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I unironically think fitness in the sense of gyms, sports etc should be banned.
I think there should be a minimum requirement for health and fitness which should be overseen by a government agency but I think any fitness to the point of building unnecessary muscles should be stopped.

>>17382270
Westside barbell book of methods

>>17382287
Are you some sort of communist why the fuck should the government get to decide how muscular people get to be you goblin nigger

>>17382270
>this book cover
It's like having the death of Western culture being blared right in your face by a giant trumpet.

>>17382287
Fatty

>implying the opinions of nonlifters on lifting matter
>implying the opinions of nonrunners on running matter
Say what you will about BAP and his circus, but telling faggy jews to poast fizeek or fuck off is brilliant.

>>17382301
I'm not much of a bara guy but as far the cover is concerned he's pretty fappable. I don't see the problem.

It's kind of weird how physical fitness makes a good amount of leftoids seethe. Are most leftoids cardiobros?

>>17382287
Probably the gayest post in the history of this site

>>17382287
This

>>17382270
who's the retard who put the weights on the barbell backwards

>>17382326
It's an artistic pose. The guy is clearly meant to resemble Christ on the cross.

>>17382270
Are his feet stinky after working out?

>>17382330
Christ didn't lift.

>>17382287
We wouldnt admit it.....
But its what we were all thinking..... We all implicitly know...... Bodybuilding......leads one to/.... fascism....

>>17382352
Where's the proofs? It's very possible that Jesus was involved in the Hellenistic body building.

>>17382341
Probably not if he did it bare foot.
>>17382352
He was a carpenter, he definitely did.

>>17382312
Alt-reichtards are mad that Dr. Pronger exposed them as secret homosexuals. From his paper "Outta My Endzone: Sport and the Territorial Anus":

>Almost all competitive sports are segregated along the lines of gender. This means that the practice of competitive sport itself can have homoerotic dimensions: the contact of the playing field, the spectacle of the partially clad body, the steamy environment of the showers and locker room. I have previously written positively about the covert homoeroticism of men's sport, suggesting that it affords opportunities for homoerotic vision and contact that are desirable not only for gay-identified boys and men but also for those whose homoerotic imaginations have not become explicit, integrated aspects of their lives.

>In The Arena of Masculinity (Pronger, 1990), I argued that men's sport allows men and boys to exclude women and girls from their all-male environments, permits them to play with each other's bodies, to surround themselves with naked men in the showers and locker rooms, to enjoy that all-male contact, without suffering the vilification that usually comes from the open acknowledgment and pursuit of masculine erotic contact, the stigma of "being homosexual."

>I also argued that the well-known homophobia of competitive sport serves an important structural sociocultural function. It prevents the implicit homoeroticism of competitive sport, the pleasures of male bodies playing with each other, from proceeding to explicit sexual expression. That is to say, it maintains the panoptic line that must not be crossed if the orthodox masculine - which is to say the patriarchal heterosexual - credentials of competitive sport are to be maintained. In other words, the homophobia of competitive sport allows men to play with each other's bodies and still preserve their patriarchal heterosexist hegemony; they can have their (beef)cake and eat it, too.

Paper abstract:

http://jss.sagepub.com/content/23/4/373.abstract

>>17382287
>I unironically think fitness in the sense of gyms, sports etc should be banned.
Why?

>>17382341
nah m8 your looking for the neets wearing socks and shoes indoors all day

>>17382368
Some other relevant quotes from the paper:

>I will argue that competitive sport... is embedded in the masculine colonizing will to conquer the space of an "other" while simultaneously protectively enclosing the space of the self... In sex, it shows in the desire to penetrate the holes of others and the desire to resist having the same happen to oneself. In competitive sport, it shows in the offensive desire to get points for oneself by taking them from an opponent and to defensively prevent the challenger from doing it to oneself, or one's team.

...

>It goes without saying that a limp, shriveled penis is not effective in simulating the domineering masculine organization of desire. Given that no penis can live up to its phallic boast, no matter how swollen it gets, phallocentrism finds other ways to territorialize the body: innocuously, possibly, in body building, and more despotically in the territorial violence of warfare and competitive sport, for instance.

>Less boastful than the phallus, perhaps because of its embarrassing vulnerability or even more terrifying potential openness, is the phallus's companion, the protective side of phallic desire, the side that can repel or admit others into the space carved out by phallic aggression. The simulacrum of this other side of phallic desire, I suggest, is the asshole. It is the tightly closed orifice of the phallic conqueror, as well as the (perhaps) reluctantly opened orifice of the phallically conquered. Masculine desire is thus produced in the play of phallus and asshole. It simulates desires as both homoerotic and homophobic: homoerotic in its preoccupation with phallic intent, homophobic in its resistance to penetration. Masculine desire protects its own phallic production by closing openings, preeminently the anus and mouth; but just as important by closing eyes, ears, touch, smell, mind, spirit - in short, any vulnerability to the phallic expansion of others.

>>17382382
>National Hockey league player Sheldon Kennedy, fine example, has revealed that when he was a young man playing in the Canadian Hockey League, he submitted more than 300 times to the sexual demands of his coach, Graham James, who subsequently has been jailed for the offense. It has been widely reported in the media that numerous boys exchanged sexual favors for hockey tickets and other perks with employees of Toronto's Maple Leaf Gardens.

>It has also been revealed that there is widespread sexual violence in hockey club initiations. And the regular sexual exploitation of women who follow professional and semiprofessional male athletes in many competitive sports - in hockey, they are called puck-bunnies - is now frequently cited (Robinson. 1998).

..

>Since one's participation in competition indicates one's commitment to phallic potency and one's defeat shows one's anal vulnerability and therefore phallic impotence, there is humiliation in defeat, in being penetrated by one's competitor. In his novel, Ancient Evenings, the infatuated student and lover of masculinity, Norman Mailer (1983), describes the humiliation of penetration, when the character Meni is penetrated by a male god: "The last of my pride was gone. . . . For I have never known more shame in the days that followed. . . . I was not like other men, although I felt more of a woman" (pp. 288-289). Being opened to the penetrations of phallic desire is feminizing, which in patriarchal culture is humiliating.

>Because the 'insult' of penetration is part and parcel of every competitive game, there are psychological strategies that help participants weather the denigration. It is called 'being a good sport.' Which is to say that one acknowledges defeat in the game, while refusing to acknowledge one's manifest feminization in the same. The expression, 'take defeat like a man,' means: maintain emotional closure; don't let it show that your phallic esteem, your phallic self-worth, has been penetrated, that your emotional vulnerabilities have been probed; there's always another game, another chance to show your phallic and anal power.

>Indeed, the ultimate defeat, which is to say the ultimate feminization, is to be seen crying at one's defeat - the only sport where such emotion is tolerated is the most feminine of sports, figure skating. Another sportsmanlike strategy is to deflect attention from one's defeat, from one's diminution, by admiring the phallic skill of the victor. This valorizes the phallic project by de-emphasizing the anal violation.

>>17382391
gods I wish that was me...ugh....

>>17382373
I think basic fitness and health is fine and should be encouraged.
Obsessive pursuit of aesthetic is dangerous. It has been outlined how competitive sports are too strongly linked to homosexuality.
I think that should be enough of an explanation.

>>17382368
>Secret
jej nah, I embrass my flaming queerosity.

>>17382368
>>17382382
>>17382391
>Do people play sports because they're fun and being better than someone else is rewarding?
>No, it must be latent homoeroticism and [300 pages of perverted interpretation of sports from a pervert]
I mean sure, some men may enjoy sport because they are closet fags or whatever but projecting this over most people that enjoy them is retarded
t. faggot

>>17382312
There are lessons that one can learn through physical fitness. Especially body building. Hard work, personal responsibility, and perseverance to name a few. A person can look at their body and see the results of the hard work. Some take it a step further and apply it to the world as a whole. Making every victory or defeat a matter of how much effort you put in. People on the left who hate this because the view all success and failure as something outside the control of individuals and entirely based on societal factors.

>>17382307
I'm not talking about the naked guy, but about the text and the implied mentality, "salvation through lifting".
That we have such a deep spiritual need for salvation from our technology-addled society and yet that we commonly find no better path to it than getting even deeper into the technologically-enhanced, spiritually-deprived performance rat race, complete with consumer-centered fascism (that is to say, no fascism at all, not that the rise of interest in fascism speak highly of those involved) is profoundly, unspeakably depressing.


Cultivating your body is fine but the /fit/ mentality is unironically for insecure faggots. The meme fascism on top only makes it more cucked.

I guess if it helps people take back some control in their life it's fine. Still pretty bleak that this is close to the best our popular culture can come up with.

>>17382418
The point is that you don't know why you enjoy these sports as a man.
You watch for fun, you think it is the thrill of the competition but, as has been documented, you are chiefly watching to gaze upon the male form in a setting which freely allows such admiration where typically you'd be punished for that same level of attention being given to muscular men.
Basically, you can be gay in front of your wife because its just football.

>>17382417
how fucked do you have to be to jerk off to photos of st.sebastian?

>>17382287
>I think there should be a minimum requirement for health and fitness which should be overseen by a government agency
Based
>but I think any fitness to the point of building unnecessary muscles should be stopped.
Cringe and dyel

>>17382367
He didn't lift, he worked. Different thing.

>>17382438
I've never watched sports though, they're just fun to play. pretty sure it mimics a hunting or group fighting dynamic

>>17382418
Enjoying sports is not gay, but lifting is a particularly narcissistic physical activity, there's no play involved, it's not even merely about health, it's an autistic commitment to looking ripped.

>>17382381
are you trying to say I have stinky feet?

>>17382441
A million times less fucked than cooming to some porn slut. That type of art is human beauty amplified to the maximum the medium allows.

>>17382472
a)it feels good
b) so what if it's narcissistic? it is a lot more enjoyable to have girls clearly attracted to your body

>>17382477
My brain cant imagine anime feet smelling like anything other then cleaning products

>>17382493
welp looks like I just got high grounded for cranking it to whoers

>>17382438
And who told you I do not know why I watch them? Does the prospect of someone partaking in tribalism in a controlled environment seem unlikely to you? And in the case that it is admiration over the male form, what makes you think it is remotely close to sexual? Your assertion depends on so many layers of assumptions it is in the realm of fiction, and if someone does indeed operate the way you delineate, they are probably an incredibly small portion of the population compared to normal people. In fact, I'd be willing to bet the only people who watch sports and are the way the author delineates are the author himself and the 30 people that agree with him.
t. faggot (again)

>>17382472
And what's wrong with wanting to be as beautiful as possible?

>>17382512
>my desire to watch is purely primal
>it is existing at a subconscious level
Much like the homosexuality that is existing just beneath the level in sports.

>>17382511
Good.

Now I got some sick wwii smut images that I can give you to refine your taste.

>>17382524
What about people who lift to the point where they look grotesque?

>>17382287
Unbelievable how based this fucking post is

>>17382352
He lifted a cross on his shoulders 4u

>>17382287
Anglo hands wrote this post

>>17382531
sorry straight men will forever be stuck in the traditional fembody, dickgirl safety zone
the greeks, the Persians; its an ironclad barrier

>>17382497
>so what if it's narcissistic?
Nothing, but like anything it has its excess, and in this case the excess are looking pretty gay (just look at /fit/). I'm not anti-lifting but I can where the gay accusers are coming from (not that being gay is wrong).

> it is a lot more enjoyable to have girls clearly attracted to your body
Sure but I doubt that's the main motivation, since you very quickly hit diminishing returns. Girls don't really care whether you've been lifting for 3 years or only for 6 months. I some case an excessively ripped body can even put them off.
Source: talked about it with some girlfriends.

>>17382306
>Say what you will about BAP and his circus, but telling faggy jews to poast fizeek or fuck off is brilliant.
It makes them seethe every time, and each time they try and fail to hide it. All you need to say is "yeah cool but post body" and they have a meltdown.

I'm not sure who needs to hear this,but lifting is inherently masochistic so I'm not sure why there's so much controversy when someone suggests that on top of being masochistic, lifting is gay.
Same thing goes for any sports....but it's most obvious with bodybuilder types.

>>17382528
>ignores the other points
So what makes you so sure that there is a subconscious homosexuality in sports other than your assumptions and perverted interpretations of sport? Every point the author raised towards a homosexuality in sports related activity is just a perversely interpretation of actions that have a perfectly normal explanation (watching sports, read my other post; locker room, changing clothes and showering; physicality, it's a fucking sport)

If you look at a sport and you only get your head filled with cock and touching men, it is more a reflection of yourself rather than what every other person sees, and your only arguments for everyone thinking the same way you do is just "because it looks to me that way!"

>>17382582
>I'm not sure who needs to hear this
1/10 you lead too heavy, pay attention to the other rage baiters itt they buried the lead a bit

>>17382535
Well that's pathological and a minority

greek explanation why you should lift: it's healthy for you. you get to explore your body's potential. never know when you need the strength. very practical and working out with friends gives one to bond with the community

modern explanation: either complete narcissism or pseudo intellectual faggotry

that's the degradation of our culture.

>>17382582
>Same thing goes for any sports
sports give you the thrill of victory which is something losers who never participate in gym class won't ever get to experience. Sports are at the level of sadism (if anything) due to thrill of beating your opponent.

are you guys implying that cardio is masculine?

>>17382597
your inability to finally be done with the dopamine fix of 4chan is a degradation of our culture. stop laring, fag.

>>17382571
You can't trust what girls tell you, get muscular and then observe how they actually behave around you

>>17382590
Are you alright?

>>17382524
Past some point, obsessing over your physical appearance becomes unhealthy. Of course there is no saying you will go past that point, but there's no ceiling to "as beautiful as possible".

>>17382606
"calmer than you are, dude"

>>17382601
absolutely. as soon as man chased a beast he ran against his brothers for sport. the greeks held running competitions alongside boxing, pankration, and other stuff.

>>17382352
the cross was like 400 pounds, dude must have been massive.

>>17382602
4chan is a sort of community. this idiotic sophistry touting lifting as some sort of spiritual experience would have been regarded as vulgar.

>>17382609
>Past some point, obsessing over your physical appearance becomes unhealthy.
Yes, but you haven't gotten to that point yet. In fact you've barely begun you dyel.
>>17382601
Training sprinting is masculine.

>>17382609
Sure but going to the gym does not make you go past that point. Nothing wrong with the average gym goer.

>>17382627
>4chan is a sort of community.
KEK the things you tell yourself to justify your navel-gazing hypocrisies. stop coping any time you dopamine whore.

>>17382628
all running is "masculine". long runs holding equipment would have been a necessity for any standing army. chasing beasts is obvious; and foot-runners would pass on information for miles and miles under the romans.

runners even had their own traditional god: mercury/hermes

>>17382641
I already lift fruit-cake, but I don't pretend it's worth more than it is. it's a fun hobby and good for you, nothing else.

>>17382287
Yes, I WILL continue doing parkour whether it is legal or not.
Yes, I WILL climb on your walls.
Yes, I WILL trespass on your private property.
No, I WILL not stop even when I say I will.

>>17382627
>this idiotic sophistry touting lifting as some sort of spiritual experience
It's Nietzschean in that it's based on life in the world and maximizing strength. Do people really argue that it's spiritual? Or do they just argue it's philosophical? Obviously there is a spirit of persistence and endurance needed to do any exercise though. You can't dispute that.

>>17382604
It's not only conversations I've had, but also conversation between girls I've overheard at restaurants over the years, back when going to restaurants was still a thing. In those conversations spending too much time at the gym was often portrayed as a sign of self-centeredness and not viewed favorably.

Girls like men to be decently muscular and fit, but they rarely care for a Schwarzenegger type. I have a friend who once cockblocked a guy because he was too ripped. They were about to fuck but when they undressed she felt so fat and ugly next to him that it instantly became awkward, and she couldn't do it.

Basically girls are extremely perceptive when it comes to self-image, and contrary to what you may think the more muscular is not always the better in that respect. Don't be a shrimp, sure, but don't aim for The Rock either (if the aim is to get girls, hence my suspicion that lifting isn't really about girls).

>>17382653
i never at any point said anything about it being spiritually exalted, you are editorializing on my behalf. though i also have no issue with those who espouse this either. not everything needs to be passionless utilitarianism.

>>17382597
>modern explanation: either complete narcissism or pseudo intellectual faggotry
Young men are doing this because they have no set rites of passage into manhood. You can hardly blame them.

>>17382287
I think people like you should be publicly executed. Haha :)

>>17382566

>>17382597
Greek had to lift because they were soldiers, farmers, oarsmen, athletes and physical workers.
A lot of lifting among the contemporary youth is done without connection to others sports and outdoors activity and mostly for the sake of peer approval. In particular it's entirely dissociated from the well-being of the community (while for Greeks being in shape was a citizen duty). Therefore the accusation of narcissism isn't unfounded (see also: instagram).

To put it another way, the degradation of modern culture is manifest no in the explanations, but in the actual practices and motives behind lifting.

>>17382584
Notice how OP just ignored this post

>>17382706
Please disregard the top part, just took the first image in google search, lol.

>>17382434
post body

>>17382680
>she felt so fat and ugly next to him that it instantly became awkward, and she couldn't do it.
fucking retarded musclehead can't conceive the idea that women actually find it ugly and repulsive, which they do. women generally like slim and fit, and good shape to your body which cannot be changed with muscle building, not bulging muscle. only those into muscle building and gym culture like yourself will think otherwise.

>>17382728
>only those into muscle building and gym culture like yourself will think otherwise.
i meant to say women into this will like it, sorry.

>>17382728
so in other words, women still like guys who work out. protip: if they're skinny and have a six-pack and decent biceps they're doing some form of routine, fatboy.

>>17382728
>dyels actually think this

>>17382628
>Yes, but you haven't gotten to that point yet. In fact you've barely begun you dyel.
I'm not part of your club, find someone else to LARP as a gym teacher with.

>>17382637
Sure, I'm not talking about the average guy, more about the mentality (and really the mentality displayed in the OP book cover, so the marketing/assumption aspect behind it).

>>17382709
>In particular it's entirely dissociated from the well-being of the community
Because their communities are globalised, digital, and disassociated from THEM. Most of these young guys are struggling to even afford their own homes because waves of cashed up foreigners are pricing them out of their own markets. Their own communities have overlooked them and passed them by in favour of foreign money, and you have the gall to lecture about "the well-being of the community"?

>>17382745
>I'm not part of your club, find someone else to LARP as a gym teacher with.
damn bro you're so well-adjusted and discerning that's why you're arguing with strangers on the internet again

>>17382287
haha wouldnt it be funny if government nerds tried to do this and the jocks just ripped their heads clean off their bodies lmao

>>17382287
lol what the fuck is this post

>>17382739
>>17382740
i'm this guy >>17382662
should i have a go at lifting bros? i don't want to overdo it and ruin the efficiency of my body. i'm concerned it will just give useless bulk.

>>17382735
>i meant to say women into this will like it
Yes that was kinda my point. Only a specific kind of girl really like the super-ripped guy. Although in my example the guy wasn't that bulky.
>>17382739
Point me to a post that denied this itt. But this is besides the point, having a physical day job and watching your diet is enough to have six-packs and decent biceps.

>>17382794
stick with free weights. look up advice on specific compound lifts (nippard is OK for bench press, deadlifts, squats, etc). that's about it.

hard to "ruin efficiency" of your body with free weights

The levels of cope itt are unreal.

>>17382795
>having a physical day job

sounds like a cope. someone with a six-pack and biceps will probably be doing some form of ab exercise (ab wheel is a staple) and sets of DB for biceps.

I can tell you don't lift because you seem to think doing compound lifts will make you look like arnold; but in reality you need to be a gear-head for that kind of shit.

>>17382287
Incredibly redpilled post.
Mandated fitness and health is a top tier idea.
And that mindless pursuit of an aesthetic should be frowned upon.
I didn't think I'd ever see something so based here and the reactionary seething muscle admirers totally missed the point.

>>17382794
You don't even need to lift if you don't want, you can just do calisthenics. But if you're doing parkour you might be better off being lighter, I don't know shit about parkour.

doing olympic lifts will help with your jumping ability though, it increased my standing long jump a bunch in like 2 months

>>17382662
god I love these pictures

is obviously some fatty with insecurities.
How much of a control freak do you have too be?

>>17382753
>you have the gall to lecture about "the well-being of the community"?
Not sure what this and the rest of the post has to do with mine honestly. Yes, people are atomized, and this is reflected in the way they approach lifting, which is why criticism of contemporary gym culture might not apply to the Greeks. I never said it was solely the responsibility of the 20 something on instagram, but they are certainly a prime example of why this criticism is relevant. Is this what you are disagreeing with? What are you disagreeing with exactly?

>>17382764
>damn bro you're so well-adjusted
Show me even one sentence where I imply this. You keep trying to make this about me. But it isn't. "Look you have problems to" isn't an argument, especially since I wasn't aiming at anyone itt in particular (except OP for being a faggot, but that's a tradition).

>that's why you're arguing with strangers
Do you know a single person between age 20 and 35 that has never argued on the internet with strangers? It's long stopped being a specific shut-in thing.

>>17382352
jesus was fucking ripped idiot didnt ya ever read the bible

>>17382869
>is obviously some fatty with insecurities.
It always is.

>>17382823
>sounds like a cope
Cope for what?
>someone with a six-pack and biceps will probably be doing some form of ab exercise (ab wheel is a staple) and sets of DB for biceps.
Okay, sorry I overstated my case, my point was you don't need to go full Mishima mode to be decently fit, and people who go full Mishima generally have motivations beyond basic good shape or even getting girls. People who say "you still need exercise to be fit" (no shit, who would've guessed) are just arguing past my point.

>I can tell you don't lift because you seem to think doing compound lifts will make you look like arnold
I'm the guy who's arguing it's not necessary or even really useful to try to "look like arnold" since the beginning. But there's a gulf between "six packs and decent biceps size" and arnold tier building.

>>17382940
>Cope for what?

Cope for not following a routine. "active physical day job" is not comparable at all to an actual routine.

>are just arguing past my point.

well, when you say "just work physical day job", people who actually lift are bound to call you out.

>>17382352
>implying

>>17382287
With the help of heaven,

The anon is on to something.

>He delighteth not in the strength of the horse: he taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man.
-Psl 147:10.

Fact is body building is a form of idolatry or just plain hedonism which leads to the same thing. All the problems we have in society today can be traced to idolatry or defying God's will. It doesn't take a genius to understand this. You just have to be honest and read the Bible and not buy into the idolatrous lie of the roman testament.
Of course we should all be healthy but idolisation of the human form is a retardation of human development. This is why we should strive to realise our Divine image.

Do all the copers ITT look similar to this?
Just wondering.

>>17382959
>Cope for not following a routine
I know why I don't follow a routine, why would I need a cope?
> "active physical day job"
Kek I'm a STEMcel and unemployed since this month. For the third time this is not about me, don't know why people have to jump on that assumption. I don't even lift, I don't particularly want to, I've never been fit, but I have never been fat either (probably under 130 lbs at my fattest). I'm just saying lifting to us is not what it was to the Greeks, and that's it's wrong to assume that the more ripped you get the better girl like you ("disminishing returns" is how I put it).

>well, when you say "just work physical day job"
I already answered to that part, I even said I was wrong to put it that strongly. In fact the sentence you quoted was answering for something entirely different ("being decently fit and being ripped like arnold are different things which I'm sure you agree with).

>>17383022
Without being Catholic I can somewhat get behind that argument. But I woulnd't make it a law, just like overeating shouldn't be made illegal but be culturally discouraged.

>>17383026
I wish I was as imposingly masculine as this majestic bear.

>>17383047
>I don't even lift, I don't particularly want to, I've never been fit
Not that anon but you need to just stop posting at this point. You're coping yourself past Event Horizon. No one cares what you've read in a few books, pick up a dumbbell or something you preening pseud.

>>17383065
>Not that anon but you need to just stop posting at this point.
Heh, someone itt is almost arguing we should outlaw gyms, so I'm pretty mild by the standards of this thread. However, 4chan is a huge waste of time, so I might as well take your comment to heart. Good night.

>pick up a dumbbell or something
I won't, but thanks for caring.

>>17383022
Christianity is the idolatry of the cross; it is the fetish of effacement and weakness.

>>17383103
>I won't, but thanks for caring.
Your choice. I can't force you to have a physique commensurate with that of an adult male if you don't want it.

>Lift weights
>Testosterone goes up
>Feel better in general

Why does this make fat leftoids seethe so much?

>>17383026
Probably. A person who's in shape would never spend so much time arguing against maintaining good physical health. They're just playing the same transvaluation games that women participate in; i.e. I shouldn't have to improve myself to high standards, the standards should be made lower to accommodate me.

The funny thing is that lifting and working out is one of the easiest things to succeed in. The path to success—barring some kind of serious injury—is extraordinarily linear. You put in the work, you get the reward, simple as that. It's not like launching a business venture or writing a book where even if your work is superb you can still fail due to random circumstances (a pandemic, say, or poor timing) and have nothing to show for it. Physical fitness is simple: you do the activity, you keep doing the activity, and you reap the reward. Anyone who says otherwise is merely making excuses for their own inability to motivate themselves to do what is an extraordinarily basic and uncomplicated activity that has numerous benefits.

>>17382312
>most leftoids cardiobros
They used be a long time ago. Now most of them would be out of breath walking a block. I think it's a general decline in basic fitness, but leftist activists used be the ones who could most consistently sprint a mile and run four more, while now most any activist including the right will think 5k is big.
20 years ago is the last time left=cardio would have fit. Though I have to say to lifting bros they should do some basic cardio because it improves overall health and oxygen saturation.

>>17382709
>In particular it's entirely dissociated from the well-being of the community (while for Greeks being in shape was a citizen duty).
counterpoint: fit men ruthlessly bullying unfit men into getting fit is not only contributing to the well-being of the community but also an aspect of their citizen's duty

>>17383189
working for your own benefit is anti comminist. not being a bitch is similarly anti communist.

>>17382287
This post is Schopenhauer tier in its baseness and y'all simple fags can't comprehend what he is saying.
Fpbp

>>17383506
>ruthlessly bullying
actually strike that, I would say "compassionately bullying"; ruthlessly bulling is a bit much. you want it to be ultimately constructive.

>>17382438
>Dont know why we watch these sports
>Enjoy action films for surrogate action
>Enjoy adventure films for surrogate adventure feelings
>Enjoy Hockey to watch some people beat the shit out of each other on ice
>Watch other sports because seeing people in peak physical form compete is a surrogate feeling to help people forget they're couch potatoes
But no, even with the myriad reasons people know why they watch sports, this fucker has to pretend NOBODY KNOWS and they link it to homoeroticism.
Looked into the guy to see if he had the star, but nobody cared enough to do a bio. His old Twitter called him a professor of "Sexual Diversity Religion" so close enough.

>>17382287
I feel your point, and point taken.

>>17382287
>19 replies including this one
Best (You)/effort ratio bait I've seen in a long time

>>17382306
Post face is better tho

>>17382368
Plato already warned about this.

>>17382706
that pic is like three (if not four) layers deep.
what even is the point of making such a meme and share it outside of the specific clique it was intended for?

>>17384136
Honestly some memes are getting to the point a paragraph or two would be needed to explain them to an outsider.

>>17384107
naw, against the rules on most boards which gives them an excuse not to. post body leaves no alternative.

>>17382368
Oh no athletebros we got too cocky

>>17382287
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE QUINTESSENTIAL SÖY POST

>>17383022
oh look a Francis catholic IMMEDIATELY SPREADING HIS ASS CHEEKS TO COMUNIST PEDOPHILE SATANIST
ANTIPOPE ANTIPOPE ANTIPOPE
I WISH FOR A WORLD WITH NO FUVKING JESUITS

>>17382287
But why?

>>17382270

>>17384526

>>17382287
based beyond belief

I lift because I've realized the hard blackpill that people don't respect you unless you're physically fit. I don't think you have to be some perfect Adonis, but if you're put into a leadership position and you're a skinnyfat that can barely bicep curl 30 pounds (me), people at best will listen to you because they're afraid of whoever put you in charge, and at worst will just ignore you

>>17384670
real shit

>>17382287
absolute lowlife tier

>>17384670
>blackpill
clearpill you mean, it means people are still fundamentally based and can actually instinctively tell the difference between bullshit and a real leader.

>>17384670
what a way to admit that you got a bottom bitch personality. Men that lift is like girls with implants. It's a great indicator that they lack confidence and have issues.

>>17382287
>if I drag everyone down to my level, I won't have to improve!
Fatties should be ground up for fertilizer. The are physically, morally and mentally repulsive.

>>17384748
this but unironically

>>17384741
no kek, it's quite litteraly the exact opposite of chicks with implants go seethe somewhere else fatso lol

>>17384757
stay mad bimbo. Im sorry your dad didnt love you

>>17384670
Don't know much "blackpill" people but avid readers of pessimist philosophy have some vague sense of aristocratic pride on the face of death. They won't give a shit about you.

>>17384767
my dad raped your dad in prison and your dad asked for more

>>17384773
that school yard mentality is exactly what you can expect from someone with low self esteem. I guess i understand why you need to lift to not feel pathetic.

>>17382270
>>17382287
Fitness in general is a modern religion. You don't hate christians for their beliefs, right /lit? Why would you hate fit people?
People are repeating the same action again and again every day with hope of improvement while having no proof that their limits can actually be surpassed. Just like religious people have no idea whether their god is real - they have to suspend the disbelief.

There is nothing wrong with religions btw.

>>17384782
lol you talk like a fag and your shits all retarded

>>17384782
you are just experiencing PTSD for all the time Chad imprisoned you inside the Locker as Stacy laughed and masturbated to your desperate screams.
They were right, your company is intollerable and being closed into the locker is exactly what you deserve. God bless bullies.

>>17384788
>You don't hate christians for their beliefs, right /lit? Why would you hate fit people?
fat disgusting commies like >>17384782
that clearly weren't bullied enought in school obviously hare Christians exactly for their beliefs.

>>17384741
What does "having issues" and "lacking confidence" mean? Is there such thing as confidence by itself? Whats wrong with wanting to be confident?
You don't shame disabled people in the streets, do you?

>>17384794
think about me next time you do curls bitch

>>17384782
Yet again, what's wrong with having a low self esteem and wanting to improve it? No one is born confident (except Ubermensch and ingnorant people). Why do you think this is an insult? As if you don't repeat same actions every day not to feel pathetic.

>>17384815
anon no one thinks about you at all
that's why you're so bitter

damn all these (you)s. You guys are pathetic

>>17384803
By cat-calling this guy completely misses the point of fitness. I can guess he also missed the point of life itself.

Sloterdijk talks about the idea of sports, olympics and the newfound interest in "self-improvement" after it was almost buried with the slow death of religion.
I thought "you must change your life" was a really good book and definitely worth a read. It shines some interesting lights on Nietzsche.

>>17384830
It's good to see a fellow sloterfag

>>17384817
no one is even begrudging that, we are just having fun at the fatso's expense because he thinks his NOT trying to improve makes him better than people that did put the work in.
Just like his dad crying in the prison shower as my dad taught him how to be a woman, he thinks that cynism makes him smart while the reality is that it blocks him from any real accomplishment.

>>17382368
>if you're buff, you're actually gay
>if you're a twink, you're actually gay
>if you're a DYEL, you're a gay femboi
>if you're a fat cunt, you're a gay bear
>if you have a dick, you could be gay
>if you breathe you're gay
>oxygen is gay
>im gay
there is no winning with these fags, they are just looking for excuses to bum perfectly normal people

>>17384832
Based and sphere-pilled.

>>17382287
Based department?
One of your officers has gone rogue.

>>17384840
here you go

>>17382382
>>17382368
...
does this faggot realize we like Mishima in here?

>>17382287
Wow
This pissed a few people off.
Their shameful gazing upon ripped dudes has been exposed and can not be defended.

>>17382368
>>17382382
>>17382391

Pretty good. Also note the broader implication of the relation between being and doing: DOING manly things necessarily requires a receiving party, ultimately a totally abject anal one which drags both parties down to utter homosexuality, whereas BEING many does not, the lack of action allowing the other party to maintain a feminine dignity which elevates both parties to utter heterosexuality. That being and doing are not complementary, per Catholicism, but mortal enemies, per Gnosticism.

>>17382368
literally none of this enters the minds of 99% of men and is complete projection

>>17382368
>I argued that men's sport allows men and boys to exclude women and girls from their all-male environments
This is correct and also very based. All the rest of it is just Brian's homo fantasies.

>>17382270
Starting Strength

>>17383022
>Of course we should all be healthy but idolisation of the human form is a retardation of human development
Hmm. Hadn’t thought of it that way anon. Would you say that admiring the ideal form of the human body is a form of idolatry? Why?

>>17384113
Source?

>>17382368
>Almost all competitive sports are segregated along the lines of gender. This means that the practice of competitive sport itself can have homoerotic dimensions
For fucks sake. Is war gay, then?

>>17385268
What the fuck are you saying? Please clarify

>>17382352
He lifts our spirits.

>>17382287
>I need the state to tell me what you do
bluepilled as fuck

>>17382391
This describes realities on the nature of the masculine and the feminine (i.e. showing negative emotions from defeat is feminine) in a language that puts it in an entirely sexual context.
It is a manipulation of perspective. You are made to see something that is not sexual, in a sexual way.
Language can literally be used as black magic. Scary shit.

>>17384830
slow death of christianity, not religion

>>17382287
Seethe and cope fatty.

>>17382287
This
Nobody NEEDS assault muscles