/lit/ - Literature

Bolo'bolo by P.M.

>>17212864
You have to be 18 to use 4chan

>>17212864
>>17212880
https://vocaroo.com/19gEJI4Sz9Bx

>>17212864
I don't know how anyone could think anarchism is a good idea in the middle of a global pandemic
>inb4 COVID restrictions are justifiable excercises of authority unlike authority of the capitalist state
Pure cope.

>>17212864
you have to be 18 to post here

>>17212933
My issue is that the authority in question is doing a terrible job dealing with the pandemic because they’re putting their own interests above everyone else’s.

>>17212864
Emma Goldman's autobiography is pretty damn engaging (though she's clearly a bit of a self-promoter). I don't know if it really counts as "anarchist literature," but Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia" offers a great account of life in anarchist Catalonia. "Anarchy's Cossack" is a worthwhile biography of Nestor Makhno, if you're inclined in that direction.

>>17212864
I love how these anarchist types are always also some sort of crypto commie faggots. Anarchism must be the most puerile and retarded ideology to ever exist

>>17213120
must anarchists are openly communist though.

>>17212864
Anarchism is retarded. Hiearchy is going to happen as natural outcome of human to human interaction, and inherently variability in abilities. There is no escaping it.

>>17213152
>anarchism is retarded because I'm a naturalist
pfffffft

>>17213166
>He ins't a naturalist
>He is scared of his animal nature

>>17213152
No half-sophisticated anarchist is against all forms of hierarchy. As Bakunin said, "Do I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of shoes, I defer to the authority of the cobbler."

>>17213192
in the matter of maintaining a stable currency while keeping unemployment low does he defer to the authority of the central banker? i'm thinking no

>>17213192
>No masters
>Cobbler decides if you get to walk or not
hmm...

>Want no borders or police
>Creates Chaz
>Ends up with borders and police

Woah... is this the power of Anarchism?

>>17212864
>edward abbey
that's literally it

>>17212864
What is Property? by Proudhon
The Unique and it's Own by Stirner

>>17213190
>he thinks naturalism is actually grounded in the so-called laws of nature

>>17212889
lmfao

>>17212864
no its all trash written for edgy teens

>>17213344
>He doesn't think so

>>17212933
>COVID restrictions are justifiable excercises of authority unlike authority of the capitalist state
No anarchist would say this

Why are we still on modernism? Modernism is over, not that anarchism was ever relevant on the world stage during modernism. I thought we all moved on to contemporary philosophy and not being apart of manufactured dissent, but I guess some people will always be retarded.
>>17212889
based carl

Isn't Agamben an anarchist?

>find existing literature that's critical of ANY collection of power, ignore what the author intends to replace it with
>call it anarchist

>>17212864
An anthology of that very name has a great sampling. (In two volumes)
My favourites are Bakunin, Kropotkin, Goldman and Malatesta. (Besides Stirner who only makes an case for the individualist’s agency)

>>17212933
The state-capitalist model is WHY we have have a pandemic. There’s no fucking reason we should be getting all that shit shipped in from China save for this idiotic economic system. Dealing with the pandemic you do need coordination, and yeah, a centralized government like China can do that fairly well, but a direct democracy series of communes can too

>>17213152
Hi. Anarchism is about challenging all unjustifiable hierarchies, it is not about abolishing them all. Write it down please.

>>17214125
>Hi. Anarchism is about challenging all unjustifiable hierarchies, it is not about abolishing them all. Write it down please.

Basically ''I don't have power, and I feel that I'd be better at being of the top of the hiearchy than the other guy, even tho you have zero reasons to believe as such, and everytime this excuse has been used for revolution it has always lead to worse regimes than the one before it, but please go ahead and fully trust me :3''

Mnah, chug some cum

>>17214125
based

>>17214298
No, not at all. Read some basics from Proudhon
Or just stop talking about the subject, because you know nothing about it.

>>17214394
lol you're one to talk, you cant even answer basic questions about how anarchist communes maintain their sovereignty

>>17214394
Sorry, but you are a tranny. I don't listen to people that make terrible life choices to understand jack shit about anything else.
Bye.

>>17212864
>Can anyone point me towards good Anarchist literature?
I’m sorry but it doesn’t exist. If you’re immature enough to find anarchism interesting, you should be having fun outside instead of shitposting

>>17214405
How does the current american republican capitalist system maintain its sovereignty?
>herb derp, military, diplomacy-stuff
It's not something you just explain - it's something you write a whole book just to scratch the surface of.

Anyhow it's hard to maintain sovereignty as long as you are not america, russia or china because they are going to fuck up your country as soon as you become independent from all three.

>>17214405
I answer it all the time. They’re all autonomous people and inhabit wherever they want. No one needs to attack another, no place bands together to attack another place. There’s a whole psychological shift when disposing of this economics system, anon.

>>17214413
Again, this meme has it backwards. As a little girl I had a moment where I felt god had made a mistake and that I should have been born a boy. I was scared my mother and family would hate me for being homosexual. I stopped thinking that way though. I embraced it, though it was my secret
(I believe this probably why there are trans people. It’s a sad thing)
So shut the fuck up.

>>17214298
come up with a better way to map the approach to the impossible than as the unknown

Atlas Shrugged

>>17214458
sorry but "because everyone will hold hands and sing kumbya" is not an actual answer, though it just dumb enough to make me believe you are in fact a real woman

>>17214458
>>17214458
>As a little BOY
Fixed your typo for you

>>17214458
>There’s a whole psychological shift when disposing of this economics system, anon.
I'm less optimistic. In a system with anarchism there would be much lower incitement to go to war because everyone would have their needs covered and there's no large governments scheming for hegemony but I think people would still find a way to kill each other, but then other people would organize to get rid of them.

>>17213522
He has a book on anarchism, don’t know what he says in it.

>>17214125
>The state-capitalist model is WHY we have have a pandemic
No we have a pandemic because china is an overpopulated country, and zoonotic viruses are caused by uneducated people who eat shit people weren't meant to eat. These are the same uneducated and virus spreading people who make up the majority of our overpopulated earth, and they will continue to make viruses because the more pigs there are in a pig pen the more likely pigs are to be sick. The beauty of our state and its economic structure is that we can mobilize our economy and public health facets quickly enough in a way that it mitigates the virus spreading to more people. The only downside of this is that less chinks will die because of our actions. The problem isn't the state, it's overpopulation and ideologically motivated pampered subhumans advocating for social democracy and humanitarian welfare to countries that make up almost a quarter of the global population. No democratic commune would survive, because no democratic commune would be able to suspend the average persons rights and make the necessary human sacrifice all geopolitical disasters incur.
>>17214394
>if there were a button I could press, I would sacrifice butterfly without hesitating, if it meant millions of people would die
>>17214458
>There’s a whole psychological shift when disposing of this economics system
Then how come the state benefits the most from anarchist rhetoric and other types of manufactured dissent? All you're advocating for is some humdrum out of the liberalist machine, liberal capitalism has already latched onto your ideology and it will never succeed. Not that anarchism was ever destined to succeed at anything other than ruining countries, killing innocent people, and making academia more annoying.

>>17214470
I don't have to, I have enough knowledge to see why Anarchism wouldn't work, but not enough to make a better one than Capitalism.

>>17214125

>>17214514
So. I’m a straight male who doesn’t buy into transgenderism. Can you stop calling me a tranny then?

>>17214520
Sounds fine. With an economy geared towards sharing, and a governance based of responsibility and cooperation, I think the human minds that are raised in that would fight less and less.

>>17214544
>No
No.
>the rest
Weakest backwards bs, anon. The idea is a complete sea change, a revolution. Fascism only brings state authoritarian capitalism. You gotta be LARPing

>>17214729
>Fascism
Not fascism, unlike you I don't care about outdated modernist ideologies and care more about the ecosystem than politics that only subsist on rhetoric and inaction.

>>17212864
Is that the Magic: the Gathering font?

>>17213152
>inequality in traits is the same thing as hierarchy
>>17214125
Or yeah just read No Gods, No Masters.
>>17214405
From outside invasion? Militias
>>17214544
>Not that anarchism was ever destined to succeed at anything other than ruining countries
No that was the German Bombers who destroyed Catalonia and the Bolsheviks who enslaved Ukraine

Proudhon:
>What is Property?
>General Idea of Revolution in the 19th century
Bakunin:
>Statism and Anarchy
>God and the State
Kropitkin:
>Conquest of Bread
>Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution
Emma Goldman:
>Anarchism and Other Essays
>My disillusionment in Russia
>Living my Life
George Orwell:
>Homage to Catalonia
>1984
Rudolph Rocker:
>Anarcho-Syndicalism

>>17212864
Lenin’s State and Revolution

>>17212949
so then you arent an anarchist.

>>17214125
>The state-capitalist model is WHY we have a pandemic.
No, flesh-eating is why we have a pandemic.

>>17214877
>AOC is going to press for a vegetarian initiative action committee to help stop the spread of pandemics

>>17214929
Is she vegan?

Imagine a /lit/ where butterfly gets no replies and is left to their own devices in every thread.

>>17212864
Tolstoy and Kafka were anarchists. Try them.

>>17214861
Forgot:
>The Soul of Man under Socialism by Oscar Wilde
>The Kingdom of God by Tolstoy

>>17214956
She’s a fraud. Like all liberals.

>>17214992
Kafka?

>>17214861
>>17215013
Is good list

>>17214729
>So. I’m a straight male who doesn’t buy into transgenderism. Can you stop calling me a tranny then?
But you just said you were a girl. See? No integrity. Just like a tranny. (Yes, you should ignore me. And no, I don't want to see your tits or your pussy).

>>17212864
Rothbard's The Libertarian Manifesto.
Freedom with prosperity, the way forward instead of looking millennia in the past like anarchocommunists want.

>>17215053
Wrong thread

>>17215057
No one asked you, tranny.

>>17215027
I got the butterfly stamp of approval

>>17215068
>No one asked you, dear sir or madam

>>17215018
>I always feel that such of these as are not abstainers from flesh-food have unstable ground under their feet, and it is my great regret that, when helping them in their good works, I cannot openly and publicly maintain what I so ardently believe—that the Vegetarian movement is the bottom and basis of all other movements towards Purity, Freedom, Justice, and Happiness.

>>17212864
When you realise that the slogan no gods, no masters only applies to the ones in charge

>>17212933
What pandemic? Do you see corpses in the streets?

>>17215174
>it’s not as bad as as my vidya games yet!