/lit/ - Literature

>>16469363
I don't know who evola is, does his metaphysics extend to any subject outside fart sniffery?

>>16469363
Evola was actually unironically refuted by Guenon though

>ugh why did those blasted slaves not wanna be slaves
>grr just make me anger

>>16469363
technically Christianity overcame pagan weakness. It seems like they moved up a rung and had masculinized charity

>>16469363
based

>>16469410
In hell.

>>16469393
How and where? Genuinely interested.

>>16469363
It's very easy to take Evola out of context, because he does not play favourites in regards to religion.
For example, later in Revolt Against the Modern World he praises both Christianity and Islam during the Crusades as the closest embodiment of Tradition (as he defines it), during that period.
He believed that Christianity at the time of the Romans was used in its most telluric aspect of martyrs and their eschatological obsession with end-times and the afterlife, detracting from the function of the state religion that was legitimised through the emperors and not a clergy like Christianity came to be.
In so far as Christianity is a uniting force for nations, it its Traditional, like during the Crusades, but when it is used as a separate power structure aside from the emperor like it was in the West contrary to the Eastern empire etc, leading to the ultimate authority of the Pope, which is a corruption of the caste system (as he has interpreted it through other cultures).

Don't just quote one passage, he literally does an analysis throughout human history and you want to play "gotchas".

>>16469421
He wasn't. Evola knew and learned much from Guenon, they basically say the same thing, except one says "be ready to act like the great western men before you", and is not a pussy (Evola), and the other says "just contemplate bro", and hid in a little muslim commune for the rest of his life (Guenon).
So the cowardly frenchman is spammed here while Evola is slandered and misinterpreted by the the people that get scared of rocking the boat.

>>16469422
>(as he has interpreted it through other cultures).
i.e. hilariously incorrectly

>>16469427
All cultures have had warrior-kings at their formation, to pretend that the effeminate priests who use pilpul and subterfuge to get their way have always been in charge is to ignore the rise and (usual subsequent fall) as they occured.

Has this guy ever said anything that Nietzsche didn't say better. Even the title of his book "ride the tiger" is taken from Nietzsche.

>>16469425
>be a western man because they're great
Wth kinda foundational implications does that have?

>>16469441
>a book that is at least 1/3 about Nietzsche uses a title from Nietzsche

No shit.

>>16469434
>Why yes, I am indeed unfamiliar with the Vedas, how could you tell?
>no no but the HISTORIANS tell me that le kings ruled
>b-but the Buddha was a kshatriya
>no I don't understand that we are living in the tail end of a manvatara
okay then

>>16469444
Read the book and find out, why is it okay to want to be spoonfed about the "rightwing" but any fucker even mentioning socialism has "read marx" crammed down his throat.

READ EVOLA.

>>16469451
Oh yeah some random anon knows more about eastern religion than a man who spent most of his life studying it.

Fuck off, I'm so sick of these ideologically entrenched threads where people just shit on someone they've never even read.


READ EVOLA

FUCKING COWARDS

>>16469459
I don't have to, his metaphysics, if it's worth a damned at all, isn't universal enough to be applied to math or any other subject besides the free jerk off of politics. If it's not even universally applicable it is definitionally wrong

>>16469464
But Evola was actually literally btfo on this point multiple times by people who had authentically been initiated in Eastern traditions, anon.

>>16469471
>>16469473
CAPITAL LETTERS

>>16469363
Literally no one cares about Evola except total idiots, he was a ridiculous larping loon. Embarrassing.

>>16469408
>charity
by destroying everything with hammers and killing whoever wasn't a christian?

>>16469477
They exist anon, hopefully they aren't bullying you. Go see a shrink.

>>16469488
They got rid of gladiators and prostitutes and were tortured themselves.

>OP makes a shitty point
>counter it with what I've actually read
>idiots show up who are actually smug in the fact they haven't read a thing of his

Every Evola thead. As if it wasn't completely obvious in other threads that this board is constantly subverted by seething Marxists.

It's not like I even made an Evola thread and forced the discussion. I'm just calling out the intentional attempt at division.

>>16469483
>oh no some anon might think I'm a loon, better not read Evola
This is telling of your oversocialisation

>>16469497
and once they got in power they began killing. that's christian "love".

>>16469508
>dee Marxists please hewp
If you view his philosophy as simply politics then stop shilling him as anything deeper than Dave Rubin

>>16469511
aww you poor baby, this group hurt my feelings because they weren't perfect. Let's go back to human sacrifice and gladiators and sacrificial orgies

>>16469508
The Brahmin are born of Manu's head and the Kshatriya of his arms, anon. Simple as that, no marxism here.

>>16469516
Don't act like human sacrifice isn't happening nowadays

>>16469524
>ohh human sacrifice is happening today because Christians, especially those no good ones that banned gladiator fights 2000 years ago

>>16469513
No, while Evola does address politics at times, my point wasn't that, my point was that Marxists literal seethe at him because of his anti-materialism.
There is no reason why these kind of shit threads get posted otherwise, if it wasn't some commie retard intentionally trying to sow division.

Love it when philosophers tell on themselves.

Nietzsche hated women because 4 of them said no to his proposals because he was an ugly little weirdo.

This guy values strength over everything but looks like a sickly nerdling i wedgied at school.

>>16469536
>commit massive genocide
>that's okay guys we banned gladiators
can't you find another argument?

>>16469541
I'm an anti materialist. Apparently he wasn't enough to see past the issue of praising physical beings. His ideal aristocracy, if thought past politics for one second, would have him denying western man as a good example of highest truth.

>>16469547
When did Christians commit massive genocide? By sending missionaries everywhere so they can give them a written language?

>>16469510
Have fun looking back in embarrassment at this part of your life in the future. Go do some old egyptian spell in your basement you old hag.

>>16469557
stop gaslighting, it wasn't charity. They just wanted to colonize territories, it was political

>>16469557
>sending missionaries everywhere so they can give them a written language?
Don't kid yourself christcuck.

>>16469562
oh I'm gaslighting you anon, better watch out here comes a rebuttal to your cringe ptsd
Yes people accepted Christianity because it was politically expedient to have your family tortured

>>16469566
What is the Vietnamese language? What is Cyrillic? What is a lot of African languages? That's even a just one thing missionaries did as if going into a pagan community to spread God by yourself is the most murderous and safest thing to do.

>>16469567
yes, tortured by christians. Don't forget about the Cathars

>>16469576
The cathars? You're now concerned for Christian well being? People make mistakes. While it's not a matter of becoming a better person it's certainly a matter of being, a completely alien concept to pagans, that's not an argument to go back to torture based on your whims.

>>16469576
Yeah that was terrible. Times were much better when the romans ruled, right? No massacres and killing for fun then.

>>16469585
the Cathars were a christian sect that were literally genocided by the catholic church. but you will call it missionary work

>>16469557
>give them a written language
You mean burn almost all of their writings?

>>16469595
I'm not even Catholic you poor baby. I don't agree with almost any church doctrinally.
If this is some jerk off then I can present many many many atrocities by pagans and atheists. I still won't use events as an indictment of ideology because then I'd have to indict everything related to any atrocity. You're a consequentualist, but more probably, just some faggot with unresolved Christian issues. Which is fine, resolve it, but stop whining like a bitch and blaming everything on it. That's not healthy either and it's certainly not an indictment of their ideology. And I do mean their, I'm not catholic

>>16469608
no i mean explained who gave you a pair of eyes so you can read >>16469575

>Christianity is slave morality, the doctrine of the weak
>Waaaah Christians are so evil, they got rid of all my based pagan semen drinkers :'(
Pathetic

>>16469575
>What is the Vietnamese language?
A language that used to be written with Chinese characters.

>>16469628
Ahahaha exactly

>>16469633
And?

>>16469614
mental gymnastics

>>16469637
And?

>>16469363
>believes humanity came from the North Pole
Opinion discarded.

>>16469661
>he's a santa-denier
reddit's thataway chum

>>16469661
>It's real

Lmao

>>16469642
and a missionary was sent to write a language for them which is still in use today

>>16469688
>write a language

>>16469363
Lmao imagine reading and pretending a 3rd rate talentless R. E. Howard copycat limbless hack is anything but the height of pretentious mental masturbation.

>>16469672
>>16469683
He also believed that apes are de-evolved humans.

>>16469697
Anon pretty obviously meant "develop a script for their language."

>>16469408
>appear several centuries after the culture had already existed and was beginning to age and fade out on its own
>appear as the byproduct of this aging
>pretend to have "overcome" it
Christians are the most delusional scum of the earth.

>>16469544
>Nietzsche hated women
Source?

>>16469544
>4 of them said no
I thought it was one that said no several times, and after his friend had already tried and was told she preferred to have her holes filled without making it official, which he happily agreed to.

>>16469780
And?

>>16469802
Lol wat a cuck

>>16469785
>this is wat happens when u take the redpill

>>16469805
Pathetic.

>>16469785
No that would be Evola ;)

>>16469825
That's a good one, add it to the chart

>>16469628
>the catholic church is a giant conspiracy to run an global institutionalized boyfucking ring because paganism was too homophobic and antisemitic for such an endeavor
>take THAT pagans :^)
Yeah, you sure showed them bro.

>>16469780
Well, then anon was wrong, because the Vietnamese had writing well before the French colonization of Vietnam. The French forced the Latin alphabet on the Vietnamese, but there was no standardization (Vietnamese is tonal), so the language was a huge clusterfuck and intellectual activity in Vietnamese had to be used to done in the modified Hanzi or in French because the latin alphabet was literally unusable. The Jesuits couldn't even decide which characters made which sounds, to say nothing of their mishandling of tonality. With increasing independence from France, Vietnam shifted back to logograms. It was actually the Communist revolution that resulted in Chu Quoc (a modification of the Latin Alphabet, with standardized diacritics to denote tones). This was done out of an attempt at cultural separation from China, not under Western influence (the men who did the work on this new alphabet were staunch Buddhists and, ironically, animistic pagans).

>>16469425
>scared of rocking the boat
What does this even mean? LARPing as a fascist? Are you American? You sound like one. Is it really "rocking the boat" to be a fascist in a country ruled by would-be fascists? Or are you conquering the mean girls on Twitter by not using pronouns?

>>16469840
>Paganism was homophobic
Uhh

>>16469850
Yes, that is the argument that Jewish author David F. Greenberg makes in his book "The Construction of Homosexuality". I assumed that you had read it, as you were citing his unsourced proposition that Odin drank the semen of dead men in order to shapeshift ergo Clovis converted to Christianity as doing so would allow him to engage in sodomy with little boys, whereas Germanic Polytheism would not.

>>16469840
You claimed Christians were murderers. I said missionaries developed a script for many cultures. This is true. Your tiny balls and inability to respond to me is what makes you pathetic. There were issues with using hanzi script too. Although they're both tonal and analytic they have enough differences to where it wasn't perfectly adaptable. I'm not saying latin is good either but your pussy conceptualization that a bunch of celibate priests who gave their lives to go to random countries to give them a language is pathetic and you need to go see a shrink.

>>16469451
>>16469473
You're wrong, as is the anon you are talking to. Both Evola and Guenon were in agreement that the sacred lord comes first in the hierarchy - the disagreement on priestly vs warrior spirituality was in the context of the present state in the Western world, not on the purely theoretical plane.
>>16469471
>"I don't have to know what Evola thought, because he's wrong."
Thanks for the contribution, retard, have a nice life.
>>16469541
Lots of pagang retards out there who don't read Evola and just look at quote pics of various right wing thinkers online.
>>16469544
Yet both of them were infinitely greater, more active, popular and fulfilled than your worm-like existence ever will be, dear reddit space anon.
>>16469595
Evola thought the anti-Cathar crusades were a good thing because the Cathars were subversive degenerates. It's important to keep that in mind.
>>16469628
>implying that the application of brute force and extreme violence makes you "strong"
This is precisely the conceptualisation that pagans attack, albeit poorly. The Classical hero is not a vicious brute, he is a honourable warrior who stands his own and asks for no sympathy. This view is antithetical to both slave morality and the brutal, frenzied mob violence that comes with it.
>>16469661
You are literally zero IQ.
>>16469700
>t. some hopeless fucking retard, probably
>>16469777
Do you have a source on that anon? I have an inkling that's not at all what he referred to with the idea of involution.
>>16469846
>Is it really "rocking the boat" to be a fascist in a country ruled by would-be fascists?
Given that his views provoked the hatred of many powerful men like Starace, yes. Not that I expect you to know that. Or that he stuck by his views long after the fascists were toppled and the democratic kangaroo courts popped up.

>>16469363
go get em, OP!

>>16469883
>I don't have to know because he's not universally applicable.
People will know plato because you can derive ontology from his philosophy. People will forget Evola because he's a political hack

>>16469881
That was my first post in the thread. I have no idea what you're arguing about, and don't really care. Anon's argument that the Vietnamese were oogabooga cavemen before a bunch of Conversos came along and gave them microwaves, milkshakes, and the Minions movie is wrong, the Vietnamese had writing prior to Western contact and the Vietnamese alphabet is not the result of the Catholic Church bestowing some boon upon them.

>>16469888
It's funny you say that, because Evola's primary subject of interest was precisely metaphysics and ontology. His political project can be meaningfully interpreted only through that lens. Of course, you wouldn't know, because by your own admission you don't think you have to read or engage with a thinker in order to declare them wrong. It's an invincible strategy. It's also funny that your initial example denounces Evola specifically for its "inapplicability to math", when Ride the Tiger has a whole section devoted to analysing modern mathematics through a metaphysical perspective. You're a hopeless hylic, anon. I just wish you would stop wasting the time of better man than you, who could be reading Evola (something you can't do), rather than having to read your stupid bullshit.

>>16469896
nobody said that. You're making up shit cause you're wrong.

>>16469907
>western man is height of aristocracy
>a complete metaphysics
Oh boy

>>16469863
My point is that Christianity took a hold in Rome, where homosexuality was a part of their culture. The Judaism and Christianity of that time were more homophobic than Roman culture under Roman paganism, so it doesn't make sense to say that paganism was more homophobic.

This is just Nietzsche for people who don't read, i.e. /pol/ tourists

>>16469913
Yes, that was exactly what is claimed in >>16469575.

>>16469914
That's not what David F. Greenberg suggests. If you're NOT doing the "Odin drank cum so he could shapeshift" then, then sure, yeah, Roman culture had degenerated and was no longer adhering to its native religion that forbade such practices, akin to how the Spartans and Germanics both held homosexuality as abominable and punishable. Indeed, the only European polytheists that didn't hold to this were the Ionians in Greece, who did actually hold to this, they just hit a "decadent mercantile" period centuries before anyone else.

So yeah, Christianity and Judaism were far more homophobic than the degenerated forms of Roman polytheism, but that's like saying that Islam is more homophobic than wishy-washy low-church Biblethumping, where the pastor sucking dick is okay because Jesus was a brown refugee: it's a degenerated form of the religion that is not indicative of the religion's actual beliefs and values.

>>16469896
>anons argument
Stfu faggot you know you're talking, you're a God damned bitch and you're wrong. Run from the thread if you're scared

>>16469933
Alright, no point in arguing with you.

>>16469933
hey bitch, read it. Hey bitch, where does it say it's infallibly good. Thats what missionaries did. You are a biased hoe and you want to pretend it's extremes because you're a stupid anti theist bitch with no good arguments about anything.

>>16469938
Did you just have a stroke?

>>16469913
See, because you don't read the things you discuss, all you can do now that I have decisively exposed you for the retard that you are, is mouth off shallow, lukewarm one liners. Do you really think that all of Evola's thought boils down to "western man good, eastern man bad"? If you could read - which you can not - you would be surprised. In fact, Evola ruthlessly criticises the developments that have taken place in the modern West and not infrequently claims that a "higher Hindu or a genuine Arab" would be superior to "western people", if by "western people" we understand the products of liberal democratic capitalism.
>"b-b-but how can a thinker who puts so much emphasis on race and retains self-confidence in his own race make such a judgement?"
That's because Evola's conception of race is not purely biological, so any "westerner" that falls short of the spiritual ideal of the West is also considered racially degenerate. You wouldn't know that though, because you don't read or want to understand things that you interact with. You're content with a dumb, unthinking, judgemental state - a genuine creature of darkness as described by the Bhagavad Gita or any of the many other respectable traditional teachings. The light of divinely inspired intellect has long been extinguished in you, if it was ever present at all. A truly dreadful fate.

>>16469950
I just beat your atheist ptsd ass in an argument and you ran off batching to another anon while quoting what I said and misreading it. It takes a lot of balls to be retarded

>>16469953
oh it's not biological? So the ideal man is western by not biology? I'm curious how you don't get laughed out of that one.
The ideal food is the fry I had yesterday with a perfect sprinkling of salt. I explain numbers by means of that fry which I hope can be deigned on mathematicians to develop a math system from it. It is trash. Garbage.

>>16469963
>oh it's not biological? So the ideal man is western by not biology? I'm curious how you don't get laughed out of that one.
You could find out by reading, but you won't, because you're neither curious nor capable of experiencing curiosity at all. I refer to what I said about your nature earlier.
>The ideal food is the fry I had yesterday with a perfect sprinkling of salt. I explain numbers by means of that fry which I hope can be deigned on mathematicians to develop a math system from it. It is trash. Garbage.
There you go again with your vapid and idiotic assumptions, thinking that some sort of ethnic chauvinism is Evola's point of departure. Evola's perspective is rooted in Guenon's work on Traditionalism - an analysis of spirituality as it is understood by the various civilisations of the world. Every conclusion is drawn from these premises, not from an axiomatic "western man good, eastern man bad". I am spoonfeeding you directly, when will you learn?

>>16469990
I get curious when I read mathematical logic applied to plato.
An analysis of good from cultural spiritual viewpoints. Whenever I need to solve a math problem I poll different cultures to see if 1 + 1 = 2.
He chucked his philosophy to man. Point proven.

>>16469422
this - Evola's position is very nuanced pertaining to Christianity and varies widely through his literature. The quote above is from a text he explicitly rejects (Pagan Imperialism) in his essay Against the Neopagans, on the basis that its was too unexamined. Evola praises Christianity, specifically Catholicism in Revolt many times, but hes even more cordial to it in his Ghibellinism essay, as well as in Men Among the Ruins because he finally expounds on his intellectual debt to Catholic thinkers like Joseph De Maistre, Giambattista Vico and St. Thomas Aquinas. Not to mention the mystics.
In The Doctrine of Awakening, he also sees the same spiritual as mystic health in the best of Buddhism in the mystical theology of Meister Eckhart and Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite.
From his Mask and Face;
>"Today with difficulty, if not exceptionally in some close to dangerous existential crises, the potentiality of Christianity at its beginnings as that “tragic doctrine of salvation” can be re-actualized. The problem is not set and we even say without reticence that if anyone who has known, for some time, nothing other than the vainest constructions of philosophy and the secular plebeian university culture of today or the contaminations of the various contemporary individualisms, aestheticisms, and romanticisms, would “convert” to Catholicism and would experience truly the faith at least, with a total commitment and possibly in a “sacrificial” sense, that would signify not an abdication but rather, in spite of everything, a progress."
He truly did see Catholicism as one of the few last remaining recourses to Tradition available to Western Man.

>>16469883
>Do you have a source on that anon? I have an inkling that's not at all what he referred to with the idea of involution.
Eros and the Mysteries of Love. The Evolutionary Prejudice. He says:
>Our premises are totally different. Our starting point will be not the modern theory of evolution but the traditional doctrine of involution. We do not believe that man is derived from the ape by evolution. We believe that ape is derived from the man by involution.
He uses this theory as a springboard for his assertion that blacks are the degenerate offspring of the first people to leave the North Pole (a belief he pilfered from the Theosophists).
Zero IQ? You haven't even read a word of your idol. You don't know what he believes. Kindly fuck off.

>>16469368
fpbp

>>16469363
>Thou hast conquered, O pale Galilean.

Julian the Apostate admitted this with his dying breath. Did Evola?

>>16470001
>He chucked his philosophy to man.
Turbo-retard mode: achieved. Do you even know what metaphysics is? Do you even know what subject matter Evola deals with? Traditionalism isn't comparative religion you fucking moron, it's got nothing to do with quantitative analysis lmao.
>>16470002
>in spite of everything
>>16470003
I just checked the chapter and it is difficult to tell if this point was made literally, metaphorically or symbolically. The chapter itself is dedicated to outlining a perspective on human sexuality that does not derive from the application of animal impulses to man, but rather claims the relationship there is reversed. This should be kept in mind when considering the passage. Other possible meanings should also not be disregarded.
As to the North Pole, first of all if you are referring to the Hyperborean myth, there is no necessary literal correspondence between the North Pole and Hyperborea - the North Pole is often used as a symbol. Secondly, it is the Theosophists who have seen to use an already extant symbology that is by no means their sole property, so no, Evola did not "pilfer" anything from that degenerate tendency against which he wrote many polemics. Thirdly, to my knowledge he does not expound his views on the history of the physical human species anywhere. In its spiritual aspect, he is known to use narratives of degeneration, since there at least a common origin of all human beings is acknowledged in the universal spirit from which everything stems.
>Zero IQ? You haven't even read a word of your idol. You don't know what he believes. Kindly fuck off.
On the contrary, I have read more on this topic than 99% of the people out there, but I nevertheless retract my remark. It takes at least two digit IQ to actually go to the source and fetch decontextualised bits of writing to use in arguments. The other anon I responded to above can not brag of anything close to that much.

>>16470082
>metaphysics isn't concerned with applicability of numbers or of something in the universe
Yikes

>>16470066
Yes retard, his life's work is based around fixing that fuck show lmao

>>16469425
I thought Guenon and Evola were kindred spirits; why are Guenonfags and Evolafags trying to stir this animosity between themselves?

>>16470085
This might come as an utter shock to you, anon, since you don't read, but metaphysics is not mathematics. Its domain extends far, far, far beyond mathematics. Still, it's impressive how you manage to misunderstand so much of what I say in plain English and then to parrot the same shit over and over without any apparent concern for intelligent response. Why don't you go and read what he has to say about modern science and mathematics in Ride the Tiger if you're so big on math? Then maybe you can go into Guenon, who wrote more extensively about Tradition and mathematics. Oh, right - reading is too hard for you, right? Well then, too bad.

>>16470095
Because to the zoombrain, wisdom is borne by e-celebs, so naturally everyone who has anything wise to say must be treated as an e-celeb. Evola and Guenon may have been good friends in life and corresponded with each other regularly, but why should the fanboys care? It's not like they read, anyway.

>>16469840
Who are you quoting?

>>16470082
It must be nice being able to write off every stupid thing your hero says as "muh metaphor."

>>16469363
Wasnt the east Roman empire super religious and lasted for over s thousand years.

>>16469363
Yeah, it's obvious to everyone that "the West" has peaked with the Roman Empire and it's been a steep decline ever since forget all the innovations and development that occurred during the Age of discovery and Enlightenment.

>>16470131
It isn't, actually, it makes things really difficult sometimes. Thankfully, with lots of reading and some thinking, it's not too hard to figure out the meaning of things.

>>16470156
>"the more thing grug make the better grug become, it's true! grug make thing, grug powerful!"

>>16470100
His dionysian apollonianism is a dualistic becoming of math? I'm 100% certain he has no theory of math and if your metaphysics has no math implications then it's a huge hole

>>16470156
>innovations and development
reddit words, you lose
>>16470203
you're BASED much like me

>>16469363
mmmmm yes munch on evola's traditional dick

>>16470203
So this is the power of a traditionalist...

>>16470188
>It isn't, actually, it makes things really difficult sometimes.
Yeah, I guess you're right. It takes a great deal of effort and creativity to explain away stupidity. Here, let me interpret your posts for you:
>I don't actually respect Evola. Actually, I'm not writing about Evola at all. This is all a big metaphor to explain the fact that I'm a tranny and I forgot to dilate this morning. Uh oh, is that stool leaking out of my mangina?
See, with lots of reading and some thing, I, too, was able to figure out the meaning of your posts.

>>16470210
>His dionysian apollonianism is a dualistic becoming of math?
"Dionysian apollonianism" is simply a guide to devising an impromptu methodology for living a Traditional life, it is derived from his metaphysics but it is not the source of his metaphysics. You have confused cause and effect. Once again, for a metaphysical criticism of contemporary mathematics, read his chapter on modern science. Then you can go into Guenon if you are that eager to learn about the Traditionalist perspective on the question.
>>16470244
>"Oh, you think this concept is complex? Ackshually, it's easy to understand and wrong - I know this because it's easy to dismiss things."
I am not going to force you to like Evola, anon. I simply try to shine a light on what is useful and beneficial for people today. If you want to ignore it, you are free to do so. Others won't.

>>16470216
No anon, YOU are BASED, much like me.
>>16470222
Cower in terror, m*dernist.

>>16469451
Fuck modern Hinduism or anything that came after the great empires of india. It pandered to the priests who tripped on power and increased suffering instead of reducing it and educating the masses about moksha. Also fuck mozzlems

>>16470339
>"Oh, you think this concept is complex? Ackshually, it's easy to understand and wrong - I know this because it's easy to dismiss things."
I gave you Evola's exact words, anon. You didn't like what they said, because they were silly, and so you substituted your own meaning. I get what you're attempting - you're trying to interpret the text through an esoteric lens - but in doing so you undermine two central pillars of his worldview: first, that mankind came from a central location (which he clearly places at the North Pole; this isn't some randomly chosen spot; the geographic implications have a serious impact on his worldview), and second, that nature has regressed from a state of order to a state of degeneration (the Negro, therefore, has degenerated further than the European from the first people, and the chimpanzee has degenerated even further than the Negro - this isn't some metaphor, this is simultaneously an anthropological, scientific, cosmological, and metaphysical statement about reality). If you have to explain away these two theories as metaphors or allegories or whatever, you're replacing his theories with your own. You're not actually discussing Evola's work at all; you've just dressed up your own ideas in his words.

>>16470002
and then Vatican II happened and your delusions about Catholicism were wiped away

>>16470339
yeah I think ill read Traditionalist right alongside Objectivist crap because if I'm looking for badly titled philosophies those are my go-to.
A criticism isn't an exposition of your own and if it mentions one God damned human, let's not kid ourselves he only talks about humans, then it is not a metaphysical proposition. You can prove me wrong but I doubt I'm wrong. If I'm not just accept he's not a broad enough thinker and is simply concerned political.

>>16470445
>I gave you Evola's exact words, anon. You didn't like what they said, because they were silly, and so you substituted your own meaning. I get what you're attempting - you're trying to interpret the text through an esoteric lens - but in doing so you undermine two central pillars of his worldview: first, that mankind came from a central location (which he clearly places at the North Pole; this isn't some randomly chosen spot; the geographic implications have a serious impact on his worldview),
Evola doesn't believe in "mankind", he constantly criticises the humanist tendencies to flatten all distinctions between individuals into a homogeneous "humanity".
>and second, that nature has regressed from a state of order to a state of degeneration
To assume that Evola is specifically referring to nature in the materialist-biological sense of the word is already difficult. Your could well be correct, but it is by no means the only possible interpretation for those familiar with Evola's body of work. From your perspective, you see one statement and think it ridiculous that it could be interpreted in any other way. I see it in context of Evola's whole work and it seems to me difficult to interpret it in any other way but one congruent with the rest of what I have read.
>>16470688
Well, Traditionalism isn't even a philosophy, so yeah I'm sure you'll derive about as much use from it as from Objectivism, given your obviously lacking knowledge or even desire for knowledge in regards to the former.
Ride the Tiger is a manual, not a systematic outline of a worldview. I told you that there are others you can look to for that. The point is that his metaphysics are very visible in his criticism.
>and if it mentions one God damned human, let's not kid ourselves he only talks about humans, then it is not a metaphysical proposition
You literally have no idea what the word "metaphysics" means. At all. In fact, you are precisely the type of person that would seriously benefit from reading Evola if only you could understand him. One of Evola's central points is about the impact that humans in their higher qualities have on metaphysics.

>>16469363
if Christianity is correct then all of that is good. why should I care about "the west," it means literally nothing to me.

>>16470643
kek

>>16471556
what's your metaphysics anon? What ontological dimension do you take? Have you studied mereology? What metaphysics do you think align more properly in science? Do you think science has same metaphysical commitments as non science? Do you have a creation narrative that aligns with your metaphysics? How do you account for existence or change?

Boy I can run circles on you in metaphysics plus it's telling his "metaphysics on math" is solely politically concerned.

>>16469425
>and hid in a little muslim commune for the rest of his life
life of contemplation of God's existence and being as close to the ideal human model (the sunnah) is as beautiful as any man will ever get and edges on true enlightenment.

>>16469363
>tfw I love Jesus and will subvert all hierarchies like a chad

>>16469425
Geunon took the brown pussy pill, Evola was probably a low key faggot

>>16469363
If the roman empire couldn't stand up to Christianity it didn't deserve to survive. This pseud is so pathetic.

>>16474899
Christians didn't wage war against Rome, they committed elder abuse.

>>16469421
>>16469464
I have read Evola. Hes a pathetic hylic who really didn't understand perennialism and the primordial tradition at all.
>>16470095

>>16474918
The youth rebelled because roman values were shit, just like youth are rebelling against Christianity today because it's values are shit.

>>16469368
no he was just a mentally ill fag

>>16469363
walmart nietzsche

>>16469425
Based

>>16469363
the Roman Empire was horrid

>>16469497
>They got rid of...prostitutes
They did not.

>>16475030
The bathhouses were eventually abandoned which became a hub for prostitutes

>>16469363
Sound like Nietzsche to me, in what book did he say that?

>>16469846
>Is it really "rocking the boat" to be a fascist in a country ruled by would-be fascists?

>>16469363
1 Cor 18-21 KJV

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

>>16469412
Based in hell poster

>>16474445
My metaphysics are the metaphysics of the Bhagavad Gita, anon.
>>16474920
No you haven't.

>>16469363
but this guy had a hard on for crusaders knights.

>"barbaric"!
>literally advocates barbaric morality
kek

>>16469363
>>>/x/

>>16469363
reminder he became a catholic later

Christcuckery is a dead religion lacking any sincerity. Hold no audience with Christian's. They are on the level of native American myth and shinto larpers.

>>16477777
quints have spoken. the age of Christ is over!

>>16477777
Digits confirm Christianity is dead

>>16477777
nice

>>16469363
Evola converted to Catholicism on his deathbed.

>>16477734
>reminder he became a catholic later

Evola was reconciled with the Church??

>>16478994
Source?

>>16479003
bullshit

>>16477777
tradcath larpers on suicide watch

Christianity is the most aesthetically sublime of all religions and there is nothing you can do about it. You are all a bunch of illiterate midwits.

>>16477256
I'm not against that but I'd like to see it worked out and applied more widely based on what it offers

>>16470095
Kshatriyas-Brahmin power struggle.

>>16480558
>Christianity
>aesthetics
lel it has none. The Old Testament is a history of the Jews and the new testament is just a bunch of poor fishermen and other poorfags in rags going around with tears in their eyes following Jesus that performed some magic and taught basic bitch philosophy. There is a reason why the Renaissance tried to turn them all into Greek gods and heroes. Imagine Michaelangelo with mere Christian aesthetics... yikes bro

bump

>>16477790
but at least christ is alive?

>>16483980
Well, shit.

>>16482080
I don't have to imagine

>>16484600

>>16482080
sounds like you are litterally just describing any early system. image imagine a 9th century bce Doric barbarian crying about zeus and his bestiality fetish then latter transforming them all into Mycenaean gods and heros. imagine Sophocles with old Doric sensibilities.... Yikes!

That kind of crying doenst even make sense, Christendom conquered the world, every other civilization biting the dust.
As the west abandoned Christ and became increasingly atheistic it all went to shit.
Its pretty obvious Christianity was what gave the west its mojo. Because its truth. Man without truth just limps along.

>>16484651
>Christendom conquered the world, every other civilization biting the dust.
>As the west abandoned Christ and became increasingly atheistic it all went to shit.
>Its pretty obvious Christianity was what gave the west its mojo. Because its truth. Man without truth just limps along.

That's it, in a nutshell.

Evola was an interesting character. But his life, withal, was that of an ant exerting himself to cross a railroad tie while above him an express train passes.

>>16477777
Based. 7 is a holy number to boot

>>16483980
Always my friend

>>16469363
Julius Evola rolled on his back he confronted Corneliu Zelea Codreanu

>>16484651
>>16484722
You don't even have to agree with Evola to know that this is a load of bullshit. A cursory read through early modern history will easily demonstrate that the anti-clerical, materialistic and progressive worldview took hold exactly as European expansion began. Just before the French Empire swept over European, Catholic priests and peasants were regularly brutalised by radicalised republicans. Trying to credit Christianity with the achievements of its literal antithesis is ridiculous.
>>16485117
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Evola liked Codreanu a lot. He also liked the spiritual emphasis of his legionaries. This doesn't mean he suddenly saw the light and embraced Christianity. His opinion of the Iron Guard does not imply anything about his opinion of Christianity.

>>16485350
>pseud: the post

>>16485382
Fuck off triptard, no one asked for your "contribution".

bump

>>16485429
Cry

>>16485473
Give me something to cry about dumbass

>>16469621
>explained
>who
>gave
unironically believing in the invsible man in the sky while posting on this "unholy" domain

dude you're mastering the gr8b8m8 with vengeance

(and yes I'm aware of the irony to post a pic of Monty Pythons depiction of a crusader...although an very unlucky one)

Evola is gay

>>16485500
Already did and you've been crying the past 20 minutes.

>>16485502
Go back

>>16469576
Cathars were the Medieval equivalent of a jim jones suicide cult. why is it so impossible for people to imagine that in the agricultural society of medieval france, with it’s 50% infant mortality rate, that if masses of people suddenly started killing themselves and stopped having children than the entire society would suffer drastically? It was literally a concern of then-contemporary authors that if catharism was allowed to exist than the entire human race would die off. Considering the times they lived, you can’t blame them. Part of the problem is that we have such an excess of seemingly worthless people today that if 10 million decided to kill themselves and another 20 vowed to not have children society would still continue to function. That was NOT the case in Medieval France, where every able bodied man was needed to keep things smooth.

>>16469557
>>16469536
What's worse? Some pre Christian brutality or a worldwide cult which tolerates a genocidal usurious cult controlling everything.

Christians mass genocide? Look closely at Russian history. Christians prepper Russia for the eventual (((Bolsheviks))). Research Tartaria.

>>16485681
Hes not gay hes just creative