/lit/ - Literature

>>15906508
all lives matter. Why are niggers so stingy and think the world revolves around them lol

>>15906508
Blacks Don't Matter.

>>15906508
you need someone else to tell or write you what's happening.

>>15906519
Because they created the movement. Same reason saying black power isnt the same as saying white power.

>>15906519

>>15906519
>>15906522

>>15906508
BLM is a symbolic social movement which is trying to address a problem that has economical causes. Focusing on police is just stupid. Black people do more crimes because they are poor, they are poor because of historical and social events, because of those two factors they get shot mroe often. Activists fail at acknowleding the first step, because talking about crimes done by blacks is raysis. That means they have a limited and comfortable worldview in which nothing more than a couple of symbolic changes can be made.

>>15906573
this comic is pretty correct desoo. "All Lives Matter," while technically correct, is often used by "bad faith" actors. its less about saying all lives matter and more about going against Black Lives Matter. no one was chanting "All Lives Matter" until there was BLM.
but i dont blame them. BLM is an incoherent and twisted movement. if they really cared about black lives, you think they would first confront the fact that most black people are killed by other black people. embed that within the context that black people are given certain privileges no other race has
>black guy says "fuck the whites" and its fine
>black people can exclude white people from certain spheres, domains, or talks purely because "muh color"
>black people will pawn off any transgression against them as "RACISM" when really it's just your run of the mill asshole, and you happen to be black
and its easy to understand why many people feel that the BLM movement is disingenuous.

>>15906642
Low IQ and violent genes also play a role in the equation.

>>15906573
Everyone's lives do matter, sorry I don't support greedy delusional niggers that cause most of the problems that they cry about.

>>15906657
source?

>>15906651
Honestly no one fucking cares about poorly educated niggers. It's just you amerifarts.

>>15906666
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24326626/

>>15906573
t.

>>15906671
>p-please ignore all the BLM protests that took place all over the world

>>15906682
Go protest some more about tourist.

>>15906651
>was chanting "All Lives Matter" until there was BLM.
That's because they're mocking the dumb greedy niggers and trying to show how self centered there petty movement is.

>>15906682
let dead protest before their dead.

anything by chris hedges

"Class Notes" by Adolph L. Reed Jr.

>>15906519
Literal 85IQ boomer. I know you're a troll, because even if you're an idiot, no one misunderstands BLM at this point. It's been explained ad naseum. Enjoy your metaphorical upvotes though.
>>15906671
>Nearly every Western nation has massive BLM protests
>I-it's just those nigger loving Americans, everyone else hates Blacks.
More Westerners showed out to support American Blacks than Hong Kong chinese.

>>15906573
kittens lives matter

>>15906508
Thousand Plateaus by Guattari and Deleuze, my friend.

>>15906722
Blm is a greedy movement. The world does not revolve around niggers if you are not an ameripoop at least.
Again, All lives matter. Seethe for me skinny jean wearing cuck

The Revolt of the Elites by Christopher Lasch

> The latest variation on this familiar theme, its reductio ad absurdum, is that a respect for cultural diversity forbids us to impose the standards of privileged groups on the victims of oppression. This is so clearly a recipe for universal incompetence (or at least for a disastrous split between the competent classes and the incompetent) that it is rapidly losing whatever credibility it may have had when our society (because of its abundance of land and other natural resources, combined with its chronic shortage of labor) offered a more generous margin for incompetence. The mounting evidence of widespread inefficiency and corruption, the decline of American productivity, the pursuit of speculative profits at the expense of manufacturing, the deterioration of our country’s material infrastructure, the squalid conditions in our crime-ridden cities, the alarming and disgraceful growth of poverty, and the widening disparity between poverty and wealth, which is morally obscene and politically explosive as well—these developments, the ominous import of which can no longer be ignored or concealed, have reopened the historic debate about democracy.

> Unless we are prepared to make demands on one another, we can enjoy only the most rudimentary kind of common life.

>>15906722
blm have a bunch of commie stuff on their website and are unironically funded by Soros

>>15906722
Why are you so oppressed with nigger, pathetic amerifart? You clearly have some mental deficiency

>>15906747
obsessed

>>15906739
Based and Laschpilled.

>>15906651
>black guy says "fuck the whites" and its fine
This is a common source of self victimization for White People but it isn't true.
https://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=anti%20white
>black people can exclude white people from certain spheres, domains, or talks purely because "muh color"
Black only spaces exist for the exact same reason as Women only spaces, and complaining about it represents a significant lack of self awareness. Also you guys desperately want Blacks to fuck off, so your tendency to complain about this is baffling.
>black people will pawn off any transgression against them as "RACISM" when really it's just your run of the mill asshole, and you happen to be black
Over attributing things to racism doesn't mean that actual real life racism doesn't exist. I'm actually interested if you have specific examples of this phenomenon.

>>15906722
t.

>>15906722
>According to the FBI 2018 UCR violent crime statistics table 49A (the most recent published year) blacks commit 58.2% of the murders (3,859 individual murders).
>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-49

Based on the total population of blacks in the USA (13.4%, 47.4 million) that means that roughly 1/11k blacks commit murder each year.
>https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120218

Why would I support black again?

>>15906738
Buzzword buzzword buzzword. No signs of intelligent life at all.
>>15906745
I could give a shit about BLM the org. BLM the hashtag and movement predates the Org by years. BLM has existed since Trayvon Martin, whereas the political group was formed years after.
>>15906747
Literally infatuated with Blacks.

>>15906775
>Buzzword buzzword buzzword.
Yet buzzword in itself is a buzzword here. Well played.

>No signs of intelligent life at all.
Nice u dumb retort, how witty.

>>15906775
Go worship some more niggers cuck but careful not to rip your skinny pants friend.
All lives matter by the way.

>>15906651
It's more complex than that.
It's correct to compare the situation of black people to that of a house engulfed in flames in the sense that the black population is not a serious competitor for political/economical power. They're actually stagnating, making less money, owning less property, committing more crime etc.
That's why the slogan is effective, people *know* something is wrong but they incorrectly assume that it has something to do with police brutality or nebulous concepts like systemic racism. The fact of the matter is that nothing the "left" is proposing will actually improve their situation, the solutions are actually more likely to have a negative effect if you care about things like economical power or political influence beyond aimless rioting
Another issue is that the black population is a linchpin of american cultural imperialism. They're mascots for the struggle, the multicultural project and the american dream. It's a not very costly but highly visible distinguishing symbol for america and the west, differentiating them from china or russia. A black rapper or basketballer is a very effective symbol for the idea that "anyone can make it in america, even a lowly black person with some sweet rap skills"
They're more useful as a symbolic struggling population than a middling population so the victim narrative is practically sanctified.

>>15906807
Blacks love blaming their inadequacies on racism and almost every single one of them does it :(

>>15906519
This lmao. Modern leftists are unironic segregationists.

>>15906508
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

>>15906815
yes this fact is very sad.

>>15906764
>This is a common source of self victimization for White People but it isn't true.
It is. The entire intersectional discourse is set up to allow blacks to express a violent hatred of whites with impunity. Hip hop musicians frequently proselytize for cults that see whites as subhuman. Stop being so dishonest.

>>15906661
>>15906671
>>15906707
Seeing how faggots like you were saying their lives didn't matter at all for the past 300 years or so with slavery and jim crow, they have the right to be "self-centered" for once and say their lives do matter. Seethe about it more, because the percent of people who think like you will only continue to shink.

>>15906712
Like you could do anything about it, other than whine on some mongolian basket weaving forum

>>15906807
>That's why the slogan is effective, people *know* something is wrong but they incorrectly assume that it has something to do with police brutality or nebulous concepts like systemic racism. The fact of the matter is that nothing the "left" is proposing will actually improve their situation, the solutions are actually more likely to have a negative effect if you care about things like economical power or political influence beyond aimless rioting
Another issue is that the black population is a linchpin of american cultural imperialism. They're mascots for the struggle, the multicultural project and the american dream. It's a not very costly but highly visible distinguishing symbol for america and the west, differentiating them from china or russia. A black rapper or basketballer is a very effective symbol for the idea that "anyone can make it in america, even a lowly black person with some sweet rap skills"

Too high IQ for /lit/. Most il/lit/erates here never analyze their own cultural biases and assume everything they've been told in school is correct.

The book of revelation

>>15906671
Basado

>>15906833
According to the FBI 2018 UCR violent crime statistics table 49A (the most recent published year) blacks commit 58.2% of the murders (3,859 individual murders).
>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-49

Based on the total population of blacks in the USA (13.4%, 47.4 million) that means that roughly 1/11k blacks commit murder each year.
>https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120218

In the essence of fairness, I compared the rate at which whites commit rape according to the above table (63.8% or 8,615 individual cases)

Whites make up 76.5% of the US for a total of 197,181,177. This means that roughly 1/22k white people commit rape each year.

Thus, if my math holds, you are around 1.8x more likely to be killed by a black person, than raped by a white person.


Why would I support them again? Very greedy and violent group of people

>>15906815
Let's assume they didn't do this or couldn't figure out how to play this victim narrative effectively. They'd most likely become more like native americans or australian aboriginals; stagnating and forgotten. Being a mascot is at least a place in the spotlight and there's life and meaning to be found in this bigger narrative.

>>15906862
>let's assume they didn't do this or couldn't figure out how to play this victim narrative effectively.
Can't because as we know they aren't smart enough and will continue blaming the fact that they work at mcdonalds on other people :)

>>15906573
>>15906568
>>15906722
Black Lives Matter would be an important statement IF black people in America were in fact oppressed. Unfortunately, systemic racism has been debunked before. There's no actual evidence of widespread racial discrimination/racial bias against black people in America.
No evidence of racial bias in redlining/lending: https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2019/08/10/on-redlining-and-racial-bias-in-lending/
''muh incarceration rates'', ''muh unarmed blacks shot more by popo'', etc.: https://www.encounterbooks.com/features/11-critical-points-race-crime-america/
https://www.city-journal.org/html/criminal-justice-system-racist-13078.html
Why black neighborhoods are more over-policed (An example of cause and effect, it's another example of Occams Razor): https://whiteprivilegeisntreal.org/black-vs-white-crime-statistics/ (not biased, use the FBI, DOJ, and US Census Bureau as sources)

Thomas Sowell wrote about this in Discrimination and Dispairites. A disparity does not equate to discrimination the same way correlation does not equal causation. Activists look at disparities and immediately assume discrimination is the reason behind it. BLM supporters are touting baseless conspiracy theories as factual. It's done more damage. If BLM are fighting for equality, then just imagine how much equality is going to suck. If you're white and you support the BLM movement, you're a fucking chump.

>>15906508
All lives matter

>>15906568
>>15906573
So it's okay for them to wear shirts that effectively say BLACK POWER because they created the slogan in response to an "oppressive" force (the same force that freed them, btw), but it's not okay for whites to wear shirts that effectively say WHITE POWER? And people should just bend over backwards for them and give them handouts because they are wearing these shirts and they are "downtrodden" people (even though all non-wealthy immigrants are such when they first arrive to America)?

>>15906833
History lesson on slavery: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ppzevg/hey-v12n5

Let me guess, you also think the Crusades weren't justified.

>>15906888
Australian aboriginals aren't able to spawn riots across the entire west so they're not completely without power and influence even if it's a highly symbolic kind.
>will continue blaming the fact that they work at mcdonalds on other people :)
I'm not sure a society can survive with everyone just accepting their status based on their "inate" abilities. Politicking, scheming and conspiring against higher status people is as natural as any other game we play

>>15906807
To brush off systemic racism is to betray your own lack of understanding. Everything you say could be true, but your insistence on denying the potential responsibility of your tribe scuttles your entire position.
>>15906832
You said something that was factually untrue. The only dishonest person here is you.

The black situation is complex. It is without historical precedent and is also distincly American. The demographics of Blacks in other western Euro nations are largely immigrants or immigrant children. However, the AA population is almost entirely descended from slaves. 150 years ago we weren't people. 57 years ago we were legally second class citizens(The vast majority of southerners opposed the 64 Civil Rights Act). Most black people are aware of Real Estate and Lending practices that specifically target blacks for Subprime loans and denial of Mortgages for houses in quality neighborhoods(Undeniable, a quick google search will show you this). The last point is as recent as 8 years ago and likely persists to this day.

Blacks in the US have a legacy of inferiority. We have a literary and musical tradition steeped in the exploration of that inferiority. Our cuisine is largely borne from the fact that Blacks had inferior meats and ingredients. Attitudes towards education stem from the times where the only Blacks who could dream of higher education where Mullatos, which birthed resentment for the Educated and Well Spoken Negro.
Blacks are also fundementally unamerican. WEB spoke of the dual legacy of the Negro, and this afflicts Latinos and Asians as well, but for the Negro it is different. The Asian and Latin man can trace his people's immigration to this country. The Black man's ancestors have been on this path of land for as long as anyone. He also has no idea who he is. The AA man has no conception of himself outside of America, yet his very title suggests that he is something else.

I personally take issue with many aspects of Black culture. I don't need to coon it up and write an essay about it because you all do it for me. But this universal attitude of illacknowledgement of the role of your People in my people's situation is so intellectual dishonest that I'm convinced you aren't real people.

>>15906642
>Black people do more crimes because they are poor,
Nonsense. No evidence for that and a mountain of evidence against it. You just believe it because you've been told it a thousand times a day since you were born.

>>15906850
Don't get me started on interracial crime stats. Black-on-white crime is a bigger issue than white-on-black and the media doesn't even report on it.

>>15906642
>muh socioeconomic factors
How does poverty explain rape?

BLM is in bad faith, black grievances have been co-opted by the liberal elite, and though you think you're on the "right side of history", you're doing almost nothing to actually improve the state of black American's lives, only damaging race relations and social cohesion with your short sighted woke religion.

>>15906912
Because we live in a political context with certain ethnic settings. White people are supposed to be acquiescent, that's how we manage immigration and foster goodwill among immigrants. No one cares about black power because nothing runs on black power, the west runs on "white power". Openly talking about white power implicitly means that you want white people to be less acquiescent and that's simply not the game anyone is playing

>>15906508
This movement is pointless because african americans are the most privileged people in the US.

Indigenous lives matter

Seriously why did the south not just use wageslaves and instead used negros . The south is probably our most "interesting" area of the country but my god they are the cause of all this shit whether they want to acknowledge it or not

Basque lives matter

>>15906508
No one is oppressed living in Amerifatland. You fuckers are all privileged

>>15906965
How do people come to these conclusions? I feel like a significant amount of conservatives believe this and I'm wondering how an intelligent lifeform can think like this.

>>15906764
whens the last time there was any national outrage anytime some black person made a derogatory remark based on race? lets not even talk about the random nobodies on the street who, despite being filmed, do not make the news the same way "local racist white man forgets he isnt in his house"
>"As against our gauzy national hopes, I will teach my boys to have profound doubts that friendship with white people is possible. - Ekow N. Yankah (New York Times, 2017)"
"In an Esquire interview [Spike] Lee said, “I give interracial couples a look. Daggers. They get uncomfortable when they see me on the street.”
and if the speaker was white?
or how about you couldnt possibly have experienced "the hard knock life" because
>YOURE A STRAIGHT, WHITE MALE!
over attributing racism doesnt mean real life racism doesnt exist, but it comes off as the boy who cried wolf. now situate that within the wonky narrative of "systemic racism" and among the myriad of "racist" accusations that turn out to not be true (when has Trump actually said anything that was definitively racist? the orange clown is friends with Kanye West).
really, youre telling me racism is the reason you got pregnant at 16, your baby daddy ran off, and you cant hold a full-time job?

>>15906924
it doesnt explain why black immigrants from the Caribbean (which also had a history steeped in slavery) perform much better across most metrics when compared to American blacks.
>The Asian and Latin man can trace his people's immigration to this country.
and what about the Juden who has no land at all? most Jews cant trace back their immigration. and if had to quantity atrocities, the Jews have been persecuted for a long, long time (also, i dunno, 6 million dead at one point).
i agree with you that there needs to be some acknowledgement of the historical legacy of the struggles black people faced, but tell me which group of people havent had their own struggles?
>the Irish, viewed as the subhuman scum of Britain
>the millions of Eastern European serfs
in fact, i wish to take this opportunity to trace back my part Neanderthal genes and declare a historical legacy of literal genocide and oppression by the homo sapiens. my people dont even exist anymore for god's sake!

>>15906924
systemic racism from where? or do you mean individual racist actors? because that isnt the same as systemic racism. you can say "there are still a shitload of individually racist actors." but claiming there is racism stemming from some systemic basis (e.g. laws, policies, etc) seems dishonest.
or do you mean the systemic racism that favors black people such as in educational opportunities?

>>15906508
The nutshell?

>This thread.

>>15906508
wh*te women
that's all you need to know

>>15906924
> but your insistence on denying the potential responsibility
You're rationalizing your own desire for ethnic power. What are you going to do if suddenly all white people disappeared? Whine and grovel for chinese people and hispanics? I don't think you would, you would suck it up and try another song and dance routine because you know they have less tolerance for that kind of stuff
My *only* responsibility is for meaningful coalitions. There's nothing in it for me to have all my political tools and platforms being hijacked by desperate race grifters

>>15907002
>no argument just ad homs
Kek. Seethe twink. Truth hurts.

>>15906573
Black people are one of the most privileged in the United States, mate.

>>15907002
>How do people come to these conclusions?
How do you not?

>I feel like a significant amount of conservatives believe this and I'm wondering how an intelligent lifeform can think like this.
Go back to your minimum wage job flannel wearing basedboy

>>15906950
>White people are supposed to be acquiescent
Is that what you call democrats proposing to send billions of dollars towards non-whites even though there have been many poor white families affected by this pandemic as well, and precisely after a series of riots in which public property depicting white historical figures were openly disparaged? What a sound political strategy that surely won't backfire in any way.

This is not about your acquiescence shit even remotely. That ship has sailed.

>>15906573
>false equivalency
Kek

>>15907002
Google:
''CAREN Act''
''BLM New York Mural''
''Affirmative Action''
Then take into consideration how every single institution and celebrity backs BLM, Spokesperson on Sony's social media defended the riots. We are quite literally letting black people destroy our country out of fear of being called 'racist'. A black person can openly say racist shit about white people and suffer little scrutiny for it. You aren't seeing dox campaigns against black people saying racist things or doing violent things, only white Americans. I would say black people being able to get away with crimes is a bit ''privileged''. A black person getting a good scolding and warning by his employer for posting something a bit controversial on his social media vs. a man and his wife (who had nothing to do with it) being fired from their jobs for saying ''All lives matter'' is far from ''equality'' so BLM is obviously fueled by racial superiority. If you support BLM, you support black supremacy. But oh wait! Black people cant be racist because racism is power + privilege. So that makes the discrimination and violence commited by them okay.

>>15906833
> "Seethe about it more, because the percent of people who think like you will only continue to shink."
> he says in times where people are waking up in unprecedented numbers to Marxist lies

>>15907116
I unironically support BLM because it is weakening USA. As a non-USA citizen, why would I not support the replacement of European descendants in USA with African ones? It helps every other nation on earth by degenerating the by far most warmongering nation. A few more generations and they will be intellectually castrated.

>>15907086
First of all, I don't think any of these behaviors were conceived of as rational models or political strategies, it's more emergent than that with many actors aligning in just the right way for it to happen.
Most white people probably doesn't see it as acquiescence because they aren't in that mental space to begin with. They believe slogans about diversity and inclusion and "we're all just humans", they intuitively understand the strategy without putting it into words. They follow moneyed and political interests, they don't worry about where it will take them in 50 years
>What a sound political strategy that surely won't backfire in any way.
Everything backfires eventually, every strategy must change, every agreement must be renegotiated. I never said anything about the righteousness, effectiveness or the justness of this set-up

>>15907152
Based

>>15907005
>>15907015
>Systemic Racism
Would you agree that a tendency of "Individual Actors" to behave in the same way could represent a systemic problem? Also, I wouldn't consider the behavior of "Individual Actors" to be separate from the System when those individual actors are major corporations. Here is what I consider to be Evidence
>Discrimination Against Black Names
https://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
>Lending as a Black Person
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wells-lending-settlement-idUSBRE86B0V220120712
>Black schools offer fewer AP Courses
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/crains-forum-public-schools/analysis-growth-advanced-placement-participation-not-reaching-all
>Black Schools recieve less funding per student
http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational-leadership/may02/vol59/num08/Unequal-School-Funding-in-the-United-States.aspx
This is a subpar article but I can't find the one I used originally. Basically, Rich Black Schools recieve 1k fewer dollars per Student vs Poor White Schools. This was worse decades ago, when the modern Black middle aged person attended school.
>Boy Who cried Wolf
I don't think this analogy is accurate. The boy lied, and established a pattern of lying. Overt and undeniable suppression and Oppression of Blacks existed prior to and in excess of any exaggeration.


>>15907061
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>>15907081
Nothing intelligent to say, nothing to back your claims. Just catchphrases, meme language and insults. Are you real people?
>>15907116
This is mealy mouthed appeasement. None of this is the substantial framework changed that Blacks have been requesting for decades. The Elite traffics in half assery and symbolic gestures and pats themselves on the back. Also Affirmative Action works, but it isn't anything approaching a comprehensive approach.

>>15907148
Not that guy but this is an insane denial of reality. There are more Fash people now but the average Zoomer and Millenial call themselves socialists.

>>15906912
>the same force that freed them
the same force that allowed Jim Crow, the KKK, and any and all forms of terror against Black people to happen.

>>15907165
>Nothing intelligent to say, nothing to back your claims. Just catchphrases, meme language and insults. Are you real people?
Still no argument. Yawn.. You'll have to try harder.

>>15907152
playing the long game I see

>>15907165
Blacks are the most privileged and dumb though, anon

>>15907152
BASED

>>15907168
>>15907177
You'll notice that I'm earnestly engaging with people who present actual arguments. I expected you to surmise this but maybe aren't so great at Reading Comp

>>15907167
The same force that gave blacks the various benefits of living in an advanced society and culture for many decades.

>>15907185
What engagement you just posted links because you have no idea what you're talking about. Blacks are one of the most privileged in the US, mutt.

>>15907185
>You'll notice that I'm earnestly engaging with people who present actual arguments. I expected you to surmise this but maybe aren't so great at Reading Comp
Then you should have no problem addressing my source debunking your claims of racial bias in lending/redlining:
>>15906893

>>15907165
Honestly you can just some up all this into black being dumb and usually criminals.

>>15907222
Occam's Razor isn't a thing with these people. No matter what, the explanation is always going to be discrimination and racial bias. No other factors could possibly play in.

>>15906508
Give me the fucking microphone.
Listen up.
I'm sick and tired of all you loud ass entitled niggers running your mouths.
Every single day you come out here, you make the same damn posts. "black lives matter" this, "white fragility" that.
Well guess what I'm gonna do?

I'm gonna take my mouse
>WHAT?
I'm gonna click on the post number
>WHAT?
I'm gunna start typing in the reply box
>WHAT?
I said I'm gunna start typing in the reply box!
>WHAT?
I'm gunna call you a nigger
>WHAT?
A pavement ape
>WHAT?
A porch monkey
>WHAT?
A no good son of a sheboon
>WHAT?
I'm gonna solve that captcha
>WHAT?
The one with the fire hydrants
>WHAT?
The one with the stoplights
>WHAT?
The one with the bicycles
>WHAT?
The one with the cars
>WHAT?
The one with the busses
>WHAT?
The one with the CROSSWALKS
>WHAT?
I'm gonna click submit
>WHAT?
I said I'm gonna click submit!
>WHAT?
I'm gunna derail the thread!
>WHAT?
Send all you ungrateful niggers back to Africa
>WHAT?
That's right, I said I'll send you back!
>WHAT?
AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE
>WHAT?
CUZ STONE COLD SAID SO

>>15907222
fuck dat 9-5, nigga. im working out da trap

>>15906508
Books on understanding modern Zimbabwe?
Books on understanding modern Lithuania?
Books on understanding modern Turkmenistan?

Do you know how fucking stupid it is to feel any need at all to "understand" America? You only care because it's popular, it's all just a fucking popularity contest.

"America is relevant because it's made relevant by CIA (Hollywood) propaganda, therefore I have a vested interest in America"

I'M SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THIS SHITTY THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE AMERICA, IF WE DON'T TALK ABOUT AMERICA, IT BECOMES IRRELEVANT AND LOSES POWER. THERE IS LITERALLY 0 REASON FOR EVERY DAY PEOPLE TO BE TALKING ABOUT WHATEVER POOPOO PEEPEE BULLSHIT AMERICA IS UP TO. YOU AREN'T A FUCKING FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER, PISS OFFFFFFFFF

>>15907201
>America
>advanced society
...
>advanced culture
lol

>>15907237

>>15907165
no, i wouldnt agree that the tendency of individual actors to behave in the same way represents a systemic problem. you could argue the system has been corrupted by the proliferation of bad actors, but it isnt the same as saying the system is outright racist. we dont enshrine racism in our laws and books anymore; its now done behind closed doors. and as far as i can tell, almost every single major corporation has come out in support of the BLM movement. also, i dunno, black president, hundreds of thousands of white girls marching for BLM movent. i cant remember the specific case, but it was a police shooting of a black person. the city council there was black. the attorney general was black. the chief of police was black. it was probably baltimore, chicago, or detroit.
>Discrimination against black names
https://economics.missouri.edu/working-papers/2014/wp1419_koedel.pdf
there was little discrimination found among last names. its class discrimination, not race discrimination. people who name their children Lakeisha or Mercedes tend to be of the poorer class, and people from the poorer classes tend to display behaviors bad for the workplace (poorer work ethic, more likely to make a fuss of everything). these names are heuristic for filtering out "bad employees."
>Black schools offer fewer AP Courses
probably because black schools tends to be euphemism for inner city schools. and "good" teachers are far less likely to be willing to teach or put in the work at inner city schools because of uncooperative student populations.
>Black Schools recieve less funding per student
https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/detroit-schools-spend-more-educate-less-than-other-us-urban-districts
more funding doesnt even necessarily better educational outcomes. there are only so many books, pencils, and tables that you need.
over attributing racism is inherently a lie. calling someone a racist when theyre not is a lie. even if its not the boy who cried wolf, its the shitty weather guy who gets the forecast right 2 out of 7 days. thats not different than a broken clock that's right twice a day. the point is that it severely weakens your credibility.

>>15907237
Based Stone Cold

>>15907255
The fuck are you on about?

>>15907298
>and "good" teachers are far less likely to be willing to teach or put in the work at inner city schools because of uncooperative student populations.
>because of uncooperative student populations.
That's an understatement. You may find teacher testimonies from nigger schools enlightening.

>>15907328
the guy(s) ive been having a dialogue with have been doing so in good faith. i didnt want to risk derailing this genuine conversation. although you are correct in that "uncooperative" is a vast understatement when compared to actual testimonies from people who've taught there.

>>15907328
>You may find teacher testimonies from nigger schools enlightening.
Examples?

>>15907353
just google. this isnt even some harder to find data set or study. in fact, its even a common trope in popular media. although it usually ends with
>brave teacher comes and rescues "THE KIDS"
oh look, its the hooer with a heart of gold trope but instead its
>THE KIDS

>>15907349
>in good faith
I'm assuming you missed the part where the social justice activist you're responding to is unable to even write the word "fashist". He's not here to change his mind or understand you.

>>15907252
Are you retarded?

>>15906508
I believe the book Sheeeeiiiiitttt Mufugga by Tyrone Demarvius IV gives a pretty good overview of what the modern US is like

>>15907416
i didnt miss that part. but he was responding to someone else in a comment chain whose nature and atmosphere was quite different than the comment chain with me.
you gotta give people the benefit of doubt. you gotta be willing to cooperate on some level.
on the other hand this is Four Chinnel..
>AHEM, I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE
>FUCK JANNIES

>>15907393
Just post them faggot, I don't know what exactly to "google" (anyone with half a brain uses ddg) and seeing as they're so easy to find, it should be no hassle to post them for some (you)s

>>15907466
I got some reddit links if you're interested.

>>15907466
nah, i wont post them. it would only encourage a bunch of cheeky cunts like you to just say
>source?
>examples?
i also use ddg and i found the results pretty quick. either youre too retarded to figure out what to search, in which case, this conversation isnt going to go anywhere, or youre unwilling to do it, in which case, this conversation isnt going to go anywhere.
unironically, this would be a good situation to use the basedjack meme of
>SOURCE? OMG SOURCE?
sealion some more.

>>15907498
>>15907478
just send the links. Everything I get is CRT bullshit.

>>15907212
No helping you
>>15907260
This is 75% of this thread. These people also consider themselves intelligent, reasonable, and reserved emotionally.

>>15907298
We aren't talking about systematic racism, we're talking about Systemic racism. The racism does not need to be reflected in the law. The bulk of your interaction in the US will be with private actors. Your employer will be a private actor, your Banker, your Lender, your Financial advisor, your School Counselor. A consistent pattern of behavior among private actors in positions of power represents diminished circumstances for the group being discriminated against, whether this is Legal or no.
>Class vs Race
Good point, further research shows that common Black names like Jalen are not discriminated against, while La and Da names are universally discriminated against. I'm going to see if a similar situation arises with low class white names(-Lynn, -ayden) before I completely accept that this is primarily a class issue. Although it being a class issue wouldn't diminish it as a problem, it would just shift the conversation.


>Funding
I don't think this is honest. Funding is massively important for student outcomes. I really need that article. I will continue to look for it while I relay the information found in this similar article.
"For low-income students who spent all 12 years of school in districts that increased spending by 20 percent, graduation rates rose by 23 percentage points. Due to the measurement error or “noise” found in almost any study of this type, the effect could, very plausibly, be as low as 8.7 percentage points and as high as 37 percentage points. The estimates are based on the study’s analysis of 15,000 children born between 1955 and 1985. All account for a host of other potential explanations, such as school desegregation, War on Poverty programs, and demographic changes."
" “a 10% increase in per pupil spending each year for
all 12 years of public school is associated with 0.46 additional years of completed education, 9.6% higher earnings,
and a 6.1 percentage point” decrease in adult poverty "
This is a general idea, here is the average Black v White expenditure per school over the years
1930 $4 vs $26 (Georgia)
1960 266 v 366-900 (Chicago)
"On average, poor nonwhite school districts receive 19 percent, or about $2,600, less per student than affluent white school districts. This type of funding discrepancy is present in 21 states and is worse in some than others. "

School Funding and Reform is my personal hill. It is my strongest argument and has the clearest effects on success.


>>15907416
Please fuck off and stop trying to get your dishonest tribal stink everywhere. I've been on this fucking website for 6 years and this is the first time someone has been actually articulate about any of this shit and didn't just default to their dated infographics, buzzterms and slurs. Nobody here learns anything after their first week.

>>15907527
Here you go Anon, https://old.reddit.com/

>>15907536
1920s Georgia was actually 4.26 vs 36. It's also important to realize that these "Shitty black students" are being raised by black parents that had worse educational circumstances.

>>15907165
Your cognitive abilities seem to be lacking, just like black peoples.

>>15907536
>No helping you
But blacks are the most privileged anon and commit most of the crime in the US. Also all lives matter :)

>>15907536
see
>>15906850

>>15907536
>Why yes I wear skinny jeans and own a fixie bike and just worship nignogs how could you tell?

>>15907536
then dont call it systemic racism, capital S or not.
>insert Chris Rock standup on "black people vs niggas"
>everything white people hate about niggas, black people hate too
what about all the black teachers at inner city schools? black businesses in the hood?
black people tend to be poorer, and black people tend to commit more crimes (particularly violent crimes, like murder). is it any wonder banks dont want to lend money out to such a populace? its not a black thing, its a
>poor people renege on their debts, also are less likely to make a return on their investments. also, if anyone is bad for lending money to, its criminals.
i have a feeling middle or upper class blacks dont face these same problems.
>Funding is massively important for student outcomes.
its massively important if its for stuff like keeping the lights on, putting food on the table, ensuring you have pencils to write with and textbooks to study.
youre conflating funding for schools and funding for the basic necessities of life.
no ones debating that finishing schooling will lead to a better outcome for life. the crux of the issue is that it isnt because these schools dont have enough money. its because poorer schools tend to have students belonging to single parent households or poor families. and this demographic tends to exhibit bad behaviors (spend money on luxury goods when youre not rich, drug behavior, criminal behavior, places less value on academic performance, etc) which then, obviously, influences the child's upbringing.
schools can only do so much. when did raising your kid "right" become a school problem. its your kid. its your family. and that doesnt even touch upon the fact that America has a culture of "DONT YOU DARE TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY KIDS."

>>15907017
I don't understand?

>>15906682
>Ignore the astroturfed protests around the world where hundreds of millions were spent to make headlines

Will do.

>>15906508
All lives matter fuck those greedy self centered nogs that only think of themselves

>>15906519
the common response to this is "yes all lives matter, but black lives need the spotlight due to years of social and systemic injustice"

>>15906807
>the solutions are actually more likely to have a negative effect if you care about things like economical power or political influence beyond aimless rioting

But that's the thing. They want to keep Blacks as a bludgeon. The entirety of the Left's supposed compassion to racial minorities is nothing but the most awful form of exploitation imaginable.

Blacks with a college education were more likely to vote Trump than those with just a high school education. That right there tells you everything you need to know about the Left's real motives with Blacks.

>>15906924
>The only dishonest person here is you.

Ok, Liar. Your pants are sending up smoke signals.

>>15906978

Truth. Blacks were sold into slavery by their own people. The Indigenous only suffered from being so harmonious with their environment they never developed advanced weaponry.

>>15907002
>How do people come to these conclusions?

Affirmative action is literally preferential treatment based on race. You just don't know what gratitude is, so you think it's something you are owed, and therefore not privilege.

>>15907536
pick your side so (they) know where to shoot.
It is funny that you consider wagecucking a success tho.

>>15906573
this but unironically

>>15907165

You are only raising immunity to your attacks.

>>15907652
And my response would be: nah.

>>15907569
>>15907612
I'd really like to thank this website for curing me of my self hatred. I went to the poorest school in the County, and got into Advanced Placement program that was 95% white. This was my first time seeing white people. Everybody was rich, and everybody was hyper intelligent. I was one of three blacks. We were attached to the second poorest school in the region, and the blacks there were horribly behaved and frequently harassed us.
When I was 12, I moved to a primarily white Church. Most people here were smart, and those who weren't were still better than the people I was exposed to at school. Everyone was also Upper Middle Class or above. They were kind and well behaved.
Black people really are shit, I thought. I avoided black movies, black music, and black people.
Then I joined 4chan. You guys literally ruined white people for me. Almost all of the white people I had met up until that point were either near my level or above it. The average person on this website isn't even capable of forming arguments. You display poor levels of literacy and little understanding of any aspects of the world around you. Fuck you. I hate black people less but the idea that White people were this race of rich, intelligent, and well behaved people gave me something to strive for. Nope, people in general are unintelligent, regardless of race. What an awful reality this is.

>>15907617
I said Systematic vs Systemic yo
The funding is important. The shitty black parents, the dumb single mothers, the absentee single fathers; they all went to shitty, underfunded schools. I don't quite know what you're arguing against. Comprehensive education reform is really the only tangible path to general Black Success. Also we need to make "Rapper" a less lucrative career choice. "Ballplayer" is fine, as reality will determine whether or not this is plausible., but niggas NEVER give up on their rapper dreams. I don't hate hip hop but it needs to be in the realm of "hobby" for most black people instead of a career to work towards.
>>15907720
Sure, sure.
>>15907701
The state of black people is such that consistent wageslavery is success. The days of low skill and no skill labour is coming to a swift and violent end though, and don't think any race of people is prepared. Also, I try not to have a side. I am fundamentally anti intranational tribalism. However, in order to combat intranational tribalism you have to delegitamize their claims.

Look, Caribbean and African migrants do really well here. My mother is a Caribbean migrant. The Valedictorian of Princeton is Caribbean, many of the blacks at top Universities are African or Caribbean. To boot, some Caribbean and African nations are better off than the black American. This knowledge guides my rhetoric and my proposed paths to success.

>>15907762
Blacks are the most privileged and also commit most of the crime though anon.

Also >>15906850

Blacks simply want white people to think about them as much as they think about white people.
Forever and eternally rent free.

>>15907762
>anecdotal nonsense
Didn't read. Black people are privileged in the US, so get over it.

>>15906573
Aren't blacks human?

>>15907773
Anon the most active threads on the board right now are about black people

>>15907762
systemic and systematic are almost synonyms. the BLM movement would fare better if it made your distinction. but it's a ground-up movement, and so there are obviously coordination problems. and its no wonder then that people will criticize the BLM movement for actions and behaviors that you dont condone or believe in. its because a certain segment (or at the very least, a noisy minority) clearly does advocate and believe in XYZ.
>The shitty black parents, the dumb single mothers, the absentee single fathers; they all went to shitty, underfunded schools
how do you explain the differences in crime rate between the single parent household rate now and the single parent household rate in the early 1900s (among blacks)?
the tangible path to any success (particularly if youre poor, black or white, because poor white people face pretty much the same issues) is education. the current system is set up to reward education. but education doesnt just poof out of schools. you can have the best teachers and it wont be anything if the student doesnt do his homework or study for his test. the values of hard work, the values of good behavior, the value of academic performance stem from the family, or at the very least, a more intimate parental role (aka, your parents, maybe your elder relatives, or perhaps a local community leader like your pastor). i dont think it should stem from the school. at which point, whose raising your kids, you or the school? if we're going to outsource raising your kids to the teachers, outsource funding your kids to welfare, outsource taking care of your kids to child services, then godamn, sign me up. i wanna nut inside fertile pussy too. that shits my fetish.
we have a fundamentally different view on life, and that trickles down into our views on a myriad of other things. i dont subscribe to the Rousseauian view of life. Hobbes had a much better description. life wasnt meant to be kittens and rainbows. theres a reason most of the major religions all believe in the same thing "life sucks yo, and here's the way to make it suck less."
throw in a bunch of white people and itll be called imperialism by another name. wheres the local communities taking care of their own? wheres the black leaders organizing for their own? wheres the families taking care of their own? the parents raising their kids? and perhaps the most important of all, people taking responsibility and agency for themselves?
ive said it once, and ill say it again. look at the Juden. look at the overseas Chinese communities. look at immigrants from the Caribbean. you acknowledged it yourself; there are certain aspects of black culture that are bad. but somehow criticizing black culture is the same as racism. yet we're fine criticizing Middle Eastern cultures that stone women to death. some parts of your (you being a stand in for anyone's culture) sucks, some of its good. welcome to melting pot America, where we discard the bad and keep the good (or the sacred).

>>15907536
Alright, so you intentionally ignored my sources debunking yours. Go fuck yourself.

>>15907866
i ran out the word length.
>how do you explain the differences in crime rate between the single parent household rate now and the single parent household rate in the early 1900s (among blacks)?
at one point the income levels between blacks and whites werent as drastic as they are now. it was still less (for the blacks), but then the early 1900s was Jim Crow. the crime rates were relatively similar as well. so was the single parent household rate. its a correlation, but it does seem to indicate something - single parent household rates (for blacks) skyrocketed to the 70? 80? percent rate of now, and so did crime and income levels.
pinning it on "having mom and dad" is probably too simplistic. but "having mom and dad" is probably a representation of something that runs deeper. keeping a family together means hard work, doing the right thing, and all the other cheesy values Four Chinnel makes fun of.

>>15907791
Crying children usually get attention.

>>15907773
Pretty much this. Claiming there is a problem of racial discrimination presupposes a consideration towards the race of an individual in an encounter. African Americans feel this consideration deeply, and are trying (or are succeeding at) forcing racial conscientiousness in whites, because taking personal responsibility hasn't been working favorably for them so far.

>>15906508
The philosophy behind it:
>Mill - On Liberty
>Horkheimer/Adorno - Dialectic of Enlightenment
>Rawls - A Theory of Justice
>Stefancic, Delgado - Critical Race Theory: An Introduction (not worth going deeper than this into CRT imo, you might disagree)

Examinations:
>Bloom - The Closing of the American Mind
>Tocqueville - Democracy in America (Part IV)
>Mill - On Liberty
>Legutko - The Demon in Democracy
>Haidt/Lukianoff - The Coddling of the American Mind
>Deneen - Why Liberalism Failed
>Schmitt - Concept of the Political
>Strauss - Natural Right and History

>>15907957
>>15907913
There are probably 12 black people on this website, and yet every single major board has at least one thread up about black people. The politics board has even more. It's odd that you would say
>Blacks simply want white people to think about them as much as they think about white people.
When you can clearly see that this is the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiVfe2AtK2c

>>15907986
I didn't say that they weren't getting what they wanted. How many threads outside of /pol/ are about black people when there isn't a chimpout going on? They act out, and they get their attention that they want. When this is not the case, whites on the whole dont think about blacks, while the reverse is not true.

>>15906508
If you really want to understand America, read Roger stones rules book. His ideas are up for debate, but he still gets credit for being involved in election turnouts. You won't get better insight than a former disinformation agent.

>>15908078
Why deny what's before your eyes? Or do you simply not see? Must I create a list of communities/websites/works specifically created by whites about Blacks or can you figure it out?

>>15907762
>Comprehensive education reform is really the only tangible path to general Black Success.

Here is your problem. You think schools can teach socio-cultural values. They cannot and do not. Churches can. Parents can. Public school teachers cannot.

Public School Teachers are meant to be educators and babysitters, not state funded parents, and not Priests.

What exactly set you and your behavior apart from all the other Blacks. How has 'white society' treated YOU compared to other Blacks. If it treated YOU better, simply due to your own choices and actions, then does that not undermine your entire victim narrative?

>>15906519
Wrong. Life doesn't matter. It has no intrinsic value.

>>15908602
Hah. The basis for my entire position(Schools plus encouraging Dual parent households), is based on my upbringing.

Brother I didn't even know I was black until I got around white people. I had a man literally kick me out of a soup kitchen because he didn't believe I was a volunteer despite me coming in with a group of other (White) Teenage Volunteers. He demanded to see my Timesheet, told me to fuck off to the dining room, and kicked me out into the winter cold when I tried to explain myself. Would've been there all night if a parent didn't come for me, who also berated me for leaving without telling someone. I was constantly mocked for my dark skin, by Blacks and Whites Alike. White people made blatantly racist comments in front of me, my friends basically used me as a 6 Foot Tall N Word pass, and every single white man I met tried to blatantly Father me. A man at my internship called me "Colored" and lamented the fact that HR made them hire minorities.

My Sister and I are massive outliers in terms of black success. I earned a 2130 SAT and a full scholarship, my Sister earned a 1500 and attends a top 20 Uni. We grew up working class. I had worse clothes than the poor blacks I went to school with. I never had a fucking Xbox or any of that shit. We ate Ramen and shared cups. Here's what we did have:
2 Married Parents who never fought in front of us.
A strong community foundation in the form of Churches. We always had somewhere to go and somewhere to be
2 College Educated Parents
An attitude that attending University was a matter of course
Parents that watched TV, made music and went to church for fun. We never idolized the club or the bar.
My mom independently taught us reading and math before School

Most importantly? We never had to attend our district schools. We also went to Magnet, Charter (Mostly Black), or Advanced Placement Schools

The charter schools were particularly important. It introduced me to a Black Mirror of sorts; I was surrounded by working class Blacks who cared about their education and weren't criminally minded. The only difference between us and the rest were that our parents fucking cared. That's the largest hurdle, and it's solution is Educational Reform.

>>15907773
This

>>15908720
Go back to africa if you are so upset.

>>15908720
>>15906850

>>15908737
this we would all be much happier

>>15908737
Who's upset? You? I assume you didn't read the post. understandable, clearly you don't have the time.

>>15906924
>You said something that was factually untrue. The only dishonest person here is you.
Nothing you said disputed my claims.

>>15908758
>>>/africa/ privileged ape. No one cares about your anecdotal garbage that isn't an argument and serves no purpose you literal fucking ape

>>15908720
Why are black people so retarded? Why did you write all this lol?

>>15908774
>noooooo WHY didnt u read my sob story what means nothing!!!!!!!!!

>>15908774
>>15908766
Hey pal you asked.
>What exactly set you and your behavior apart from all the other Blacks. How has 'white society' treated YOU compared to other Blacks. If it treated YOU better, simply due to your own choices and actions, then does that not undermine your entire victim narrative?

>>15908792
>everyone is the same
newfag lol

>>15906508

>>15908357
What the fuck are you talking about? Take your meds.

>>15908794
what bro anonymous isn't a username??!!

>>15908720
I didn't even think about race until I was around niggers all they do is talk about other peoples race and white people specifically. We live rent free in your mind.

>>15908720
>The only difference between us and the rest were that our parents fucking cared. That's the largest hurdle

I think that's a good assessment.

>and it's solution is Educational Reform.

Tell me how you can possibly believe you can 'educate' the Blacks that you are grateful to be separated from to be responsible parents? What was their attitude towards their teachers, towards authority?

How can you possibly believe THAT will work?

>>15908720
It seems based on what you said that the most important factor to your success was the community you were around. The flaw with just chalking it up to "education reform" is that putting more money into education at inner city schools won't make the community less shit. People don't care about school and why would they? You sit in class all day and learn about things that don't seem remotely important on the surface. All for what, to get a job that you'll probably hate so you can grow up to be a neurotic narcissist like everyone else?
Schools are only going to get worse and honestly in the future the adults in the community should be stepping up to teach these kids not only information but good cultural values. This is true for all races as the shitty American school system affects us everyone regardless of what color you are.

>>15908834
>Schools are only going to get worse

Education reform IS needed. Schools should get better. They need to transform with new technology.

There is a major change that can occur here, for the better.

>>15906508
This might point you in the right direction anon

>>15908817
>>15908834
Education reform isn't just giving schools more money, that's one part. You have all been in American high schools. You've also been in a Calculus/Physics class with complete retards who will never pass, won't go to college, and certainly wont graduate from the college they attend. What has become of those people? They work at Walmart, right? They make within 5 dollars of the minimum wage? You don't even know what they're up to, except some of them are pregnant? The system is brutally failing these individuals. These kids need gainful employment, but they're either lost in the shuffle or shoved down the college preparatory track because who the fuck cares. Oh, and if you suggest that fewer kids should be funneled into college you get slapped down by the Corporate Slaves because college is a billion dollar industry, and you get cancelled by the well meaning Anti Racists because they think you're calling black people dumb.

The fact of the matter is that every single "Good Black Parent" I know has a "Shitty Black Parent" in their lineage. They broke the pattern due to a variety of circumstances, but one aspect is universal: gainful employment.

No one cares about your high school diploma. It's toilet paper. But these high school kids who will never see a College Diploma don't have any marketable skills, no certifications, and no path to the trades while in High School. They fuck around, graduate with a 2.1 GPA and fall into the aether. This is a fundamental failure, and an indictment of the classical education touted by the modern liberal.

>>15906573
Why use this shitty comic when there's one that actually illustrates the point correctly?

>>15907957
I fully support the blacks in their goal of raising white consciousness in this country.

>>15908884
>The system is brutally failing these individuals.

Is it? What do you intend to make of these average individuals?

Will they all become Doctors, Scientists, and Engineers? All that takes is the right teachers with the right resources?

You have to realize there's crossover here with the same underlying problem as this thread:

>>15907559


Realize that jobs like cashiers, etc. exist only to keep those peasants busy. We have had the technology to eliminate a huge number of jobs for a long time. The problem is what those people do without them.

You can see this problem is playing out even in privileged classes, as more and more educational attainment becomes a hamster wheel that isn't actually producing anything.

All of this also has connections with Ted Kaczynski. We're at an odd point in humanity. The oddest part is we've pretty much been here before, just few people remember.

>>15908993
I'm curious--when were we at this point before?

>>15909009

Eh, that's when this becomes an /x/ discussion.

But think Atlantis.

>>15908884
You sure did type a lot of words to do absolutely nothing to define what "educational reform" actually entails.

>>15908993
I specifically referenced some jobs. I mean I suggested a new Working track that is seperate from College Prep. Of course I don't intend for them to become doctors and lawyers. This melding of my distinct position with the played out rhetoric of every Black person having Doctor and Engineer potential is dishonest. I want more black Metal Workers, Plumbers, Accountants etc. As opposed to the tens of millions of Black nothings.

You don't have to tell me about automation. reconciling my position with the fact that most of the jobs I want people to specc into wont exist within 20 years is difficult.
I don't think the Capitalist Machine makes decisions like you're insinuating. I think we keep these menial labor positions because the initial investment required to banish them to obselesence is too great. As soon as the tech becomes sufficiently cheap, these jobs will be memory.

Full or Mass automation is an utter beast that very few empowered people have any plans to address. It's bearing down on us and we're just watching, praying that a God will come out of the machine and save us. Wait until the lawyers and other button pushers realize that the robot isn't just going to devour the Cashier.

Wait until the Warehouse worker and Truck Driver goes from making 45-50k a year to living off the government teat.

>>15908972
That's only because you're interested in the potential material benefits you might enjoy from it.

>>15909012
That Disney movie?

>>15909014
Fair. 3 main points
1 Eliminate the Per student Spending Gap. This is a necessity and can only be done on the federal level
2 Provide Certifications and Training in the trades in High School. In order for this to happen you must
3. Greatly reduce the amount of kids in College Prep and change the curriculum of the kids who are already off of the college prep track.

A few cities have already beaten me to the punch on Point 2, which is one of the few reasons why our decentralized structure of government is beneficial. Point three will be hard. Most kids really don't receive any benefit from learning Algebra 3. Classical Liberal Education insists that we educate them in these things for the sake of having an educated populace, but it ignores the reality that most students will immediately forget what they learn, if they learn at all. Tangible and verifiable skills will improve the state of the national poor.

"When will I use this in real life?" Is a real rebuttal. Sure, he may know what a Sine is. But he stocks shelves for 11 dollars an hour. How did that class benefit him?

>>15909033
What material benefits are you referring to?

>>15908849
Schools were designed to make obedient factory workers. The system at it's core was flawed and currently fails to prepare the next generation to the problems of the future. Better to scrap it all instead of salvage it imo. With the internet you can get all the information you need anyway.

>>15908884
I completely agree. I just think the best way to "reform" it is to get rid of it and just ask parents to actually raise their kids if they want them to be worth anything. Schools at this point are basically just parents outsourcing what was traditionally their job.

>>15909103
I see the merit in tearing up a flawed system at its roots. We just need a way to ensure that enough of our children are getting the skills and knowledge they need. I'd agree more if I could convince conservatives to support policy that encourages a more communal style of parenting. People still have to work, and all people have deep rooted flaws. The inadequacies of the Bio Parents shouldn't necessarily be detrimental to the child. The 'birth parents are still primarily responsible, but "It takes a village" should be more than a nice sounding idiom.
Unfortunately the Nuclear Family unit and the Communal family have been dichotomized, which in American politics means my grandchildren will die without the two positions ever being unified.

>>15906722
>no one misunderstands BLM at this point
Then stop doing it.

>>15909022
>This melding of my distinct position with the played out rhetoric of every Black person having Doctor and Engineer potential is dishonest.

That was not my intent. I was including all the 2.1 GPA whites that I went to high school with that you referenced into that.

>I don't think the Capitalist Machine makes decisions like you're insinuating.

Then you are just afraid to face the truth. Corporate middle-management is all about average people who did not have the talent to be a Great Scholar enjoying being able to waste their subordinates time. Remember, money is 'fiat'. Somewhere down the line, there's a group of men with a printing press smiling that people will enslave themselves for faith in the greenback.

>>15909117
All the more reason for individuals to try and promote the future they want to see in their communities. Stop sending your kids to school and spend more time with them even if it means getting less money.
The hard part about this is that many of us are in enslaved with debt. The best I can see the government doing to mitigate this is UBI. However I wonder if that has a possibility of happening now since the big issue is the racism boogeyman despite the fact that this issue affects every race.

>>15909089
>Better to scrap it all instead of salvage it imo. With the internet you can get all the information you need anyway.

We will need to scrap much of it.

Those school buildings are actually pretty nice infrastructure, though.

My vision for future education also melds with what I think is necessary to address both the redundancy of labor issue, as well as the deeper cultural aspects at play.

First, we finally eliminate busywork as much as we can. People do not like admitting that so many jobs are just paper pushing and not essential. But if we can encourage a shift in policy that allows more parents time with their children and community, this will enable deeper changes in education and community.

The next point would be that education would be more community oriented. Those Moms that we just freed from wageslaving can go to school with their kids. Classes become community oriented. Both parents and children could become better educated, and discuss what they learned.

Once community is re-established, cultural stability follows, or that's the idea, at least.

>>15909167
This could be the case. In fact, the ramifications of even partial automation are so obvious that the simplest explanation probably is that they're just holding off. I would just be surprised if, in the system I'm familiar with, people did something that cost them money while also improving the lives of the population.

I do think the breaking point will be automated supply chain aspects like trucks and warehouses. It's too tempting and would greatly reduce costs. Would also evaporate tens of millions of well paying jobs held by people with no other skills.

>>15909180
I argue about race in life and online not because I think it's a huge issue, but because I think it's a massive distraction within a nation. Facts are that Black people cost this country quite a bit of money on average, and rebuffing any attempt to improve that situation is literally costing the country money and internal stability. This is a negative practice, even if you hate blacks. We need to be a unified front, there's so much on the horizon that a shattered nation can't deal with.

>>15906508
Not that hard to understand. America has been the most successful entity in recent history, and we're on the path of cultural decline. After reaching the heights of political influence, economic growth, mean happiness, and quality of life in the mid 20th century, the darkest side of capitalism that took roots in these years has begun to poison life.

Politically, it's clear that the whole affair is a rat race, and has always been. There is no change. Only money. No candid politicians, only ideal young idiots and the greedy old. Good causes, maybe, but it doesn't matter so long as the nucleus of the establishment operates on the same principles. You're not going to change it from the inside, you're just going to be absorbed. And hopes for a revolution was killed long ago.

Economically, the heights of the 20th century are long gone. Wealth inequality is at an all time high. The dominant media and popular culture focuses on the same consumerist heroes and ideology that rose to prominence in the 20th century, but nobody has the money to keep to it anymore. Lavish lifestyles aren't sickening; they're the dream. The urbanites enjoy the little bit that drips down from the high cost of living, but the picture is much clearer in rural america, where nobody has money to spend on anything but rent and drugs to forget all about it.

Socially, the information age has killed the quality of life. Humans are not meant to exist mentally in a world that is so big compared to themselves. Nobody is special anymore. Everybody has a hometown, but nobody has a home. Social lives have become a facade of what they used to be, now concerned with ostentation and near-impossible to navigate among the ulterior motives and poisoned minds of everybody. No matter how hard you try to avoid it, it's in everything.

I could go on for hours, but modern America is like a train that reached the top of the mountain and caught fire, still rolling but everybody inside slowly cooks.

It really all boils down to the death of the American dream. At its inception and height, it was the idea that anybody should be able to live comfortably through honest labor. Somewhere along the way, it became the notion that the only success there is in life is the zeroes in your bank account, the size of your house, and your social clout.

But maybe I'm wrong about most of this stuff. But it should be clear to everybody that there is some poison that runs in the heart of American life, one that has slowly corrupted the idea of what the experience of a human life should be like into whatever the hell it is people are chasing today. All of the perceived turmoil is just a symptom of the disease.

I'm not saying America is going to collapse anytime soon. That's just a delusion. I'm saying it's probably not worth living here anymore.

>>15909226
I think the solution is violence. True, politically motivated, widespread violence. It's funny how much this website freaks out about the "chimpouts". Apologies for the pop culture reference, but it's reminiscent of the Architect in the Matrix. The violence, the protests, the brief rioting, it's all muscle memory. It's happened every two years since rodney king. A black guy gets roughed up by an authority figure, the city it took place in in mired in riots and protests. The country perks up about race, we hit all the familiar beats
"Blacks do it to themselves"
"Systemic this and that"
"Black on black violence"
"My fucking grandmother remembers not being allowed in restaurants."
The participants are firmly entrenched, the corporations chose their sides and engage in predictable manipulation disguised as advertising disguised as political pandering. No meaningful policy is enacted, nothing changes. Americans are convinced that ethnic violence is around the corner. The same people who were in power when Rodney was beaten are in power now. Yet, suspiciously, we're still in this hole and they keep winning elections. 15 congressmen have been in power for over 36 years. 15 Senators have been around for 20 years, 60 reps. Yet we never get any structural change and are somehow surprised.
I don't want to LARP as a fetishizer of terrorists, but Ted had something approaching the right idea. Show the big fellas that the little guys are still capable of far reaching and shocking displays of unrest.

>>15909289
The question is, are they? Are they really capable of doing something? The deep state has won. There are cameras everywhere. The government has UAVs that can land a 2000lb bomb from 20 miles away with a precision of +/- 10 meters. That's probably a low description.

There is not going to be a revolution. Not a violent one. Terror bombings, sure, a couple of assassinations maybe, but none of these things will have real political change. The nucleus of the system, like I said, will stay the same. The only way to change it is to tear it out. Concessions may as well be nothing.

But a revolution happens. The cops, bosses, bankers, politicians, all of the ones who have progressively ruined the dream these people once had and then continued to sequester wealth have all been lynched in the streets. Then what's left? The people left to lead are the poisoned individuals I mentioned before. Look what happened to every other revolution. It devolves into the same rat-race of power.

I'm not a determinist, but I think there is a theory to the cyclical empires and cultures theory. You and I are just unlucky enough to have missed the height, by a half century or so.

The best thing, I think, is to retreat inside yourself. Disconnect yourself from all of the shit that's going on outside. Take pleasure in the little things. I guess I am a defeatist coward, but the wheels of history and of power structures as big of America are too crushingly gargantuan to change, not in our lifetime, anyway.

But at least the decline is interesting. Fun to watch.

>>15909327
>I guess I am a defeatist coward, but the wheels of history and of power structures as big of America are too crushingly gargantuan to change, not in our lifetime, anyway.

Your slightest action has the power the shape the future.

>>15906508
Infinite Jest

>>15909338
Keep telling yourself that. If it isn't going to fix it until I'm on my deathbed or after, then why the fuck do I care?

>>15906508
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>>15909376

>Why should I care about founding a stable country if I'm going to die?

>>15909399
The British that Georgie had to worry about were across the ocean. The National Guard station is 20 miles away. I understand your sentiment, but there's a difference between a death wish and a fair shot at emancipation through conflict.

The only real way that America could be changed or defeated through an uprising would be through some sort of mass general strike. But who would show up to work when the majority of adults are living paycheck to paycheck?

I have hope. It's just not much.

>>15909430
Hey pal, thanks for reminding me about National general Strikes. National Syndicalism was my initial hope for achieving structural change via non violence. I believe that there is a path, I've been studying Mussolini and he actually laid out a solid framework. Must be why he's very rarely discussed when Fascism is brought up.

The hurdle is getting your message out there. The right would be dissuaded by Anarchist language and my race, the left would be turned off as soon as they google national syndicalism. The most prominent political voices in this country primarily lie within this very narrow realm of neoliberalism, with the DemSoc bringing up the rear.

This is why we need a unified front though, if Mass Strikes would benefit all Americans, we can't have these racial and social schisms hindering the process.

>>15906573
Black Lives Matter

>>15906508
race or mongrel

>>15906508
Thus Spoke Zarathustra
Something about niggers and their pet leftists being the Last Man and hating everything that is good and decent

>>15907165
Black schools offer fewer AP classes because black schools have black students

>>15906519
all lives do matter . I think the black people right now just feels their life doesn't matter as much as others'. I also sympathize with the black people's pov and some of their problems.

>>15909831
>black people right now just feels their life doesn't matter as much as others
Given how much they like to murder people in cold blood I dont think they value much life in general

>>15909883
Well there's been a 20% decrease in black inmates since 2007(Greater than White and Latino counterparts), so maybe they're changing their minds about it.

>>15909895
>Well there's been a 20% decrease in black inmates since 2007(Greater than White and Latino counterparts), so maybe they're changing their minds about it.
Only because police are afraid that enforcing the law on niggers like they do everyone else is racist. Trayvon Martin would have already been prosecuted for being a little criminal, but he was let off because he is black.

>>15909911
I see, you question the legitimacy and efficacy of the legal system when it generates information contrary to your beliefs, but the bulk of your beliefs rest on a particular statistic generated by this same system. Your reliance on it necessitates its legitimacy, but you scrutinize it brutally if its information goes off message. You are more contradiction than man, faggot.

Just read a police report for a burglary but skip every over sentence. It'll make no sense but you'll get the vague feeling something is being stolen.

>>15909933
Nice cope, niggerfaggot. Are you really that much in denial that there is a large following of people that will riot in the wake of a justifiable homicide against a black criminal?

>>15909967
This follows from nothing. I was just pointing out the massive hole in your logic.

>>15906739
>>15906757
Based Laschbros

>>15909973
No holes there, we just watched blacks rioting in the streets for 4 months without ramification. If you were able to dislodging your mutant head from the cave of your own asshole you'd have been prescient to that.
God damn you subhumans are dumb

>>15907963
Holy fuck, is this a non-retarded post on /lit/?

>>15906642
>a problem that has economical causes. Focusing on police is just stupid. Black people do more crimes because they are poor, they are poor because of historical and social events
No.

>>15906642
>>15909993
Mexicans have, in a couple decades, managed to outrank blacks in home ownership and higher education, despite every attempt to uplift these savages by making everything as free as possible for them.

They will continue to argue that it is society, and not their own culture, which is holding them down.

>>15909980
You wont understand my point, but I will explain it for the >95IQ people browsing this board.

You are a captain of a ship. You have a man whose sole job is to report Leaks and the person responsible for the leak. He has, to your knowledge, dutifully reported the information he is meant to, but you've never checked behind him. One day, he tells you that in the process of scraping barnacles, one of your mates punctured the hull. Your intuition leads you to believe that this report is nonsensical, and you check for yourself, revealing the report to be fraudulent. Would you not then question the legitimacy of all preceding reports that you were unable to verify for yourself? What about the 30 people you've fired for supposedly flooding the ship? Are you to believe that the reporter was honest and legitimate in all other instances? Probably not.

>>15910026
Not even going to read your retarded analogy. At least, as retarded as you are, you didn't try to make it a food analogy; but those kinds of posts in general always display the posters general lack of intelligence and understanding.

>>15910041
You literally weren't supposed to read it. Congratulations for following directions at least, you are a testament to your race.

>>15910052
Okay DeShawn, try not to steal anything on the way out.

>>15909226
It's called individualism and materialism.

>>15907165
>Would you agree that a tendency of "Individual Actors" to behave in the same way could represent a systemic problem?
Kinda like black crime is systemic niggatry and jewish nepotism is systemic nepotism?

>>15907165
Why are blacks so desperate to live around White people? Just go to Africa where there arent white people around to oppress you.

>>15909226
You really aren't wrong. I bet the grandfather of these black people protesting could probably walk on a job after high school and support himself. Follow MLK's vision. Now there are black people working doubles on both weekend days just to stay afloat.

>>15910578
There are white people in South Africa though, I guess an exchange program could be had.

>>15906508
Baudrillard's America

Century of the self

>>15909624
This.
Nietzsche just had to live around Germans, imagine what he'd said if he had to live around American niggers.

>>15906519
Do you realize that there are people on this earth who completely hates you and wish that you were dead and for all your dreams and hopes to come to naught? Do the lives of these people really matter to you?

>>15912312
It's unhealthy to enjoy the idea of killing another person.

>>15906573
False equivalency because "black lives matter" implies people who don't support the movement disagree with that premise. "Save the whales" and "breast cancer awareness" are not loaded titles.

>>15911944
>There are white people in South Africa though, I guess an exchange program could be had.
There’s already have plenty of white South Africans in the US.
https://www.iol.co.za/ios/news/ex-sa-man-faces-99-years-for-alaska-murders-rapes-40405320

>>15912349
My cholesterol is high

>>15912382
if you don't support the 'save the whales' movement then you disagree with the premise as much as you do in the case of 'black lives matter'. there's no difference pseud

>>15906642
If this was true crime rates would just be a function of income. This is obviously not true as Asian immigrants who are as poor as American blacks commit less crimes. A less contemporary example is Irish, Italian and Jewish immigrants to NYC in the early 1900s. Crime rates were clearly Irish>Italian>>>>Jewish. Please educate yourself before spewing talking points on my board.

>>15906931
>>15909993
>https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/va/arlington/crime

>https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tx/garland/crime

>https://vittana.org/26-poverty-and-crime-statistics

>https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

>https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/nav/jsf/pages/index.xhtml
>>15906937
poverty - shittier education, shittier social surrounding - shittier culture - more unhinged retards running around doing stupid shit
>>15910003
mexicans historically werent opressed in the same vein as black pypo

>>15912423
Different kinds of oppression. Irish, Italians were just poor, blacks were poor AND black, meaning they had no social power at all. Because of that, Irish and Italians could easily integrate into the white American culture, WW2 just accelerated it. After WW2 the Irish and Italians got all of the social benefits that blacks didn't.

>>15907762
>Judging an entire race off a extremely selected minority
Your opinion is as valid as someone who watched interviews of blood members and extrapolated them to all black people. 4 Chan users are not at all representative of how most people think.

>>15912549
Let me know when a Catholic president finishes his term without getting killed.

>mfw I enter this thread

>>15912566
what do you mean?

>>15912590
I mean we had a black president for 8 years with no problems, but our only Catholic president got fucking assassinated in his first term.

>>15912590
The Irish Catholics had it worse than blacks because some commie shot Kennedy

>>15912349
Okay. Do you believe that that is relevant to my question? It is possible to not value someone's life without enjoying the idea of killing them or even enjoying the idea of them being dead.

>>15906807
>analogy
TLDR, Dropped. Back to r/dilbert faggot

>>15908943
How does that illustrate the point correctly? Blacks are underrepresented when it comes to killings by police. And major stories that cause these riots like trayvon martin or george floyd end up being entirely untrue as the news presented them. trayvon was killed while assaulting Zimmerman. floyd was complaining of not being able to breathe while he was still standing and had high doses of drugs in his system along with multiple heart disorders and COVID. If you ask them about "systemic racism" you can never get a clear answer. And when we actually look we find that blacks have an easier time getting into schools and jurries have a pro-black bias.

>>15912418
"if ur against antifa ur FOR fascism ummm duhhhhh its in the NAME!!!!"

>>15906807
>The Black man's ancestors have been on this path of land for as long as any other non-Indigenous American.
FTFY

>>15912349
I agree. That's why it's dangerous to extend basic rights to such unhealthy people without any precautions put in place first.

>>15906722
>Literal 85IQ boomer
85 is the literal IQ of the American n8gger population, you faggot dysgenics apologist. Midwits like you should be sterillised.

>>15906722
Based

>>15912757
This would also seem to end up applying to you, though.

>>15906924
Based

>>15907165
based african american anon btfoing /pol/

>>15907538
>well yeah there are a lot of testimonies
>can you post them
>nah bro you can find them
>if you can post them then why not, i cannot find them
>lmao just find them

Can you at least admit you have no sources and pulled that out of your ass?

>>15907536
based

>>15906508
Not a book, but still useful.

>>15913340
I have to think that this is something related to IQ
People who are fat tend to be more retarded and thus unable to change the status quo of corporate oligarchy that we have now

So even if they see everything collapsing around them they'll still continue to do nothing about it because they physically cannot from all the burgers in their mouth.

It's probably the main reason why this will be the Chinese decade

>>15912549
The point of the comparison was to show that crime rate is not just a function of discrimination. Irish, Italians and Jews were all discriminated against at some level but do to their culture but the Jewish crime rate was low and the Irish crime rate was sky-high. This demonstrates how crime is caused by culture and not poverty. I would suggest reading about the conditions of Irish ghettos set up by early irish immigrants in England and the United States. It puts the Black ghettos of today into perspective. Your point on Irish and Italians integrating easier then Blacks into US society is definitely true, but it fails to account for the facts that Blacks high rate of single parent household and crime did not begin to emerge until the 1960s (far from the height of anti-black racism in the US).

>>15913278
I'm not consciously seeking to kill others.

>>15913357
people that bring up iq are themselves retarded

>>15913416
Post your Arab lifting weights already rather than trying to wait me into a conversation.

>>15906573
the "all cancer matters" is on point though, nobody gives a shit about anything else than breast cancer thanks to their activism ironically even cervical cancer

>>15906642
>Black people do more crimes because they are poor, they are poor because of historical and social events, because of those two factors they get shot mroe often.
asians and mexicans disprove your entire thesis, next argument

>>15913588
>Two different groups of people
>Two groups of people whose families have been in this country for <60 years
>He thinks the chinks that built railroads are the ancestors of today's Asian Americans
This is the caliber of person you're arguing with.

>>15912626
>Do you believe that that is relevant to my question?
Do you believe it isn't? People who want to aggressively harm others are mentally unwell. Their life has fundamental value, even if it has to be taken because they've used it terribly or are an objective threat to others. Just killings should be distributed with the highest level of solemnity and public scrutiny and only out of absolute necessity. Those subject to this should be pitied as the sick, as a victim to themselves and whatever their circumstances caused their illness and robbed them of their chance to find positive appreciation and meaning in life.They are victims, though to a lesser extent than their real victims were to them.

Having sadness about the loss of a life doesn't mean investment in that individual or their character, but of profound appreciation and love for life in general and hope for human happiness that this person has squandered for themselves and others. If we were to become desensitized from that, then we are ourselves becoming unhealthy.

>>15906508
Tocqueville unironically