/lit/ - Literature

>>17057823
It is actually subjective

>>17057823
the contrast of alternate vices.

>>17057823
It's neither subjective nor objective. Art is divine.

If I think its good, its objectively good.

>>17057823
Being made for the glory of something greater almost always helps.

>>17057823
When it looks good. Art is objective, but it's not something that can be described.

>>17057823
Beeing made by an autist mostly helps

>>17057919
What does this mean anon?

Skill and it solving a problem.

I think art has suffered a lot of inflation under capitalism to such an extent that artists have to make "cool shit" that sells instead of making actual art(e.g. cultivating the technical skill and mastery to solve an existential and human problem.)

You can see it clearly if you just write abstract art into the Youtube search bar, and you'll see videos of people making decorative shit that looks good on a wall but has zero philosophical or artistic merit other than looking decorative.

>>17057823
Art is objectively good when it subjectively pleases more than just a small circle of people with stick in their asses.

>>17057823
For art to be objectively good it has to be good on an objective level.There are several other types of properties that do not fall neatly into the categories listed above. The National Park Service publishes a series of bulletins designed to aid in evaluating properties for NRHP eligibility using the criteria for evaluation. Though the criteria for eligibility are always the same, the way they are applied can differ slightly, depending upon the type of property involved. Special Register bulletins cover application of the criteria for evaluation of: aids to navigation, historic battlefields, archaeological sites, aviation properties, cemeteries and burial places, historic designed landscapes, mining sites, post offices, properties associated with significant persons, properties achieving significance within the last 50 years, rural historic landscapes, traditional cultural properties, and vessels and shipwrecks. Copy-pasted that from wikipedia to waste your time retard.

relations of the parts to each other which are overloaded with a multitude of meaning by the artist either through his sensibility or power of character.

aggregate consensus of mutually independent appreciators makes it an objective judgment even if there is a subjective remainder over which there is no consensus.

>>17058226
You son of a bitch, can't believe you made me read all that.

>>17057823
Its partaking in the Form of the Good.

my dick

>>17057823
If the masses like it it's objectively good. Therefore, Billie Eilish is equal to (or better than) Bach.

It's the synthesis of subject and object. The art itself has a power that can be discovered if the subject let's it. The real essence of a piece of art can be experienced not by focusing on the art itself, but by looking inside and observing the movement of the affected soul.

>>17057823
Art is subjectively good and the more people that find it subjectively good the more it is Objectively good.

>>17057823
Conforming to the rules established in its art world (the concept, not the present phenomenon)

>>17057823
A framework which tells you how to measure if something is objective within the framework.

>>17057919
I'm afraid that doesn't always help, must be a special type of Autism only people like Da Vinci, Bach, and Mozart types have.

The temporal longevity of its success after the authors death

>>17060143
By that logic Harry Potter is one of the best books of all time, objectively.

>>17058226
Fug you got me :DDDDDDDD

>>17060343
Correct

t. totally not a Harry Potter fan

>>17057823
not being shit

Bach made objectively good music because it is mathematically complex.
Any ‘subjective’ appeal is to the emotions, so that can change depending on the mood and general state of the same listener, let alone different listeners, on any given day. The raw data of the music is filled with tension and resolution on several levels simultaneously which we seldom have the mental capacity to realize all at once, while being indisputably precise and measured. That’s leaving out the profound emotional content that results as a byproduct of listening, if the perceiver is attuned to it at that moment (tldr subjective appeal is contextual)
Other forms of art, like a play, can incorporate order and precision but obviously too much order seems almost unhuman— so people include various deviations. A usual play largely appeals to the emotions, but nonetheless it has a certain order. Because of this it is more subjective in appeal.
Bach on the other hand is able to be cited as objective due to the mathematical precision which produces episodes of tension and resolution. The earth is positioned precisely where it is thus able to foster life. But emotions have nothing to do with that.

>>17060143
>>17060343
>>17058772
>>17060435
>temperature doesn't exist objectively, every molecule behaves differently, the same thing may feel cold or warm on different days, we just can't know anything.

>>17057823
Adherence to tradition.

>>17057823
Harmony

>>17058190
Sry for responding so late i was going to sleep a while after posting.
There are many cases of autism but some or even many have thes symptom that people having it are sensitive to stimulus of certain kinds (words, touching, music - rythm, pathos, numbers cant say it too detailled sorry) and they often also have some form of tunnel vision which allows them to dive into things they are thinking about involving a focus and therefore understanding other people cant bring into the equation of making something meaningfull.its like playing chess and you have 10 seconds to draw but the othet guy has 10 minutes per round. Its not even they can think faster (many can) but it still fits i think. They are just allowed to look deeper into things than the average human beeing
>>17060325
Yes definetly

>>17060999
And now
>BOW TO MY BASED AUTISM TRIPS ANONS
KEK

>>17057823
Pleasure.

>>17060143
Objectiveness =/= Commonness

>>17057823
its archetypal significance

the measure of impact

Information encoded at multiple levels. Technical proficiency in the medium used. Clear transmission of intent.

>>17060980
can you explain your point a little more clearly please?

>bach has so many facets, but underneath it's just math bro, everything else is an illusion

>but i also reread this classic, precisely because I can find new aspects that i wasn't aware of. always something new to discover with this author. it's an objective quality that every serious artist tries to achieve, including js bach who disapproved of for math-centric music theorists like rameau or mizler.

>so ur saying there's no uniform experience, sounds very subjective bro. also here's some abstract art that has unlimited aspects that not even its creator was aware of, just tricks human pattern recognition. ur just an imperfect biorobot haha.

>but others have praised this classic for the same quality.

>so you are ok with herd mentality? you probably also objectively like harry potter and billie elish huh? check mate.