/lit/ - Literature

Comfort reading. What's yours?

>>16370645
>800+ votes
>/sffg/
oh boy more people who don't participate in a community affecting said community
what a big ol surprise

>>16370645
That's a pretty solid chart, judging from the books I know. The lack of dumb shit I'm aware of is also a huge plus.

>>16370645
Dude, you really fucked up. You should have run a second poll with all the nominations with 1 vote. There is no way that this general, no matter their shit taste, would vote Kings of the Reddyt higher than Hyperion or Dying Earth or Canticle for Leibowitz (all had 1 vote).

You arbitrarily took a lot of decent options out through laziness. What you did is beyond saving.

DUNC

I'm having a hell of a time finding an ebook copy of the new Dresden files. If anyone has a link, you can save me from reading through the Belgariad and the Mallorean for the 71st time.

Is the Johannes Cabal series worth getting into?

>>16370788
Was this because you could vote for different books at the same time and it counts all as separate votes? I voted for several, for instance.

Is The Expanse really worth getting into? What does it read like? My coworker was raving about it and had me thinking it was just a standard drama with space backdrop.

>>16370645
>over 800 votes
Which has nothing to do with how many people voted since, one person could vote for like 25 options at once.

>>16370769
I read about half of Sourcery today before I even realised how long I'd been reading for. I blame reading The Big Fat Father Christmas Joke Book as a kid and this entire nation for grooming me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu4hW5Qs_cM
Have you worked on your anime fanfiction today, /sffg/?

>>16370645
Shit chart

>>16371103
I've got a couple ideas, but all of them can be boiled down to "It's like ____ but with magic!" so I'm hesitant to proceed. The only idea I have that isn't that really only works as a YA book, I think.

>>16370645
>gentlemen bastard sequence
when the fuck is the next book coming out

>instantly skipped all chapters with romance garbage in them

Fuck off who wants to read this

>The next second was forever burnt into Kron Darkbow’s memory. While only a second, it lasted an eternity, a never-ending moment of pain and darkness and death he would play over and over in his mind, always questioning what he could have done differently. Kron’s only thought was of Wyck cradled in his arms.
>A chunk of the roof, as if launched from a crossbow, smashed into the twelve-year-old boy’s forehead, denting his skull and splattering blood.
riparooni
HOW MANY SECONDS ARE IN AN ETERNITY

>>16367891
I wouldn't read it if you're looking for straight horror, while it does stray close to horror a few times the nightmare-ish quality comes from a pervasive sense that something has gone very wrong

>>16370788
800 votes doesn't mean 800 people. You could vote for all the books if you wanted to which is how it reached the 800 number. OP is a faggot.

>>16370645
SFFG Discord:
http://discord.gg/KWPCM7m

The Trouble with Peace readalong starts today.

Upcoming:
Sep 28-Oct 16: The Iliad
Oct 1: Uzumaki

>>16370769
I don't really have any comfy reading but I would like to think the 40k books would be comfy. I really out to read more Discworld. The Colour of Magic was OK, I don't remember much of it.

Don't care for any of the new POV but seeing the old ones die from the og trilogy make me so goddamn sad.

>>16370645
>2020 CHART EDITION
Cringe. So embarrassing.

Fuck E William Brown
No New Book for 2020.
Fuck Paywalls.
Fuck Paypigs.
Fuck predatory authoring.

Fuck faggots who only read and post about literotica. Bleed out of every orifice, abortion rejects.

>>16371864
im only on chapter 4 or 5, but if glokta dies, im done with abercrombie forever

>>16370645
I know for a fact that chart is reddite.
>king of the wylds
>discworld
>Robin Hobb
>Senlin ascends
>Tolkien
All rebbit favs.

>>16371916
nah dude old sticks is gonna be a new immortal magi

>>16371593
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/jackvance/
The archives are where the good stuff is.

>>16371916
Me too anon.

>>16371951

I'm guessing he finally takes out Bayaz but dies in the process in the next book. I do wonder though if Ferro and Logen will ever appear. I kind of hope not as Logen literally got the best ending he could have hoped for as he walked off into the sunset in Red Country.

>>16371143
Author got metoo’d so likely never.

>>16371646
Fuck off freak

>>16372129
He didn't metoo'd, that was his wife. The mistress and the wife had a full on ugly public spat I believe.
The book is still on for 2021.

>>16372149
>freak
The scientific term is tranny.

>>16372149
>>16372190
shut up transphobes

anyone else find it funny all the people complaining about books in chart are not recommending any of their own?

>>16372185
>mistress and wife had a spat
elucidate.

>>16372214
It's all the same diamond-dozen 'top 20s'-tier drivel that gets posted frequently and has been discussed to absolute goddamn ad nauseum for years you EMBARRASSING FROGPOSTING NIGGER NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THEIR COMFORT ZONE
NEWFAGS LIKE YOU ARE LIKE TALKING VAGINAS WHO HAVE ONLY READ HARRY POTTER
Lurk more and headbutt a fucking railroad spike.

>>16372214
i have just the list for you fren, books ive read in the last few years and have enjoyed. in no particular order
dresden files- jim butcher
the elenium and the tamuli- david eddings
dragonbone chair (memory sorrow and thorn)- some german guy
the faithful and fallen series (dont bother with the follow up series however)
the expanse series
the gap cycle- stephen donaldson (kinda rapey at times)
the eyes of the dragon- only stephen king book ive liked

>>16372242
>dragonbone chair (memory sorrow and thorn)- some german guy
>some german guy
If I was Tad Williams, I'd hunt you down you inbred cretin.

This is an embarrassing chart

>>16372214
What's the point? It's obvious from the results that nobody was taking their votes seriously

>>16372217
https://www.alexandrarowland.net/single-post/2020/06/25/On-Scott-Lynch-and-Elizabeth-Bear

Actually my bad, she did try to metoo him but she also had a problem with his wife. Stupid bitch willingly slept with a married guy and couldn't possibly fathom why the wife would hate her and then she oh so predictably jumped on the "I was abused" train.

>>16372242
Why would you recommend Eddings' worst series? He's already purposefully formulaic, there's no need to exacerbate the problems

>>16372284
i just assumed he was german, as every time ive downloaded his stuff theres a million german versions and 1 english. very enjoyable series, however
>>16372310
because i enjoyed them? ive read all of eddings and those were the only 2 ive liked

>>16372306
>i was groomed
>started at 25
at what age do women take responsibility for their own actions?

>>16372389
she can be 60 and if the "abuser" is 72 she still won't take respsonnility

This chart is all the reasons the rest of /lit/ makes fun of us in one neat package

>tfw no one's writing short story horror fantasy anymore
Sucks, bros.

>>16372518
oh no, a group of people with their heads further up their asses then /mu/ posters make fun of us? whatever shall i do

>>16372527
I read this a couple weeks back actually but it isn't very recent. You may enjoy it, may not: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005FQSOWA

>>16372529
I'm not saying you should care that they make fun of you, just that their absolutely in the right to do so. It's the most pedestrian fantasy chart I can imagine.

>>16372547
>stop enjoying things i dont enjoy
im fine with what i like, im sorry you cant let yourself enjoy things if the cool kids dont like it.

>>16372541
>"The Castle of Endless Woe" is a young adult, dark fantasy novelette bordering on horror fiction.
You meme-ing on me, bro?

Anything good from RR?

>>16372527
Like all good things, the Japs have colonized the genre as manga now

>>16372518
chart is shit because op is a faggot but who cares if some tards who don't even read talk shit about sffg?

>>16372560
It's literally a short fantasy story that features horror elements.
>meme-ing
Go back to whatever social aggregate you spawned from if you can't maintain an adult discourse.

>>16372554
If you're happy to admit you're no more discerning of writing ability than the average Junior high English teacher, I guess there's nothing I can do to stop you

>>16371864
And so he wept for the most evil of men, for to him he was before anything else a friend.

>>16371916
It doesn't matter who lives or dies. Life doesn't care and no one is special. The Great Leveller is the same for all.

>>16371951
Not the slightest chance.

>>16372029
Not going to happen.

>>16372561
A Journey of Black and Red

Glancing at last year's chart in the Mega archive, I see the reading club's influence imprinted strongly.

>>16372574
ok. end of the day you are being a grumpy guss and im enjoying the things i like. hows that working out for you?

>>16372610
Very poorly no doubt, but I don't know any other way to respond to a community I like being colonized by normalfags

>>16372604
That's the edited results chart, not the actual results, hence the edition name

>>16372631
Colonization finished before you arrived.

>>16372631
>how dare people talk about sci fi and fantasy books on a sci fi and fantasy board, i personally have not given those books my seal of approval
you honestly sound like a gigantic faggot, and im pretty sure no one likes you

>>16372652
They were right, democracy was a mistake

>>16372669
I just think it's embarrassing that the voters have apparently read so little sci fi that they think the expanse was a top of its sub genre book

You can stop defending your shitty chart now chart bro we all know it's you.
Nobody else likes it and it wasn't even a true democratic voting system or Throne of Glass would have won.

>>16372604
Yeah the book club is the only reason Conan is in the new chart.

>>16372570
Nigga, you was meme-ing on me!

>>16371864
The worst part about the new trilogy is how he tried to write Logen 2.0 and Glotka 2.0 in Broad and Vick and failed miserably all other POVS blow them out of the water. He tired to repeat his best two POV characters and utterly failed.

>>16372610
Your attitude induces no confidence.

>>16372771
> Vick
> Glotka 2.0
nigga you retarded. hurr traveling to westport and ensuring the vote is exactly the same as the siege of dagoska. glokta 2 is remixed into multiple characters.

>>16370645
Not sure if the Safehold series has the best books names ever or the worst ones.
>Off Armageddon Reef
>By Schism Rent Asunder
>By Heresies Distressed
>A Mighty Fortress
>How Firm a Foundation
>Midst Toil and Tribulation
>Like a Mighty Army
>Hell's Foundations Quiver
>At the Sign of Triumph
>Through Fiery Trials

That's a long series.
Has anyone read all the books? How does the quality progress?
I've finished 3 books so far and enjoyed them, they're comfy af but I felt like the "good guys" lacked any serious obstacles. Not particularly a fan of subversion, the lack of grimderpiness is in fact what I found refreshing about the books but sometimes it felt like everything was just a little bit too easy.

Would recommend to anyone that's interested in "sci-fi meets medieval world" trope.

>>16372389
Never. That's why they should never be hired or allowed to vote.

>https://www.amazon.com/Something-Full-Murderhobo-Book-1-ebook/dp/B08GPP5KN1
wh0a epic!

If I wrote a short story would you guys read it and give your opinions

>>16373161
If you let the cat out, I might.

>>16373161
>would you guys read it
no
>give your opinions
it's shit

>>16373161
>read
No
>gice opinions
Yes

>>16373161
I will read the first page and make broad assumptions from that

>>16373161
Let kitty out! >:(

>>16372875
>Has anyone read all the books? How does the quality progress?
I liked them but my friend gave up halfway through
>but I felt like the "good guys" lacked any serious obstacles
I feel that in many ways this is intentional on authors part

Shit, Re-Reading Wolfe interviewed John Chrowley
https://rereadingwolfe.podbean.com/e/bonus-john-crowley-1/
(a respectable writer reads on his Kindle, what is your excuse)

>>16373171
>>16373249
his Tsiolkovsky and he can't breathe oxygen because he's a failed lab experiment and im keeping him in the water jug until his new habitat is done

>>16373213
>>16373225
>>16373240
im not picky, ill take what I can get

>>16373375
*his name is Tsiolkovsky

>>16373375
>his Tsiolkovsky and he can't breathe oxygen because he's a failed lab experiment and im keeping him in the water jug until his new habitat is done
Ok I might read your short story, even your shitposts are intriguing.

Is there some good sf written by wymen this last decade? I didn't like the Ann Leckie book.

Who was in the right?

>>16373803
Who's anyone to say what you'd find good.

Finally got fed up with not being able to find any recent fantasy novels that appealed to me and decided to write my own. Does anyone have any good books for advice on writing fantasy in particular? Trends to avoid, essential aspects of the genre? I think I've got a pretty firm understanding of it, but I figure it can't hurt to ask.

I got my "classical fantasy" author reading list:

>Tolkien
>C.S Lewis
>George MacDonald
>Lord Dunsany
>G.K. Chesterton
>Ursula Le Guin
>Novalis
>Lady Wilde
>Lewis Carroll
>Mervyn Peake
>Robert E. Howard

Any recommendations?

Bonus: If you can name a great fantasy author from Mexico, I will give you a taco.

>>16373943
Vance

Just finished pic related, while I nearly got filtered by the chink names earlier in the series I'm glad I persisted. Damn it was so good. However

I CANT BELIEVE THAT DUMB BITCH KEPT GETTING AWAY WITH CATASTROPHICALLY RUINING EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE ALL THE TIME WHAT THE FUCK

I BET THAT 5KG SHE LEFT BEHIND IN THE MINI UNIVERSE ACTUALLY PREVENTED THE GREAT CRUNCH AND GREAT UNIVERSE 2.0

>>16373803
Gideon the Ninth

>>16374079
Calling that shit scifi is a stretch and calling it good is an even bigger stretch. My discord tranny detector is going off.

>>16373943
Not the first time I've seen an extremely similar list and if you're the dude from 2 or 3 threads ago, you didn't even add the ones that I pitched you (Clark Ashton Smith, Arthur Machen, RE Edison), so screw you.

Not necessarily SF, but there isn't a more applicable thread as far as I saw; I'm looking for alternate history novel recommendations. I would prefer books that can't be summarized as "X military formation is transplanted to Y historical setting" or "what if the real slaves were the Whites we met along the way".

>>16374132
>tranny
You're probably not someone whose judgement on female authors is relevant.

>>16374014
>Dark forest trilogy
>aka Women; a cautionary tale

>>16373920
Rifle through the Mega archive in OP. I saw a graphic for fantasy how-to books earlier.

>>16374212
Nice b8, m8

this is alright, a bit clinched but alright, why isn't it more well kno

are there any fantasy books that are just about adventure? im getting bored of every thing i read having to deal with some sort of world ending apocalyptic threat

>>16374551
No, none. All fantasy is epic fantasy.

>>16374551
FFS take the jap pill and go read slice of life shit. Kings of the Wyld is about a band of old dudes coming back together for an adventure.

Is berserk sword and sorcery?

>>16372518
/lit/ reads philosophy. I don't think they are allowed to voice their opinions.

>>16372564
>horror manga
no such thing. Japanese horror has more common with comedy.

>>16374625
no, it's dark fantasy

>>16374625
Grimdark with a tiny bit of horror thrown in

I just suddenly wondered... has a fighting tournament ever been used as a major part of a story, and gone into in detail, in a western sci-fi or fantasy novel that isn't some half-assed webnovel written by someone who literally only consumes shonen anime?

>>16375084
A lot of horror has a lot in common with comedy. Both depend on a juxtaposition between what would normally be expected and what actually occurs. Hell, a lot of horror uses occasional comedy moments to relieve tension so that the audience doesn't start laughing at things that aren't meant to be funny.

>>16370955
I think the tv series is good because it's harder scifi, idk bout the books tho

>careful about your orcs bro

>>16375224
yes, but horror aspects should not suffer by incompetent use of humor.

>>16375313
Sure, I agree. I'm not sure I agree that Japan has literally never made good horror, though.

>>16375350
True, I was just hyperbolic

>>16370769
I like the Death novels of discworld especially.
I identify with his autism

>>16374551
Read more Verne

>make predictions about Trouble With Peace after ALH came out
>all of them were right

The standalones were decent. What the fuck happened with this new trilogy? Everyone's boring and predictable, and the main POVs are literally just combined stories of previous characters to go "muh parallelism".

Is there any book about post-apocalypse on a Dyson sphere? Similar to Blame! is fine.

>>16374551
Three Hearts and Three Lions

>>16374625
The first arc is, but overall no. Was grimderp for most of its run and now I would say it's just regular epic fantasy.

Has anyone read a good Chinese novel? What was xer name?
No web novels, as I'm a stickler for proper grammar and pacing, not some crappy translator's attempt at writing.

>>16375688
yeah i was thinking black swordsman stuff, ep1 of the anime

>>16375702
I haven't read it personally, but I've heard good things about The Three Body Problem.

>>16375702
Any particular limits? Can't go wrong with the Four Great Classics; or classical wuxia by Jin Yong and Gu Long.
I have a particular soft spot for A Deadly Secret by Jin Yong, it's around 220k words and has all the wuxia staples.

>>16375536
If you want to be disappointed then you'll be disappointed.

>>16375611
Ringworld is post-apoc on a... ringworld.

>>16375611
For sff involving Big Dumb Objects: Walking to Aldebaran, Piranesi
You might also try War of the Maps, though it takes place on the outside of a Dyson Sphere

Just finished the first 7 books of Gotrek and Felix and I have no intentions of reading the next 7. Any suggestions for more gritty fantasy?

>>16370645
why is there expanse but not for example dresden files? as a series expanse is pretty poor and only the first couple of books were good, why was Blood Song not added? Book 1 of blood song was pure kino.

>>16370864
Which book are you looking for?

>>16375611
Peter f hamilton Pandoras Star is about dyson sphere

>>16376185
>why
because democracy

>>16376214
>Pandoras Star is about dyson sphere
the book isn't about the sphere, and it's not even a dyson sphere.

>>16376265
>A Dyson sphere is megastructure that completely encompasses a star.
Yes, it's in the book.

>>16373836
dunno, it's inferior to the king of ireland's son

>>16376305
>A Dyson sphere is a hypothetical megastructure that completely encompasses a star and captures a large percentage of its power output
the sphere in the book encompasses the star, but it has its own power source.

>>16376150
Berserk trilogy by Robert Holdstock

>>16376445
details

>>16370864
Say hi to Polgara for me.

Anyone recommend this book?

>>16370864
Peace Talks is on libgen, piratebay, and audiobookbay. Where else have you looked?

>>16372306
Its amazing to me how even the biggest basedboy "allys" always get exposed like this and the wife has been some big feminist meme for years, propped up by her gender when they were desperate for more diversity in fantasy and constantly jerked off for awards even though no one read or cared about her shit at all and what do you know, is a shitty person and a hypocrite

>>16371646
PART IV

> grand tour
I've read other books with these and they have historical precedent, but Orso won't be going much of anywhere anytime soon.

> white chamber
Star Chamber

> education is dangerous
Only until it's co-opted.

> Shudders of distaste at the notion of such a thing as a woman
wew

> Orso has some ineffectual thoughts about reform again
I have severe doubts he'll be able to accomplish anything that he wants to.

Bayaz is becoming less and less of a character and more and more of a manifestation of ideals.

> Concerns about Angland and The North allying against Midderland
Why Do Our Colonies Keep Turning Against Us? Why Are Our Citizens In An Uprising Against Us? Truly An Unsolvable Mystery!

> We are not here to set right all the world's wrongs.
> What are we here for then?
> To ensure that we benefit from them.
It's convenient when they are so forthright about it, but that's what happens when a character becomes an ideal.

> Solumeo Shudra
What a complete disappointment initially. I was dismayed that he was so easily persuaded by the deception, but then it turned out he was right in what he did on a personal level because they were going to assassinate him. So goes being right for the wrong reasons. It seemed like secession was winning, but I may be wrong, so I don't think killing him would have been advisable in general. I think Westport ought to have seceded.

> During the forty years since we joined the Union, the world has changed beyond all recognition
The UK was part of the EU for 47 years.

> Election rigging
Hurray for more current events!

Savine's transformation into cokehead is well underway. Reminded me a bit of Tony Montana, but only superficially so.

> Jezal as "great father" of the nation
Nationalistic propaganda sure is amazing.

> Modern housing on the ruins of the slums
G E N T R I F I C A T I O N

> One cannot despise a thing without acknowledging its importance
I tend to agree and wonder how others can be oblivious to this.

> Arinhorm
Seems this is the result of Savine's spurning of him.

> Savine rejecting Sleisholt
Now she's rejecting hydroelectric power, which should have been well established by water mills already. Increasingly it seems that Savine never really have any business acumen. As she herself said everything before was rigged in her favor because of her connections and coercions. Now that her reputation is tarnished and she actually has to make insightful choices, she isn't able to do so. Then she believes that's she back at the top by marrying Leo is a return to the connections and coercions because she increasingly believes that's entirely what she relies upon. Well, aside from the cocaine anyway.

> V&B using debt to control even the most powerful businessmen
"Let us control the money of a country and we care not who makes its laws."

>>16377018

> wouldn't do the work I'd bring in a crowd of brown bastards
Almost every time the Insurrection Act was invoked in the US was because of labor or race.
As it says, "the United States has had the bloodiest and most violent labor history of any industrial nation in the world"
Increasingly I believe that Adua is about making a statement on the US.

> Broad
To be seen if something happens to his family and entirely changes his trajectory.

> Stand with the winners
Same as what Clover says.

> Leo
So dumb and so compromised by everything. As I've said before, one of the main problems I have with the characters is how often they fall into caricature, which I find less enjoyable.

> Some injuries simply become corrupt
Alas for lack of germ theory. They ought to consider progress in non-business related matters as well.

> Shanka
What a vestigial fantasy remnant they are. Maybe Rikke will take control of all of them and have a Shanka army.

> more visions
They'll be what they'll be.

> the inside of her arse
implying

I can't tell about the Breakers any longer and I don't know if it matters.

> Fire and Ice
Daenerys and Jon? I think not.

> Vick
I think it's more likely than not that she switches eventually, but that's influenced by my bias. Tallow may also turn on her to his advantage as well if she does so.

Shenkt more or less confirms that he's an eater. Still entirely unclear if he's King Casimir or not or how much that would even matter.

> Caurib
She's the sorcerers who Logen met at the beginning of The Blade Itself and was with Bethod. Unclear how she survived Black Dow splitting her head with an axe. Is Rikke supposed to be like Bran and Caurib is now like the "three eyed crow"?

> If there were rules it would not be magic
BUT WHAT ABOUT MY HARD MAGIC SYSTEMS!?

> King Jappo being gay rumor
I doubt there are going to be Leo x Jappo statements, but I wouldn't put it past you. Could be the slightest chance of Angland + The North + Styria allying because of their relations. Then add in other places. I'd be amused anyway.

> So why did [Orso] feel so utterly betrayed?
His embitterment continues. To what end?

> Rikke loses function in an eye
Is this supposed to be like how Odin lost his eye for wisdom? Bayaz really probably ought to have killed her already. Seems like quite the oversight on his part that he'll come to regret.

> Leo pining for Jurand
Forever unrequited.

> S&M
Leo had been saying in various ways how much he liked strong domineering women like his mother and taking orders from them. This was a natural and expected progression to me.

I don't know why I was expecting it to be any different, but Glokta certainly had a casual conversation with his step-daughter about her incest.

> Men who can make the Union great again!
Make Adua Great Again! MAGA! MAGA! MAGA!

>>16376767
yea

>>16372235
whoa calm down there buddy, no need to get so mad on an anonymous imageboard

>>16370645
Why does most of this general only read fantasy? Fantasy outside a couple series is straight trash

>>16377179
Because scifi is often weak and lacking many things that make great literature. It is the nature of the beast, it is geared towards people who enjoy science part of sci fi more than fiction part. This board and /sffg/ are more or less classical type of readers and science just doesn't appeal to them that much.

>>16377179
Because Fantasy sells more books than Science Fiction, and this general is full of normies.

>>16377179
That's not true.

what exactly is discworld
found a giant collection while looking for books
should I read them?

>>16377391
Discworld is redditcore

>>16377404
should I read them?

Improved the margins and fixed a typo. If you're going to save or repost the chart, please use this one.

Improved the margins and fixed a typo. If you're going to save or repost the chart, please use this version.

>>16377642
Just awful.

>>16377673
>Just awful, you can't even see out of the damn thing

>>16377179
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Fantasy, is in fact, Sci-fi/Fantasy, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Sci-fi plus Fantasy.

>>16377786
SPECULATIVE FICTION

>>16370645
R Scott Bakker should be much higher

>>16370645
Let me hear your magic system ideas. No matter how cliché or autistic

>>16378068
Modern Magic System:
Getting (You)s in /sffg/ increases your magical power. You can reply to yourself, but if you're called out for doing so, you will lose all of your magic for 24h and are an easy target for others. If you incorrectly call someone else out, you lose your magic for 24h as well.

>>16377940
>taking it seriously
You've failed.

>>16376191
Peace talks
>>16370864
Funny you say that because Im on Brand vs Torak in Belgarath so Polgara is next lol
>>16376832
I dont audiobook, but it wasn't on piratebay last I checked. Maybe you think I mean audiobooks? but I read, not listen

>>16377940
He shouldn't be on there at all.

>>16377404
>Discworld is Reddit
You’ve obviously never read Snuff

>>16378240
Has there ever been a real one then? Or they all just memes :(

>>16378582
This one's "real," but it doesn't mean much. There are books discussed all the time in these threads that aren't included in the list at all

>>16378639
That doesn't mean much either considering one dedicated person can do that, a few at most.

>>16378582
Depends on what you mean by "real".

so, I'm reading the Kyoshi books right now and jesus this shit is edgier than Korra was. There's almost no humor, no real standing pets or team avatar, people are constantly murdering each other onscreen and Kyoshi literally ends up apprenticed to a serial killer.

if it wasn't for the fact that Kyoshi herself is a more compelling character than either Korra or Aang were I would have dropped this shit

>>16377936
based speculative fiction chad
>me when i am rich famous celebrity
>"so anon many people have pointed out that because of the super very interesting mix of elements in your epic best selling story, it's hard to pin it down to a specific genre when pitching it to friends and coworkers. Would you do us this favor and reveal at last whether you consider it sci-fi, or fantasy?
>*ahem*
>*siphons air quite audibly*
>SPECULATIVE FICTION
>everyone applauds
>my smile, most excellent and ever present, is growing

>>16372875
I read all of them, except for the last one that came out last year. Thoroughly enjoyed them, but that tenth book was unexpected, and poorly received, so I haven't bothered with it yet.

>calibre
>no way to reset everything to default
>no preference change fixes this
cool
how the fuck am i supposed to read without manually highlighting fucking everything

>>16379405
white on white? must have been an accident

>>16379405
What file format are you using?

>>16377391
Comedic fantasy series from an author who was actually funny.

>>16379426
nah text is black but I have to highlight it to read it; the very outer border is dark

>>16370645
Hi fantasy bros, is D U N C worth reading or not?

>>16375702
A Bridge of Birds, Hughart..excellent

>>16379405
Calibre is shit, I don't know why people keep recommending it. I already have a beautifully sorted e-book library, stop trying to create a new one and duplicate everything.

Strange and Mr. Norrel was a terrible fuckin slog, who would vote for that?

>>16379561
if you like overrated by the numbers fiction then yes it would be worth it for you, everyone else recognizes that it's only praised by boomers

>>16379570
I only use it for file conversion and rarely to look something up or reread a specific situation but I primarily read on my e-reader. What program?

>>16379586
I also tried to use it solely for conversion. I now use the kindle previewer, its far less bloated.

>>16370645
i finished neuromancer this morning when i couldn't sleep. read it probably 10 years ago but didn't remember that much. enjoyed it but the ending felt a little rushed. they spent half the book on the straylight run but then it suddenly moves very fast once everyone converges at the same spot. feel like 'neuromancer' the character/ai should have been a little more fleshed out too given he's the name of the book, wintermute is pretty much a main character but neuromancer is only brought up in like the last 10% (even if he did do some minor stuff earlier to fuck with case)

is the rest of the sprawl trilogy worth trying out?

>>16379601
Can I download that or do I have to go through Amazon every time?

>>16379607
You can download.

>>16379685
Can I use non-bought books through this since it wants me to link and register my account/Kindle/etc? Or am I overthinking?

wtf bros, this is actually good, not just a fun time killer

>>16379702
I haven't bought an e-book in my life.

>>16378282
Peace talks is on irc, I got it from there

Just got to point in the new abercombie book and one of the side characters literally started spouting it's time to "Make the Union Great Again". lmfao I always knew he was an amusing hack but he's really just given up trying to hide it now.

>>16380167
>nooo you can't bring up real life topics in my fantasy book!

>>16372235
>diamond-dozen
Stopped reading there, just like you stopped reading once school stopped forcing you too.

>>16380322
>too
Stopped reading there, just like you stopped reading once school stopped forcing you two.

>>16380325
>reading
I hope you guys don't do this

>>16380167
>>16380239
That's the best way to horribly date your books.

>>16380325
Imagine trolling from a typo. Halfbrains get so mad anymore. Also good job ending your reading at the end of the post. Maybe there's hope for you yet.

>>16380376
That's not a typo. The error did not occur from typography, it occurred from a lack of education. For reference, 2+2=47 isn't a typographical error either

>>16380389
Sure thing, bud.

>>16379099
>being surprised that spinoffs of a popular franchise are shit

Is there ANY fantasy out there that took notes from Tolkien and didn't just follow the "diet and more accessible LotR" example of Terry Brooks?

>>16380427
>What was Aragorn's tax policy?

>>16380427
You'll have to be more precise, what is in LOTR that you find is missing from the derivatives you've been reading?

>>16380376
>comically retarded
oh anon

>>16380411
It's not bad per se. It's not necessarily good either, but I've seen worse. The thing that keeps me reading is Kyoshi's personal struggle through her avatarhood and Yun's.

I feel that she's a lot like what Korra was intended to be, but more to the point she's Korra done right. Where Korra was a tangle of rebellious teenage impulses, Kyoshi is someone who takes her responsibilities seriously, but is troubled by the fact that however much she wishes she could be the negotiator an avatar is supposed to be, the situation she finds herself in leaves her no choice but to be a sledgehammer. It's something that's painfully relevant to current political situation, and I feel like she has the most realistic and level-headed attitude of any of the other avatars.

Also, that fire avatar who looks like Jaffar gets some coverage in the second book which I did not expect. The dude's the fucking patron saint of bureaucrats

>>16380427
The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson came out before LOTR, but I think it's what you're looking for. Has that mythical and timeless quality like LOTR. I leave it up to you to decide which version to read: the original or the revised.

>>16380569
>revised
why? did he just want to improve his writing?

>>16380707
The revised version is from almost 20 years after the original version and I guess he thought he had become a better writer since then.

https://www.blackgate.com/broken-in-two-poul-andersons-two-versions-of-the-broken-sword/

Here's an indepth comparison between the two versions. Warning though: there's spoilers.

>>16380167
Make Adua Great Again! MAGA! MAGA! MAGA!

Books written for adults that have unicorns in the story?

>>16375161
Shades of Magic and it's just as shit (the series) as you might expect.
>>16379845
Yeah, that shit was fucking good. Too bad I can't get into Tchaikovsky scifi.
>>16379581
It's not that slow (Slowest book for me is Canticle of Leibowitz). Plus, the Gentleman with Thistledown Hair scenes are kino

>>16375161
I would believe given the sheer number of mediaeval fantasy books there must be at least one good one that includes a knightly melee tournament

>>16381785
Ivanhoe?

>>16375161
There arw plenty. You're just a readlet.

>>16381925
>there are plenty
>doesn't even name one
I mean, maybe, but it's a little suspicious that you just say that without any examples.

>>16379606
I like the rest of the trilogy, especially Count Zero.

>>16377179
I try to post about sci-fi and get maybe one reply.
Meanwhile there’s lengthy discussion about YA fantasy trash. Really makes you think

>>16382105
>I try to post about sci-fi and get maybe one reply.
Do you wanna discuss the moon is a harsh mistress?

>literally jewish space-merchant upsets local religion for his own gain
Holy FUCK Anderson, cool it with the antisemitic remarks

Fucking Indians are trying to curry up my private tracker.
Why doesn't India contain their poo in loos within their boundaries?

>>16382187
every story before the 00s was pretty much some form of analogue to jews being bad.

>>16381931
Why should I?
One of the books that is discussed here regularly has a tournament arc. Read more books. I've read over 2k books, I've been someone here who read over 3k. And that absolutely monster Sebastian in outer lit reads hundreds of books a year.

>>16382228
>hey does this exist
>yes
>examples
>no read every book until you find it
You're a jackass.

Whos worst? Sandersonfags or the hardcore Tolkien fans?
Imo its the Tolkien fans, atleast Sandersonfags dont think their fucking author made the genre, or that is the GOAT of fantasy. Sandersonfags are the equivalent of your fat friend, whos favorite meal is a menu from McDonald's, and will always try to lure you to get a cheeseburger with him, even though you know its unhealthy for you.
Tolkienfans on the other hand are that annoying faggot whos dined at one decent restaurant in town and wont stfu and swears on it, while trying to convince you that hes suddenly a fucking connoisseur and knowd everything about fine dining.

>>16379606
Count Zero is pretty good. Mona Lisa Overdrive is the weakest in my opinion. The short stories in Burning Chrome are also great.

Question: I just self-published a novel on Amazon. Putting this here since it's sci-fi, but is it wise to try and shill it here?

>>16382465
Not on this board. This site is filled with too neckbeards whos only high in life is to shit on anything remotely likeable/good from their basement. This is especially true for /lit/ /a/ and /v/.

But hey go for it, if you really wanna. You can properly filltrate the neckbeards from actually critism

>>16382502
Ok. Thanks!

>>16382275
Fuck you too.

>>16382502
>shying away from in-line marketing in the general is bad
What kind of clown thread is this.

>>16382465
This general is supposed to be sharing and discussing works of fiction that the users find to be of peculiar distinction. As the author, can you objectively make that claim? No. Could one of your readers? Yes. Can you pretend to be one of your readers next thread? Probably; the chart in OP demonstrates the massive churn this general sees every year. If you get caught out, you're gonna deserve to be called a faggot, as you yourself already know if your work is worth anything at all
>it isn't because I had to explicate this

>>16382386
You don't know many sandersonfags, do you? They think he is the only worthwhile author. There are a shocking amount of articles online talking about how their life was saved by reading him. They're just as bad.

>>16378517
I don't need to, it's guaranteed to be le epic british monty python humour, hilarious and totally accurate trope subversion and another box to check off on a Nerd Cred(tm) report card.

>>16382980
I, too, hate accepted things because of a variety of reasons, which I will elude to but never define.

>>16383273
allude, not elude

>>16383309
elude THIS

>>16383309
Haha, I was thinking the same thing, even checked the elude definition in case there was some other obscure meaning

>>16382386
Easily Sandersonfags. They read nothing but his books and act like what they read is beyond reproach, and any criticism is just stupid and laughable. They often straight up have rage fits when confronted by critiques, probably because they're so far down on the spectrum. Some Tolkien fanboys can be pretty obnoxious, but at least they have enough taste to appreciate something reasonably well written. At the very least I've never meet any Tolkien fan retarded enough to say his writing changed their life, whereas I've seen plenty of idiotic Sanderson fanboys claim that about his mediocre schlock.

>>16370812
>The lack of dumb shit I'm aware of is also a huge plus.
>sanderson
>corey
>mcclellan
>eames

whats a good edition of lovecrafts work to buy? I want to run call of cthulhu and want some inspiration.

>>16370645
fuck off. the fact that you ignored your own rules and DQ'ed the far-and-away leading vote-getter Throne of Glass makes you King of Faggots.

>>16377642
Nothing can improve this shit chart, and anyone who saves it should jump off the 25th floor.

>>16378282
time to spoon feed the little 60 IQ faggot

https://b-ok.cc/book/5623874/9d06d8

>>16383589
>mcclellan

He's about the only decent one there.

Just finished The Broken Empire (Prince of Thorns) trilogy, and the ending kinda felt hollow/rushed. I really like Jorg and the development he made, but I feel like the ending didn't truly do him justice. Especially how he resolves the whole thing about his Jorgs dad. I think Mark Lawrence cornered himself with this book, which is sad, cause I really wanted it to end on a high.

Almost finished the 31. Chapter of "to green angel tower". Holy shit miramell is an unpleasant cunt.

>>16383957
Yeah, I agree. He said he had plans for it to go on longer, but he decided that it was better to stop before it got out of hand and he lost control of it, even if he didn't like the ending. I personally wish it had kept going with around five to ten years between each following book until he was an old cynical man, with the stories exemplifying how much he matured.

>>16384167
I get that [spoilers] that Jorg had to die [/spoiler] but I felt it was bit too early and a bit too "happy" when he and [spoilers] William turns the wheel. It felt a bit out of characther the way that he did it - not the fact that he did. [/spoilers]
I liked the development Jorg went through though, maturing bit by bit but still being vicious as always, but losing the edgy angry teenager vibe.
I agree with you tho, would be nice to see him as an old man with all his power consolidated.

Also where did you read he regrets the ending? I seems to me he enjoyed it, by the endnote he writes it in the book.

>>16383784
Keep seething, Throne of Glass faggot

>>16370645
This list is absolute dogshit

>>16383784
We need a true chart with Throne of Glass at the top.

>>16384660
>We
Make your own chart

>>16384258
He posts a bunch online, check his twitter and his AMAs, I can't remember precisely where I read it.

>>16384258
Yeah the third book wasn’t that great, killing his father offscreen was a bad choice. But I really loved the ending of the second book, where he just pulls out a gun and kills the other guy in a duel

Are there any good fantasy short story collections? The short story anthology is usually something I see for sci-fi, and I really enjoy the format but would like to see some stabs at making it work for the fantasy genre. I guess that Lovecraft collections sort of fit the bill, but he sort of teeters the edge between the two.

>>16384258
"spoiler" not "spoilers"

>>16384862
Dracula? Not really, but kinda

>>16384862
>>16384258
Or ctrl s

>>16384862
Just search Swords Against ____ and you'll find something.

Hey guys. I think you're my best bet for some good shit. I've recently knocked out GOT and really enjoyed the bits with the sellswords. I like the gritty fighting to win and get paid aspect vs fighting for honor shit. Any thing come to mind? Modern or ancient nonfiction or fiction I don't care

>>16384947
The Last Kingdom was pretty good. People shit on Joe Ambercrombie here for arguably justified reasons but you might like him since gritty sellswords and copious 'fucks' are apparently his entire gimmick.

>>16383589
I'm more into scifi than fantasy.

>>16377786
No. Sci fi is sci fi. Fantasy is fantasy. The black company is not sci fi. Armor is not fantasy

>>16384969
Cheers mate. Gonna have a look

I've begun to read recently and have been managing one book a month. I think that is enough for now.

>>16379606
Count Zero is trash. Only good part of the book is the merc, and pages are split between him, some art lady, and a teen hacker.
But then I found neuromancer to just be average, so maybe you'll like it.

>>16384912
I'll definitely check those out, thanks.

>>16384987
That's a version of the GNU/Linux pasta.

>>16384890
Might as well give it a read since I haven't done it yet. Thanks.

>>16385009
Nah fuck off, the hacker plot is the highlight with all the voodoo shit and the art lady is interesting, the merc part seems generic as fuck in comparison to even the other storylines let alone the deluge of cyberpunk shit from the time

>>16385080
>the merc part seems generic as fuck in comparison to even the other storylines let alone the deluge of cyberpunk shit from the time
I don't read much cyber punk so maybe that's why it didn't bother me. He finished his job and got a happy ending
Art lady part just seemed gay and pointless.
Hacker kid was alright. The voodoo stuff is dumb though. It's just AIs loose on the internet.

>>16385094
I remember liking art lady a lot, even though now to be totally honest I can't remember what the resolution of her part was.
>voodoo stuff was done
I thought it was an interesting concept, although if you didn't like it in Count Zero you really won't in Mona Lisa Overdrive, it comes up just as much if not more in that one, I think. Also, the merc in Overdrive is Molly again, rather than some new guy, so that's probably what held my interest more with that third of the story in that one. That, and the merc in Count Zero is just there to take the macguffin girl from a megacorporation building, rather than slinking around the underworld like Molly does.

>>16385009
I liked the merc in Count Zero as well--the episode where he is running the extraction for the defecting scientist sticks in my memory as well as the contrast when he's visiting his redneck/luddite brother(?). That part reminds me of Terminator 2, where Connor's mom takes him off the grid among the fringe elements--it had a gritty, realistic feel.
Bobby as a newfag was well done. The Virek arc was interesting, too.

Mona Lisa Overdrive though doesn't really stand out to me much. I like Gibson but he really just kept rehashing the same ideas with different window dressing. That's probably why I like Neuromancer so much more than the other two.

>>16384998
Over the course of a month or what?

>>16385262
I read a bit every day and I get one book finished per month. I started in the beginning of the year and I have 8 done and half of another co complete for now.

>>16385567
>>16385567
Good job. You will increase and get better with time.

>>16385741
thanks mate.

Lyrical prose, emotional books like Guy Gavriel Kay, but not Guy Garviel Kay. Recommend

>>16385782
Eh, I don't know about lyrical but John Crowley has very great prose. Check Little, Big, or Engine Summer (which has a more conventional style) and reads almost like a Gene Wolfe novel.

>>16385852
Had Crowley on my list for some time. Will go with Little, big , then. Thanks

>>16385782
Susanna Clarke, Tanith Lee, Borges, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Clarke Ashton Smith, Gene Wolfe, George MacDonald, Patricia McKillip

>>16374582
I can't be the only one who thought it was terrible, right? It felt like it tried to play RPG tropes straight, and the whole thing felt goofy to me. Like it was trying too hard to make an mmorpg guild a thing. I put it down about a quarter through, life's too short, yknow?

>>16385567
So what, 15 mins per day or something?

>>16384862
Lord Dunsany, after his period of doing pure faux mythology, but before going into pure bar stories, is pretty good. I particularly like his story "Idle Days on the Yann". I don't remember the names of the collections.

>>16372604
>Roadside Picnic
>Childhood's End
yup, thinking it's based

What do people think of Terry Goodkind's oeuvre?

>>16380167
OK I guess I don't need to waste my time with Abercrombie then. This makes things easier for me.

>>16386182
Solid up to the original end of the Sword of Truth, then it starts to get stale. Unironically contains one of the best live stories I've read in a series. The magic system gets a little up it's own ass towards the end of the original series though.

>>16385960
Kings of the Wyld first lost me with the retarded gay wizard, up to that point it was just like any other generic fantasy novel. And then it lost me completely with the Portal 'the cake is a lie' reference. Along with Prince of Thorns, it's probably one the worst recs I got from this place.

>>16386295
If you treat /sffg/ as a monolith or as someone with your taste, you're going to be in for a bad time.

>>16386039
15s per day

>>16386295
I found it pretty cringe, yeah. I was craving a good classic 'party of adventurers go out to kick ass' story and was sorely disappointed with how cringe the writing was. I wanted tabletop turned into a novel and got something that was a little too close to that, because rather than it being a bunch of cool guys and a badass DM it was one redditor who posts on the DnD boards a lot but never plays the game. Faggot wizard and references were bad enough, but immortal bunny-ear not-elves was where I really noped the fuck out.

The second novel is a little better, but not by much. I nearly put it down right at the start when the teen girl MC is revealed to be a lesbian in literally the first chapter. It gets worse from there, literally every main character has a horrible father and a perfect mother who is dead/absentee but still a better person.

Wyld definitely feels like the most manufactured success of the past few decades. Say what you want about Sanderson or Ambercumbie, but at least they kind of have their own thing going on. This was absolute dreck.

In honour of Terry Goodkind dying lets us look back fondly on how him dying couldn't have happened to a worse writer or person.

http://sandstormreviews.blogspot.com/2006/08/goodkind-parodies.html

He really was an asshole.

>>16386446
Wait when did he croak? I missed that shit. I'm glad he's dead, rest in piss. Nothing pisses me off more than a fantasy author writing objective trash but treating it like it's high art.

>>16370645
/sffg/ - Speculative Fiction Fans General

>>16386462
Today. Its pretty funny to see that nobody gives a shit.

Even the thread on reddit only has 30 replies.

>>16370769
Bridge of Birds.Will Wights Cradle series. Nero Wolfe.

>>16386484
That's great, just like he fucking deserves. Live your life ripping off your betters and shitting on the medium that gave you any success in the first place. Now he dies in obscurity, a hilarious footnote in the history of the genre he mocked, delightful.

>>16386504
Except that isn't how it is. Nice hatefic though.

>>16386548
Whatever you say pal. Enjoy your 80 page BDSM wank scenes.

>>16386617
Sales profit is the only objective indicator of quality.

Can I stop reading at the second Dune book? I heard from someone that it basically finishes the story of the first book.

>>16386937
Yup, and I would recommend it. Book 3 is about Alia being a dictator and Paul's kids trying to overthrow her. Book 4 is set thousands of years later. They're also longer books.

I just bought the first books for black company and wheel of time I better not have gotten memed I swear to god

>16386983
kek

>>16386983
>buying books you don't know the quality of
Why?

>>16373836
The chapter where the king makes everything in Elfland start dancing felt like some kind of literary shitpost.

>>16386617
That's a small part of one book out of like 13 books. Stop being scared of sex.

we ready for battleground? i just finished peace talks, because i didnt want to start it too early, i just stayed away to avoid spoilers. kinda of dissapointed it ended how it did, seems like he wanted it to be just 1 book, but the publisher decided to make it 2 and just cut it in half.

also, im getting sick of murphy, i wouldnt care if she gets off'd

>>16387237
You're dead Terry stop posting

>>16387484
Except for fearies all female characters are dumb, I was so happy when susan died, I hope elaine and murphy die next.

>>16386937
>>16386955
>stop reading Dune before God-Emperor

You must be a special kind of twat

>>16387799
>yeah bro just read another 400k words of garbage about a giant immortal worm man replacing men with women because they're better

>>16387799
>lol i made my subjects fight each other cause one day i wont be here so they need to be able to survie
>whats that? just tell them and teach them? no im sure them killing billions of each other is better, anyways gotta go give birth to this fish now, see ya later lol

>>16387806
>>16387813
I guess the point of the book flew over your tiny little mongoloid brains like a Boeing

Why aren't you reading Worth the Candle yet, /sffg/? It's a rational self-insert litrpg isekai webnovel by Alexander Wales, and it's the best piece of writing I have read in years. Currently at 1,357,293 words, it's over THIRTEEN NOVELS' worth of free content, and still ongoing!

https://archiveofourown.org/works/11478249/chapters/25740126
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/25137/worth-the-candle

>It's a self-insert litRPG portal fantasy, loosely based on my personal experience of falling into a portal to another world and discovering that I had a character sheet attached to my soul. This story uses some custom CSS for the character sheet and definition tags to allow mouseover on various game terms, so mobile and touchscreen users, you're missing out.
>Update schedule is, as always, whenever I feel like it. Special thanks to the people of /r/rational for helping me think about ideas.

The setup is that Juniper "Joon" Smith, an ordinary suicidal rationalist teenager who has been on a self-destructive downwards spiral ever since the tragic death of his best friend Arthur, suddenly finds himself transported from English class to the magical land of Aerb and given RPG abilities along with a quest system and achievements. Specifically, he finds himself dropped into the Risen Lands, an abandoned hellzone filled with undead used by the government as a trail by ordeal. There, he meets the most beautiful woman in the world, Princess Amaryllis Penndraig, who has been falsely accused of a crime by her power-hungry family in a bid to claim her substantial assets. Now, the two of them must team up to escape the Risen Lands alive while unraveling the hints that Amaryllis's great ancestor, Uther Penndraig, may be someone Juniper knew in his past life.

And that's just the tutorial!

>>16387843
Are you so desperate that you're peddling your chinkshit here Alexander?

>>16387806
You seem to be very triggered anon

Anybody ever tried the Kindle refund/deDRM trick? It would be nice to get Michael Andre-Driussi's guide for BotNS but I cancelled all my credit cards and shit.

>>16387843
>litrpg
thats why no one is reading it

>>16387868
>would rather commit fraud then pirate a book
ok dummy

>>16387879
How am I supposed to pirate a book that nobody has uploaded to the Internet?
>fraud
Chicken.

>>16387868
amazon doesn't have drm on its books, buy the book, download it onto your computer then just ask for refund

>>16387897
Yes, they do have DRM.

>>16387893
There are a lot of other ways. Do you really think people just buy everything? No, a lot of it is borrowing from online libraries and similar ways.

Let the general rest.

>>16387843

What really sets this story apart is the intelligence of the characters, the plot or the setting.

There are no idiot balls, failures to communicate, or any other form of artificial conflict; Joon and Mary act exactly the way you would expect smart, rational, mature adults who are trying to survive and achieve their goals to act. Their every move, from which quest to tackle next to how to optimize Juniper's build to whether to trust this or that stranger is discussed and analyzed in excruciating detail as the life-or-death choices they are. Personal and romantic issues are brought into the open and worked-on rather than allowed to fester for umpteenth installments as they would be in a typical anime. Juniper is incredibly well-read and a veteran Dungeon Master with a ton of experience in worldbuilding, while Amaryllis is a workaholic with a gift for diplomacy and management. Both of their skillsets get a lot of use in the story.

Aerb is an extremely detailed and coherent setting. Everything from the mechanics of travel on a hexagonal grid to the logistics of bulk-teleportation to the economics of magic items has been accounted for and integrated into the story. More than once, these details turn out to be the key to solving this or that puzzle.

The plot is hard to explain without spoiling anything, but rest assured that there IS a rational explanation for everything, up to an including why a random Kansas teenager was transported to a fantasy realm and gifted with magical powers.

Overall, if you are the kind of person who likes Greg Egan or (early) Larry Niven, you will not be disappointed with this story.

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>>16387930
>>16387930
>>16387930
>>16387930

>>16387911
no they don't, I have bought a number of kindle books and not a single one had any sort of drm

>>16387915
What the hell are you talking about? The chapter guide is on Amazon. Maybe some other small e-shop.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07YMM1NQD/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=
I don't have a credit card. I can't buy it and refund it. I can't borrow it from some library because it's not in libraries.