/lit/ - Literature

Not doing both, ngmi

>>16625655
I feel the opposite way. Should've kept literature as a hobby.

>tfw you get paid to learn cybersecurity
>it's ez
>write music and poetry in class

>>16625655
What anime?

>>16625656
you cant.
life is barely long enough to get good at one thing.
Just look at the typical polymath and how pathetic they end up being in most fields.
It is too rare to be a Da Vinci or Leibniz and near any other polymath was pathetic at at least one of the other things he is hailed at being good at.
Getting good enough at one thing to be noticed is hard enough, two such different fields is near impossible.
You can become a "happy with myself" loser like >>16625684 or actually make something, become a genius, but that takes so much work that not absolute dedication will make you fall short.
You are ngmi, faggot.

>>16625701
delicious cope, I bet your prose sucks too

>>16625701
> wanting to be noticed
wrong answer

>>16625655
I just want a mediocre engineering job that I can coast on financially for the rest of my life. I. Just. Want. To. Fit. In.
My family has undoubtedly noticed my lack of relationships so far in my life. That's my only real hurdle until normalcy. I wish I could marry and have a child, then 4 years in the mother dies tragically so I can just raise the kid on my own. Ahh, that would be nice.

>>16625655
false flag, dilate

>>16625718
You alright there Bateman?

>>16625718
Are you gay or just really not into long term relationships?

>>16625655
Hahahahaha what the fuck is this bullshit

>A hundred years have now gone by since in the midsummer of 1882 Pierre Duhem, a graduate of College Stanislas, completed with brilliant success his entrance exams to the Ecole Normale Superieure and embarked on his career as a theoretical physicist. His father, a textile salesman, hoped that Hierre would pursue a career in business, one of the few professional fields where perhaps he would not have succeeded. Not that young Duhem lacked sense for the practical. He could have easily made a name for himself as an artist had he developed professionally his skill to draw portraits and landscapes. His ability to make a point and his readiness to join in a debate, could have earned him fame as a lawyer. A potential actor was in sight when he entertained friends with mimicry. That as a student of physics he entered and stayed first in his class at the Ecole Normale, did not thwart his talents for the life sciences. No less a biologist than Pasteur tried to obtain Duhem for assistant. His command of Greek and Latin would have secured him a career as a classicist. He was a Frenchman, not to be met too often, whose rightful ad miration for and mastery of his native tongue, did not prove a barrier to the major modern languages. As one who taught himself the complex art of medieval paleo graphy, he could easily have mastered the many auxiliary sciences needed by a consummate historian.

>>16625742
I'm gonna go back in time just to kick pierre duhem in the teeth

>>16625701
Cope. You're just inferior.

>>16625787
For being French?

>>16625655
Just read Quintilian and Cicero's treatises on rhetoric, follow their advice, and voilà you'll be better in elocution and writing than English majors.

>>16625655
>"the STEM meme"
>anime poster
>polar coordinates
>potential energy of charge sphere
undergrads please refrain from posting I understand this is a stressful time in your life, but in general you would be helped by not frequenting this board and polluting your mind with your half-baked representations of what people tell you on 4chan

>>16625821
Do you have any openings for a mech eng internship this summer?

>>16625655
He didn't take the natural philosopher route
>He didn't study a biological science that gives him a career traveling the world
>He isn't inspired by his work and studies to create literary artforms
Currently doing Marine biology, did literature for A-levels

>>16625728
Idk, man. I just don't like pretending.

Want to become an English teacher in Arabia. Nobody wants to go there for obvious reasons so they’re paying people lots of riyals to teach them the language of the disbelievers.
Yeah it’s pretty restrictive. But if you don’t care about sex or social interaction, don’t hate Muslims, and you have a mostly useless English degree, than this is the gig for you.

>>16625940
Also you have to be a native of an English land. Even if you speak it perfectly, even better than some native speakers, you still won’t get shit. They’ll throw your resume in the garbage even if you have a masters degree or even higher.

>>16625655
Honestly with the pricing vs content of current universities its better to just get a piece of paper in something you can make money with while you self study in literature and philosophy. Thats what ive been doing at least.
for literature: simply slowly work through the western canon, and read secondary lit for each work you liked, search youtube for uploaded university lectures.
for philosophy: read a few philosophers, read standford encyclopedia of philosophy, look up the author names of standford articles: half of the time they put their curriculum on the web. just an example i came across recently: http://www.protevi.com/john/courses.html

>>16625661
Same here. No job and no girls. My friends are boring "philosophers"

Going STEM was the best decision I ever made.

Went for EE and I drank/dropped acid or shrooms/partied every single weekend, graduated with a 3.1, did zero internships, and got a controls engineer job a month before graduating because I knew a guy.

Been doing that for a little over a year and my role is to respond to emails from my room for 87k/yr since I'm actually just a glorified account executive. It's the easiest job in the world.

>>16625655
nigga just get a library card like wtf

>>16625655
i also fell for the stem meme. dont feel too bad. don't think too hard about how you could have majored in german/french/russian whatever and spend a couple years abroad while learning a language and subsequently having access to a whole other culture and literary tradition for the rest of your life

Now you'll get money and be able to live better. You've done well, son. Humanities in Academia is a joke.

I fell for the STEM meme. Really want out.

>>16625701
I can see why you're not good at anything, typing up some pathetic cope. You'll learn that it's not about how good you are, sometimes it's just luck but if you keep trying then you might end up one of the lucky ones. But nah just keep shit posting you'll make one of these days right? Because you're the main character, everyone is an NPC but you.

>>16625867
better get used to it. everyone else is.

>>16626195
The crux of my strife. Is everyone else really pretending? Really?

>>16626240
I doubt everyone sees it precisely in that way, but they are, we all are. One big play, anon. Just don't let your mask slip! They might string you up ;)

>>16625701
>You can't
I'm in biomedical engineering with a 3.3 GPA and just finished reading The Complete Works of Plato. You're such a despirited faggot. Kill yourself if you're going to refuse to read because "Waaah I have to work 40 hours in an 96 hour week. Dumb fucker.

>>16626296
you read philosophy 101? wow you're a total polymath bro

>>16626296
>just finished reading The Complete Works of Plato
Time to read it again.

>>16625655
Polar coordinates gets you man arsehole.
Poetry only gets you pussy.
Only poofters fuck women.

>>16626313
>"Waaaaah it's impossible to be in STEM and read anything besides genre fiction! Hard books are too hard for me I'm a delicate flower with no time!"
>You absolutely can read philosophical texts, I just finished one.
>"Lol you tryhard, that's not REALLY reading"
I never said I was a polymath you stupid crab, I'm saying that "Woe is me I have to learn integrals" is a retarded reason not to read even basic philosophy.

>>16626327
Later

>>16625710
>>16625714
>>16625803
>>16626194
>>16626296
>projecting your cope this hard
cringe

>>16626402
>le uno reverse card

if you spent less time trying to tell people what they can and cannot do you'd at least be able to START being a decent writer

>>16625718
Based

>>16626337
True. Women love fags.
t. token gay

>>16625948
When will people learn English degrees are worthless?

>>16625701
You're so far off it's hilarious.

>tfw mech eng degree and haven't landed a STEM job after over a year
kill me

>>16626705
>master of none

>>16626705
WOW! I am mediocre at everything!

>>16626753

Better than being good at one thing that becomes obsolete , especially since the world is changing so rapidly now

>>16626750
>>16626753
Heinlein was without any doubt a better writer than you will ever be and lived by those words. Changing a diaper or butchering a hog doesn't need to be a 'masterpiece', fuck off with your retarded copes.

>>16626763
fuck you for giving him a you but not me>>16626750

>>16626697
Half the retards crying in this thread do so because they don't think they have time to get multiple degrees...because they think that's the only way to learn worthwhile things. To answer your question, more never than never.

>>16625693
you're kidding right?

>>16625701
>Getting good enough at one thing to be noticed is hard enough, two such different fields is near impossible.
>Life is just about getting validation from others

>You can become a "happy with myself" loser
Imagine believing "this makes me happy" isn't a good enough reason to do something.
This post reeks of a cancerous "there's no point in doing something if I'm not literally the best at it" attitude. 99% of people in any subject won't become world-renowned geniuses in their field but that doesn't mean they shouldn't bother at all.
Ironically this kind of mindset is what keeps people from trying anything new or getting actually good at anything.
Keep coping.

>>16626402
>n-n-no! YOU'RE coping!!!

>>16626402
>I'm the one coping for telling someone to stop shit posting and work harder.
Sure faggot

>>16625655
people should do both
but start like the greeks did, arts, humanities and literature, then law, then philosophy, maths and science

>>16625701
>life is barely long enough to get good at one thing
you should use 30 years to educate yourself faggot
why are you in such a hurry? wait until youre 50 or so before spouting so much shit to others

>>16625701
>Getting good enough at one thing to be noticed is hard enough
If thats how you think about intellectual work you will never reach any true or make anything worthwhile
You need to seek truth even if no one understands it, thats how you develop a mature intellectual autonomy

The STEMtards insisting that can balance a STEM career with studies in humanities on the side are in for reckoning. Life gets in the way, and your studies will never amount to anything but a hobby. At best, you'll achieve an undergraduate understanding of your chosen subject. But at that point, you may as well invest everything into your bugman career.

>>16626883
all aboard the cope train wooop wooop

>>16626883
Ok, bro. You'll be able to read T.S. Eliot at a high level. It's good that poetry is cheap, because you'll be a barista until the job gets automated.

>>16626889
Next stop, STEMtardville

More like don't fall for the wagie meme

Projection and cope. I've got wealthy parents, it's the reason why I went into the humanities in the first place. I've got nothing to worry about and can invest the totality of being into my studies for the rest of my life.

>>16626923
For >>16626902

>>16626923
>Projection and cope. I've got wealthy parents, it's the reason why I went into the humanities in the first place
So you'll never actually produce anything worth reading, got it. You may have a future in publishing, though.

>>16626883
You have never worked hard in your life have you? And if I'm wrong then please post that hard work. I think you underestimate how much you can get done with a pretty laid back schedule as long as you're consistent

>>16626923
Good, then. Hope you make the best of it. I have nothing against rich leeches studying the humanities, good for you. It's just bad manners to lead a poor/lower middle class person to waste their time and energy in a liberal arts college.

>>16625978
You don’t even know how to spell Stanford

>>16626943
Why is it a waste of time?

>>16626936
I've already been published in several journals. Cope again.
>>16626942
The only way to truly work hard is to work smart. All that "laid back consistent work" can been done in a minute fraction of the time in academia. That's fine, but don't pass off your "work" as anything more than a hobby.

>>16626968
Because if you're poor and you go in debt to pursue such an education at an early age you're just fucked. Specially if you're American.

>>16626988
>but I-I'm published!
So is E.L. James, champ.

>>16626296
lmao, that other anon is obviously a child, but so are you

>Fell for the don't go to school meme and now am a 26 year old no prospects loser who trys to be an autodidact on the side to cope

ahahahaha man this sucks

>>16627022
Sorry for that, bro. Learn a trade or go back to school.

>>16626998
>Never heard of community college
Then just transfer the first two years are bullshit anyways. You don't have to go into debt I'm tired of faggots saying this because you can easily pay college if you're not retarded.

>>16627034
I'm not American, I thought community college was a last resort for poorfags only.

>>16627040
Nah it's for people that don't want to pay stupid amounts of money for college algebra or composition 1

>>16627026
I tried both and I really just couldn't get into either. Might unironically join the military or something at this point while i'm still of age.

>>16626697
only monetarily, mon ami

>>16627066
then do it, man. I'm 26 too and just finished my master's but I also have no prospects and I'm basically a fucking loser. we're all gonna make it

>>16626988
I mean you can choose your pace for free instead of paying for structure and networking. And I hate when faggots say they are publish, let's see samples of your work.

>>16627066
Don't do it, spend some time out in the world. Not in a trade school or college or military just experience shit.

>>16626998
Poor people don't go into debt at private institutions. They get financial aid. But not at public unis. What I'm saying is, if you're smart, you can get paid to think
t. full ride

>>16627108
what you think he's been doing for the past 8 years?

>>16627108
military will give him more opportunities and experience than anything if he picks the right job field

>>16627121
If he is feeling like a loser then it's safe to say he has just been cruising. Probably why he feels like a loser and is still confused on what he wants to do. No I mean spend time trying to figure out where your place in this world is it's an active pursuit it cannot be passive.

>>16625701
Ah another victim of the jewish rat race

>>16625693
GITS you uncultured swine

>>16627154
Nah he will probably sit at some base spending his time drinking and partying. So another waste of time

>>16627173
Nope. There's all types of people in the military. Some get drunk all day. Some live in the gym. Some stay inside playing vidya all day. Some spend their hours reading and study, like me. It's just a big cross-section of everything you'd find in civilian life.

>>16627186
So another waste of time, if he spent 8 years fiddling with his ass hairs what do you think he's gonna do when he's getting paid to do that?

Frankly anon I am the opposite. I got my history degree, and I often feel a pretty serious anxiety that while I may be able to describe historical periods/conduct research, I am woefully out of touch with the mechanical workings and scientific innovations that shape history- and my day to day life. At the end of it all, you now possess practical training and something with a material usefulness thanks to your degree, and I do not.

>>16627207
That's entirely up to him, buddybuck. You care too much.

>>16627225
If you replying to his posts on an anonymous image board as caring then yeah I guess. But people don't change suddenly over night is all I'm saying.

>>16627247
And if you know that, don't you think it's more fruitful to encourage the real lasting change instead of spewing doubt and cynicism? Ultimately we're responsible for ourselves, but if we see our brothers struggling why not drop a supportive word or two?

>>16627281
Based

>>16627281
How was I spewing doubt? I was saying don't go into the military and Actively try to find your place in the world. Military will be a waste of time for him, so shut the fuck up faggot and follow your own advice.

>>16627312
>I was saying don't go into the military and Actively try to find your place in the world.
For some people that place is the military. If it's not you'll figure that out very quickly.

>>16625655
bro just read some shounen manga and realize that grit is all you need to actualize your hopes and dreams
i mean u did post a gits pic so i assumed

You think that’s bad? I became an accountant. There’s so much to learn out there, and I decided to squander my one chance at an education learning ho to put numbers into boxes.

>>16627225
yo does anyone else want to propose a quaternity that opposes anima with spiritus and corpus with mind (not gonna consult my latin dict)?

>>16626946
d key is next to the f key, he could have just button mashed a typo.

>>16627312
>Actively try to find your place in the world
What does this entail? Give me a tangible response. The way I see it, "going into the military" is an action; "finding your place in the world" is just babble.

>>16625701

>>16627390
I'm so sorry, man. I've never understood why anyone would become an accountant. It's mind blowing that humans come into this Earth, full of joy and aspirations and dreams, and become accountants.

>>16626705
Based. Specialization nerds who have the intense ego and pride to dedicate their lives naming some stupid molecule or cell after themselves after autistically staring at it forever are worst than insects

What about literature as a hobby? STEM is much more practical for making a living compared to literature, but much can still be done with literature being a hobby.
>>16625718
Could I get your business card?

>>16626883
>The STEMtards insisting that can balance a STEM career with studies in humanities on the side are in for reckoning. Life gets in the way, and your studies will never amount to anything but a hobby. At best, you'll achieve an undergraduate understanding of your chosen subject. But at that point, you may as well invest everything into your bugman career.
I dont see whats your point, you can become a polymath within 40 years of study, 30 years, doesnt matter really, and publish books, books which will last much more time and reach much more people than whatever "paper you publish in academia that will get dumped over by other thusands of academics (linus pauling book on vitamin c is such example)

Mario ferreira dos Santos didnt publish any fucking paper, yet he was the greatest philosopher of the 20th century, otto maria carpeaux also didnt publish any fucking paper

>>16627470
>citing some hispanic literally who as the greatest philosopher

>>16627460
Doing literature properly requires about 20 hours a week dedicated. Teaching literature at a tertiary level is probably worth 5 hours of contemplation from the background of your head and occasional useful students.

>>16627470
Polymathery doesn't exist properly any more. Autodidacts are fairly obvious because they miss core structures of scholarly debate.

>>16627455
T A K E T H E A N T I H U M A N I S M P I L L N O W D A M M I T

>>16625655
based retarded undergrad
you'll grow out of this mindset (and soon, i hope)

>>16627452
I was depressed during school and needed a major I could succeed in without any effort. As much as I hated accounting classes, I was really good at them.

You're feeling bad because you're in STEM? Son, I'm a fucking ATTORNEY. I'm 3 years away from turning 30 and I have grey hair all over my fucking head. I've basically guaranteed a terrible existence until I retire, and when I do that it will be too late to do anything fun. Life is bullshit. Better never to have been.

>>16627506
Good for you man, hopefully you can escape the bookkeeping trap.

>>16625684
Tell me how to use Kali rn

>>16627545
My depression tacked an extra two years onto my education and two years worth of debt onto me. But I am glad that I’m not trapped doing retail for the rest of my life, but everything else kind of sucks.
To any college anons reading this, if you’re feeling severely depressed at school try to talk to someone about it as quickly as possible. It only gets worse if you don’t.

>>16625701
this isn't true. you're just shit.

>>16627629
rtfm

>>16625655
Work is always a trap, those dedicated to living will give it meaning

>>16627434
Find out what you wanna do, why is that so cryptic? Try new things, what do you like? Go to new places, get creative and think for yourself instead of waiting around for someone to give you an order.

>>16627499
Fill me in

>>16625701
mean little fag man full of cope

>>16627470
>Mario ferreira dos Santos
Who? Sorry, but 99.999% of worthwhile thinkers are members of the academy, and this isn't a coincidence.

>>16625701
Truth.
You'll never get anywhere if you're just "doing it on the side". You've got to dedicate your life to it.

>>16627820
Who says the point of art is to get anywhere? This attitude is unhealthy, and for the vast majority it will end in self hatred.

>>16625655
You area loser for not being able to do both.

>>16627881
based area loser poster

>>16627666
Wrong.

>>16625821
Ahem, I did that shit in highschool

>>16627640
Talking to a therapist won't help me. I have to figure it out myself.

>>16625655

>blah blah

Here check this site out anon: Reddit.com

>>16627848
>and for the vast majority it will end in self hatred.
Based

>>16626296
3.9 when I read Plato, pure math, physics and premed triple major. My cock is also half an inch longer than yours.

>>16627923
I needed antidepressants. It sucked, but they were the only thing that allowed to get through the day. All I know is that it’s nearly impossible to succeed in an academic environment and be really depressed. Hope you figure it out.

Why is the STEM meme a thing? You don't need STEM to get by, STEM is for making bank. Why not choose some easy degree that takes less effort and will reward you a job with more free time? Why spend extra energy on something that's not your passion?

>>16626883
What are you on. Have you seen graduate/professional work in literature? Nigger you think I need to have done this full time for half my life to understand how to “Reading Female Empowerment in the Illiad”?

>>16625655
poor you, you'll find a decent job well-paying job instead of ending up a working class schlub like everybody who studies the arts

>go for computer science
>2008 crash fucks my entire career path so hard I work in an IT Call center
>Spend every day for over 2 years talking with boomers who don’t know how to use tabs in a web browser, don’t know what a browser is just know it as “the thing that opens the internet”, and can’t refresh a phone
>break out of it to a decent job
>So burned out from that prior he’ll hole that I loathe anything IT or Tech related and spend as much time wasting time as possible, don’t even do tech stuff at home for fun anymore, in fact it’s what drove me back to reading

Real Ted K. feels

>>16627988
*hell hole

>>16626883
Yeah, I have several textbooks sitting around gathering dust, and I read far less frequently than I did before I started working. The problem is that self learning is so drawn out and requires so much more self-doubt that a formal education. Even those who find success at the beginning will reach a point where they’re no longer capable of teaching themselves the material.

>>16627523
Same, never liked, but I was doing well at Law School. I'm planning to work some years and then switch to something that I enjoy. If only I have a passion to dedicate my soul everything would be clear, for the moment I only wish free time to read

>>16627460

>>16625655
You're so fucking wrong. The state of literature education now is horrifically bad. You're far better off studying sciences, as shit as they are now as well, than going into a literature department and wasting your time and money on a degree which instead of making you a literate person turns you into some ideologue.
>>16625661 is right on, literature as your own personal hobby is far better.

>>16627965
Typical stembug delusions

>>16628038
Yep, and it only gets worse the older you get. You either go all in from beginning, in an attempt to make a career out of your passions; or you fall into the trap of balancing career and passions, which inevitably results in the relegation of the latter to the status of an ever diminishing hobby.

>>16627474
>citing some hispanic literally who as the greatest philosopher
Of the 20th century, yes, a giant of philosophy, and he wasnt hispanic thats for Spain people

>>16627812
>Who? Sorry, but 99.999% of worthwhile thinkers are members of the academy, and this isn't a coincidence.

The only not coincidence here is you thinking that way, showing how academy creates ignorant moronsthat dont even know the history of philosophy

Giambattista Vico was considered a nobody by the academy, Leibniz was considered a nobody by the academy

This idolatry to academy is fucking ridiculous and its almost the same as the pervaiding cult of scientism that has rottened western society

If you didnt mean to use an appeal to academy, then im sorry, but thats what i got from your post

Mario Ferreira dos Santos was the ONLY modern philosopher that could speak like an equal with Plato and Aristotle

Was he did was basically a synthesis of Pythagoreanism and Scholastic philosophy. He took all the logical apparatus of Scholastic philosophy and reexposed it to the Pythagorean philosophy of numbers, understanding numbers as categories and ontological laws. Once he made this armor, which for him would be the metalanguage of sciences, he used it as a basis to create a cosmology

There should be a statue of this man in every street corner in brazil right now

>>16625655
I had this preconceived notion that majoring in Computer Science is soulless and people only do it for the money. I begrudgingly chose it because I thought I was worthless at everything else.
What I didn't know is that it would be fun as fuck lol. A lot more theory and computing mathematics than I expected. I seriously recommend it if you are looking for an alternative to a math degree.

>>16627948
>My cock is also half an inch longer than yours.
I'm 3.5 inches.

My condolences.

>>16625940
>>16625948
How did you apply?
How many hours do you work a week and a day?
How much do you make?

Is it based or cringe if I abuse my country's university system to become as educated as possible without paying anything? I went into stem and quit at about 2/3 of a 5 year program without a degree (after realizing that anything up until my degree would have been useless practical specialization) to study philosophy and classics. Is this a legitimate way to become a polymath? I feel like free education systems rely on nothing but guilt and enforced credentialism which I don't give a shit about. Boomers here love spouting spouting strawman memes about lazy hippy students stealing their hard earned tax money by studying social sciences or African studies for 20 semesters.

>>16629370
Swede?

>>16629370
If you are wealthy there isn't a single reason why you should go to work. On the other hand, if you'll need a job for sustenance, I urge you to consider a degree that can easily land you an easy, well-paid job. Stocking shelves and living in poverty sucks.

>>16625693
Demon Slayer

>>16625655
I'm a biology major and I also do all the things you're whining about not being able to do. Your pathetic attitude sickens me.

>>16625655
I have no idea why people keep saying that getting a humanities degree will save you from becoming a "bugman." I don't know how it is in other countries, but in the US the only jobs you can get with a humanities degree are completely bureaucratic. Not only are you less likely to get a job, but if you are employed it's going to be the same kind of miserable white-collar desk job literally everyone else with a degree is doing.
Anyone who's actually well-read or intelligent in this day and age had to teach themselves, whatever degree they might have gotten means literally nothing.