/lit/ - Literature

>>16757002
Umberto Eco is good

Gottfried's book on fascism is a good summary of the history of theories of it

Read that and then read Modernism and Fascism by Griffin

>>16757023
His essay on urfascism is ok but he's a whiny little bitch who personally doesn't like fascism so should be read critically

>>16757050
Anybody who psychologizes fascism isn't going to like fascism, that's the point of undermining it by attacking the motives and faculties of the fascist via psychologizing instead of the more honest (and difficult) route of examining and critiquing the position itself. This seems rather obvious to me, which leads me to wonder why OP is asking for such a book instead of one which simply critiques fascism.

>>16757002
these people need daddy to take care of them

>>16757099
Why did you post a picture of yourself and tell us you need a daddy to take care of you? Are you off your fucking pills?

>>16757161
I thought I looked sexy ;(. Daddy Marx will save us ;3

>>16757002
Check out Michael Parenti, he gives great lectures on not only the essence of fascism, but what draws people to it. More of a historian though, and Blackshirts and Reds is more historical analysis.

>>16757002
Facism is designed to be a honey pot for young restless men who never got their release. Such men are a danger to the status quo, and capturing them in an ideology doomed to failure by design gets rid of them.

>>16757017
>Leftypol claiming not being successful in being servile and hoarding capital to spend on consumerism is a negative character trait
You’ve changed a bit since last time I saw you

>>16757002
Not only about fascism, but also communism, anarchism, christianism, islamism and many other -isms

>>16757002
it is the humanistic dissonance.
because in a world of atheist republics, atheists hate the fact that fascism is literally nothing but the deification of the public servants wich is extacly what secular humanism is.

>>16757321
They're just nihilists who worship power now. Nothing left of the left, really.

>>16757002
Funny you should ask, OP. I may have just the right guy for you.
>pic related

>>16757002
Read Evola's critique of fascism.

>>16757241
so...hitler was the greatest antifascist of all time and rid the reich of millions of young chuds by declaring war on the entire planet? all while knowingly going down as the villain of the 20th century? holy based

>>16757017
Lots of projection in that pic

>>16759213
Are you really surprised?

>>16757002
Maybe your drawn to it because recent events have proved aspects of it right? Don’t think everything is a plot to brainwash you unless you really have no individuality.

>>16759049
Based Arktos

>>16757002

Read Plato's Republic for 5 years and you will understand the allure of political parties, which is the allure of fascism anyway. Otherwise if you are drawn to fascism ask yourself what virtues fascism emphasizes and why you admire them. In many cases the same things can be had outside of a heavily ideological political movement.

>>16759426
> In many cases the same things can be had outside of a heavily ideological political movement.
Such as?

>>16759444

Such as friendship and strong family structures, life lived in service to something greater than the merely temporal, hatred of the life that reduces everything to consumer entertainment, cultivation of the nobility of the soul and excellence of the body, etc. Yearning for these things is as old as mankind. Their pursuit does not depend on any particular politics. Today it is hard to see how these things can be combined with democratic politics because our democratic politics has grown so depraved, but its depravity consists in being open to anything, and anything includes virtue. So without being an aimless and weak democratic man, it is possible nevertheless to live well among them. If you are truly better than they are this should not present a challenge.

>>16757002

>>16759497
But if you also want this for your fellow man or society, isn't politics a reasonable avenue to achieve this?

>>16759536

If your interest is primarily in directing your fellow man, then you are as worthless as all of the Communists. Politics is not immediately capable of changing men. The first page of The Republic reflects this when Polemarchus says, "What if we don't listen?" Education (in the broadest sense) must be changed in order to change mankind, but education always must proceed from models (because this is all children are capable of understanding), and there are no worthy models today. All we have today are mongrelized criminals and whores parading as artists. So to start the change (which will not be complete in our lifetime), we must become the models. Making that real is a great task and sufficient for anyone whose pride has not been corrupted by the people.

>>16759668
>If your interest is primarily in directing your fellow man, then you are as worthless as all of the Communists.
That's not what I said, but okay buddy
>Politics is not immediately capable of changing men.
No, but it's part of our system, and pretending it doesn't exist or doesn't work is just burying your head in the sand
>there are no worthy models today. All we have today are mongrelized criminals and whores parading as artists.
Gee, I wonder if that has anything to do with politics and media influencing/steering that trend
>So to start the change (which will not be complete in our lifetime), we must become the models.
I agree with you, but that doesn't mean politics should be excluded. Fascism has always been on the perimeter of politics anyway, and I think that's a valuable position.

>>16759791

I never once said that politics was not valuable or that it should be ignored but that it does not have the power to change man in any important way. Politics must always meet men where they are and fashion laws suitable for them. Embracing revolutionary or perimeter politics, whatever you wish to call it, of any sort, will not achieve the aim you are looking for, simply because politics does not have the power it must have to achieve the ends you desire. Focus always on yourself: the health of the body, the nobility of the soul, the justice of your actions. These are the only things over which man has any power. If you ignore this fact in favor of fantasies about structural change to "the system", you will necessarily fail, because "interest" in "things changing" does not change anything. Only men change things, and changing things is hard and requires virtues that today are despised when they are not wholly absent. A man with a weak body and a depraved mind is useless to everyone around him.

>>16757002
Be careful with political reading, if you read only from one place and you never read anything other than subjective ideological fantasies then you can easily be swayed into any shitty camp. Remember to read actual rigorous studies of the effects of the ideology youre sympathetic to, that’s what convinced me marxism-leninism was the way forward.

I'm pretty sick of wikipedia and the modern internet defining fascism.
If you look to the past, you mostly find purely critical writers, so I thought I would post comments from Mussolini himself to give you an "inside" perspective, which is the way ALL IDEOLOGY should be presented, I don't give two shits how ~sceeree~ that is to saplings.

No wikipedia or dictionary definition will do it justice. This is taken straight from the words of one of the founding fathers of the ideology.

Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death....

...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after...

...Fascism is the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

cont.

...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absurd conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress

>>16760022
First of all, I broadly agree with your points. But you seem to think that focusing on oneself and dealing with politics are mutually exclusive. They're not. Once you've become the best version of yourself, politics is one of the arenas where modern battles are fought. I never said it's the exclusive one, you seem to believe that. Fascism goes beyond politics, has always been more than just a political movement, and therefore its scope shouldn't be confined to politics only. Politics should follow organically when the time is right, but it should never be discounted beforehand. I think you misunderstand my intentions.

>>16759525
This, unironically. Fascism is the ultimate and unapologetic expression/exploitation of man as a social and tribal creature.

>>16760178
That's a funny way to spell communism

>>16760207
Fascism is literally the ultimate expression of man’s unfiltered natural impulses

>>16760222
This
Masc=competition through challenge/battle
Fem=symbiosis through connection and union
Obv humans have both, but it is in synthesizing polarities that we understand the individualistic nature of these things

The pendulum swings

>>16757002
There is an entire intellectual world dedicated to overanalyzing and overthinking fascism. Just take the sweaty, visceral, almost hypnotic emotional phenomena of a sports ball game, where angry half drunk people lose all sense of individuality and ascribe an almost religious importance to the progress of what is essentially an inflatable toy across a short field. It’s whatever weird, scary trance that comes over normies when they watch a football game, now turn that into a political ideology. It’s just sweaty angry rednecks in stadiums, but instead of a sports team they’re cheering on soldiers and instead of inflatable toys it’s bullets and rape sperm. This almost spiritual weight normies feel when they become hypnotized by a collective ritual of humiliating competition and ultimately aimless conquest. I’ve never been into watching competitive sport games but the psychological forces I see at play in their popularity frightens me. Fascism is a tribal conqueror militancy that is more of an impulse than an ideology. The only weird part of fascism that throws people off is the autistic sperglords that led it, whose weird control freak Uber catholic socialism is a black hole people can follow into. What I’m describing with the sports analogy is how fascism works on normies and how it can trick them into dying by the millions in pointless wars. I think introverted loners might be into fascism is because it’s become a slang for any totalitarianism that seeks to engineer society according to autistic sperglord utopian ideals. You’re probably not really attracted to fascism as a catholic political movement that glorified war, but probably just an autist who wants society to follow technocratic rules he can understand, where social systems run on mechanical Darwinian utilitarianism and schizo idealistic romanticism as opposed to whatever the hell normies are doing when they socialize (they’re disgusting I know). Also you want to go full Adam Lanza and view violent dictatorship as your method of choice for cleansing the world of normies.
Fascism was more like frat houses and football games mixed with fundamentalist Catholicism than what you are picturing. You are probably an autist/sperg who feels alienated from society and wants to replace it with a system both infused with your lofty aspirations (idealism, romanticism, mysticism, intellectualism) but also your most vengeful (butcher normies like cattle and rape normie women and burn down everything you hate). The only reason you aren’t attracted to communism is because trannies and leftists have poisoned your conception of it. If the 60’s new left had never come about, you would probably see Pol Pot as an inspiration and Soviet scientific technocracy as an autistic alternative to western liberalism which is normie-ness incarnate

>>16760222
No it's not, that would be anarchy, but I'll agree it's much closer than the current system or communism. But you said
> the ultimate and unapologetic expression/exploitation of man as a social and tribal creature.
Which would fit communism pretty darn well

>>16760263
What turns most of us off leftism is its internationalism and complicity with capitalism in wanting to destroy all distinctness

Nothing wrong with socialism or creating the new man, most of us just want to preserve existing human distinctness once capitalism is destroyed, not destroy capitalism and human distinctness with it. Any time I talk to a real anarchist (not a tranarchist) about his beliefs he ends up being a volkisch/fascist thinker anyway, so why not just skip the daydreaming about how smashing random windows will bring about new anarcho-volkisch communes and go right to protecting the communes we have? They're called countries and peoples.

Even the communist friends I have who actually read Marx are still obsessed with weird bohemian conceptions of socialism, like I think the most common belief among all of them is that "the family unit must be destroyed." Trannies and New Left shit were both millstones around the neck of the left, sure, but even before that, it was infiltrated by these weird bohemian protohippie assholes who are obsessed with destroying families, communities, natural human bonds. That's the part I don't understand. Even in Engels it creeped me out but at least I saw where it was coming from in Engels, with these modern people it feels more like cryptofreudianism mixed with "free love" anarchism, some kind of social engineering fetish of a particular kind of weirdo endemic to the 20th century.

>>16760329
>with these modern people it feels more like cryptofreudianism mixed with "free love" anarchism
Thats Marcuse for you

>>16760274
Lmao the ultimate expression of men would not be anarchy, it would probably be totalitarianism by a group of men succeeding over all other groups of men

>>16757002
I would suggest going through the original material, which means Mussolini and the other Italian socialists who made up the fascist ideology as a response to what they saw as failing of the labour movements at the time.
But perhaps more interestingly you should look at fascism outside the west. Hindutva ideology is basically fascism, it is extremely popular in the 2nd biggest country in the world and it has a whole collection of excellent writing elaborating their politics. Savarkar, Hedgewar and others.
Oh, and please don’t read stuff like Adorno, Arendt or whatever else you get reccommended. Its essentially «you’re racist because you have a small dick» over 200 pages.

>>16757017
>Make minumum wage

W..why arent you slaving away for large corporations, like a good lefty. D... dont you know theres a ratrace to run?

>>16757017
pos

>>16760263
You are one mighty sperglord, holy fuck

>>16760263
kinda based

i wonder if there are any books or studies on how mass (male) rage was directed away from party politics and toward team sports in postwar europe, and how soccer and hockey became big money as a result

>>16760682
Tamir Bar On studies it. He got into a slapfight with Alain de Benoist in print recently lol.