/lit/ - Literature

>>16282407
You were supposed to read books not watch porn

>>16282407
There's a reason sexual immorality is a Christian vice, anyway

>>16282410
I’m literally reading a Bloom-inspired list of canonical western works. I’m only a few books in and there’s already a surprising amount of cuck shit

>>16282407
That's what you get for reading Diderot

>>16282501
Haven’t got around to him yet but Molière’s work has its fair share

>>16282420
Give examples

>>16282407
it's a really efficient plot device, considering how easy it is to integrate into most narratives
and humans like fucking, i guess

>>16282407
It is a constant and basically unsolvable problem for men. Well now there are paternity tests I guess, im surprised women didn't try to outlaw those lel

>>16282407
Read the Arabian Nights. In the first 40 pages, there's literally 5 different storiws of cuckolding. The story even starts when Shariyar and Shah Zeman see their wives cheating on them and then visit a jinn whose wife cheats on him.

>>16282407
The real answer is that most people who have the temperament to become artists are fairly low in the social-sexual status hierarchy and thus have significant experience with losing women to men who rank higher - that’s why that theme occurs with so many artists in general

>>16282517
Not him but classic lit with that theme

-Arabian Nights
-the Decameron
-Canterbury Tales

>>16282407
Didn't you know? it's the intellectual fetish.

>>16282412
There’s a reason frog poster is getting the heebeejeebees and it’s because of christian morality

>>16282517
Anything about cheating on spouses. Red and the Black for one.

>>16282805
By the way what is canterbury tales? Have heard anons talk about it but never read it?

Cheating was and still is quite popular, by unhappy housewives, and whores.

>>16282833
And men, too. But we know the men usually did the getting cheated on and then the killing

>>16282541
>I'm surprised women didn't try to outlaw those
Don't give them any ideas, anon

>>16282831
First major canonical work of literature (I know this is debatable but it's what's generally accepted) written in English, basically a collection of stories that a bunch of pilgrims tell each other on their journey. The stories are as varied as the characters telling them and range from ribaldry to chivalric romances. Chaucer is without a doubt one of the most important authors in English along with Shakespeare and was praised by his contemporaries for beautifying a language that was until that time "rude speche and incongrue"

>>16282831
It’s incredibly based. It’s the book that made me realize even all of the 18th century satirists and metafictionalists were behind the curve. If nothing else, read the the prologue and the wife of bath; you won’t believe how far ahead something written in the 14th century good be

>>16282817
I'm not Christian. It's just really weird how common it is

>>16282794

From my experience its usually those artist types that are cucking higher ranking men

>>16282407
You thought people being unfaithful in their marriage is a recent phenomenon?

>>16282831
Tons of crude sex stories of people fucking and cheating each other. I recommend watching the Pasolini film first before reading it.

>>16282932
I will be honest: I'm a virgin who doesn't know much about women and was genuinely surprised it was so prevalent (or at least that it was such a widely used theme in literary works)

>>16282943

Its most prevalent in both the lower and upper classes (for opposite reasons). For normal stable middle class people, its much less common although it still does happen.

>>16282831
https://youtu.be/rrFMMU2LAPE

>>16282407
stick to the medieval spanish
trust me i also ran into this issue until i did this
to this date my lit has been cuck free

>>16282993
also if you ask why, it's because all europeans minus spainards are cuckolds and wittols
it's just the way they are, accept it

>>16282407
Yeah, it’s ridiculous how many writers are simps.

>>16282517
The Iliad

>>16282517
>start with the Greeks
>first chapter of the histories
>>How Candaules made his bodyguard, Gyges, view the naked body of his wife. Upon discovery, she ordered Gyges to murder Candaules or face death himself

>>16282943
It happened. One of the things to keep in mind regarding infidelity in medieval European romances and poems is to remember that for the target audience cheating on your spouse had a different cultural implication attached to it. Nobles didn't generally marry someone they loved, if they were lucky they ended up loving their spouse, but in a general environment of arranged/political marriages the notion of married ladies falling in love with handsome knights and married lords having it off with homely peasant girls carries a sort of romantic, and sexual, freedom generally denied to the audience for these works.

>>16282407
>made for Moorish cock

>>16282541
Kek, it is outlawed in France

>>16283991
Whattt???

>>16282541
>didn't try to outlaw those lel
Oh how naive you are

>>16284005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_paternity_testing#France

>>16284005
At a stroke, the one thing that women had going for them has been taken away, the one respect in which they had the last laugh over their husbands and lovers. DNA tests are an anti-feminist appliance of science, a change in the balance of power between the sexes that we’ve hardly come to terms with. And that holds true even though many women have the economic potential to provide for their children themselves.

By contrast, the old situation, in which women presented men with a child, and the man either did the decent thing and offered support, or made a run for it, allowed women a certain leeway. The courtesan in Balzac who, on becoming pregnant, unhesitatingly sought, and got, maintenance from two of her men friends, can’t have been the only one. Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them.

The point is that paternity was ambiguous and it was effectively up to the mother to name her child’s father, or not. (That eminently sensible Jewish custom, whereby Jewishness is passed through the mother, was based on the fact that we only really knew who our mothers are.) Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter? You can feel quite as much tenderness for a child you mistakenly think to be yours as for one who is. Piers Paul Read’s interesting new novel, The Misogynist, touches on just this issue.

A.C. Grayling, the philosopher, has written with feeling on this question this week, in an article for the Evening Standard. Noting that 4 per cent of men are, all unknowing, raising children who are not genetically theirs, according to a report in the Journal of Epidemiology and Human Health, he ponders the impact a DNA paternity test can have: ‘The result can be shattering, leading to divorce, marital violence, mental health difficulties for all parties including the children.’ Well, yes. Scientific certainty has produced clarity all right, and relieved any number of men of their moral obligations, but at God knows what cost in misery, recrimination and guilt.

>>16284029
>uphold the peace of families
Whoever came up with that should be shot in the head

>>16284060
Or women could not just cheat.

>>16284076
Or that

>>16284076
Women don't cheat; it's called nonconsensual intercourse.

>>16284060
Why would marital violence be frowned upon if the cause is the cheating of the woman?

>>16283942
Cuckoldry refers to a man interested in watching someone else having sex with his wife. Cheating, fucking someone else's wife against their wishes, etc is not cuckoldry. Where the fuck is there cuckoldry in the Iliad? Having your woman fucked ("bedded") is considered a huge dishonor

>>16284099
Because it's bad for the state that families start fighting and breaking apart.

>>16284076
Men cheat more than women according to stats

>>16284108
Irrelevant

>>16283991
wow... i've heard things about the french but.... really?

>come home
>See your kid has a very different eye color, skin color, aand hair from either of you.
>Expect foul play
>Go to wife and ask
>Wife "jej, umm, SOOOURCE, Do you have a single academic source for that one buddy? Correlation does not equal causation"
>You, in fact do not have a single source to back up that claim.
>You concede the argument in shame. For you did not have a source.

>>16284101
retard
cuckoldry is just being blissful unaware that you are being cheated on. has nothing to do with your shitty fetish

>>16282924
It is still the christian morality pushed onto us. What you think is weird is pretty common so pretty normal to see reflected in fiction

>>16282794
not the case of Wagner

>>16282794
Based and blackpilled

>>16284823
eh, really? because the pre christian Romans were like that too.

im leaning towards your usual anti-christian bias.

>>16282817
Guys I'm still relatively newfag
Is there a way to permanently hide butterfly's posts?

>>16285330
People will always feel jilted when their lover falls out of love. We cherish lifelong bonds, but they might be rarities. I would like for maximum freedom and understanding to take the place of jealousy and abuse. But it is a very popular source of conflict for stories.

>>16285338
Click settings, dingbat

>>16285361
Huh?

Cervantes writes a good tale about cuckoldry. The worst kind of cuck is the one who's happy and inflicts the wounds upon his perfectly fine marriage.

>>16282407
You think people just started cheating like 100 years ago? Think more

>>16285361
Holy seethe hahaha

>>16285378
based incels are trying to correct a modern issue brought on by hyperglycemia feminists

>>16284804
Ok who in the Iliad was unaware he was being cheated on?

>>16285354
ok, but then its a naturally developed struggle, not one created by some arbitrary specific socio-cultural movement like the Christian faith. Chinese History as well shows this very conflict.

>>16285466
patroculius; with Achilies banging that slut slave instead of his boybussy.

>>16285578
Okay okay.