exception makes the rule.

>> No.15863439

>>15863368
All those are pure "Gerede".

>> No.15863440

>>15863370
They're mostly religious blatherings. Very little if any philosophical content.

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>>15863295
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariano_Iberico_Rodr%C3%ADguez
I remember a pdf of his main book (La Aparicion) was on archive.org, because I own the pdf, but I can't find it on archive.org anymore. I intend to finish it some time. I've even thought about even translating it. Sounds interesting.

>> No.15863463

>>15863440
Not if you're in the know.

>Regarding Kierkegaard, since he did tend to use the word "God" a lot in his writings, a number of modern Christians (eg, the "Sea of Faith" crowd) tend to see him as a Christian, and they turn a blind eye to all of his anti-Christian writings.

>That was a fault in Kierkegaard. He should have made his case much clearer.

>There are two different understandings of God within the Judao-Christian tradition: the exoteric and the esoteric.

>My understanding is the esoteric one, and I reject the exoteric. Kierkegaard's understanding was also of the esoteric variety.

-Kevin Solway

>> No.15863484

>>15863463
this seems like quite a stretch

>> No.15863508

>>15863484
To the ignorant mind, perhaps. The wise understanding of his writings is something else altogether. Unfortunately this can only be verified by becoming wise oneself. Are you ready to make the commitment?

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>>15863295
Retard
https://ndpr.nd.edu/news/aztec-philosophy-understanding-a-world-in-motion/

>> No.15863522

>>15863463
Huh? Everything you wrote relates to theological topics, not philosophy.

>> No.15863553

>>15863522
What's the difference? What do you think Kierkegaard is talking about when he uses the word 'God?'

>> No.15863581

>>15863553
Philosophy concerns topics like causality and the nature of time. Theology is concerned with the nature of God and the divine.

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>>15863295
>inb4 Gomes Davila, or Miguel Serrano

>> No.15863601

>>15863454
Why did he pick up your attention?

>> No.15863666

>>15863581
They are both a way of getting to the Truth, aren't they? Ideally, anyways.

>> No.15863680

>>15863666
Not really. For atheists there is no such thing as theological truth.

>> No.15863691

>>15863666
Kierkegaard is good, bro. Scandinavia can be proud of him.

>> No.15863713

>>15863360
This.
Name one famous philosopher who doesn't come from a rich European family

>> No.15863725

>>15863713
Fichte

>> No.15863728

>>15863713
Diogenes, Spinoza, etc.

>> No.15863740

>>15863713
Epictetus
>inb4 'stoicism isn't philosophy'

>> No.15863745

>>15863295
Gomez Davila > any American "philosopher"

>> No.15863752

>>15863680
What is theological truth?

>> No.15863753

>>15863359
Miguel Reale too. Famous philosopher of law.

>> No.15863754

>>15863713
Heidegger

>> No.15863761

>>15863752
Truths about gods or the divine.

>> No.15863769

>>15863761
What is God?

>> No.15863804

Can Sarmiento be considered an important political philosopher?

>> No.15863820

>>15863295
Newton da Costa is a famous logician.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_da_Costa

>> No.15863835

>>15863769
Some sort of supernatural entity

>> No.15863879

>>15863463
Terribly stupid post
>solway
literally fucking who

>> No.15863897

>>15863713
Immanuel Kant

>> No.15863922

>>15863323
Knut Hamsun

>> No.15863925

>>15863295
it aint exactly philosophy but don quixote is pretty epic

>> No.15863926

>>15863713
St. Augustine
Epictetus
Edith Stein
Martin Heidegger
G.E.M. Anscombe
Peter Geach

>> No.15863932

>>15863835
Is this necessarily so or is this just your definition? Is it possible for someone to have a different conception of God than yours?

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>>15863713
Muhammad

>> No.15864785

>>15863359
Tirando o Unger todos insignificantes no cenário mundial

>> No.15864850

Subcomandante Marcos, the Spanish (Marrano?) guerilla-philosopher who LARPs as an indio farmer.

>> No.15864851

>>15863932
If God is a material object, then he would be subject to straightforward observation. Since such a being hasn't been observed, we can close the book on the theory of material gods.

>> No.15864931

philosophy is for neurotic jews and fragile shut-ins. The CHADzillian is more adept of the passion of poetry and prose.
God bless.

>> No.15864943

>>15864850
He doesn't larp as "indio". He larps as a "revolutionary." Fucker wants Chiapas state to exit the Mexican States like fucking Catalunia or whatever. He's also not Spanish but Mexican.

>> No.15865088

>>15864931
Poetry is for women, children and homosexuals

>> No.15865091

>>15865088
Poetry is for men who aren't afraid of beauty, blood and soul. Closeted homosexuals naturally reject poetry because they try hard to appear faux-macho.

>> No.15865130

You probably haven’t heard much about Latin American Liberation Theology because all of the major theorists were mutilated and then dumped in the center of town, but yeah, Liberation Theology is Latin America’s major intellectual contribution. In fact, Zizek revealed that a CIA operative once told him that Liberation Theology‘s influence would be more widespread and deeper than even Fidel Castro’s legacy.

>> No.15865176

>>15863728
>diogenes
cringe. you do understand that all quotes from this ""philosopher"" were put to pen close to a thousand years after his supposed lifetime? imagine if i wrote a book about the knights templar right now, based on stories passed down from one of my great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfathers. how retarded would someone have to be to take anything in it seriously? he is feelgood reddit myth, plain and simple

>> No.15865193

>>15865130
>our special form of social justice is an intellectual achievement
this is your mind on theory

>> No.15865261

>>15864943
Stop your only making him sound more based

>> No.15865849

>>15865193
Can you name another school of thought that so elegantly makes practice just as important as theory?

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>>15863922
>Adolf Hitler

>I'm not worthy to speak up for Adolf Hitler, and to any sentimental rousing his life and deeds do not invite.

>Hitler was a warrior, a warrior for humankind and a preacher of the gospel of justice for all nations. He was a reforming character of the highest order, and his historical fate was that he functioned in a time of unequaled brutality, which in the end failed him.

>Thus may the ordinary Western European look at Adolf Hitler. And we, his close followers, bow our heads at his death.

>Knut Hamsun

>> No.15866275

>>15866160
To be fair, at that point in his life he was over the age of 80, nearly deaf, and had suffered two brain hemorrhages. He also had a single meeting with Hitler that left Hitler absolutely fuming for several days because he spoke over him (due to his deafness) and asked for prisoners to be released.

>> No.15866331

>>15863323
butthurt sh*tskin

>> No.15866604

>>15866160
And? Should we discard Heidegger now too?

>> No.15866632

>>15863295
wait for the unauthorized posthumous publication of meu diário desu.

>>15863359
this. These brazilians solved philosophy more than any continental or analytical philosopher

>> No.15866645

We are more into cool stories that make the chicks go wild. Don´t worry, we'll read your philosophy buddy don't get sad

>> No.15866656

>>15863359
Water water everywhere, and not a drop to drink.

>> No.15867433

>>15864851
So if God is not a finite, material thing, what else could He be? You said "some sort of supernatural entity," earlier. Doesn't "entity" imply finitude?

>> No.15867478

>>15863368
>look mom, I just typed "famous Scandinavian philosophers" in Google and posted few results, that'll show those uncultured Amerimutts how rich and deep our philosophical tradition is!

>> No.15867538

>reading philosophy
holy imo

>> No.15867552

>>15863713
Schiller, and yes he did write philosophy.

>> No.15867585

>>15863295
OP, you forgot to mark the U.S. in your map.

>> No.15868882

What is worth reading Philosophy?

>> No.15869061

>>15863295
You forgot to color the countries on the north side.

>> No.15869111

>>15863295
They are above such trite matters.

>> No.15869151

>>15863359
>Olavo de Carvalho
doesen't that nigga think the earth is flat or something?

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>>15863359
>Olavo de Carvalho
lmao even if you are shitposting, the fact that there are people who legitimately consider olavo a great thinker is all one needs to know to understand why brazil will forever be a shithole

>> No.15869521

>>15863370
Everything about them

>> No.15869650

>>15863713
You got absolutely BTFO, lmao

>> No.15870406

>>15867433
Never said anything about finitude at all. The term "entity" does not entail anything regarding size.

>> No.15870543

>>15864785
E daí? Marx foi pouco conhecido por mais de 40 anos após sua morte. Há outros que só se tornaram conhecidos séculos depois de morrerem. Como esperar que MFS e Miguel Reale sejam reconhecidos no exterior se são ignorados e boicotados pela academia do próprio país?

>> No.15870631

>>15863295
Estanislao Zuleta

>> No.15870655

>>15863295
De Landa
Viveiros de Castro
Posadas

>> No.15870701

>>15870406
What is an 'entity,' then?

>> No.15870730

>>15870701
An element of one's ontology. I.e., anything purported to exist.

>> No.15870792

Ernesto Laclau
José Carlos Mariátegui

>> No.15871348

>>15870730
For a thing to exist it must necessarily have at least one quality?

>> No.15871401

>>15869199
Go on and tell us why he shouldn’t be considered a relevant thinker from Brazil?

>> No.15871410

>>15871348
No, not necessarily. It depends on one's ontology.

>> No.15871419

>>15871401
>flat earther

>> No.15871423

>>15871401
He's an /x/-tier crackpot.

>> No.15871426

>>15871410
God doesn't fucking exist. It's a children tale.

>> No.15871433

>>15871401
>thinks pepsi is made with baby fetuses

>> No.15871450

>>15871419
Where does he affirm the earth is flat? You people are literal whores for behaving in the exact way he wants.

>>15871423
Astonishing refutation of all of his 30 books.

>> No.15871458

>>15871426
You replied to the wrong post, anon.

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15871468

why, my peanus weanus, of course :)

Why haven't they produced a single work of philosophy worth reading? the answer, of course, is my peanus weanus :D

hahaha!

>> No.15871479

>>15871450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l4WmFjzDls
here he affirms how pepsi uses abortet fetuses
but you are probably another crackpot, so yeah, whatever

>> No.15871485

>>15869199
>>15871419
>>15871423
>>15871433
>this is why Brazil is shithole
>proceeds with slanders like any illiterate unable to engage rationally with ideas.

>> No.15871503

>>15871479
I asked about his Flat Earth affirmation you demented imbecile. Illiterate piece of shit what are you doing in a literature board? You have absolutely nothing to say about any of his books because you are a low iq media consoomer. Fuck off from my country.

>> No.15871523

>>15871485
>>15871503
https://twitter.com/opropriolavo/status/1133838337570217984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1133838337570217984%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.metropoles.com%2Fbrasil%2Folavo-de-carvalho-nao-ha-nada-que-refute-que-a-terra-e-plana
suure budy, that nutjob is a good intelectual

>> No.15871530

>>15871468
Based and peanus weanus pilled

>> No.15871533

>>15871450
>>15871485
The guy was literally a newspaper astrologer for decades.

>> No.15871593

>>15871533
>astrologer
Like Pessoa?

>> No.15871600

>>15866160
Godwin's law lmao

>> No.15871604

>>15871503
>>15871523
what? nothing to say about your crackpot daddy? there's your fucking proof, the guy is a god damn crazy /x/ poster

>> No.15871622

>>15871410
What does it mean for something to "exist?"

>> No.15871633

>>15871523
where is he affirming that the Earth is flat? He is obviously taunting idiots like you. Also it is funny how literal flat earthers have the power to gather believers against scienticists (as in scientism) who can't even refute their folly.

>>15871533
>he keeps attacking with unjustified slanders.
Do you know who else was an astrologer? All intellectuals from Ancient Egypt, Ancient China, India, Greece. Not to mention Pietro d'Abano, Alberto Magnus, Pessoa, de Lubicz, Ibn Arabi, Francis Bacon, Roger Bacon...

>> No.15871647

>>15863295
It's hard to write words and learn letters when you have the IQ of a potato and are too busy killing each other.

>> No.15871667

>>15871633
yeah, saying that there is no proof to say the earth is not flat. Are you mad you wasted your monkey currency on that crackpot's courses?

>> No.15871726

>>15871667
>still no engagement with anything written in any of his books
i'd like to reminder that he is a philosopher and you are in a literature board, can you realize that?

>> No.15871743

>>15871726
>philosopher
yeah right, having a piece of paper that says you are a philosopher and writing /x/ tier conspiracy books does not make you a philosopher

>> No.15871760

>>15863295
The best lecturers on german idealism and german philosophy in general, outside germany itself, are in argentina / chile.

>> No.15871791

>>15871743
indeed naught of what you said is required in order to be a philosopher - and does not relate to olavo, lol.

>> No.15871832

>>15871791
learn to read, monkey man

>> No.15871858

>>15871832
holy shit, I wasted 20 minutes talking to a literal retard on the internet

>> No.15871912

>>15871858
>believes earth is flat
>pays someone for the content on /x/
now now, you can't go around insulting people for your 'special' mental condition

>> No.15872040

no time to think when your entire life is spent in survival tasks and cheating on your neighbor.

>> No.15872845

>>15863463
Christianity is deliberately exoteric. Esoteric christianity is a meme

>> No.15872874

>>15865130
>all of the major theorists were mutilated and then dumped in the center of town,
And thats a good thing

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>>15863295
*blocks ur path*

>> No.15873976

>>15871622
Read being and time

>> No.15874004

>>15863713
Camus

>> No.15874021

>>15873375
*sold out everywhere*

>> No.15874144

>>15874021
And you know why

>> No.15874181

>>15863295
It's so fucking hot there why would they sit around in the sun like that faggot. Doesn't make any sense. Any progress in Philosophy was only at first a marginal head start that no other region couldn't have spawned under the right conditions. The only issue was fucking colonial subjugation and deliberate suppression of thought

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>>15863295
I know several from Mexico, but you fucks will only bitch because most of them were anarchists and/or communists with different ideals from you, and we are infested with /pol/tards nowadays.

>> No.15874340

>>15863295
they got assraped by CIA

>> No.15874357

why do Brazilians insist on fucking up every thread about latin america
>>15874257
name them anyway, let the /pol/roaches seethe

>> No.15874450

>>15871485
Silence ESL

>> No.15874484

>>15874257
Philosophers with dumb ideas are still philosophers. Name them.

>>15874357
Because Brazilians destroy things by their very nature. That meme about Brazilians ruining MMOs wasn't made out of thin air.