/lit/ - Literature

>>16307680
The Days of His Grace by Eyvind Johnson follows a family in Lombardy during the conquests and reign of Charlemagne. It's absolutely fantastic, though it might be very hard to find an english copy.

Wonder how many tradcath monarchist larpers this game would create again

>>16307680
You'll have to narrow it down. What region and time period? Historical fiction or history?

No. There are no good history books

>>16307680
Go back to your incest simulator you chinless faggot.

>>16308123
Early Middle Ages. (after fall of Roman Empire) ?

there isnt

it's all sex negative drivel saying sex bad masturbtion bad, lust bad.

>>16307680
sure I guess morte d'arthur obviously
Maybe the song of roland?
maybe Roman de la Rose
maybe Piers Plowman

>>16309849
>>16307680
There is actually quite a bit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_literature

more two if you go down specific routes like Chivalric romance or chanson de geste

Name of the Rose

>>16307680
Not much and you have the cucklick “church” to thank for that

>>16309873
by what metric do you even measure "scientific advancement"?

shit graph, shit post

>>16309884
Contribution to sciences rather than sitting in a church all day talking to your imaginary friend and preventing commoners from learning to read

>>16309884
Its bait friend, dont respond, makes no sense historically and the timelines and metrics are fucked.

>>16309899
Coping retard, christcucks have set us back a millennium and sorry but the Sistine chapel doesn’t make up for it

>>16309894
Midwits shouldn't be permitted to read.

>>16309884
Output in mathematics, philosophy, science, etc. There were more than 1000 years of stagnation between antiquity and the renaissance. The period is called the dark ages.

>>16307680
Matter of France

>>16309899
The facts don't care about your fee-fees, brainlet.

>>16309917

>>16309873
>leaving out the Hyperwars
ngmi

>>16309922
Like maybe until 1000. most of the classical medieval setting of 1000-1500 was a pretty constant development in civilization. and even before that to with the Carolingian renaissance and byzantium.

>>16309917
Not a christian, just not a spastic polemic with a 3rd graders understanding of history.

>>16309922
Keep listening to Protestant propaganda retard

>>16309979
Keep coping. 1000 years of diddling boys and persecuting astronomers.

>>16307680
Procopius’s works are primary and extensive, his secret history is strange especially but I like it, just take the demon stuff as exaggeration for affect and pay attention to the despotism and not trusting hoes.
>videogame
Cringe
>>16309815
Procopius was writing at this time (reign of Justinian).
Additionally, though this isn’t a book, you could check out the Yale courses lecture series on the early medieval era on YouTube, it’s about twenty lectures. It doesn’t come across as a modern commentator lambasting the past for not being modern enough too, it’s very positive on Christianity for example. But if you’re a newfag from outside of /lit/ you won’t like the positive things he says about Islam because you’re too spooked by liberalism.
Here’s a link: https://youtu.be/ZC8JcWVRFp8

>>16310003
Galileo was a catholic himself and had no evidence to back up his claims.
Read Against Method

>>16310013
He was forced to recant or burn lol.

>>16309873
>not posting the real chart
Mark of a history midwit

>>16310003
>persecuting astronomers
the humanity. How will I know if im totally a virgo?

>>16310027
>he was forced to recant or burn over a model first hypothesized by a catholic priest

>>16310039
where see people dark age? Are you working for them?

>>16309955
It wasn't until 1500 that Western Europe began to catch up to the greats of 1800 years earlier, like Aristotle and Archimedes.

>>16310042
>bro why are you curious about the world just trust gods plan bro *rapes your kid*
Sad that the Greeks knew more about the world than cucklick “scholars” 2000 years later

>>16310063

>>16310063
Its not like the romans and greeks also didnt do summery purging of information they didnt like.And its not like that was a massive perogative anyways. much development in many feilds were already winding down by the 2nd century in terms of phil and tech development. Romes werent exactly big pushers for development and science, they just used mass amounts of slaves.

>>16310061
By what metrics? You ever though it was maybe in part due to the fact that a highly urban hyperempire collapsed into a largely rural and decentralized group of tribesmen? something like that kinda impacts things pretty heavily.

>>16310052
The Bronze Age collapse is fictitious and was invented in order to cover up the Hibernian conspiracy

>>16310083
I accept your concession.

>>16310013
yes
"galileo goes to jail and other myths about science and religion"

there was never a "condemnation" or persecution or "burning at the stake" most of this stories are pure lies.... basically Galileo's theory sparkle heavy discussion but he didn't have enough evidence to inmidiately prove his case...

and there were never "mass killings and torture by the inquisition" in fact the term inquisition means "inquiry" they were a proto-judicial-trial system put in place to avoid lynchings and to avoid the public from "taking matters into their own hands" with unmeasured violence the cases that are factual commited by this mechanism just like the witch trials are relatively few

>>16309955
Most histories of mathematics or philosophy will rightly devote zero space to Europe during the thousand year gap between antiquity and modernity. Perhaps they will provide one chapter that tries to explain why civilization collapsed for so long, or give a few morsels of information about minor peripheral figures. But most works of intellectual history will pivot after late antiquity to discussing developments in China, India, and the Islamic world. There is no getting around the fact that Europe was an intellectual dead zone for more than a millennium.

>>16310109
oh, ok.

>>16307680
Erec and Enide

>>16310105
>You ever though it was maybe in part due to the fact
I never made any claims about the causes of the collapse. Only that the collapse definitely happened, and that it lasted for more than 1000 years.

>>16310061
Not the guy you’re replying to and I agree that the medieval period was not as productive as after but this example demonstrates that the Romans also lacked philosophical and scientific discovery compared to specific Greek cultures. The trouble is a generalised focusing of values and societal infrastructure to provide intellectual growth, which super-Christian Europe lacked, but so did Rome: stoics are relatively unimpressive, Gnostics are a meme (and basically Christian anyway in mythos), Neoplatonists are ok but derivative of Plato and not as paradigm altering as Spinoza.

>>16310117
> for more than a millennium.
for like maybe 500-600 years, and i dont disagree with you, it is called the dark age for a reason, but that by and large lasted till 1000 ish ad.by the 1100 and especially the 1200's both development in philosophy (especially in the context of the scholastic movement and a number of new paradigms set by those like Occum and Aquinus) showed it to be a burgeoning hub.

but i would argue that was mostly due to the systems colapse of the empire rather than the church, so its really odd to call it the christian dark age when it was more the socio-political change of germanic tribal rule rather than the church that was the biggest impact.

>>16310129
>I never made any claims about the causes of the collapse. Only that the collapse definitely happened
ok and i dont disagree.
that it lasted for more than 1000 years.
disagree.

>>16310135
Note: I give Spinoza as a post-medieval example of someone discussing what God is in a rational way, to parallel Plato before Roman dominance. Incidentally, parallelling those two could indicate that small prosperous states (Dutch and Athenians) are especially conducive to thinkers of that type.

>>16307680
reminder that the so called dark ages is the period right after the fall of rome the fall had many factors: the barbarians/nord tribes, diseases plagues and muslim invations/wars and theres recent evidence of low food production because of volcanic activity it took a long time for europe to get back on their feet and by the mid of the middle ages (1000 AD) we start to see a reflourishing with new developments like the cathedrals which were the tallest bulldings in the world and many other great development in arts and craft, the catholic church basically founded the modern universities to this day a lot of the most important universities have a christian cross in their "coat of arms", music notation was standarized by the church they impremented trivium and quadrivium education etc...it would be good if this system was re-implemented along with Latin and greek study

the fall of rome was traumatic and basically a reset for europe, the catholic church was the one trying to preserve civilization (all material empires fall, nothing new, this goes according to theology, even the catholic church will see a painful decline and reset, we are seeing right now the start)... on the other hand the Eastern Roman Empire, was still trying to keep things together they even preserved a lot of the ancient greek literature (contrary to popular belive that they were lost or forgotten bizantium did had greek manuscrips)

>"In the history of Europe, the Middle Ages (or medieval period) lasted from the 5th to the 15th century. It began with the fall of the Western Roman Empire and merged into the Renaissance and the Age of Discovery."

>"On April 30, 711, Muslim General Tariq ibn-Ziyad landed at Gibraltar and by the end of the campaign most of the Iberian Peninsula (except for small areas in the north-west such as Asturias and the Basque territory) were brought under Islamic rule."

the muslim invasion is a mix bag, it brought some interesting things but as a whole it was a decline for europe, the fact is those territories had to return to europe it took a LOT of time and effort but they had to return,after the retake europe flourished and catholic spain even conquered a "new world" , the holy roman empire was form by those same barbarians tribes that were part in the sack of rome no less(but now they were christians and now they have the gift of civilization), thats how powerful all this is... on contrast now the "caliphates" are in general in a very deplorable state

>>16310404
Excellent post good sir.

>>16307680
this is an interesting book

>A richly dressed woman stands before a forge and, using a hammer and anvil,
fashions people out of existing parts: this is "Natura artifex", or Nature the ar-
tisan The metaphor of Natura artifex was commonly used in the early
and high medieval periods to convey Nature’s role in a three- tiered system of
creation that included the works of God, Nature, and human beings. Broadly
speaking, the metaphor turns on the idea that Nature acts as an intermediary
between the world of ideal forms and the world of matter.The metaphor of
Natura artifex depicts Nature’s role to create material ob-
jects out of preexisting forms— and renders it visually (the preexisting forms
are in this image the body parts) and in the vocabulary of manufacture (Na-
ture uses a hammer, anvil, and forge to do her work)

>>16310013
based. listen to this man.

the dark ages were dark really just dark because modern historians forgot to turn the lights on

>>16309815
>after fall of Roman Empire
That's mid Renaissance

>>16307680
Why is it so hard to convert to hellenism in this game? And why are there so many retarded bugs?

anyone want books from the scottish middle ages?
what types?

>>16312236
the game completely messed upp the culture.
it has cultures in britain that didnt exist then it says that the church in ireland wasnt catholic. a joke.

>>16312236
>Play meme game
>Get memed

>>16312173
yes, it was a lot more rich and bright than what they tell us... theres 2 things that I think could represent this psychology of brightness that they had back then: the illuminated books with their incredible use of colors that to this day theres no simil and the vitrials and also the colorful garments, even if not everyone could have all this things in their home their psyche clearly was fixated on color and illumination

and the creation of the hurdy gurdy is the greatest triumph of humanity, how could the space program even compete?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYJg9cLk1us

>>16307680
Ivanhoe

Baudolino