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>>15926677
retarded pedo religion that rightfully got btfo'd

>>15926677
>t. fancied his sister but she told him what a creep he is
maybe you should move to alabama anon, they still go in for that kind of thing down there

>retarded pedo religion that rightfully got btfo'd

>>15926681
Not in the Gathas. These were later additions not central to the religion.
>>15926677
>>15926684
Zoroastrianism was not perfect, but it still has many good aspects to it.

Wow. Islam isn't so bad after all.

>>15926686
funny thing, as the angloid bugmen get their lands encroached by shitskins more and more we can see the tolerance and yes even acceptance of such behaviors increase by the year
the soipost, in this occasion, would most rightfully be directed to pedo and incest enablers as that is the culture brought in by shitskins into the west

>>15926677
>Zoroastrian religious text provide unequivocal evidence for the desirability and occurrence of nuclear family incest in order to "preserve the purity of the race, to increase the compatibility of husband and wife, and to increase affection for children"

>"blessed is he who has a child of his child (...) pleasure, sweetness, and joy are owing to a son that a man begets from a daughter of his own, who is also a brother of that same mother; and he who is born of a son and mother is also a brother of that same father; this is a way of much pleasure, which is a blessing of the joy (...) the family is more perfect; its nature is without vexation and gathering affection"

I am speechless.

>>15926692
>dumbass who only relies on memes to learn about complex religions

>funny thing, as the angloid bugmen get their lands encroached by shitskins more and more we can see the tolerance and yes even acceptance of such behaviors increase by the year the soipost, in this occasion, would most rightfully be directed to pedo and incest enablers as that is the culture brought in by shitskins into the west
lmao slave morality bitch

>>15926697
>>Zoroastrian religious
Anything outside of the Gathas can easily be reformed.

>>15926702
ironic that it is coming by someone who is promoting a religion to call someone else to be under the yoke of slave morality
you should halt for a moment and think how it is so that what you're advocating for is also what intersectionalists, pussies, and soibois advocate for, if indirectly, when they promote tolerance to islam and other shitskin nog tier behaviors like raping your own siblings
even european monarchs limited their incest to cousin marriage, and the youngest age girls would go would be when they at least had their first period
you're advocating for some caveman morality here, and it's not even euroean cavemen but sandnigger/nigger cavemen morality
you are essentially a sjw in terms of morality lmao

>>15926715
Zoroastrianism came from steppes and from Proto-Indo-European peoples, not from desert Semites.

>>15926715
I support asserting dominance. I think youre digging too deep.

>>15926727
and yet the behavior system, if i believe the OP, is the same as some nigger/sandnigger behavior engage in
if it was left behind it was left behind for good reason
keep dying your hair and dilate, trannies

>>15926735
>if it was left behind it was left behind for good reason
lol ok progressive

>>15926735
>learning about the full complexity of a religion from one bad practice
You're an idiot.
Also, plenty of ancient civilizations have done stupid or cruel things. Didn't European burn cats and hunt witches? You move past that stuff. It's not central to the religion/culture.

Even the Jews admit that they ripped off the "one true god" bullshit from the Persians.

>>15926735
>>15926739
>>15926677
Also, there is some evidence the earliest practitioners of xwedodah came from Sintashta people, who are more closely related to NW-C Europeans. It may have been influence from Proto-Indo-Iranians, who were more like Europeans and hailed from the steppes.
Regardless, none of this is central to Zoroastrian metaphysics. Xwedodah should end though, yes.

>>15926677
Wtf I love zoroastrians now

>>15926703
I mean, what is a religion without its traditions? I had read something similar about ancient Persians in a presocratic philosophical essay, but I ended up dismissing it as Greeks being prejudiced spreading rumors. Then Nietzsche said ancient Persians believed Magi-priests could only be born from incest, a comment which I found peculiar. But then this, which shows that it's a complete tradition. I'm not morally enraged, I just find it very strange and astonishing. There is seem to be a repressed incestuous desire in everyone (or at least most people), but to see it acted upon and even encouraged is very astonishing. I wonder if mental retardation that is correlated with incest was widespread back then.

>>15926677
>or son
is inconsistent with
>virginity belonged to her brother or her father first

>>15926783
>I wonder if mental retardation that is correlated with incest was widespread back then
stop falling for jewish lies

>>15926785
Well a woman's virginity should have been taken first before she gives birth to a son. You aren't very bright, are you?

>>15926783
I remember reading an argument about how such a practice may have originated with the Aryans/Sintashta peoples, but I don't know.
I am just influenced by Mazdean dualism, that's it. I disregard traditions like Barashnûm and Xwedodah. I created a superior tradition, and I genuinely believe myself to be a prophet. I am greater than Zoroaster, Mani, Mazdak, Jesus, Buddha, Bodhidharma, Muhammad, Moses, Lao Tzu, and so forth.
Iranshahr should accept me as a new prophet and Saoshyant. My thoughts and wisdom are highly original and touch on the deepest issues plaguing the modern era.

>>15926783
Cleopatra was to marry her brother.

>seem to be a repressed incestuous desire in everyone (or at least most people)
You're thinking out loud, don't do this. If you want something to think about the story of Cain and Abel according to Islam. Now go and read.

>>15926798
Speak for yourself, fool.

>>15926799
I've seen your posts before. Forgive me if I'm too blunt, but you are just an unfortunate individual whose intuition greatly outweighs his intellect, which results in schizo beliefs. The contents of the collective unconscious are very intimately and intuitively known to you, but your intellect fails to assimilate these insights to your conscious worldview rationally. What you say isn't false, but also isn't true. I recommend suspending your beliefs for a while and seriously studying some epistemology. Then, try to formulate your insights with some tight epistemological foundations. If you manage to do that, you might end up creating a great philosophical work. If not, you'll unfortunately just remain a schizo that is misunderstood even by himself.

>>15926825
I have read a lot of Western philosophy from Kant, Schopenhauer, Deleuze, Derrida, and more. My focus was more on philosophy of mind and neurophilosophy though. I have two STEM degrees.
I am hesitant to share my views due to plagiarism.

>>15926832
How would you say your views are compatible with Kant? Not very much, I'd assume. I'd recommend also reading some Jung and analytic epistemology.

>>15926844
Look up some criticisms of correlationism, which is due to issues of transcendental idealism. My philosophical question is much more difficult to grapple with.

>>15926850
I assure you whatever you have grappled with, I too have as well. That's why I'm not outright dismissing you as a schizo as other people do.

>>15926794
The Greek pantheon is full of incest, and you’re gonna tell me the Greeks didn’t fuck their sisters? Please

>>15926878
and they ruled the world, same goes for anglos when they stopped doing their civilization went to shit

>>15926920
t. Wants the video of Trump fucking Ivana

>And Abraham journeyed from there to the South, and dwelt between Kadesh and Shur, and stayed in Gerar. Now Abraham said of Sarah his wife, “She is my sister.” And Abimelech king of Gerar sent and took Sarah.
>But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, “Indeed you are a dead man because of the woman whom you have taken, for she is a man’s wife.”
>But Abimelech had not come near her; and he said, “Lord, will You slay a righteous nation also? Did he not say to me, ‘She is my sister’? And she, even she herself said, ‘He is my brother.’ In the integrity of my heart and innocence of my hands I have done this.”
>And God said to him in a dream, “Yes, I know that you did this in the integrity of your heart. For I also withheld you from sinning against Me; therefore I did not let you touch her. Now therefore, restore the man’s wife; for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you shall live. But if you do not restore her, know that you shall surely die, you and all who are yours.”
>(Gen 20)
What did (((they))) mean by this?

>>15926860
Do you want to talk over email or Discord? I can share my ideas there.

Any book recomendations for Zoroastrianism?

>>15926946
Yes, here is a disposable email I just made: tvlfteae@pokemail.net

>>15926965
Thanks. I will spend an hour refining my idea before sending it to you.

>>15926738
the system was perfect when europeans were incredibly racist and conquering every inferior human tribe in the world
now you're advocating for a system that would belong to those inferior tribes originally lmao

>FUCKING YES, I DO LOVE ZOROASTRIANISM!!!! I'M WAVING MY UNTONED ARMS IN EXCITEMENT AT THE THOUGHT OF PARENTS RAPING THEIR OWN DAUGHTERS, MAN!! MY WIFE'S BOYFRIEND SAYS I'VE BEEN A GOOD KEK LATELY SO HE'S REWARDING ME WITH 20 BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT ZOROASTRIANISM, IN FACT THEY'RE BUYING IT RIGHT NOW, THEY JUST CALLED AND SAID THEY ARE ON THEIR WAY BACK FROM THE SÓY STORE AND THAT THEY HAVE A SURPRISE FOR ME!! I'M SO FREAKING EXCITED, I HOPE IT'S MY NEW KEK CAGE WITH THE ANTIFA LOGO!! I'M PISSING MYSELF IN EXCITEMENT BUT I CAN'T GO TO TO THE TOILET BECAUSE THEY TOOK THE KEKSHED’S KEY WITH THEM AND I'M LOCKED. BUT THAT'S OK BECAUSE I CAN FILL MY OLD EMPTY SÓY DRINK GLASSES WITH THEM. THEY ARE EPIC GLASSES WITH MARX'S FACE ON THEM. HAHA, YEAH, LOVE THAT GUY. OH WELL, AT LEAST I HAVE MY LATEST VIDEOGAMES AND SUPERHERO MOVIES TO ENTERTAIN MYSELF WHILE WIFEY AND HIS BOYFRIEND, WHO I CONSIDER MY BEST FRIEND, DRIVE BACK HOME. I HOPE THEY DON'T TAKE TOO LONG BUT HEY, I TOLD THEM THEY COULD STOP FOR SOME BED FUN AT THE MOTEL, HAHA. YEAH, I'M OPEN MINDED AND TOLERANT LIKE THAT. I WISH HE CONSIDERED ME HIS BEST FRIEND TOO, HE SAYS I'M ONLY HIS SÓYSLAVE AND A VERY SKILLED KEKMAN BUT I THINK HE KIND OF RESPECTS ME, OTHERWISE HE WOULDN'T GET ME NEW VIDEOGAMES AND ZOROASTRIAN THEOLOGY BOOKS OR PAY FOR MY VASECTOMY. OH MAN, BEING THIS EXCITED MADE ME SWEAT SO MUCH. GONNA GO POUR ME SOME MORE SÓYLENT IN MY SUPERHERO-THEMED MUG AND KEEP DAYDREAMING.

>>15927102
>conquering every inferior human tribe in the world
Practice of incest came from white Aryan invaders though.

>>15926965
I will have to email you tomorrow. I need to time to think. I think I was able to justify my position well, but I noticed a serious epistemological gap in the second half of my argument.

>>15926677
Googling the topic brings me to a very recently edited wikipedia's page. You almost got me.

>>15927351
This article can't be edited:
https://iranicaonline.org/articles/marriage-next-of-kin

>>15927329
By all means. But even if you weren't able to, send it anyway. I care more about the insight of the ideas than their precise argumentation. Insightful ideas could potentially be salvaged by better argumentation, but not even good argumentation could ultimately save a barren idea.

>>15927329
>i noticed a serious epistemological gap in the second half of my argument
jesus what a pseud

>>15926808
>WHAAAT? ARE YOU MEANING TO SAY MY MUMMMY ISN'T A PURE VIRGIN?
Yes.

>>15926677
pretty sure this is still a thing within Islam something to do with how property ownership works

>>15926965
I'm not the guy you're talking to, but could you explain these points a bit more in general, for the benefit of the entire board?
>intuition greatly outweighs his intellect
>your intellect fails to assimilate these insights to your conscious worldview rationally. What you say isn't false, but also isn't true
I think we could all benefit from a fuller explanation of the phenomenon you refer to.

>>15927680
It's simply Jungian psychology. Contents of the unconscious are usually viewed only intuitively, that is, not exactly consciously or rationally, but felt or intuited on a different level. These contents, symbolic and psychological in nature, are responsible for great works of art and many great philosophical works and creative inventions. Intellect is the rational faculty of the mind. Jung mentioned the case of a boy who had somehow believed the world is like a picture-book that he can turn the pages at will and was acting crazy, and compared him with Schopenhauer who argued "the world is my representation (literally the starting line of his WWR). He said both had intuited the same psychological truth, but the difference is Schopenhauer with his great intellect had mastered it and turned it into a philosophical argument, while the other lacked the necessary intellect was *mastered by it* and became psychologically ill. This is responsible for many schizo ramblings in that they contain *psychological* truths but lack *objective* truths. They are in a way true and false at the same time.

>>15926694
stfu you retarded speud.
the catholic church is the source of institutionalized pedophilia and childabuse in europe and propably in the rest of the whole world as well.

niggers dont fuck children. they beat them and eat them at best, when they are starving to death.
true evil lies within the broad scale organisation of degeneracy and crime which shitskins would never be able to do.

>>15927785
Where can I read more about this? In what work does Jung discuss this? I feel like I'm looking at a distorted reflection of myself. I'm in a completely different field, but I feel like there are things I intuit but am incapable of expressing clearly to others, because they are not entirely clear to me. I've only recently gained an idea of what the finished product would ideally look like, but I'm not sure of what the intermediate steps I need to take in order to achieve that goal are. In essence, I want to master myself, but I'm not sure how to do it.

There were constant Zoroastrian reform movements (which would get squished) up until Islam eradicated all but the most devout and orthodox families for this reason. Also of note were the giant harems the priests would form. Mazdak started the first beta uprising by rallying men who were bitter about the priests marrying all the young women.
Anyway, genuinely religious and observant Zoroastrians no longer exist. It's just an ethnic nationalist LARP for Parsis, Iranian diaspora, and some white supremacists who refuse to worship Semitic gods. It will go extinct by the end of the century.

>>15927438
Islam has a strictly defined definition of incest and also on whom one is permitted to marry. You can probably just read the Wikipedia page, it is nothing whatsoever like Zoroastrianism in this regard.

>>15928472
People will tell you to start with Man and His Symbols or Modern Man in Search of a Soul. They lay out the essential facts of his theories and are intended to be read by anyone.
The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious is a collection of essays that zeroes in on specific cases and archetypes, with a lot of comparative mythology and religion for context.

>>15926739
If it's white people it's acceptable that's what I've learned when hearing random white guys bitch about Islam. Same thing can also act in reverse from different white guys (only Christians do bad things no one else)

>>15927419
It was late. I meant to say epistemological problem.

>>15927912
>niggers dont fuck children
Dude, in Africa niggers think dicking a baby will heal AIDS.

lmaoing at all the ferrrsiaaaaaaan ethno nationalists. With all the hate they give Islam/Arabs I thought that Zorastrianism would have some substance to it. But the more I read about it the more it just seems like a backwards cult meant to reinforce a tribal hierarchical system rather then a universalist religion meant to grow globally like Christianity and Islam. They also have got lebanese christian levels of hilarious butthurt in their community, which is always a joy to watch.

>jannies deleted my post for using the word nigger/shitskin
top kek, the tranny pedo enabling janny got rustled?

>>15928641
I created my own unique reform movement by reading a lot of various scriptures and studying Western philosophy.

>>15928472
It resonates with me as well, anon. I know how you feel. This particular discussion comes from the book "Two Essays on Analytical Psychology" (it's the second essay). It is also fairly introductory and could probably be read without much prior knowledge.

>>15931273
Are we in the presence of a religious leader? Do tell.

>>15930871
/lit/'s jannie's are indeed some of the worst