/lit/ - Literature

>>15995689
Eternally BTFOed is what he was

some effeminate males trying to control another mans life, one they never even met or got to know. all critique of his life was done in hindsight

>>15995774
too true anon, many such cases

>>15995751
>get to take your cozy bus home into heaven
>”BTFO’d”

>>15995774
Even if you can sympathize with him, you have to agree he was a complete retard. Didn't bring adequate supplies, didn't know how to hunt properly, didn't know how to build effective shelter, didn't bother having a means of communication if shit hit the fan, etc. I very much doubt he died with a smile on his face. Most likely died with his teeth fractured from clenching them due to frostbite while having his leg mangled by a crow.

>>15995823
i don’t think he really cared about surviving

>>15995873
That's even more pathetic tbqh

>>15995873
He was begging for people to help him before he died.

>>15995823
you can see very clearly from the photo nature stripped every bit of ego from him, i don't see how a man can die horribly lacking his ego. the nature of things is you learn from your mistakes, obviously he made 1 big mistake and paid gravely, if he lived from it i have no doubt he would have came out a better man

>>15995823
>nooo he died an easily avoidable death in the wilderness he should have subscribed to the camping reddit

Bucket crab nigger retard

>>15995948
>you can see very clearly from the photo
It is one photograph, you can't read someone's mind from a photo. He was an abuse victim who essentially went insane and killed himself, people who romanticize his life are retards

>>15995970
suicide is badass tho

>>15995820
>emissions gulping airship slaps the face of god on it’s way to scrap your naturalist shrine

>>15995820
>emissions belching airship slaps the face of god on it’s way to scrap your naturalist shrine

>>15996189
>cause the death of hundreds of tourists
>make the state waste thousands of dollars for no reason
>get to take your cozy bus into heaven
>he thinks this isn’t based

>>15995689
>obvious abusive overtones in the book? Am I the only one who sees that?
Give examples of where you think you see this.

>>15996211
just seems obvious in the way chris reacted to his parents, went completely off grid, talked about how they are trying to buy his love and pretend nothing happened, the way he talked about how his sister is the only one who can understand what they went thru and the fact that he kept more in contact with a random father figure he met on the road then his actual parents
plus the end of the book kinda touched on it a little bit too

>>15996251
His sister also wrote a book where she discusses the fact that he was abused

>>15995823
I don't get why that matters. In the book it explains how he was quite naive and how the people he met and befriended felt protective of him because of how innocent he seemed. He seemed like a good guy.

>>15996251
>reacted to his parents
Vague, doesn't demonstrate your point
>went completely off grid
Doesn't support your point
>talked about how they are trying to buy his love
Doesn't support your point
>pretend nothing happened,
Vague, though the most suggestive of the lot. Elaborate
>the way he talked about how his sister is the only one who can understand what they went thru an
Doesn't support your point and would need supporting evidence about his sister being abused or witness to abuse
>he kept more in contact with a random father figure he met on the road then his actual parents
Doesn't mean anything
>the end of the book kinda touched on it a little bit too
Vague. You can use spoiler tags if you're afraid of spoiling it, but nothing you have given so far is abusive, and the only thing that is even marginally suggestive of abuse is
>pretend nothing happened
If this is all you've got, then it's you reading into the story. It could be possibly that he implied he was abused, but only one or two of your points alludes to him even making such an implication. If he does so imply, then we also need to take his reliability as a narrator of his own life into question.
From what you describe he could just be a college age male from a sheltered background who believed he deserved better.

>>15995689
He was just a manchild that didn’t know how to live in grown up world. The fact that you regard others responsible for his lack of maturity says much about how immature you must be.

>>15996372
>dies in the Alaskan wilderness
>Man-Child

lol you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. get some grub in you and get to bed wagie, it'll be dark soon

>>15996397
How would dying in the Alaskan wilderness prevent one from being a manchild? I'd assume those are most likely to die if out into such an environment, probably more likely than actual children.

>>15996341
see>>15996272

>>15996397
>dies like a faggot because eat poison mushroom

Yeah an example of manliness

>>15996418
>This OTHER book talks about it though
>That means it's in the original book!
No

>>15996272
“Abused” in the real meaning of the word? Or like that spoiled brats that can’t take a “no” from their parents

>>15996397
>anyone who dies in the wilderness alone is a man
Well no.

>>15996424
>how you die determines your masculinity
Look up what Alexander the Great died of you fucking cuck lmao

>>15996450
Alexander had a great death, spent a few days eating and drinking and taking baths.

>>15996443
According to the book, his parents were both alcoholics who physically abused him. The mum said it was a lie, but I suppose she would whether it is or not

>>15996450
Typhoid fever

>>15996251
Do you seriously tell people these two abused their kid based on this information?

>>15996450
Alexander was wounded in battle six times

>>15995823
>“I have had a happy life and thank the Lord. Goodbye and may God bless all!”
These were his last words that he wrote.
Sounds like he still felt fulfilled and happy.

>>15996681
No he took that picture before he left the note begging for someone to save him lmao

I hate this book and Chris because they both represent a sheltered hippie bourgeouis visualization of the wilderness. I absolutely hate how his moronic death is romanticized.

>>15996443
yeah bro i’m sure the guy who literally went off into the wild to die was just a spoiled brat

>>15996372
>get heavily abused
>decide to burn all his money, live on the road
>work as a migrant farmer for food and hitch hike across the US
>goes off the grid into the alaskan wilderness, dies
>still a man child

>>15996599
no, my suspicions were confirmed from the other book
why is the idea of abusive parents so hard to grasp, what’s with this mentality that they just aren’t real

>>15995774
How you romanticize this infantile, suicidal, idiot just about sums up exactly what has always been wrong with America. People have lost their survival instincts and are being hypnotized into the point of practically killing themselves. I have absolutely no respect for you or that fucking idiot.

>>15995689
>Can /lit/ confirm whether i’m retarded or not?
The only retardation is thinking those things are mutually exclusive.

He absolutely was spoiled and he put everyone who cared about him )as perfect or as imperfect as they may be) from his family to the people who he met and befriended on his journey through hell to the point that it comes off as him having a powerful form of narcissism or void of empathy.


>>15996747
Read the book he didn't go off to die

>>15996762
>>get heavily abused
OP seems to only be claiming physical abuse here >>15996467 and then it seems to be from his sister's perspective (who claims their mother was the most abused). Heavily abused in my mind would not be relying on his sister but his medical records.
>>15996780
>, what’s with this mentality that they just aren’t real
Not the anon you're responding to, but my doubts here >>15996341 are because you aren't getting it from the text. It's the difference between saying "Nabokov was from a noble family in Russia and fell in love with a peasant girl" and saying "I know Nabokov was from a noble family in Russia and fell in love with a peasant girl because I read it in Lolita". The second is demonstrably false because the text you are referring to (Lolita) contains none of that information (which is still true but not in the text)

>>15996272
Can you go into the detail about the abuse?

>>15996416
A real manchild would never leave mommy and daddy's side. He'd either live with them and never think of living, or spend the rest of his days as a bugman, never able to do crazy things like leaving behind his money and going on a little camping trip.

>I'd assume those are most likely to die if out into such an environment
No, he ate the wrong berries IIRC. That was just a result of little knowledge.

>>15996424
>>15996610
>the tramp is a cuck because he died after eating shrooms
>the tramp is a cuck because he didn't fight in battle
We're living in a world of cucks, according to your definitions. You might even be one of them. Him going out and doing what he did is admirable, even if he failed.

>>15996701
He was out getting berries. If I was worried about impending death, I'd probably try to leave messages out in case anybody passes by my camping site. You're laughing at someone who had the guts to get in that situation, unlike you, I am willing to bet.

>>15997234
>A real manchild would never leave mommy and daddy's side.
There are several internet famous manchildren with alcoholic parents who do that with their gaming buddies.
>No, he ate the wrong berries IIRC. That was just a result of little knowledge
Like manchildren have never given themselves rice poisoning through result of little knowledge even when still living with others in urban areas.

>>15997234
I've read strong arguments that he actually ate the right plants, they were just also poisonous. He didn't mistake one plant for another, the plant he ate was toxic in high enough doses given other specific stresses. Specifically, there was a chemical present in small amounts in the supposedly edible wild potato plant(actually a nightshade) that could induce paralysis.

>>15997312
IIRC the poisoning is a result of starvation
normal people eat the plants and are fine but when your severely starving you eat it and get paralyzed

>>15996780
>Because nobody else who knew McCandless has ever said anything about the abuse
>Because the parents vocally denied it
>Because he had 5 other sibling who never claimed there was any abuse
>Because there exists no proof whatsoever that it happened
>Because the only one of the 7 children to claim abuse got paid a bunch of money to put it in a book

You think you’re doing the humanitarian thing by automatically believing her; but you’re not. You’re actually vocally supporting the idea that these two parents were in fact criminals even though you have no proof; you actually don’t even have convincing hearsay.

As if that isn’t stupid enough; the whole thing is always brought up to “explain Mccandless unique worldview” which is just dumb speculation. That too is stupid because even if the abuse did happen; it still doesn’t mean that’s why he rejected society.

Let's pretend his passion was Nascar driving...

Christopher McCandless sets off, from California in an old car he rebuilt himself (he replaced the fenders and painted it), on a trip to the Daytona 500. He only gets across the state line when he runs out of fuel because he forgot to fill it up. Instead of simply walking to the nearest gas station or flagging down help he decides to push his car over an embankment and set it on fire. He then proceeds to walk on foot to the nearest car lot (which happens to be in Mexico for some reason, mostly because he burned up his map in the car and he's been taking backroads.) He finds an old bicycle in a garbage dump and uses that.

He finally gets to the car lot and buys a fixer-upper for $50. Before leaving the car lot he has to change a tire, which he replaces with the solid rubber donut. He buys fuel and heads off to the Daytona 500 again. Only he's heading deeper into Mexico and eventually ends up broken down in front of, "Autodromo Internacional de la Jolla" due to no water in the radiator. The engine block has seized up. Luckily, there's a race about to start. Christopher...er "Alexander Superspeeder", who changed his name, pays the $125 entry fee for the race.

Unfortunately, Alexander Superspeeder doesn't have a race car. He does however have an old bicycle still. He uses the bicycle to race. He makes it only 3 laps before he is too tired to steer straight and veers off into a race car and is killed.

Some Jew picks up his story and writes a book about his life and how he followed his dreams. Another Jew makes a movie about it. Armchair racers around the world adore him.

The End.

>>15996681
oh no oh fuck I'm dying god please save me

>>15995965
t. infantile retard who can't survive on his own

>>15997329
Yea, that was my understanding. I'm not claiming he was smart by any stretch, but if not for that he probably would have just walked out when it became apparent he couldn't find enough food.

I think his fatal flaw is he was entirely unable to find gratitude in any of the gifts around him, and he resented their very presence because it reminded him of the one duty he had that went far beyond career, money, family, friends.

Gratitude.

He was able to leave behind that which he disdained. He disliked modern life and decided not to be shackled by it. This is admirable.
He failed, and died an best very uncomfortable death. This is to be avoided.

Any literature where the protagonist is flawless or close to flawless is shit. Excluding the new testament of cource

>>15997731
His fatal flaw was literally a bad sense of direction and distance

it sounded like he had shitty parents and I think his sister wrote something confirming that
but he was also an entitled kid who thought he could do whatever he wanted due to his upbringing
these two things can both be true

>>15996181
do it then

>>15997261
>There are several internet famous manchildren with alcoholic parents who do that with their gaming buddies.
Yes, and I'm sure they also went hitchhiking with no money in their pockets, all the way to Alaska with their gaming buddies. C'mon anon, let's be real here

>Like manchildren have never given themselves rice poisoning through result of little knowledge even when still living with others in urban areas.
Who the fuck eats uncooked rice, anyway? Besides, the dangers of eating random berries and shrooms outdoors are greater in number than whatever your fridge can do to you. This tramp guy IIRC ran out of food and couldn't bag any animals, so he ate those berries out of desperation; big mistake on his part. Compare that to a manchild having food to begin with, but not eating it properly, like a real dumbass. Don't compare a life versus death situation to some shut-in's buffoonery.

>>15997635
Imaginative, but riddled with disanalogies.

>>15997652
He wrote that on a piece of paper. Did it represent the thoughts going through his head at the time of death? I'm not sure we can know.

>>15997796
My man

>>15997995
>to Alaska with their gaming buddies. C'mon anon, let's be real here
Nigger some of them even got as far as Japan
>Who the fuck eats uncooked rice, anyway?
Rice poisoning is from cooked rice being left too long. A lot of people get it even though they've never had uncooked rice in their house, because everyday normies are also too dumb to work out the dangers of eating take out.
>Don't compare a life versus death situation to some shut-in's buffoonery.
You act like none of these shut ins have accidentally livestreamed their own death due to bad trigger discipline or copying jackass or trying to jack off with a noose around their batman costume's neck. He engaged in exactly the kind of college kid buffoonery that keeps burn clinics open doing a roaring trade near full moon parties in Thailand, that gets them arrested and comatose in North Korea for stealing a poster, and all the other life threatening dumb shit most college age males will do in any environment. Why you think it's special because it happened in Alaska is bizarre, because that isn't a long way or hard way to travel for his cohort. If he was hitchhiking through the Congo and Eritrea or some shit, yeah maybe. But even if he hitchhiked through the more dangerous terrain of Vietnam and Cambodia, which have more deadly animals and governments, that is still a basic college holiday. Considering how many idiots come back from those alive to bore everyone to death, no it's not exceptional.

>>15997880
kill yourself.

>>15998079
bucket crab faggot retroactively trying to drag him back down into the pits. yap yap yap "college holiday" and "bourgeoise vacation", you're the same kind of miserable cunt who would shit on Weil for toughing it out to the bitter end even though she came from a well-off family. death makes an idiot out of everyone retard, ask me how I know you're a mental neonate.

you can't think outside the meme dynamics of the internet. I think it's you who should hitchhike to Alaska and get some fresh air. Faggot.

Apparently McCandless's father was very abusive towards him and the rest of his family, but they didn't want that kind of information printed in Krakaeur's book

>>15998677
wow

i know there's a lot of irony on 4chan but i truly didn't know this part, i'm reading about it right now. changes the whole book intensely

I used to be one of his critics and called him a retard. But with time I began to admire him. He was a man who decided to pursue the life he wanted and face the risks. Very respectable.

>>15998785
n-nooo, but, h-he died! he died! can't you see that, he died... that... nooooooooo

if i was him i wouldve just converted the bus into a submarine and drove it across the river

>>15998823
based MacGyver

>>15996440
Buddy, not op, but if you didnt pick up on the abuse, I'd love to hear your interpretation of hills like white elephants lmao

>>15995689
Chris and his determination was beautiful. He created his own values, rejected his societal programming, went back to the ways of his ancestors and faced his own death while living those values, a forever young true Nietzschean madlad.
Faggots with slave morality were/are/will seeth.

>>15999810
See
>>15996701

>>15995689
Don't you get it Op, you are right and the negative response from this site mimics Chris's abusive upbringing. This site is abusive and it won't be anything else.

>>15995689
No, but I can confirm at least that this guy died the same day I was born, and we have the same first name. Probably means nothing, but a man can wonder.

>>15996397
>>15996416
I thought he died somewhere in Southern Canada.

>>15998948
Well, guy, considering this is a literature board and OP cannot seem to cite anywhere in the text besides one vague mention which possibly alludes to abuse, I'd love to hear how you interpreted abuse from the book. Perhaps you can cite somewhere in the text that provides more than a half sentence of possible support to this theory.

>>15998677
That's weird that Krakaeur listened if that's the case. Krakaeur (in)famously used the dying words of one of those who died in the 96 Everest blizzard against his widowed pregnant wife's wishes from eavesdropping on a radio call, so why would he care to protect the feelings of one mourner but not another?

>>16001282
Not the guy you're replying to, haven't even read the book, but are you actually trying to argue that subtext is not a thing? On a literature forum? Go read a book lmao

>>16001417
I'm willing to accept any passages where anon believes that a subtext of abuse is shown. However, I still want support from the text, not from another supplementary text, as is standard practice in explaining any theory in literature. Anon could argue that not only was he abused but that the King of Denmark did it, if anon could provide such an argument with support cited from the text.

>>16001467
He did, you just dismissed all of it as vague >>15996341
Which is kinda the whole point of subtext.

>>16001750
He has two vague points which if he cared to elaborate on, as I asked him to, could possibly support his point. However, he has failed to elaborate on them so far, and has included a lot of stuff as support which does not at all support his points. I'm willing to wait for him to elaborate on the points which could indicate abuse, but, until he does that with reference to the text, it is too vague to be considered real support for his theory. So far, the level of support those two vague points hold also support a multitude of other theories, including ones where he is the abuser. If anon wishes to elaborate on those points to provide either direct reference to abuse or subtext which points more directly towards abuse, then that can change. However, at the moment, he has not provided support from the text which elaborates on those very vague points, and certainly not enough to prove a cogent subtext of abuse. I suggest that anon does not have any such support from the text or else he would have provided it when I asked him to elaborate on his vagueness.

>goes to the woods unprepared because muh society
>eats poisonous berries accidentally like a retard
>freaks out, begs for his oh so hateful society to save him
>"omg he was such a poetic, free soul. what a beautiful death he had"
You are all bourgeois trash that doesn't know a thing about the wild, just like Chris.