/lit/ - Literature

>>16269933
"On Women" notwithstanding, there is nothing about Schopenhauer's philosophy book that particularly relates to incels. Don't claim him as your official philosopher please. Next thing we know the Buddha and Jesus are claimed as "/incel/ theory".

>>16269933
Otto Weinginger - Sex and character

>>16269966
you have to go back

Confessions of a Mask

The Blackpill Theory: why incels are right & you are wrong

>>16271189
How is that mysogynist?

>>16269966
you can find quotes by Buddha that if you posted on facebook or twitter as your own thoughts you would be called an incel for

>>16271934
Misogyny isn't the extent of inceldom.

>>16269933

Pretty based that incels attract so much hatred from society, and even from imageboard communities, despite having pretty sound and measured conclusions about women and sex. It's one of these tragic situations where eros and reason are entirely in polar contradiction towards one another. We have good civil moral beliefs that are explicit and taught to us from a very young age, then on the other hand we have a freak instinct, a "good genes" radar that tells us who we are meant to like and who we are meant to ignore and treat with hostility. It's genuinely upsetting when somebody has totally good intentions and is intelligent, yet triggers the utmost antipathy from society because of their ugly mug. Then there's the cognitive dissonance you get from normies who are either totally deceptive about it or unable to reconcile the contradiction

>>16272915
Well said, although incels aren't completely right about everything. Even though highly attractive people get pussy easily, there isn't much of them in a population so after they take their picks the rest satisfy themselves with someone lower on the scale. A lot of people actually have sex, but the discussion that needs to be had is about how much effort they need to put into getting it and with who they can be with in the first place (looks-wise).

>>16272915

Elephant Man has incel themes btw, just exaggerates the problem to illustrate a point

>>16270225
This is a necessity. Perhaps THE incel book.

>>16269933
>D.H. Lawrence - Lady Chatterley's Lover
This book lmao, he goes on a page long rant about how women can dominate men with their vaginas in the second chapter. I talked about it with a female classmate and showed her the passage. Her reaction was “yaass girl power”.

>>16273058
That's why I only fuck boipussy

>>16273080
pls

>>16273080
who is she

>>16273097
>>16273106
>she
Sherry Kosnaski
Faggots

The only incels are the ones who are conceivably beyond the possibility of reproduction. Otherwise it's callow whining about being denied the best ultrasex.

>>16273158
>denying hypergamy and the eternal doubt

Incels are the most overblown movement/subculture/movement on the Internet. There's only a few incels gathering in a few incel sites, with memberships probably < 1000 members, most of them based in the US and even furries have more of an offline presence than they. You really bought into the media making them out as this sinister, world-wide group with huge membership that orchestrates terrorist attacks but actually they're just scapegoats.

>>16273185
Wow anon shut up, you're not supposed to let anons see behind the curtains

>>16270225
Absolutely necessary reading
>>16269933
I would recommend Persuasion and Rhetoric as well

>>16273185
>>16273193
t. incel

>>16273185
incels themselves sure, but the incel ideology is extremely widespread, it's just cloaked in various ways. When some rapper talks about his bitches this is in effect incel/redpill material, it's just not associated with them because it's coming from an alpha male. The entire concept of a 'simp' is pua ideology. Women themselves constantly spout incel-tier statements about the sexual market. It's just if you sit down and put all the pieces together that you get in trouble, especially if you do it as a low status male.

This is true of a dozen other similar lies we all repeat in polite society, the incels are just autists who are very upset about this particular set of lies because they're the ones who lose in the game in question, and a lot of them are unbelievably entitled and think they deserve to fuck hot women.

I’m actually slowly working on an essay against women and the transsexual on a symbolic and biological level, I won’t post if since it’s not done yet. (And no, it’s not out of women hate, I’m married and in a culture where we literally buy and sell women for cash)

Here’s the major stuff I’m slowly pulling from, hopefully it’s helpful to you lads.

L'Eve Future, by
Auguste, count of Villiers de L'Isle-Adam( investigates woman as mechanical aesthetic)

Freud and lacan’s analysis of Woman as non-existent and as a empty symbol.

The infantile arguments of Schopenhauer and the incapability ideas of Hegel and finally the kabbalistic conception of the female as being emptiness and ennui personified which you can read about in Luria. (Apples from the orchard and etz chaim)

>>16273218
And what do we call this state of affairs? Laissez-Faire Sexualism?

>>16273272
I don't know, I guess it's a combination of exploiting women as a labor pool and leftist/egalitarian ideology using them as a political class. Some of it is maybe just how humans are once women aren't so dependent on men or controlled by them, which is I suppose also partly due to the wealth produced by the industrial revolution in addition to the political factors. The situation is different in each country as well, broad statements about it are usually not nuanced enough.

>>16269933
>incel """""""theory"""""""

>>16273180
Why the fuck would you care about hypergamy when you claim to be incel? Crawl before you run.

>>16272915
Most people who post incel shit are normal looking, but have hilariously low levels of self-esteem. I've seen ugly retards get pussy, incel-posters just literally don't even try at a basic level.

>>16273218
>a lot of them are unbelievably entitled and think they deserve to fuck hot women.
Every man deserves this. True VR/Sexbots will be the peak of human achievement.

>>16273361
You don't realize that keeps people in incel status? The fact that there is always someone more thirsty or more attractive a text away? Better to not try at all.

>>16272915
Yeah, I always found it impressive how hatred of incels transcends generations, sex, race, really, everything : everyone, literally EVERYONE under the sun hates incels. I know that it's about wanting to cull poor genetic stock from the genome, but still, normies are literally frothing at the mouth from sheer hatred just because incels dare to exist. Nobody even tries to make excuses for them, everyone unanimously agrees about the validity of the contempt towards them.

>>16269966
>there is nothing about Schopenhauer's philosophy book that particularly relates to incels
...no one said there was, just that particular essay is.

>>16273218
Entitlement is probably the most misused concept ever abused in the last 20 years or so.

>>16273664
Same thing applies to pedos.

>>16273664
I'm a bit of a volcel and a bit of an incel and that's probably why I've "stuck with my guns", there's something truly liberating about it. In a world where you're supposed to constantly consume your identity it's nice not being pandered to. It lets you see things differently, it gives you insights. A lot of these ideas are not for "public consumption" but they're useful nonetheless. They feel like real pain, real death, real life.
We're always walking a tight-rope over an abyss and the disruption when women become off-limits makes it all very obvious.

>>16272915
I think it's less about their dating theories and more about their distaste for women and society in general that makes people mad. If a study would conclude whatever incels claim is the truth, then it would be controversial or "problematic" at worst, and thought-provoking at best. But incels are incapable of basic decent communication and rather resort to hatred and anger instead of reason. One peak at their forums just tells you exactly what type of human beings they are.
I don't hate incels mostly because they're yet another symptom of society's pathological expectations and I can certainly relate to their experiences, but to say that the hatred towards them is unjust is not true given the damage that their ideology produces.

>>16273729
There are actual reasons to hate pedos beyond them existing at all. Pedos are arguably in a much better position than incels because ever since the sexual revolution there have been major pushes for normalizing pedophilia, or at least decriminalizing it. We're already in the "they can't help being born this way" stage with pedos; it's only a matter of time before they go through the same route as homos. Shit like NAMBLA also legally exists. Can you imagine the sheer outrage and screeching that would ensue if an incel group tried to pull something similar?

>>16273746
Here's a typical example of what I'm talking about. Look at this guy. Look at him trying to rationalize his innate hatred.

>16273746
The thing with incels is that they're closer to the snarling beast that resides in all of us. An animal without language who lashes out, pleads and schemes. It gives you a closer look at it and there's something truly fascinating and terrifying when you finally see it in a clear light. Seeing it also comes with the knowledge that it has to break out, eventually. If not from you, then from someone else. It's funny when people talk about entitlement, as if not everyone feels "entitled" to a kind of biological security.

maybe the real incels are the friends we made along the way

>>16273818
That guy presupposes the feral aspect of incels; them being so abrasive and uncaring of social norms is usually the result of social exclusion rather than the cause of it. Why should an incel care about the social norms of a society that actively rejected him and despises him despite his best efforts to integrate?

Reminder: the real blackpill is that your personality is as genetic and immutable as your height

>>16269933
Why the fuck is Madame Bovary on that list?

>>16273871
I think your personality will evolve. Not in itself by your actions because you try to preserve it but when forced into somewhere you would never go, what comes out is not the same personality.
But your height might also change by actions of others so maybe you are right.

>>16273871
There are as many blackpills as there are stars in the sky. The idea is that you overdose on them so that all mental processes that link your well-being to these kinds of models start failing. At that point you start feeling better and ironically become a more approachable person. It also gives you a clearer picture on how your own construction of the the world affects your mood and behavior

>>16273746
If anything incels are hyperrational. The micro-analysis of every bone fragment.

Incel meetup

>>16273969
r/inceltears meetup

>>16273969
>these are the people who do it for free

>>16273940
Also this, this is probably the core of the issue. I remember playing a game when I was a kid.
It was a kind of morality game.
I would ask myself whether I'd sacrifice myself for my mother if her life was in danger, naturally I said yes. Then I modified the conditions and asked myself if I'd sacrifice myself for my mother if she also had an incurable disease that would kill her in a year. Maybe I'd still say yes. Then I would modify the conditions again and tell myself that she would die in five months even if I sacrificed myself. And so on and so on.

>>16273185
probably close to 20% of young men in western societies are incels. That doesn't necessarily mean they all identify with the subculture.

>>16273976
is that bearded one he or she?

>>16269933
Schopenhauer believed that Anglicans (or maybe it was Lutherans) were going to burn in Hell for treating black people worse than they treated White people.

>>16270225
Otto Weininger is Jewish and killed himself.

>>16273969
is this real? damn most of them look very decent and some of them are actually handsome like the two asians on the right.

>>16274062
You're delusional. The 60s are no more gramps, you have to be at least 8/10 to get laid in 2020

I hate women. I shouldn't and I don't want to. But I do. I understand it us irrational. You don't hate the lion foe hunting the gazelle for food. It is what it is.
But I hate women still.

>>16274062
femanon here. i'd only consider one of them to be physically adequate honestly, and it isn't the asian guy though he does dress nice

>>16274084
Based femoid, at least you're honest

>>16273969
>>16274062
oh fuck me this IS real.
>>16274084
>physically adequate
wdym (and who is it)? what a weird way to put it. also I thought girls liked these generic korean boys

>>16274127
>physically adequate
by physically adequate I mean someone attractive enough for me to sleep with or be in a relationship with
>also I thought girls liked these generic korean boys
i like white guys.
the first guy to the left of the shaggy haired guy at the end of the table in
>>16274127
is the only one who does it for me imo

>>16273969
They are like my irl friends and they all have bit tiddy gfs

>>16274143
aw man that's sad to hear honestly, I'm not gay but that asian dude in the red flannel is a cutie. just look at that smile bro. Women have no taste desu

>>16274143
>goes for the most stereotypical low-tier chad in the pic

all women are like this

>>16274143
I didn't even notice that guy but you're right he has the best features

>>16274127
Nothing wrong with these fellas. I have high hopes that incels will eventually form a very impactful movement in the future.

>>16274223
>Nothing wrong with these fellas
Despite the fact that they call for violence against women and believe that everyone but themselves are at fault for their failures?

>>16274248
I meant, physically

>>16274248
Go back

>>16274127
t. the guy in the picture

>>16274143
kill yourself asap i mean it

>>16274248
Do incels do that? It's that a platform of the movement? I thought it was more about >the no gf and getting shit for it by society.

>>16274029
>Otto Weininger is Jewish and killed himself.
So peak incel?

>>16269933
>where you based
Yes

It seems like nothing in this thread has anything to do with reality.

>>16269933
>The World as Will and Representation
This has nothing to do with intel’s or misogyny. Schopenhauer was also the furthest possible thing from intel once could be.

A Woman in Berlin is probably the greatest expression of the female mindset ever written by a woman.

>>16273969
Literally me.

one of the biggest red pills is the first time you realize that women experience literally no disconnect between saying X when it feels good to say X, and completely betraying and contradicting X five seconds later when it feels good to do that. women like to "try on" male-centric morals and virtues like children playing dress-up, but they don't actually know what it means to set up a virtue as an objective principle for oneself and then resist the temptation to break it in future moments when it stops being convenient and pleasant.

so if you ask a woman what kind of guy she values, she will blab on and on for hours about how noble she is and how she sees through superficiality and only wants sweet genuine men and etc., etc., etc. then five seconds later she'll completely contradict everything she said. the key thing to understand about women is that they don't perceive any difference here. from a man's perspective, you are thinking "but she said 'i only do X' and two seconds later she did 'non-X'?" this is because the fundamental modality of male consciousness is erecting principles and trying to follow them - even if you're a shitty man, it just means you're shitty and weak at erecting principles, not that the FUNDAMENTAL modality of principle-erection is absent. a woman's fundamental modality is "doing what i feel like." to a woman, that behavior is completely consistent: in the first instance, she did what she felt like. then she did what she felt like again. only a man perceives that the CONTENT of the actions was contradictory, i.e., would be contradictory if performed by a man. but for a woman whose primary stream of consciousness is "what do i want to do right now? :) perhaps i'll wear a ribbon in my hair tomorrow, tra lala!," no such contradiction occurred, or indeed is even possible.

>>16271178
What a fucking gem

>>16274127
Most of them are quite handsome, hell if I was a Sodomite I'd fuck 'em. Women don't know what they're missing.

>>16269933
https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill
Cool wiki

>>16276938
t. delusional femoid

>>16273664
they don't like incels because a lot of what incels say is perfectly accurate and reason based (a lot of it is complete bs too) and they don't like having their illusions shattered as to the cruel and bitter reality of sex and dating for many people. that and incels represent social rejection as a whole not only sexual rejection, which people fear more than anything except maybe death, so it's only natural that people should have such contempt for them. anyone or any group that ruins the nomralfag positivity party and reminds them of the nature of things is not going to be popular.

>>16274127
young christoph waltz on the right

>>16277412
if true, women are a meme

>>16269933
Fuck off, no one wants this it will just further pollute the world with a conception created by people who dislike men, just as neonazism runs by the stereotypes which were created to sabotage Westerners conception of it.

>>16273113
How do you even know this if you aren't a faggot?

>>16277461

>>16277433
What do Schopenhauer and Weininger have to do with involuntary celibacy?

>>16271965
Can you give some examples?

>>16273719
If you are ugly, fat, poor and stupid why would you feel entitled to a young, beautiful girl?

This thread feels totally out of place, even for /lit/.

>>16277839
The problem is that you are not talking about books but shitposting like it matters.

>>16277655
>“It is better for you to have put your manhood in the mouth of a venomous snake or a pit of burning charcoal than a woman.”
>“Of all the scents that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman.Of all the tastes that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman. Of all the voices that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman. Of all the caresses that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman.”
>Ananda, if women had not renounced their household lives and ordained in the religion of the Tathagata, the holy life would have lasted long, the core teaching of Buddhism would have remained for a thousand years. Because the ordination of women has occurred in this religion of the Tathagata, the holy life will not last long; the True Dharma will last for only 500 years. Ananda, in whatever religion women are ordained, that religion will not last long. As families that have more women than men are easily destroyed by robbers, as a plentiful rice-field once infested by rice worms will not long remain, as a sugarcane field invaded by red rust will not long remain, even so the True Dharma will not last long

>>16273296
Why not? Incel subcultures make a set of claims about the world.

>>16278774
Holy fucking baseeed

>>16273969
I look exactly like blonde faggot in the middle except im tall