/lit/ - Literature

>>17266916
People are retarded
Propaganda works
What the fuck can you do

>>17266916
What does one have to do with the other? I don't think you actually read that book.

>>17266939
>What the fuck can you do

Exploit them for personal gain.

>>17266916
can i just watch documentary?

>>17266966
Sneed and purplepilled

>>17266961
Anything broadcasted as truth on MSM is likely a lie or a cover for something more sinister. You have read the book, right, anon?

>>17266916
Now read Walter Lippmann. The press does it by themselves, for themselves. Corporations are weaker than them. https://graymirror.substack.com/p/big-tech-has-no-power-at-all

>>17266916
The manufactured consent concerns precisely the acceptance of the voter fraud that most definitely happened. Trump won fair and square and will, within a week, turn the tables and punish the people who committed treason

>>17266916
CNN pretty much singlehandedly destroyed journalism.
CBS and NBC and NPR still practice good journalism (for the most part) but they are in the minority. CNN, Fox and a dozen more 'pop' news sources easily control how morons address the troubles of the world around them.

>>17267111
>CBS and NBC and NPR still practice good journalism (for the most part)

I'm quite simply in awe of this post being ont his site

>>17267149
He's regurgitating popular opinion and clearly hasn't read the book

>>17267082
>Trump won fair and square
yes
>and will, within a week, turn the tables and punish the people who committed treason
I have grave doubts, trump is a zog chump

>>17267082
>the voter fraud that most definitely happened

Every member of the Congress, every member of the judiciary, every citizen of the nation, is waiting for the proof of this. You kind of have to have it.

>>17267111
Holy cringe

>>17266966
checked

>>17267082
I’ve done my own research, I think CNN sucks, I’m not a Trump fan but I don’t hate him the way everyone seems to. I’ve seen zero evidence that he won the election. The most convincing argument is that mail-in ballots are inherently fraudulent, which is an extremely unconvincing argument.

>>17266916
Inventing Reality is the superior Book. Chomsky just gets Attention, because he is a handpicked Radical by the Establishment

>>17267033
That essay gave me boner thank you.

>>17267373
>The most convincing argument is that mail-in ballots are inherently fraudulent, which is an extremely unconvincing argument.

This is a bad argument, however, the worst argument I've seen -- which is usually used against Trump's accusations, or his followers -- is the 100% mail-in rate during counting in, where was it, Michigan?, for Biden. The argument being, "Trump said not to mail in your ballot; thus, no one did." It's unfounded to think that not a single of his voters would mail-in just because he suggested not to. Whether or not that incident will ever be fully investigated, who knows.

But, as an aside, there is manufacturing consent with regards to the simulacra imposed by such media. Whatever the reality is, I wouldn't trust news entertainment to show it to me.

I really liked Moldbug's idea (or maybe he got it form someone else) that the mainstream press is simply an extension of government. It is consistent with many othjer things I noticed but I never quite put it in such clear and comprehensive terms.

>>17268037
So the really baddies are the ones who control media?

There is certainly voter fraud in every election and if you think not you’re a dunce.

>>17267082
Are you willing to bet money on that?

>>17268042

As a psychiatrist, you're displaying classic authoritarian tendencies.

>>17268037
It’s an extension of government in the sense that they are institutions with shareholders and many people who have ideals and motives that they wish to reach with the help of partaking in elections, and in doing so they support which ever party by via lobbying or producing massive amounts of bad press to dominate the good press towards their enemies. I don’t particularly think the government controls them per say like a king would, but the system in place makes them act in that regard.

>>17268037
This is an old idea. News media is the fourth estate and all that. Marxists rightly understand the state as going beyond just ‘government’ and include much powerful private industry, including news media, to be a part of the state. It is a typical, but correct of course, idea.

>>17266916
It's great that the pseudo-radical Noam "vote for Biden" Chomsky inspires those sentiments in you.

>>17267111
>still practice good journalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1r2rdmWsPE

lol

>>17268071

Yeah, their relationship is often very chaotic. The media still has a specific profit goal, which is to draw eyeballs to their content to sell ads. Their direct political ideology, like being anti-communist, usually takes a back seat to the more common mode of operation, which is just maintaining views and maintaining access to sources of views. They play nice with the government to a degree because it gives them access, but they also occasionally pump up spectacle narratives and moral panic over certain pretty inconsequential issues in order to keep people watching. Politicians have a symbiotic relationship with this, using the media’s desire for views and their tendency to desire manufactured spectacle to secure their offices in government without having to actually commit to substantial and difficult policy. So they basically create moral panics and scandals around their opponents, both sides trying to paint each other as devils, and partisan voters flock to their team in order to ensure victory against the scary opponent that they believe is going to REALLY fuck things up if they get in. The media benefits with the views, and the politicians benefit from the kayfabe distracting from them not doing anything for their constituents.

But of course the unintended result of all of this that I think has begun to genuinely concern a lot of powerful people who like the status quo is that they’ve driven a lot of the public totally fucking insane. The mania around politics has made people believe all kinds of crazy fantasies about what is causing problems, and so the machine is trying to continue doing exactly what it’s been doing because it basically survives off of it, but it is trying to redirect it to more beneficial ends than the chaotic energy of the Trump term.

>>17268249
>Trump is Hitler so we need to take kids away from their parents with the police and put them into re-education camps
God I cant waif for the Civil War. When you grow up you read about how wars happen and you just can't understand how people get so angry that they organizing the fighting and killing of other people. Then you grow up and see evil for yourself and it all makes sense.

>>17266916
This is one of the worst kinds of book because it contains a great deal of truth but then uses that truth to convey a big lie that allows the problem to perpetuate itself. You're better off getting the idea straight from Lippmann instead of phony Chomsky whose whole argument concludes that he and people like him should be in charge.

>>17268538
>You're better off getting the idea straight from Lippmann
any recs?

>>17268249
>Project Veritas
Ignored.

Say anything you want about Trump, I don’t give a shit, he was right about Fake News.
The media is crawling with sociopaths and psychopaths who will gladly fabricate an entire story just support their agenda.
“Journalist” as a job position should be used exclusively as a honeypot to get dangerous psychopaths off the street and into a prison

>>17268509
Get outside. Wars happen because of Material Abundancy and not of Chomsky being retarded

>>17268574

>>17268538
Can you expand on this? I haven't read the book and I'm curious.

The lying kikes on CNN are reminiscent of 1932 Weimar. Guess they didn't learn from their mistakes the first time.

>>17268628
>Guess they didn't learn from their mistakes the first time.

Didn't your guys get annihilated in the End?

>>17268641
If Hitler came about in the internet age, he wouldn't have failed. A far-right movement won't fail the second time around. They'll literally have to shut down the internet in order to stop the truth from being spread.

>>17268616
I do not know what to tell you. You complain about CNN but then recommend garbage from a literal propaganda project. Do you people not reflect on your actions?

>>17268653
Highly doubt it. Everyone hates your gut and you can't explain the world in a way that makes sense

>>17268682
We'll see Levi.

>>17268665
Are you suggesting their undercover footage is a deepfake?

Or are you choosing to pretend it was never recorded?

>>17268697
Levi Ackerman? I wish...he is a superhuman. You could say...he is Aryan

>>17268722
I do not give a shit. Their footage is likely missing proper context and is edited to prove their point. Do not consume dog shit just because it agrees with your opinion. This scepticism also applies to that sort of content.

>>17268757
Context? It's high-up journalists being secretly recorded when they're speaking with their comrades. You haven't seen any project veritas have you? I don't know how you can hand-wave it away - you must be pissed it targets neoliberals?

>>17268609
The brains of children are a resource. You are low IQ.

>>17268782
No. I simply do not trust sources whose explicit, stated purpose is to publish propaganda against their "enemy". This is just common sense.

>>17268803
Reread what you've written. You're either contending that their footage is doctored, or that you stick your head in the ground like an ostrich because the source is partisan. Furthermore, are you so naive to think there's any significant difference between sources who are openly partisan and others who claim to be impartial? Last four years should've dispelled that childish fantasy

>>17268845
>Furthermore, are you so naive to think there's any significant difference between sources who are openly partisan and others who claim to be impartial?
Yes? Partisan sources are easier to disregard. It is harder to spot bullshit in impartial news sources.

Whether or not someone has a pretense of objectivity really should not be your first metric in deciding whether they're objective or not. Yes, this may make sussing out the bias "harder" for you, but this is because your IQ is probably 105.

>>17268653
Hitler's failure was already caused by a lack of advertising power you know.

>>17268796
Stop LARPing you faggot

>>17267234
The fraud has already been proven

>>17268559
Manufacturing Consent is based off of Public Opinion
>>17268621
Lippmann argued that society requires an expert class to collect, analyse and present information to the public and to the political class who would otherwise be too incompotent or too disinterested to do so themselves. This is people like Lippmann and Chomsky, journalists and academics. Unsurprisingly, Chomsky is in favour of this.

Chomskys book argues that this class is being corrupted from the outside by corporations who use it to exercise power. So either the journalists are manufacturing consent, or the corporations are. Chomsky wants to sell you the latter to draw attention away from the fact that he is arguing that people like him should have the power to manufacture consent. Because as Lippmann says: Whoever controls the mainstream, controls the state.

>>17267082
Voter fraud happened but Trump was going to lose anyway. He lost the White male racist demographic

>>17268037
>the mainstream press is simply an extension of government
Other way around. Although I guess it doesn't really matter

>>17267082
>Go to court
>Get slammed down in all of the court cases because you have no evidence
>Still claim it's rigged

>>17269293
But who controls the mainstream?

>>17267082
Seems unlikely he will do anything about it anon.
>>17267373
As someone who think voter fraud occurred, its very hard to prove something like that. There is always going to be plausible cover story. For example proving Enron was guilty took years of suspicious activity and was a massive undertaking. The plan for Trump was obviously to make a ton of claims and get a foot in the door so they could subpoena people. There is plenty of reason to think they should be given the ability to investigate further in Georgia at least. The statement put out by Sterling
>https://youtu.be/dEYvOTvqlFs
Was incredibly embarrassing to the state in the best case scenario and outright lies in the worst. He admits that he has no control over the process in Georgia (a leak happened at 6 am, running 4 hours late, nobody was told until 7 pm, lets all the monitors leave at 1030pm despite running behind schedule, the county got bitched out by the state at 11pm, counts votes for 2-3 hours in the absence of monitors.) And then proceeds to say that he had enough control of the process to ensure nothing was connected to wifi and that all the votes went through the proper chain of custody. Then he provides statistics from the beacon of transparency that is the DMV to prove trump wrong in le epic fact check. Honestly the whole speech was an embarrassment to the state of Georgia and any honest observer would conclude that every aspect of the Georgia election should be investigated, opening the path to investigating other states.

>>17269421
The press. Hiding in plain sight.

>>17266916
>Book explicates the insidiousness of mainstream media propopgandizement
>Anon's takeaway is people questioning the mainstream narrative must just be retarded

>>17266916
>Book explicates the insidiousness of mainstream media propogandizement
>Anon's takeaway is people questioning the mainstream narrative must just be retarded

>>17269532
But someone owns press

>>17269568
Yes but the mistake is looking at it like a monarchy where the king gives the orders and his servants follow. There are different ways for power to organize and coordinate itself as moldbug talks about here >>17267033

>>17269551
The "voter fraud stole the election" theory was manufactured by Trump in advance to explain his lack of mail in votes which would end up putting Biden over the edge. Any credibility his claim may have had was destroyed by the Powell/Giuliani/Qanon/etc portion of his camp pushing blatant misinformation and claims that he won without definitive evidence. Trump compromised American democracy and emboldened the far right.

Many pre election projections predicted that Biden would get more mail in votes, turnout would go up because of more access to mail in ballots during the pandemic, swing states like MI, WI, etc are more likely to vote due to knowing their vote matters more so anti Trumpers wanting him out in those states turn out more. Trump spread rhetoric about mail in voter fraud pre election despite mail in voting existing in multiple states without issue. Because of this his supporters would turn out on election day in person thinking the mail in vote wouldn't count, while Biden's voters voted predominantly by mail. In some states, mail in/absentee ballots are counted after in person ones. Trump had more in person votes but less absentee/early/mail in votes, which was predicted months before. This was because his supporters were less worried about COVID compared to Democrats and all the projections knew this would happen in advance.

Trump also claimed that Democrats tried to rig it against him in 2016, until he actually won that year, then he stopped making those claims. https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/donald-trump-election-2016-rigged/index.html
https://www.npr.org/2016/10/20/498713509/donald-trump-says-hell-accept-the-results-of-the-election-if-he-wins

He and his sycophants made claims without evidence that he was the real winner of the election and used their allied media outlets like OAN, Fox, Twitter, etc to spread misleading information to their supporters encouraging them to harass legislators and seize the capital in order to keep Trump in office. this is a manufactured conspiracy in the Trump media sphere to influence his supporters with lies. Chomsky himself is not a Trump supporter, very far from it, and would probably be more likely to agree with my view than a pro Trump one.

>>17268916
Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.

>>17269654
Im an esl so its difficult for me understand that article so basically press does this because it can?

>>17268757
are you sure this doesn't apply to PBS and other news outlets?

>>17268757
>muh editing
They just fired that guy so I guess their "editing" was just fine.

https://twitter.com/PBSPressRoom/status/1349059070901313539

the only thing that ever stuck with me from reading those neoreactionary essays on Less Wrong years ago was the idea that media is taking the place of the church in telling people how to think. The reason we have separation of church and state is because we don't want the state telling people what to think from the pulpit, but we're basically allowing that through mass media.

>>17269756
Is there a way to stop the influence of media?

>>17269727
Yes, journalists and academics are part of the upper class and are basically nobles. So they have their ideological motives, and they have the means and opportunity to take power through prestige and information control. So they do.

>>17268007
>It's unfounded to think that not a single of his voters would mail-in just because he suggested not to.
I agree that this is an anomaly, but it's more complex than just "everyone who voted for trump listened to his directive and did it for his reasons" There are certainly shades of influence, from folks who voted in person bc they don't care about covid, to people who voted in person bc they were worried about the post office losing their ballot. All this was part of a calculus that people used to determine if they'd vote by mail or not.

>>17269756
>Neoreaction
Now that is cringe

>>17268682
>can’t explain the world in a way that makes sense
But Jewish ethnonarcissism is the only thing that makes sense

>>17269768
Not him, but read it:
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/04/formalist-manifesto-originally-posted/

>>17268682
TRS is the only place I know that has given accurate takes

>>17269880
>TRS
What's that?

>>17267082
>Trump won fair and square and will, within a week, turn the tables and punish the people who committed treason
trump won but lel at turning the tables. the dem/elites decided they wanted to risk acceleration and may have just bought themselves more than they could afford.
>>17267111
>NPR still practice good journalism
good one anon
>>17267234
>Every member of the Congress, every member of the judiciary, every citizen of the nation, is waiting for the proof of this. You kind of have to have it.
what were the hours of testimony i sat through?
>>17267373
>The most convincing argument is that mail-in ballots are inherently fraudulent, which is an extremely unconvincing argument.
even without an organized effort to do ballot fraud, which there 100% was by activists/political operatives, some states under their own rules would have had to invalidate enough ballots to flip them
>>17268653
>A far-right movement won't fail the second time around
you don't understand what caused the earlier ones to fail
>>17268665
>You complain about CNN but then recommend garbage from a literal propaganda project. Do you people not reflect on your actions?
in not pretending to any concept of journalistic evenhandedness or impartiality veritas is superior to every other news or journalistic outlet around.
>>17269665
you're regurgitating multiple regime talking points on the matter so here goes
>muh pre election mail ins drumpf lied to his voters
picrel
>Trump also claimed that Democrats tried to rig it against him in 2016,
they did, that's why the dems sued to stop jill stein's recount in WI
>He and his sycophants made claims without evidence
there's plenty of evidence, the regime just decided it didn't count or was false, not because it was but because it was coming from enemies of the regime. also FOX refused to even give it coverage save for Lou Dobbs who was always an outspoken MAGA guy. FOX has always had the job of playing heel.

>>17267275
The only cringe is the abhorrent German in this meme.

>>17266916
you are not immune to propaganda
>>17266966
this

>>17269421
PR professionals.

Spin
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ligTrAYLpkoH/

>>17268911
*hardly
I should go to be.

>>17266916
ACAB and everything but also that attempted coup was really bad!

>>17267082
remember when the news was all over accusing trump of colluding with the Russians, then it turns out it was an intentional distraction the whole time?

>>17266979
The news never lies. It just draws your attention away from more important developments. The closest it goes to lying is whenever it inserts the word "alleged"

>>17270128
why would anarchists support a fascist coup?

>>17270128
>attempted coup was really bad!
it glowed

>>17269756
>lw
>nrx
Gaslighting leftypol tranny. You HAVE to be more subtle, this isn't facebook.
>>17268757
Lmao seething fucking leftypol tranny coming absolutely undone.

>>17268911
>Hitler expands to Poland

NOOO YOU CANT DO THAT!!! WWII IS GERMANYS FAULT BECAUSE WE HAD TO INTERVENE

>Israelis take over most of Palestine
This is fine

>>17270133
You think things wouldn't devlolve into anarchy if Trump got a second term? He'd be assassinated, the alphabet boys no longer want him. It's why he lost.

>>17270165
is /leftypol/ still owning real estate in /pol/s head?

>>17269928
im convinced this whole "conspiracy" is a lefty inside job to make the right look as stupid as fucking possible and they never imagined it would work this well.

>>17270191
>conspiracy
which one?

facebook and youtube currently censor anyone they can for the word election fraud

>>17270206
Damn you really are revolutionary. So proud of you

>>17270206
>dude trust me literally everybody in the entire world, including trump appointed judges, except for Rudy Giuliani is lying.
Jesus christ man take a look at yourself. Really ask yourself why you believe this, what you hope to get out of it, and if Trump is really even on your side.
You need help. Actual professional help.

>>17270178
when you launch propaganda operations you have to be more subtle with your lies. when everyone can tell you're blatantly lying to their face they actually start disliking you even more.

>>17269928
>Lou Dobbs who was always an outspoken MAGA guy.
found that guy yesterday, I was amazed to hear what he was saying on Fox of all places

>>17267111
>CBS and NBC and NPR still practice good journalism

bro cmon

>>17270165
>Gaslighting leftypol tranny. You HAVE to be more subtle, this isn't facebook.
god forbid I read LW or any political essay that isn't lock step with my own ideology.

>>17270226
Where can I find this?

election fraud happened

>>17270215
>>17270223
just stating facts, at any moment there are dozens or hundreds of conspiracies taking place
and Twitter, Amazon, facebook and google are all purging dissident voices on a huge scale this is public knowledge, look at the damage done to parlour
my views on trump are irrelevant to a discussion on blatant fraud and suppression of free speech

>>17269928
>what were the hours of testimony i sat through?

You mean the hilariously unbelivable shit like this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-campaigns-star-witness-goes-viral-after-making-baseless-claims-in-hearing/2020/12/03/02593cf8-9ca2-4d76-91e2-2552c6cd040a_video.html

>>17270238
>absurd non sequiteur to distract from blatantly absurd lie you just found out everybody saw through
everybody here knows lw and nrx is completely contradictory fucking desperate leftypol tranny. do more homework before trying to shill here again.

>>17270226
why is it that /leftypol/ types never remember that they are the first to get lined up and shot after every communist revolution?
Are they that dumb?

>>17270226
Link or didn't happen

>>17270263
>washingtonpost
come on now, you're better than this

>>17270263
>ignore mountains of credible evidence
>ignore blatant statistical anomalies and impossibilities
>focus media spotlight on one buffoon, set him up as strawman of all fraud allegations
>proceed to knock down strawman
>pat self on back and post a tweet congratulating yourself

https://hereistheevidence.com/

>>17270271
only an absolute fucking delusional leftypol tranny would ever think trying to associate nrx and lw would seem credible to fucking ANYONE here.
>>17270275
you really are a fucking retard. they should have sent you to 9gag instead, you're making a complete fool out of your people.

>>17270274
>implying this is limited to leftists
Just look at what happened with the leader of the local Nazi fan clubs once the Germans marched in.

>>17270294
Why can't you give me a link? I want to see it for myself, if they are plotting something

>>17270300
fascists are just another totalitarian socialist.
link?

>>17270300
>Fan clubs
They called them subversive controlled opposition, and they weren't exactly wrong if you look at it

>>17270336
>TOTALITARIAN SOCIALIST FASCIST NAZI AUTHORITARIAN AOC STALIN

Reatard

it's amazing how burgers need a book to realize that their sad overly comical joke of a news network is lying to them

>>17270355
Who was he talking about?

>>17270336
Don't have any links at hand, but many Austrian Nazi sympathisants were quickly transferred to places where they were "more urgently needed" after the Anschluss.

>>17269421
Capitalists

>>17270289
This fucking site links to joe blow tweets as "proof." You are a stupid person.

>>17270428
THAT JUST HAPPEN TO BE JEWISH

>>17270378
how would any average person have a frame of reference for what the truth might be before the spread of dissident ideas via internet?

>>17270463
Disproportionately but not exclusively. Bezos isn't Jewish. Control of the mainstream is a class distinction, not a race one.

>>17270472
>Disproportionately but not exclusively
To what degree and why?
>Control of the mainstream is a class distinction, not a race one.
Then why are jews so massively overrepresented as not only oligarchs but in institutions of power? You're just repeating a dogma that isn't true. Next up you'll contradict yourself by claiming the institutions are white supremacist.

>>17270463
It's imporant to remember that not all of the cabal are jewish and not all jews are cabal

>>17270449
>I am incapable of evaluating statistical evidence by myself
>I only trust what my overlords with academic sinecures tell me

>>17270505
Sure but the nature of the cabal is jewish and dominated by jewish interests

>>17270506
I already agreed with you that Jews are disproportionately represented in the uppermost classes of our society. The reasons are ones I'm sure you're already familiar with, relating to in-group preferences, tribal identification, and a facility with banking and interest honed for centuries and more. What I'm trying to impress upon you is that the existence of exceptions to Jewish control of mainstream public opinion indicates that race is not the pivotal factor, rather, that class is, with race as a strong corollary.

>>17270472
I worked bellboy for bezos' parents once.

>>17270531
Exception prove the rule and you're drawing the opposite conclusion because you're blinded by left-wing dogma.
>race is not the pivotal factor, rather, that class is, with race as a strong corollary
How can you look at the last 10 years of American politics and think this lmfao
What do you even think black lives matter is? >"misplaced class consciousness!"
lol

>>17270557
If you're too dumb to recognize someone making your case more intelligently than you are, and all you want is some pissy slap-fight, then just fuck off to /pol/, thanks.

>>17270449
>ignore mountains of credible evidence
>ignore blatant statistical anomalies and impossibilities
>focus attention on one buffoon, set him up as strawman
>proceed to knock down strawman
>pat self on back and post a tweet congratulating yourself

Thanks for immediately proving my point.

>>17270565
You're not making the case at all, you're muddying the waters by elevating class conflict over racial when that isn't the case no matter how much you wish. Railing against the rich doesn't get you fired from your job, offending minorities which jews use as proxies does. Nobody gets in trouble for being anti-rich, they get in trouble for being anti-semitic or racist. If you fail to understand and articulate this then you're not making the same case and you're in fact making the wrong one.

>>17270589
Your entire schema of fixating on racial conflict over class conflict is an example of identity politics, which is a wedge used by the upper class to prevent the lower classes from congealing together against them across the divide that actually matters. Congratulations, you played yourself.

>>17270515
>cabal
>kabbalah
yes

>>17270610
Racial conflict is a naturally occurring phenomenon because the various peoples of the world have hugely differing and sometimes conflicting cultures, histories, and genetics. I know this is a complexity of humanity that is inconvenient for your very simple rich vs poor narrative but that is the reality. Yes, it is used as a wedge, which is why introducing millions of invader minorities and agitating them against the native white populations is such a devastating and evil policy that the left refuses to criticize.

>>17270569
>hurr durr i believe these tweets fuk u

You've won nothing.

>>17270645
I accept your concession.

>>17270263
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-campaigns-star-witness-goes-viral-after-making-baseless-claims-in-hearing/2020/12/03/02593cf8-9ca2-4d76-91e2-2552c6cd040a_video.html
that's not even a story, it's a 2 min video and a caption that says "this person's claims are baseless". how is the shit baseless, how would they know? no one investigated the claims of the affiants. and based yooper IT mommy actually named names of election contractors who were acting fucky, why not look in to those people?
>>17270223
>muh judges
all the shit was dismissed on procedural grounds before any evidence was even looked at. judges avoid election cases. and the fact leftoids go to "even trumps judges" just betrays how they think about the judicial system as an instrument of power.

>>17270690
>all the shit was dismissed on procedural grounds before any evidence was even looked at

They were dismissed because you have to have allege a plausible claim, which Trump could not do. Twombly and Iqbal, nigga.

>>17266916
>Don't believe the media dude, question everything!!!11 BTW have you seen this Q stuff? Seems totally legit my pinkpilled friend

>>17270634
I told you at the beginning of this exchange that Jews have tribal ingroup preferences and that race correlates with class. I'm not the straw man race denier you so desperately wish to fight with, I'm just a smarter racist than you are because I read literature. Again, fuck off to /pol/ and play in the mud with your kind.

>voter fraud that most definitely
Maybe I am in the wrong board. Where is that evidence anon?

>>17270472
>Collaborators are proof against ethnocentrism

>>17270737
https://hereistheevidence.com/

>>17270737
Check out the link he posts. It's literally a collection of tweets. You can't make this shit up.

>>17270745
Again, I already said Jews have tribal ingroup preferences. That is also called ethnocentrism. No one is denying this. You guys seem to really struggle with reading and understanding posts. What Bezos illustrates is that billionaires have more interests in common via their class than a rich Jew and a poor Jew have via their race.

what race was Bezos' wife?

>>17270774
it's a crowdsourcing tool that presents a sortable spreadsheet that contains links to evidence

>>17268212
Biden was objectively the better option. Not voting is retarded.

>>17268722
Project veritas are full of shit. They selectively edit their videos. https://youtu.be/yJU0kheesnc skip to 48:13. His entire video series basically shows how they are full of shit.

>>17270781
Fucking cope. The US isn't a zionist power because it's 'run by billionaires'.

>>17270955
>They selectively edit their videos.
They routinely release full videos, a practice unlike any in the corporate media, all of whom exclusively use selectively edited videos.

>>17270962
The reason that you are unable to hold two kinds of conflict in your head at the same time—it must be race OR class, it cannot possibly be that both are involved in a dynamic—the reason for that is you're just dumb, anon.

>>17266916
they stopped teaching Plato in schools

>>17270982
Indeed, Lippmann even opens Public Opinion with a quote from the cave allegory.

>>17268062
As a genius, you’re a certified retard

>>17267033
Do you know of anything else like Yarvins writing? I am ashamed to say that I have a poor attention span but I've been glued to his blogs since i found him last week.

>>17270769
>https://hereistheevidence.com
Picking one claim at random:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pennsylvania-republicans-find-alarming-discrepancy-twice-the-margin-of-biden-s-victory/ar-BB1ckmZm

>Their analysis, released on Monday by state Rep. Frank Ryan and more than a dozen colleagues, found different vote counts when comparing Election Day data from counties and the Statewide Uniform Registry of Electors, or SURE, system used by Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar. They also raised suspicions about there being tens of thousands fewer votes in the presidential race than overall ballots

That looks really bad! But wait...

>Wanda Murren, a spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Department of State, told the Washington Examiner that the "so-called analysis was based on incomplete data."

Hmm

>According to the GOP analysis, county election results showed 6,962,607 total ballots were reported as being cast, while the SURE system indicated that only 6,760,230 total voters actually voted, which is a difference of 202,377 votes. The Republicans said this 202,377 gap, coupled with 31,547 fewer presidential race votes seen in county data, amounts to "an alarming discrepancy" of 170,830 votes, which is more than twice the reported statewide difference between Biden and Trump.

That's pretty bad again! But...

>Murren said the GOP legislators "have given us another perfect example of the dangers of uninformed, lay analysis combined with a basic lack of election administration knowledge." The spokeswoman for Boockvar said it was unclear what data was cited by the Republicans, insisting that the "only way" to determine the number of active voters from the SURE system is through the vote histories, which she stressed were not fully up to date.
>"At this time, there are still a few counties that have not completed uploading their vote histories to the SURE system. These counties, which include Philadelphia, Allegheny, Butler, and Cambria, would account for a significant number of voters," Murren said. "The numbers certified by the counties, not the uploading of voter histories into the SURE system, determines the ultimate certification of an election by the secretary."

>On the issue of whether there were fewer votes cast in the presidential race than for the election at-large, Murren said it is "quite common to have significant 'undervotes' for down-ballot races in a presidential election, particularly when there isn't a U.S. Senate race on the ballot." She pointed to the 2000 election when Rick Santorum received 200,000 more votes in his Senate race than George W. Bush got in the presidential contest, but the Senate race still had more than 100,000 fewer votes than the presidential race

Seems like your own source DEBUNKS itself. Do you know if Trump lawyers took this one to court?

>>17271013
He's not read any of these links. He just posts it because it's convenient and he thinks he doesn't actually have to do any work after posting it.

>>17270964
Whenever they release the full videos they look like retards.

>>17271086
They just got some PBS lolyer fired today and they didnt even have to release the full video. Anyone watching could see it was real, and action was immediately taken. Cope.

>>17271102
They literally regularly selectively edit videos, ruin people’s lives then the full video comes out and no one cares. The have been doing this since their acorn sting. They are a literal propaganda network.

>>17271134
>release full videos
>IT'S SELECTIVELY EDITED
>despite the fact it's a full video

This is the weirdest gaslighting attempt I've ever seen.

>>17270927
>Biden was objectively the better option
how?

>>17271143
He's just making excuses for his side. No point in arguing with people like that.

>>17271134
Propagandizing is what you're doing by endlessly repeating the phrase "selectively edited" despite knowing
A) they release full videos and
B) the rest of the corporate media does not.

>>17266916
Everybody cheats at everything this is how life works there has never been a democratic election in all of history that was free of cheating the winner is always the best cheater this has been true for all of history and will continue to be true

>>17270565
this

140+ IQ poster who read most classics both in philosophy and literature here. There was fraud and anyone who thinks otherwise has still a long way ahead of themselves.

>>17270610
Actually cringe pseud. Unironically kys

>>17271435
Let's be honest here, anyone going to bat against "righties" are either literal shills or useful idiots. There are lefties here who are honest enough to admit it was probably stolen and they just don't care - they hate Trump. You can explain to them all night that Trump isn't particularly hardcore conservative and they don't care - they buy in the left/right false dichotomy 1000%.

We call these people useful idiots, and they are beyond convincing.

>>17270972
Obviously both conflicts exist, but all countries and societies have rich ruling elites. This should also make it pretty fucking obvious that there's more to the problem with western elites than typical oligarchs, and that's where the ethno-religious divide comes in. I don't see why you have such a problem with this kind of critique beyond some garbage leftist priors or a bad optics strategy.

>>17271003
American Sun

>>17271563
>useful idiots

I thought all you Zoomers stopped using the phrase.

>>17271595
We've been using this phrase for almost ten years now. Lefties are useful idiots of the oligarchy that controls the United States, full stop.

>>17271533
Would you say that you're more 'mad' or 'seething?'

>>17271435
40 iq

>>17271628
>>17271637
>the US invaded Iraq because of 'rich people'
you need match up your ideas to how the real world actually operates

>>17270713
>They were dismissed because you have to have allege a plausible claim, which Trump could not do. Twombly and Iqbal, nigga.
none of the cases were dismissed on these grounds.

if you think trump won, you are schizophrenic. simple as that. you have a disease.

>>17267033
Good essay. Thanks for sharing anon.

>>17271647
Oh right, the classically Jewish "Halliburton" phenotype... retard. The rich laugh while you ape Kevin McDonald, like you're the first guy here who's read him.

>>17271668
the WASP-Jewish alliance is about a 100 years old and not a secret

>>17271668
>it was all just for MONEY man
They could've picked any country in the world to invade 'for the money and resources'. When leftists starting coming out with this shit like 'the military-industrial complex started the war' it reveals how little you understand about politics and war. If that's really what it was about, the US govt could promote war between two factions and sell weapons to both sides, there's literally no need whatsoever to risk all of their political clout and create a huge domestic and international controversy over fucking weapons sales, it's completely unrealistic. Meanwhile we have a country with a heavily jewish elite and much evidence of the involvement of jewish staffers, lobbyists, and of course the jewish press in starting a war in a country that JUST SO HAPPENS to be a hostile neighbor of Israel. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Here is a 270 page report on election fraud. Spread it to every single person you know.
https://wpcdn.zenger.news/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/24190822/2020-12-23-Sidney-Powell-Team-Binder-ZENGER-NEWS.pdf

>>17271729
>sidney powell

lmao i'll spread it to the psych ward

did chompsky ever talk about education?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/emxpSVew5qLP/

>>17266961
Shhhh...he is trying to manufacture consent

>>17271003
Yarvin himself draws on and reformulates the ideas of a variety of thinkers including Carl Schmitt, Antonio Gramsci, Thomas Carlyle, Pobedonostsev, Jacques Ellul, and Robert Filmer. I personally would also add Plinio Correa de Oliveira and Alasdair MacIntyre.

>>17271668
>its blood for oil man
If it was anything other than the jews, (its not) it'd be the poppy fields. That being said its obviously the jews. Reread the Great Gatsby. It features a catholic, a protestant and a jew fighting for the soul of America. Jews won that struggle and have been dictating American policy since the 60s. The new money, old money dichotomy imposed on the book is unironically disinfo and your life is a lie.

>>17268509
yawn

>after reading a book about how the US constantly interferes in elections and the process of "democracy" is basically a fucking joke, my conclusion is that democracy is cool and good and people who think the elections are bullshit are just getting trolled by fox news

how does someone get filtered by manufacturing consent, it's not difficult at all and yet here you are being retarded

>>17272834
go tell that to chomsky, the man who called the gop the most dangerous organization in human history

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/noam-chomsky-believes-trump-is-the-worst-criminal-in-human-history
https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-trump-is-willing-to-dismantle-democracy-to-hold-on-to-power/
https://www.openculture.com/2016/05/noam-chomsky-on-whether-the-rise-of-trump-resembles-the-rise-of-fascism-in-1930s-germany.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/noam-chomsky-republican-party-most-dangerous-organisation-human-history-us-politics-mit-linguist-a7706026.html

>>17272834
Trump is the one manufacturing a false narrative to maintain power

>>17272859
chomsky is a disingenuous faggot and has literally admitted multiple times that he's an optics/consequentialist fag therefore his shilling for neolibs should be taken with a heap of salt. manufacturing consent is still a good book, just don't bother taking his conclusions seriously.

>>17266916
/leftypol/trannies need to leave. You're not welcome here, you're not part of the board culture, and it takes a retard to fall for your duplicitous techniques.

>>17272864
>one man
>vs literally all of the media and big tech

It's like you deliberately ignored the point of this thread (i.e. manufacturing consent by using the power of the media)

>>17266966
>goes to hell
>oh well at least I didnt allow myself to care about the plight of the masses and mocked them instead

>>17273051
ive never been there
i just never fell for your rightwing schizo lies

>>17273176
a man who is the president of the us and has his own propaganda outlets

>>17273177
hell isnt real.

>>17273185
>a man who is the president of the us and has his own propaganda outlets
Like what? 4chan? Lmao.

Literally 100% of the media (even Fox) is against Trump right now, what propaganda outlets does he own exactly?

>>17273192
oan, newsmax, tucker carlson, breitbart, infowars

>>17273213
None of which are "owned" by Trump. So what is Trump again? Is he a billionaire pulling all of the strings or he is a bankrupt loser? Because he can't be the latter and own any media outlets.

Also, imagine trusting something like wapo that is literally owned by Jeff Bezos.

>>17273051
>>>/pol/
Go back to your board, kid.

>>17269732
No I am not. PBS selectively publishes news, just like any other press company.
I am pointing out the idiocy of trying to use Project Veritas as a legitimate source of anything.

>>17271668
You don't know how it works, do you?

>>17271013
>deboonks one link
>out of the hundreds listed

Great! Do it for the rest now.

>>17273453
>>17271682
I really have to wonder why the WASP establishment sided with the Jews. Were they really that afraid of Catholics?

Anyway, it seems like every major political dynasty has intermarried with wealthy tribe members at this point. All of Trump's and Biden's kids married out. Even Chelsea Clinton is actually Webb Hubbell's kid.