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>>16201931
Abrahamic nonsense. I’m all better now.

>>16201943
What belief system are you subscribed to?

>>16201958
A number of them. The universe as infinite and eternal fireworks show, compatibalism, anarcho-whateverworksism, Epicureanism.

Too much time spent stating that it was the true word of God and you'll face hellfire if you don't need it, and too little time spent saying what exactly that word is.

>>16201958
Nihilism.

>>16202020
Is there an opposite of nihilism?
There’s no meaning to death. Life is everything.

>>16201931
Islamophobia really poisoned the well.

>>16202048
Kill yourself

>>16202020
fucking kek

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>>16202093
(But don't really kill yourself because then you will become an ifrit and torment this guy >>16202093)

>>16202093
Why would someone with such a frame of mind as I’ve drawn up even consider such a thing?

>>16202116
>you will become an ifrit and torment this guy
Hold my beer

>>16201931
It's been debunked

>>16201931
Can't read Arabic

>>16201931
textual criticism

Is it true that there are scientific facts in the koran?

God

>>16201931
Semtex.

>>16203346
Nice

>>16201931
>In an article in 1999 Atlantic Monthly, Gerd Puin is quoted as saying that:

>My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within the Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic anti-history from them if one wants.

>The Koran claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or 'clear,' but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims—and Orientalists—will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Koranic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Koran is not comprehensible—if it can't even be understood in Arabic—then it's not translatable. People fear that. And since the Koran claims repeatedly to be clear but obviously is not—as even speakers of Arabic will tell you—there is a contradiction. Something else must be going on.

>>16203375
>provides 0 examples

Same reason as to why I haven't converted to any other faith: lack of faith/conviction to it's legitimacy over any other.

>>16201984
>universe as infinite and eternal fireworks show
Hedonism
>compatibalism
Still cares about logic
>anarcho-whateverworksism
It doesn't work at all and never has and never will
>Epicureanism
Hedonism

Your a liberal. You disgust me on all accounts and every post makes me despise you all the more.

>>16201931
Nothing. Its clearly revalatory. Praise the Lord O my soul. It is a veritable admonition from The Sovereign of the All.

>>16201931
i'm not a pedo rapist

>>16203256
yes, in the same way there are "scientific facts" in the bible and so on. basically things that were common knowledge at that point in history.
there are some weird people who think that holy books contain references to modern scientific achievements but these require massive stretches of credulity to even consider. the people that believe them are mental.

>>16203375
>If the Koran is not comprehensible—if it can't even be understood in Arabic—then it's not translatable.
>And since the Koran claims repeatedly to be clear but obviously is not—as even speakers of Arabic will tell you—there is a contradiction.
Non-Muslim Arabic speaker here and this simply isn't obvious to me, does he least provide any examples of this ? Should be easy since you can allegedly find one every 5 sentences .

>>16201931
Muhammad.

>>16201984
The universe is not infinite though, it also is not eternal
The Abrahamics were closest to modeling actual creation by suggesting that there was chaos that became separated and ordered into the world we know over time and will eventually crumble apart when the time comes

>>16203664
>I'm not a pedo rapist

>>16203814
Epic reply, Machmood.

>>16203832
>Epic reply, Machmood.

>>16203850
Epic reply, Machmood. Is there any higher proof that Basedjakposters should be killed?

>>16201931
I want to believe but as >>16203375 said, it's "a kind of cocktail of texts". Also this >>16203461, I wasn't gifted with faith.

>>16203850
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>Epic reply, Machmood

Islam is insufficient. Come to Christ, who is God in the flesh.

>>16203867
whoever made that picture has clearly never met any actual muslims

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>>16203850 (You) #
>Epic reply, Machmood. Is there any higher proof that Basedjakposters should be killed?

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>Epic reply, Machmood

>>16201931
The mistaken notion that lightness of being refers to a visual, perceivable phenomenon.

I'm quite light in terms of being, as are many I surround myself with. However, none I've ever encountered, from pauper to aristocracy, have ever been able to visually confirm or deny a spectacular, bright white fireworks show with an achievement notification, "Congratulations, you're enlightened!"

Since, however, many I've been lucky to meet have had a lightness of being, and depth of feeling, and heights of understanding, I tend to believe enlightenment as a visible light is misconstrued and propagandized liberal theorycrafting that falls short of conservative "just do it and get it over with"-crafting.

I can't ascribe to the prattling nonsense of a man-children-revised account of symbolism, though I appreciate the symbolic as a distinct mode of comprehension.

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This thread is proof that we need a separate religion board from the degeneracy of the schizos of /lit/

>>16203903
Ok.

>>16203924
Oh Lord no, the degeneracy would just intensify.

Allah gets basic facts about reality wrong in a way that an omniscient being shouldn't. Some of this is just basic facts about reality (the Earth isn't flat, the moon isn't a camel-ride's distance in the air and the size of a human foot, camel piss does not cure disease, Christians believe in the Trinity, they aren't tritheists, Mary isn't a goddess).

The theology is just flat out the result of a guy who knew a thing or two about Christianity, but didn't know why they think that thing or two, and just making up his own stuff to explain it (they have a holy book, we have a holy book. Why is the book holy? Because God wrote it).

The society is incredibly nihilistic, and the Semitic focus on law is frankly disgusting to me. This is a personal statement.

>>16204031
I just don't see how the original christians could have possibly been trinitarian without it leaving a massive mark on the scripture. I think the trinity is an absurd contrivance of later christians who came to realize they were blantantly worshiping multuple entitites.

The most damning thing about the Qur'an is that it both affirms both the Torah and the Gospels as true yet contradicts them. In the Gospels and Torah, Moses is raised by the Pharaoh's daughter, yet the Qur'an says he was raised by the wife of Pharaoh.

>>16204031
>The society is incredibly nihilistic, and the Semitic focus on law is frankly disgusting to me. This is a personal statement.
What do you believe in?

>>16201931
I have already seen the light. I'm flicking the light switch on and off for shits n giggles right now. I'll get bored and move on to something actually worthwhile in a few minutes

>>16204031
>the Earth isn't flat
In Sunni orthodoxy the consensus is that the earth is round, not flat and this isn't a recent consensus.
>the moon isn't a camel-ride's distance in the air
Where does this come from ?

>>16203903
Good display of the value you attribute to your time.

>>16203903
I'm not sure you understand the meme.

>>16204107
It affirms it was twisted with the passage of time

>>16203809
>The Abrahamics were closest to modeling actual creation by suggesting that there was chaos that became separated and ordered into the world
That's not unique to them. It's actually pretty common in archaic mythology

>>16206464
We have consistent manuscripts from before, during, and after Muhammad's life which contradict the Qur'an. If the Torah was corrupted, Muhammad asserted that the corrupted Torah was true so either way he's shown to be false because God which is truth cannot lie. If your god lies it's a sure sign that he's the devil.

>>16206672
wow went off the rails a bit at the end there anon

>>16201931
Logic.