/lit/ - Literature

>>17077836
Benzo Lobsterson

>>17077847
hearty kek. thank you anon

>>17077836
No but for that’s for a good reason

t. Not leftist

>>17077836
The right became dominated by utilitarians who thought the liberal arts were worthless, so they were effortlessly taken over by woke liberals who used this uncontested position to gradually consume the entire Anglo academic world, slowly pushing the envelope more and more until they had total control. The only way forward would be to make independent institutions in open opposition with physical presence. Even the Jesuit, Mormon, etc. universities eventually lost to wokeism.

>>17077836
I think you answered your question, politics doesn't decide philosophy. The stream of political affiliations changes w power.

>>17077836
>right-liberal
David Gauthier, Jan Narveson, David Schmidtz, Jason Brennan, John Gray, Fukuyama
>conservative
Alasdair MacIntyre, Robert Brandom, Harvey Mansfield, Roger Scruton, PMS Hacker, Philippa Foot
These are the ones who immediately pop into mind. Most actually good philosophers (even in political philosophy) don't inject modern politics into their works, and those who do, very vaguely. Even then, there's plenty (especially in the post-Nozick landscape)

Right wing movements became more anti intellectual and populist. Conservatives tell young people not to study liberal arts but "practical" careerist pursuits like business or law. Fox News demonizes academia as socialist and indoctrination camps. Right wingers moved away from industrialists and businessmen to unwashed rednecks who live off welfare but hate black people more.

>>17077836
Because right wing beliefs don't stand up to scrutiny and the right is anti intellectual

>>17078113
Here's that (You) you ordered dumbass

Nick Land
Mencius Moldbug
BAP
Nicky Fuentes
Groypers.ptg

>>17077836
>Now academia is so predominantly leftist it isn't even funny.
Is there a way to reverse this?

>>17078280
Do you mean without killing them all?

>>17078225
>nick fuentes
>intellectual
lmao

>>17078303
i doubt this is a practical approach. I think their influence in society is enough to have half the population rally behind them

>>17078225
All of these are absolute fucking jokes. You could've at least said Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell but no, you had to say a bunch of alt right memes (and Nick Land, who is his own special brand of schizo) that no one takes seriously. Dumbass.

>>17078405
Imagine being filtered this hard.

Aristotle's Organon, Ethics, Rhetoric, Poetics, Politics, Physics, On Generation and Corruption, On the Heavens, On the Soul, Metaphysics.
Plato's First Alcibiades, Ion, Laches, Protagoras, Clitophon, Euthydemus, "Last Days of Socrates", Gorgias, Minos-Laws-Epinomis, Cratylus, Theaetetus-Sophist-Statesman, Hippias Minor, Meno, Republic, Charmides, Phaedrus, Symposium, Lysis, Philebus, Parmenides, Timaeus-Critias.

In the sense of the french revolution conservatives have been utterly defeated by liberals. Aside some reactionaries in France most conservatives have been poisoned by capitalism.

>>17078416
>f-f-f-filtered!
Imagine taking any of those assclowns seriously in the first place. Start with the Greeks.

>>17078441
Land btfo the Greeks.

>>17078461
>schizo BTFO'd some of the most respected thinkers of all time
Take your head out of your ass

>>17077836
Was Plato considered conservative by his contemporaries?

>>17078466
The Greeks are hardly even mentioned anymore because they've been outdone.

Only Plato gets mentioned because of stupid commies who resent Capital.

>>17078041
>the only response that isn't a cope
>zero replies

>>17078480
Their groundwork is fundamental for literally all of Western philosophical thought. Land wouldn't be writing his shitposts if it wasn't for their philosophical tradition.

That's the whole problem with accelerationist schizos. They have no respect for tradition. Fuck those cyberpunk-ass motherfuckers.

>>17077836
Yes there are plenty in Europe. All the ones who got cancelled for calling the COVID hoax. Try not being American and you'll find them.

>>17077836
Fascism happened and everyone reacted so hard against it that "the right" is reduced to types described in >>17077970 so that they can claim to be Not Racist and Not Fascist. Our society is based around reacting to fascism.

>>17078480
>the Greeks are only mentioned because they've been outdone
>Aristotle, whose logical system is literally the basis for all modern philosophy, isn't mentioned anymore
Underage and cringe. Read the Organon.

>>17077836
there are no "right wing philosophers". there are only right wing grifters

>>17078113

>>17077836
in economy departments

>>17078405
Tell me a real right winger who likes Milton Friedman.

>>17077836
After WW2 everybody who had any sort of right-wing sympathies had to wrap it in left-wing language. Learn to read between the lines.

>>17077970
>>17078041
> Mike Rowe singlehandedly convinced all conservatives not to study liberal arts

So conservatives left academia when liberal arts still meant a classical education, and not after it was changed to a progressive education whose goal was to undermine the former? This change happened in the 60s, around the same time as the OSS (proto-CIA) was hiring scholars like Marcuse and other Frankfurt school critical theorists to fight facism and soviet communism by spreading their "New Left" on campuses. The result was Critical Theory: an ideology which critiques Western Civilization from the greeks to WW2 and everything supporting it as exclusionary and oppressive. The required reading for liberal arts at many universities is this: a few months of the classics, then three and a half years of critical theorists, critical race and critical feminism telling you how awful and privileged they were. It's possible conservatives left after the quality went downhill, not before.

right wingers are inherently anti-intellectual

Most right wing intellectuals have reduced themselves to political commentary or working in economics departments to put bread on the table. Sad state of affairs.

>>17078349
and the best part is they wont know what they are rallying behind

>>17078876
Ring-wingers are the only intellectuals

>>17078405
Milton Friendman is a neoliberal.

>>17078225
Land doesn't count, he's doing a deleuzian LARP

>>17079110
Nick Land isn't queer or "leftist" or pretending to be an extremist libertarian. He really truly is. People just don't understand him. He considered the Alt Right a leftist position due to the populism aspect.

>>17079110
Is he doing a smeck or a lunk?

>>17078876
>Spengler, Mann and Jünger were anti-intellectual

>>17079165
They're not rightwing

>>17078113
This statement still remains unrefuted despite the myriad of cringe cope soijaks and discord tranny memes thrown at it

>>17079180
Read Prussianism and Socialism you retarded

>>17079196
*retard

But it wasn't
Buckley, admittedly an arch conservative, was complaining about left dominated universities in the fifties
Crews, left wing but not fond of "theory", wrote the pooh perplex in the early sixties and he pointed out that dominant Freudians of the fifties and sixties were the Trotskyists of the thirties and forties
Academia, generally speaking, operates under a madness of the ivory towers systems and a publish or die principle, as such, if something loosens the tongue (you can write lots and lots through its lens) and is sufficiently controversial with "common wisdom", it's going to catch on like wildfire
This is the primary reason why such ideas are very popular
Most conservative ideas don't really have that and are thus weak in an academic context
Just look at YouTube for something similar
You can write Marxist and Deconstructionist critiques of anything very easily
What would the conservative equivalent be? An analysis of sublime aesthetics in Shrek? A Catholic analysis of game of thrones?

>>17078113
>>17079189
Fuck you. My post >>17077985 literally gives you a list of conservatives and right-liberals.
Your reductionist nonsense is just that.

>>17077985
Add Sloterdijk?

>>17079268
Good addition, but I'll be honest, I haven't read much Sloterdijk, so I don't know if he would be conservative or right-liberal.

>>17078675
What film is that gif from?

>>17077939
T. Kill yourself tranny

Right-wing thought is either autistically rational and soulless or mystical to the point of LARPing.

>>17078041
Literally kill yourself or wait until someone doxes you and does it

>>17078280
separation of church and state

>>17077836
>Before the 70s academia was dominated by right wing authors even all the way to Nazis
what the fuck are you on?

>>17081314
When it's LARP or HRT what do you pick?
The answer should be clear.

>>17081581
>>17081315
>>17081308
butthurt /pol/tard hick lmao

>>17081581
speaking of autism

dude you can't even be part of academia if you don't pay lip service to whatever trendy shit they make up, now imagine people who actually have different views and don't just find the shaming and bullying annoying.

>>17078041
conservatards aren't rightwing they have no principles.

>>17078405
Land is a legitimate intellectual. Moldbug is okay but he's not up there with legitimate philosophers. the others are jokes yes

>>17081691
>Land is a legitimate intellectual.
lmao. look whos back

>>17078280
won't have to, everything goes in circles

>>17078113
>"duur the right is intellectual"
>"no they aren't"
>"duh yes they are, we turned universities into gay orgy hovels and they don't want to join"

>>17078113
>"duur the right is anti-intellectual"
>"no they aren't"
>"duh yes they are, we turned universities into gay orgy hovels and they don't want to join"

>>17081691
>Land is a legitimate intellectual
Yet you cry when his picture is posted in anti-intellectual threads

>>17081730
Yet you cry when his picture is posted in intellectual threads.

>>17078888
Checked.

>>17077836

>>17081818
I wouldn't call Taleb right wing
He is best friends with Ralph Nader, he positively references Marx and Foucault, he thinks Zizek is "charming and funny", he wants to abolish banks (not just the fed, ALL of them)
He is a decentraliser

>>17081841
>if you don't call out fraud when you see it, you are a fraud
They call him the Nietzsche of wall street, he is some sort of stoic skeptic greek orthodox christian, so much further from left than right. You think he is going to use your preferred pronouns? That he hates the personality types of CEOs and bankers is more about his moral faggotry bend.

>>17078872
It's for you, anon.

>>17077836
They were refuted in fair debate

>>17077836
Admittedly there aren't many, owning to the very hostile and ideologically conformist nature of the modern university. It also depends what and who you consider to fall under the broad label "right-wing".

An identifier we can use for "right-wing" could be an acknowledgement of natural hierarchies and a general opposition to egalitarianism and the dominate politics of modern universities.
Most of the people I will list also are not explicit "philosophers", and often cover untenable topics in academia like racial differences

>John Kekes, Alain de Benoist, Peter King, Paul Gottfried, Richardo Duchesene, Edward Dutton, Andrew Fraser and Kevin Macdonald come to mind


Like others I would also include Curtis Yarvin (Moldbug) formal academic position, he has and continues to have a big influence on contemporary dissident right-wing thought.

>>17077985 also lists some relevant people

>>17081841
based

>>17077836
What do you mean?

>>17081730
>schizos immediately assume I'm some random guy when I haven't come to /lit/ in weeks

Leftists are the revenge of the sophists and are intent as an order of counter-initiation to destroy every remnant link of the golden chain left in the world. It goes to show on this board the profundity of metaphysical discourse and genuine classical philosophy that mainstream '''''scholars''''''' hate as dead white male speak, is dominant. No one cares about gay French pedophile's rebranding of Protagorean trash other than trannies and reddit colonists

>>17078113
A bold but incorrect statement

>>17082521
every time

>>17082178
About what?

>>17078872
ironically enough it's conservatives' beloved market forces which caused the academy to warp this way

>>17081499
Incorrect.
The only solution is to have the Church as the state.
After a good spring cleaning in the Church.

>>17082015
Peter Hitchens as well.

>>17082549
I wish the left were sophists of Classical Greece.
At least then they'd be funny in their open threatening to beat up anyone who disagreed with them.
Now they're underhanded snakes.

>>17077836
Off topic but when did academia lose it's prestige? It could be my incorrect perception but it seems like in recent past it was universally praised. It's almost as if most people have lost faith in it. I really wish people didn't lose interest in philosophy either.