/lit/ - Literature

>>16154883
Be wary of joining in the Synagogue of Satan, anon.

>>16154883
>Oh boy, can't wait to have a respectful, informative discussion about Judaism on my favorite website, 4chan!

>>16154892
I know, but I have seen /lit/ anons make good posts about Judaism before, and I’ve found this the best place to get book recs.
If I made this exact same OP on r/books, I’d be rec’d Dune, Harry Potter, and Brandon Sanderson and that would be it. And it’s not like this thread will be my only resource

>>16154883
Just remember, you're selling out, and throwing away what your mom did for you.

>>16155031
Selling out what? I’m not a circus

>>16154883
Out of curiosity, why not reconnect with your Christian faith? It seems you have a closer connection to that faith than Judaism.

> inb4 /pol/ack
I have no dog in this fight.

>>16154883
Judaism is dumb and wrong, just like Christianity and Islam.

>>16155080
>!F69ynI28oQ
Don't tell me there's a third Butterfly

The JSB and RaMBaM's Guide to the Perplexed is a great place to start. I also recommend The Works of Philo. Baruj HaShem, my friend. Your place among the righteous and brave is assured.

>>16155087
? I'm the original tranny faggot butterfly, trust me.

>>16154888
>>16155080
Pathetic.

>>16155204
sound legit
>>16154892
in fact I just learned a couple of things about Talmud in that other thread, there's substance to find if you ignore the screeching /pol/tards, they even link to the right sources they misunderstand

Wow, E Michael Jones was right. Jewish are rarely capable of converting to Christianity. Your Mom did so, and now your spitting it back in her face to
>get in touch with my identity
It's not your identity if you grew up completely divorced from it.

Lastly, there is this point:
>There are some stipulations on gentile converts but I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t apply to me as I am ethnically Jewish

This is what I find particularly disgusting about Judaism. There are excerpts in Jewish texts which claim that "goyim" are nothing more than cattle. And yet, there is no valid way to really be Jewish unless if you are born with Jewish blood.

At least when Christians look down on non-Christians, or Muslims look down on non-Muslims, they are at least open to the fact that ANYONE can join their religion. But Judaism seems to posit that Jews are the best, and nobody is allowed to join them. And then they wonder why people are "anti-semetic". Its mostly projection because they know if the average person understood how Jews genuinely look at non-jews the most rational conclusion would be to become anti-semitic.

>>16155250
take your meds schizo

>>16155059
That’s not a dumb or /pol/-tier question at all, it’s a valid point, and the real answer is simply “I’ve considered that too, I just wanted to make a thread about this.” I’ve had a lot of religious/identity issues that got worse when I was a teenager, and I’m trying to resolve them in adulthood (I’m 21 right now)

Your spitting in your mother's face you retarded kike

>>16155031
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>>16155337
While I’m glad you’re so concerned about my moms feelings, I actually have spoken to her irl and she’d be fine with it

>>16154883
Read To Be a Jew by Rabbi Hayim Halevy Donin. If your mom is Jewish that means you are Jewish and don't have to do anything special. I don't know if there is an Orthodox synagogue within walking distance of where you live but if there is talk to the Rabbi there. If not meet with whatever Orthodox rabbis are in the area and get a feel for them. Whichever one you think is the most pious and compatible with your personality you should ask if they would be your rav.

>>16154883
Born jewish and not incredibly religious, but recently have been excited about The Spell of the Sensuous by David Abram. Can't call it required reading, or say that it gives much contemporary religious insight, but there's something incredibly enchanting to me about the antiquity of the religion, and this book certainly covers that base. Really beautiful, and you might find it encouraging.

>>16154883
Whatever force is compelling you to pursue this will still be there after you go through the motions and the rituals. Getting in touch with one arbitrary aspect of your identity will not solve any of your problems, unless you're will to delude yourself into no longer being an individual. Not saying that can't be done with positive results, but I feel like people who start grasping at things that, until recently, never had a serious bearing on their lives, it ends up being an act of desperation and leaves the person more disappointed in the future. This goes for born-again Christians too, unless they go literally all-in.

I wish you luck on your journey, OP. But whatever it is you're looking for will not be found in participation in the Jewish religion.

>>16154883
Speak to a rabbi on the local synagogue

>>16154883
Dude, just go talk to the rabbi of your local Reform congregation. Man up. And as far as identity, get your mom to tell you your family stories. Every Jew's got a great-grandparent who fled Europe. Mine was a soldier for Tsar Nicholas who fled the commies

>>16155434
Thank you anon, this post is actually very helpful

>>16155434
individualism is overrated, submit yourself to lineage and community

>>16154883
I’ve unironically though about converting to Judaism so that I have access to Jewish scholarships and Jewish nepotism in general, I really like my foreskin tho

>>16154883
Well the good news is, your mother was Jewish, so none of that conversion nonsense is needed.
Bookwise? If you are interested in touching up on the history of the religion and the people I recommend "Jews, God and History" by Dimont. And I recommend reading "The Jewish Book of Why" to get information on the ins and outs of Jewish culture, rituals etc.

>>16154883
>get in touch with my identity
Which has nothing to do with being Jewish from the look of it. It's like Burgers who larp about their Euro identity despite not having set a foot there for generations.

Just accept that it's a part of your MOTHERS past which she long left behind and look for your own way.

>>16155080
Also this.
t. Jew

>>16155477
>not fighting for commies against the Japs
Sucks to be him.

>>16155508
In general, I agree. It's your parents' job to set you up for that. But to be absent from that place for two or three decades and then go back in for potentially dubious reasons makes the whole thing an exercise rather than a genuine manner of living.

>>16155250
I'm sure Jews having a negative view of goyim has nothing to do with the past three thousand years of oppression, forced diaspora, and genocide.

>>16155647
I don't think it does actually. Jew supremacy is simply a part of the religion, WE DA CHOOSEN PEOPLE is just bound to create idiotic hatred against them. The goym are basically black women who are pissed over some old white male golf club.

>>16155080
fake

>>16155670
>Jew supremacy is simply a part of the religion
Not at all really. The Talmud is very clear in stating that Olam haBa is not a gated community, that anyone who lived righteously can gain admittance, not just Jews.

>>16155719
But how do you reconcile the explicit supremacy with how the modern world works?

Bluepill me on Judaism.

is it the evil /pol/ claims it is? Do Jews think of the goyim as cattle?

I know most Reformist Jews don't give a shit about that stuff but asking for the Israel types.

>>16155719
Which doesn't play too well with the whole chosen people mythology.
>>16155757
Who cares what they think? Just look at Israeli politics and actions.

>>16155641
i certainly agree with your concern, but i dont think there's any particular honor in then floating in some noncommittal abyss...or at least I would rather applaud the inertia, because any meaning in religion comes from effort and dedication.

>>16154883
>get in touch with my identity

What fucking identity? This is as laughable as a plastic paddy getting in touch with his "identity." Ever notice that its never the truly high IQ Jews that do this shit but become athiests instead?

>>16155748
To be perfectly honest with you, I don't believe I'm better than anyone else because of my faith/heritage, and none of my Jewish friends do either.
In fact I think it's just the opposite. When out in public, many of them, myself included, go out of our way to keep it hidden.
>>16155757
>Is it the evil /pol/ claims it is?
Are you nuts?
>Do Jews think of goyim as cattle?
Of course not. Goyim are just regular people.
>>16155773
The "Chosen People" does not refer to Jews being chosen as 'superior' to anyone else. It refers to the descendants of the Israelites having a purpose to guide gentiles towards the world to come.

>>16154883
Have fun in hell, yid.

>>16155080
>dumb and wrong
>troon

>>16155841
>go out of our way to keep it hidden
That's for other reasons, you and I both know.

>I don't believe I'm better
Sure, but that's not what I asked. I asked how one could reconcile the explicit supremacy in the scripture with your day-to-day life "as a Jewish person."

>>16155647
I’m sure the past three thousand years of oppression, forced diaspora, and genocide has nothing to do with the Jews’ opinions on goyim

>>16155841
And what is the world to come? I mean there are videos of old ultra-religious Jews in Israel saying that the world to come is Israel at the center of a global government set up primarily to benefit Jews.

can someone give me the simple rundown on how Judaism is both a religion and a race?

>>16155918
it's not
quick enough?

>>16155891
>That's for other reasons, you and I both know.
Yes, those reasons are that people think they are better than us to the point of violence.
>Explicit supremacy in the scripture
Nowhere in the Tanakh or Talmud does it say that Jews are a superior race or whathaveyou.
>>16155896
Why are you just rewriting what I said?
>>16155908
The World to Come, or "Olam haBa," is the simply the afterlife. Not a conspiracy to build a global Jewish theocracy.

>>16155841
>go out of our way to keep it hidden.
and that's a moronic thing to do and endemic to the continued persecution of your people

>>16155938
>Yes, those reasons are that people think they are better than us to the point of violence.
Or, they are judging the disproportionality of Jews in positions of power as some sort of nepotistic or actual superiority.

>Nowhere in the Tanakh or Talmud does it say that Jews are a superior race or whathaveyou.
Sure, but the old testament has several. Deuteronomy 7, Deuteronomy 14, Jeremiah 7...lots of examples of the Jews being singled out as "God's people."

>>16154888
Why should he be wary? Those are his people, and they're in power. Honestly, he'd be fucking stupid not to embrace his tribe.

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>>16156008
>Disproportion of Jews in positions of power
This was caused by historical antisemitism though. Historically ashkenazi Jews were discriminated against and barred from jobs, and as a result many Jews found work in moneylending. Coincidentally, banking became one of the most successful lines of work centuries later.
The art world is also historically more open to difference so Jews were able to find careers there as well.
>"God's People"
Again, not a statement of superiority. The terms "Holy People" and "God's People" are used for the Israelites and their descendants because it was that specific group of people who made a covenant with God. The scriptures do not say that Jews will receive any sort of special treatment in the afterlife based on their lineage.

>>16155841
>It refers to the descendants of the Israelites having a purpose to guide gentiles towards the world to come.
Same shit, different package. And unlike other religions it also has that nasty ethnical aspect about it.

None of my Jew friends have any superiority complexes either (none of them gives a shit about religion) but at least their and my parents are pretty obsessed about "WE DA JOOCE are so smart and accomplished so much despite oppression unlike group X" which is rather close to /pol/aks jumping on dicks of someone accomplished who happened to be white.

>>16156026
>they're in power
lol, no there not.

Get out into the world any you will see jews are not actually in power.

They have immense control of media which shapes perception, and lots are wealthy.

But almost all the capital (mines, ships, train lines) and all the things that support modern life are owned by Chinese and White Protestants.

Jew's want to be the center of the world because deep down they know there some tiny tribe who is not important in the large scheme of things.

All there wealth is from banking and they invest into media and banking.

Unless you think the world is made out of banks and TV then jews dont own the world.

>>16154883
Post nose

>>16156057
>most governments borrow endlessly from the jewish banks
>those that don't are constantly antagonized (Iran, Syria, North Korea)
>55 out of the top 100 political donors in the US are jewish
>top priority for western countries is the elevation of Israel above its neighbors
>Modern secular ethics is hinged upon a supposed 6 million jews that died at the whim of Adolph Hitler
>All social media is owned, managed, created, or subservient to jews

>Jews aren't in power

Fuck off, you're not fooling anybody, kike.

>>16156057
Imagine being a /lit/ user and not know you're theirs from theres.
>>16156054
Can confidently say I've never met anyone like this. Definitely not Kosher behavior.

>>16155337
>Your

>>16156088
Now that's pretty surprising since it's been a very consistent picture for me. Where are you from? Maybe it's down to the folks I know being mostly first gen migrants from East Europe, hence still carry a lot bitterness around.

>>16154883
I posted some books in response but accidentally did it in another thread
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>>16156131
I'm from Upstate New York. To be fair, as a child my interactions with other Jews were limited to basically my family and one other living out in the boonies, and not going to temple for years at a time because of distance. But I obviously met more Jews when I went to the city for college.

>>16156051
None of this refutes that they're disproportionately represented in positions of power, wealth, influence, and celebrity, which is why the scriptural exhortations about "chosen people" lands so heavily in retrospect.

>The terms "Holy People" and "God's People" are used for the Israelites and their descendants because it was that specific group of people who made a covenant with God. The scriptures do not say that Jews will receive any sort of special treatment in the afterlife based on their lineage.

Yet they're disproportionately represented in almost every institution of power, wealth, and influence. So it's hard for people to ignore those two discrete topics jiving so clearly.

Anon, the best part about being Jewish is being a secular Jew and enjoying Woody Allen movies and Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Religious Jews are nutjobs. Don't you see the fucking Haredim? I guess if you live outside of New York you see them fairly rarely. They're degenerates, bro. They are disgusting, they look like they all have downs. That is the logical conclusion of Judaic piety. Just stick to the secular Jew stuff