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16473695 No.16473695 [Reply] [Original]

>make French language
>realize you fucked up because il/elle and ils/elles is too ambiguous in certain contexts
>create the words ce, ci, ces, ceux, cela, ceci, cette, cet, and celui because your language is to ambiguous
>example
>Pierre a un piano. Il est grand.
>Frogs have no clue if you're saying Pierre is large or if the piano is large so they had to make up words to fix their mistake in constructing a language
>while in English we simply say "Pierre has a piano. He is large."
Go ahead Frogs, defend this.

>> No.16473704

I'd rather see them defend this
>Qu'est-ce que c'est que ça ?

>> No.16473710

Dommage!

>> No.16473714

>>16473704
That's an anglo construction. I've never heard or read that in French.

>> No.16473719

English>>>German>>>>>>>>>>>>African Zulu whoops and yips>>>>>>>>>>>french

>> No.16473724

i pay a particular class with a native french teacher to learn this, fuck frogs and their pronouns

>> No.16473765
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>>16473695
On the subject of ambiguity in languages, one thing I miss from Latin is the suus/eius distinction for possessive adjectives, to clearly mark whether something belongs to the subject of the sentence, or someone else: https://latin.stackexchange.com/a/1270
Does any modern language have this?

>> No.16473772

>>16473695
The mess that is the present-day French language is the result of the Académie Française attempting to hold on to the language's synthetic Latinate roots despite the march of entropy. It won't be long until the whole house of cards comes tumbling down and the language will be allowed to flower once again.

>> No.16473779

>>16473772
Huh, I wonder who sits on the board of the Academie Francaise...surely they are pure-blooded french men and not...

>> No.16473812

>>16473695
>>Frogs have no clue if you're saying Pierre is large or if the piano is large so they had to make up words to fix their mistake in constructing a language
>>while in English we simply say "Pierre has a piano. He is large."
You can do the same thing in English:
>Bill saw John. He waved.
You can't tell whether Bill waved or John waved. However, the BASED Algonquian languages avoid this ambiguity by using different verb conjugations depending whether the subject is the previously mentioned subject or the previously mentioned object.

>> No.16473830

>>16473695

This isn't /lit/

>> No.16473832

>>16473772
Can't wait until French becomes universally like the nigger-arabspeak you hear in Paris

>> No.16473848

>>16473765
Russian has 'cвoй'.
Oнa зaбылa cвoё имя - She foggot her own name.
Oнa зaбылa eё имя - She forgot her name (some other woman's).

>> No.16473904

Romance languages ranked

Great tier
>Occitan
>Catalan

Good tier
>Italian
>Romanian

Ruined by beaners and bunda tier
>Spanish
>Portuguese

Only spoken by Arabs and Africans
>French

>> No.16473912

>>16473765
Most retain some form of the reflexive. Se is the reflexive pronoun suus is the reflexive adjective.

>> No.16473917

>>16473695
>>16473904
>>16473832

Fuck off

>> No.16473920

>>16473904
>Great tier
>>Occitan
>>Catalan
More like dead tier lmao

>> No.16473966

>the
>this
>that
Great tranny language, a*glos

>> No.16473979

>>16473704
Here in Québec we say: Kossé ça tabarknak. Its more straight forward.

>> No.16474050

>>16473695
You have no idea of French.
>ce, ci, ces, ceux, cela, ceci, cette, cet, and celui
All of these are demonstrative, they have little in common with il/elle aside from being used as pronouns.
>Pierre a un piano. Il est grand.
The only thing you are complaining about here is that there is no neutral gender in French. It has nothing to do with the rest of your post in spite of you trying to make it look like it. I don't know why focusing on French then because many other languages don't have dedicated neutral gender, some other (like German) with three genders arbitrarily spread.
Not every language needs to go into trannyism.

>> No.16474122

>>16474050
Neither do you because the correct sentence in French is "Pierre a un piano. Celui-ci est grand."

>> No.16474156

>>16473979
>Québec

québecois french which sounds like nasal dogshit with an english accent? yeah no thanks

>> No.16474170

>>16473695
>>>Pierre a un piano. Il est grand.
>>Frogs have no clue if you're saying Pierre is large or if the piano is large


he doesn't know the rule

>> No.16474222

>>16473695
Spanish>French>>>>English.

>> No.16474373

>>16474222
This, except read it right to left

>> No.16474377

>>16474373
>English<<<<French<Spanish

>> No.16474386

>>16473695
the whole language is like a nervous tick that's gotten out of control

>> No.16474391

>>16473830
I'd rather discuss language than witness any more gnostic debate threads.

>> No.16474396

>>16473904
>not ranking romanian
based retard

>> No.16474397

>>16474396
Look again Gheorghe

>> No.16474405

>>16473904
>occitan
You mean french as spoken in the south.

>> No.16474409

>>16474156
>french which sounds like nasal dogshit
this. cant imagine a Quebec dialect making shit even more shit.

>> No.16474411

>>16473695
yeah french is retarded and makes no sense whatsoever but no one cares because it sounds so good.

>> No.16474417

>>16474397
metabasedness

>> No.16474421

>>16473695
>Pierre has a piano. He is large.
Pierre, or the Piano?
Maybe you're referring to the piano as a he

>> No.16474442
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>> No.16474446

>>16473812
>>16473695
Just use relative clauses.

>> No.16474465

>>16473695
English is more versatile than any language, not just French.

>> No.16474475

>>16473695
Do you unironically think that French was genetically designed in a lab by a bunch of scientist with way too much free time? This might be one of the most retarded shit I've seen this month.

>> No.16474492

>>16474409
French only sounds nasally because they have the stench of pussy filling their nostrils

>> No.16474508

>>16473695
>Pierre a un piano
Say this: Pierre a un grand piano.

>> No.16474516

>>16474421
OP btfo

>> No.16474525

>>16474377
Kek

>> No.16474555

>>16474409
I was just as amazed as you are when I first heard it but even the french make fun of the quebec accent thats how fucking bad it is

>> No.16474560
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>>16474391
BASED.

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>>16474391
best take in the thread

>> No.16475118

>>16473812
Does any language use an equivalent to the Greek δέ to turn the object of the previous sentence into the subject?

>> No.16475176

Spanish:
Mi papá tiene 47 años. - My dad is 47 years old.
Mi papa tiene 47 anos. - My potato has 47 anuses.

>> No.16475194

>>16475176
Spanish is a very complex language but almost never confusing, without taking in consideration idioms, of course.

>> No.16475206

>>16473765
Danish has "dens/dets/hans/hendes" or "sin/sit"

>> No.16475218

>>16475194
>very complex language but almost never confusing
Interesting perspective. Do you think Italian is like that as well? I had a hard time learning french but spanish was kinda easy. I don't know if I should do portuguese or italian next.

>> No.16475383

>>16473765

Yeah Slavic languages. Svoj vs njegov/njezin in Croat, cвoй vs eгo/ee in ru

>> No.16475390

>>16475218

Italian is basically Spanish but you use the congiuntivo. You should try to find a textbook written for Spaniards.

>> No.16475988

>>16473772
Can't wait for ebonic french to be the norm.

>> No.16476120

>>16475218
Portuguese is very much like that as well, I personally find it on par with italian in terms of general difficulty.

>> No.16476148

>>16474508
Stupid frog. I want to say Pierre is large.

>> No.16476176
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>>16473904
/thread

>>16473920
>catalan
>dead
?

>> No.16476186

>>16475218
If you learned spanish, it will very easy to learn portuguese. portuguese is like a spanish's gay version.

>> No.16476198

>>16473695
>Pierre a un piano. Il est grand.
This is poetry. It grows in the imagination of the reader and permit thousands of thousands of possibilities. In the real world, context would tell you which one is large if necessary.
>Pierre has a piano. He is large.
This is bugman language, almost as bad as a programming language.
>>16473704
>Qu'est-ce que c'est que ça ? Et ça qu'est-ce que c'est ?
Imagine not being able to appreciate this beautiful alexandrin that Molière himself wouldn't have disowned.

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>mfw reading this sad excuse of a thread

>> No.16476216

>>16476210
Stéphane Larmealoeuil

>> No.16476238

>>16473695
>Pierre est grand, il a un piano.
>Pierre a un grand piano.
The reason why our language is complex is because there is, in fact, no ambiguity. There is only ambiguity where you want it to be.
The example with Pierre and the piano could be a figure of style:
>Pierre a un piano. Il est grand, droit et harmonieux.
Where the ambiguity creates a poetic comparison between Pierre's physique and his instrument. You can build a more specific and detailed description later by sticking other words together. You know, like in any other language...

>> No.16476242

>>16476148
Grand Pierre a un piano.

>> No.16476243

>>16476238
>Pierre a un piano. Il est grand, droit et harmonieux.
eww gay