/lit/ - Literature

Do you write about the urban or the rural experience?

>>17399887
I write about the NEET experience

Traditional book royalty rate: 5% - 12%
Self-publishing book royalty rate: 30% - 70%
Only Fans royalty rate: 80%

The career choice is clear

>>17399887
i grew up pretty rural, but i've always had a bad attitude about where i'm from, so i've mostly written in a sort of dishonest urban mode where i feel like i'm half trying to convince myself that yes, i do indeed live in the city now, and i sort of understand it

>>17400235
Start an onlyfans and force your simps to read your works before they are allowed to receive the nude images?

https://pastebin.com/FVEgq5Tk

>>17399569
Honestly, I just bought it for the import chapters function since I write in Scrinever.

>>17399887
Not entirely sure. Most of it is set in space ships. I had a few scenes in mind set in an urban area and some others set in a rural area, though.

>>17399887
A big chunk of my current novel is set in the city, though another section is set travelling the countryside and forests.
Currently, I'm planning a trilogy that's going to be more focused on travelling the countryside, though there will be parts within cities.

>>17399887
It's about urban young men being removed from their accustomed habitat and being deprived of the liberties and comforts they've become accustomed to.
Would you believe there were people in my platoon who refused to take a shit in the woods and just held it in until we went back to the barracks? That's a week of holding in your shits while having 5 meals a day.

>>17401177
Missä kävit intin?

First time on this general. I have a world set in this world map, but the main MC is a harem protagonist. Even with this, is it possible to make a good series. I am currently at book 4/40 and have a wordcount on par with lotr(and maybe hobbit combined). And should I focus on making the first three books good before continuing on with the fourth?

>>17399759
I was doing pretty good, until I decided I needed to scrap it, because I showed my hand too soon. Looking for a few books to research before I really start again. It's frustrating.

>>17401296
>Even with this, is it possible to make a good series.
Gee anon, we don't know. Post something from your story so we can formulate an opinion? That 4 books and wordcount on par with lotr isn't just all notes and worldbuilding, is it?

>>17401326
>one MC escapes testing facility
>gathers others who also escaped
>the experiments were done to force their dormant powers out, so each of them have unique abilities
>after gathering others and sympathetic, powerless people to help, the MC decides to lead an attack against the one responsible for the inhumane testing
>MC's overconfidence leads to the defeat of his army due to overextension
>MC is executed in-front of his best friend and the love of his life in the next book to activate the McGuffin which sets the main plot into motion
it is a bit simplified, but that is the story of one of the least important MCs.

>>17401366
That's nice and all, but no actual excerpts from the story?

>>17401282
Parola 2012-2013

“there is nothing you can do to stop this. In order for future events to be set in motion, he needs to die” Ismilda removes her hand from her overcoat, revealing a strange glass sphere being held in her hand. She moves her free hand to her side, and grips onto a big, sharp blade that is on her belt. 11E leans towards 2V in a panic.
“2V, please! You have to try to escape, you have to live!” 2V turns his head towards 11E, I can see the tears dripping down his face from here. 11E’s face drops, her eyes also starting to water.
“I told you already, didn’t I? I want all of you to continue living. So please, live for me” 2V looks back to towards Ismilda, who has now drawn her blade, and is moving it towards 2V in a slow motion. As her blade moves towards 2V’s neck, Ismilda moves the sphere towards his chest.
“In the name of the true god, the Meta God of Evil, Valex. In the name of the Resident God of Evil, Fronther. I declare that your life will now contribute to the power of the Forming Sphere” Ismilda moves her blade onto 2V’s throat, and presses it against his skin. The Forming Sphere is also being pressed against 2V’s chest. 11E shouts out in protest, her screams easily heard from every corner of the base.
“please stop! Please don’t do this! I need him! I don’t want to lose him!” Ismilda lifts her head up into the sky, as if a wave of joyous emotion is washing over her. She opens her mouth wide, shouting out, silencing 11E’s voice.
“rejoice! Rejoice! Rejoice!” Ismilda’s grip on her blade intensifies, and the sharp side of the metallic weapons swiftly slides across 2V’s neck. 11E calls out once more in a voice of terror.
“Please no! Please NO!” the blade slides across, with Ismilda swinging it away from 2V. The glass sphere glows so very brightly, the colour of blue, green and white. As Ismilda moves away from 2V, the wound is clear for all to see. The cut was so clean, that the blade reached the back of his neck, severing the spinal cord. It should not have even been possible, but it has been proven so. As 2V falls, his head falls from his body, his death now clear for all of us to see. 11E breaks down, shaking uncontrollably. The world, the hope that we had of a peaceful escape from all of this has now fallen apart. Ismilda turns to us, with an expression of glee, of anticipation. Is she not done yet?
(1/2)

“do not worry, I still have future plans for all of you. Trust me when I say this, you will serve the union well” As 11E fights against the guards, breaking out of their grasp and running over to 2V’s body, I look to his head. His expression is one of acceptance, but there is also visible worry, concern on his face. He died while thinking about our futures, not his own. He knew what the price of defeat would be, and he has accepted that. Looking to the victor, the one who won that battle, Ismilda is looking into the sphere, which has a green, blue and white glow emitting from it. What is that thing?
(2/2)
damn, should have spoilered it all. But that would have been bothersome to the eye.

How do I write the trans experience?

In my novel I have several characters as part of my main cast. One of these characters is a trans man (f2m). As I write, I describe him in the same way as I would any other male character but wanted to know if there's a way I could express this part of this characters journey without moving into stereotypes? I only have a few friends that identify as trans (both f2m) but they aren't close enough that I would want to bother them with questions about creating a character with this experience. I would like to create a character who feels genuine and represents this amazing community of people but worry that my research will just make me lean towards existing stereotypes that would be harmful. Any advice would be really brilliant. I have tried to be open and educate myself about this community and want my writing to reflect that.

OK, so fellow writers. Please don't descibe people of color with terms like "Chocolatey brown skin" and stuff like that. We don't go around saying" Shirly had Mayonassie colored skin," This just disturbs POC. I gotta question why. Just who and why.

Also at least try to stray from Marcus as a name for a Afro American. Like come on. I've seeno 1000s of Marcus in my life and it's only the 1st 5th of it

>>17401478
>>17401488

>>17401377
I forgot to make the reply
>>17401418
>>17401423

>>17401488
No worries I don't put black people in my stories so it's not an issue :)

>>17400235
>create OnlyFans account
>write graphic books about sex life
>keep simps hooked
>publish a new book every 3-4 months
>profit

>>17401558
Intrigued, but not much to comment on. Post whole story fag

>>17401478
Nobody can give you an honest answer because that would result in a ban. Go to /lgbt/ for this kind of question, it's a quarantine board.

>>17401478
>>17401488
>copy
>paste in google
>these two are threads from subreddit r/writing from today
the absolute state of reddit

>>17400235
Is that really the rates for Traditional Publishing?
So you do 95% of the work, but only get 5% of the profit?

>>17402286
5% before tax

>>17402326
Why the fuck am I even bothering writing this shit?
I may as well go back to erotica and Patreon.

>>17400235
Why even bother?

>>17402334
Yes.

>>17402286
>>17402334
>>17402337
With trad pub marketing, your 5-12% could end up still landing you two or three orders of magnitude more money than any of the other methods.

>>17402286
>>17402334
Because of advances, anon. Yeah, you only make a few bucks from royalties, but a good publisher will pay well upwards of 100k for a promising book, or more for a series. Your royalties go towards paying back the advance at first, sure, but then anything on top of that is like a bonus. And if your book makes them profit over the advance they paid you, you might get a bigger advance next time. Yeah, if your book happens to be the next Harry Potter or Eragon or something, you'd have made more self-publishing, but here's the secret - nobody would have ever read Eragon or Harry Potter if they were self-published.

>anon stop writing like you're an old man from 200 years ago
>can't you start writing more like George Martin or Stephen King?
post your face when

>>17402460

>>17402460

>>17402431
>a good publisher will pay well upwards of 100k for a promising book
For a debut author you're probably looking at less than 20k. There are exceptions, of course, but 100k isn't likely for most first novels, let alone upwards of 100k.

>>17402431
I disagree about Harry Potter / Eragon regarding self-publishing. It's not impossible the next big book could be memed into a staggering success one day. If just hasn't happened yet.

>>17402572
I mean, it almost happened with 50 shades of grey but then she sold it to a trad publisher. Not sure whether that supports trad publishing or self publishing really

>>17402572
> It's not impossible the next big book could be memed into a staggering success one day
Metro 2033 had all but the last chapter published regularly online for free, then the last chapter was only in the book.

>>17402615
How'd that go with the fanbase?

>>17402431
The 'Shade of Vampire' series by Bella Forrest is self published, and from the goodreads rating, her first book had 55k ratings, and her most current (book 92) had 23.
She also has a ton of other series with a tonne of ratings, so it's safe to say that she has made a fucking mint of being a middling self published author.

Self published is the best, unless you are an already established author selling millions.

>>17402623
It blew up into a franchise with two sequel books and three video games?

>>17401903
I'd read the fuck out of novel with this premise. Reminds me of Snuff and Beautiful You from Palahniuk.

>>17402640
Cool, just thought people would be pissed about being given something for free until the last chapter.

>>17402460
haha, I just hide it as muchhh as I can. It's especially hard to tell people that I write poetry.

>>17402431
Eragon was self-published.

The two main characters are a lesbian couple and one of them is a vampire, born in 18th Century France. (In this world, vampires are known to humans and part of society at this point) The story takes place in close future (like 100-200 years from now, I am being very vague with it on purpose for the story to be more paranormal romance/drama than sci-fi) and obviously, there will be some talk about the past and how this character experienced so much of history.

Though I don't want the point of the story to be about race, it is obviously an important aspect, especially since the other character is Native American/mixed and I don't exactly want to go for the "colorblind" world as an easy way out.

Now to the main dilemma...

I have some insecurities deciding and sketching out how that character spent her past. Obviously, one would imagine her traveling to different parts of the world in her 200+ years lifetime. She's fairly interested in art, history and such things (something that was seen as important in the time she was born in) and her life's passion is dance.

Now, I obviously don't want to do the "white savior traveling through Africa and other countries, building orphanages for poor black children" route, nor do I want her to be like "Oh yes, I'm the privileged white woman who saw the struggles of the third world and traveled through picturesque Asian villages to attain a state of zen." Basically the worst stereotypes and racist/white-centric aspects. I think that her learning to acknowledge her privilege (class or racial) while traveling would be a good step to take.

Then there is the issue of her living through the world wars, genocides, holocaust, etc. Experiencing all of these things would certainly shape a person and would be something that would affect her deeply, right?

Obviously, as she is a good character, I want her to be against this (as most people would) but I feel like it would be more realistic that if certain historical events closer to the time of her era (18th century) were a little skewed in her perspective. She was a noble French woman living before the revolution, so I imagine she would be brought up with many worldviews that most of us today would find problematic. And of course, throughout the years she would grow as a person, especially considering she is of very good, kind, and lively nature, but I wonder which aspects I should realistically keep a little "old school" for her.

Do you have any good advice on this topic? I usually try to stay as realistic, level-headed, and "in the middle" as I can on this topic. I obviously don't want to portray a white savior character or do I want to dwell too much on some "white guilt" (though there would certainly be such aspect to her, considering what she had seen and how our world is). I would be super grateful for anyone to put their opinion forward - what do you think I should avoid, what worldviews would she be the most realistically clinging onto?

>>17402460
>"Why do you write like with so much old fashioned words and shit. Youre not cool its just tryhard bro."

>>17402758
Why do people like this exist?

>>17402334
You must also do interviews for radio, newspapers, and lifestyle magazines, attend library events, signing events, grade school events, shill your shit at street corners and get spitroasted by critics, to make sure your work produces as much money for the publisher shareholders as possible. But hey, it's TRADITIONAL publishing

>>17402813
>tumblr file name

>>17402697
His mom was vice president of a publishing house, that's not exactly self publishing but close

>>17403032
I'm not much of a overtly politically correct liberal person but like... yeah, I still realise that these are pretty important aspects. Something tells me you're a white dude because only a white dude could have this nonchalant "whatever" response. Am I fixated on race and sexuality? Not at all. Does it play role in this story, will it affect it and are there things that I want to do right so I don't get backlash or be incredibly ignorant in my writing? Yes.

What is the correct name of a certain bus stop?

I am taking inspiration from the russian tier shithole I grew up in because it makes for good creepy atmosphere in my story. We used to have bus stops very different from what normal western countries do. Ours were made of bricks or cement, full of graffiti. Is there a specific name of this thing or should I just clarify it in the story instead while calling it a bus stop?

>>17403512
Eastern European here, are you talking about a bus terminus?

>>17403512
if you're writing in english it probably deserves a nice long explanation, similar to what you just wrote to tell us what they're like, but ofc a bit more visually focused. if >>17403526 is right and 'terminus' is used, that's a great-sounding name for it but you'd still need to spend some time explaining what a terminus is, and why it inspires the creepy, ominous feelings you get from it

>>17402659
Just say youre a rapper

>>17399759

>>17403526
>>17403564
Thanks anons. Did some looking around and an some call them ''soviet era concrete bus stops''.
>https://medium.com/vantage/the-crazy-daring-concrete-bus-stops-of-the-soviet-era-34e09a8a3992

I have one more question. In pic related, what are some ways I could describe some details from it, especially the stain-like marks that look like they're oozing down? Written 4 pages and this is the first challenge I ran into.

>>17403614
I love that picture
Lit truly is great

>>17403695
/fit/fags made it.

>>17403652
kino

>>17402758
>vampire
>especially considering she is of very good, kind, and lively nature
hey retard. vampires are predators. You may not like that, you may want happy funtime vampires, but in that case just make her immortal and skip all that vampire shit.
if your vampire character, your several hundred year old vampire character at that, is doing something good, it should have an ulterior motive. running an orphanage, for a supply of blood. helping junkies get clean, because drinking drugged out blood makes her all loopy.
I can see her liking individual humans, but dealing with most humans would be more akin to dealing with animals. and a black vs a indian vs a white. three different colors of animal as far as it would be concerned.

here's a serious question for your worldbuilding if you go ahead with your retard premise. since vampires are immortal - effectively - and they're known to humans, accepted even, is there any reason whatsoever that every single politician and world leader hasn't opted in to becoming a vampire? because the people on top, when given the option between immortality in exchange for preying on people and dying, they'd choose the former in a heartbeat.
is there a reason anyone would not choose to become a vampire if given the option, especially considering they're known to humans and part of society, which is ordinarily a huge downside.

Just wrote a scene which is, admitedly, forced drama, but I only did it so that a side character could btfo a sudden antagonist to prove her loyalty towards the protagonist. I don't like the forced drama, but I like how it shows how commited this girl is. I don't know how to feel about this, or if it's worth leaving it in.

Do writers need apophenia?

>>17404019
Vampires can't have children, like the immortal Highlander guys

>>17403731
Fuck

>>17404330
>be a forty/fifty year old politician
>already have multiple children
>all those middle age aches and pains starting to really creep in
>certainly not going to get better as the years go by
why would this person not choose to become a vampire? on the other side, why would vampires not want every single world leader to become one of them?

>>17401964
I would, but I do not know where I should upload it to. I also still have to go back to book 1 and 2 to fix many of the issues I have with them.

Can anyone rate this excerpt from my novel I am working on? I want to publish it. I've been trying to really dedicate myself as I dropped out of HS.

Jaundice, it was definitely jaundice. DeMarcus watched the sagging dark skin through the mirror as he clawed at himself.
Definitely jaundice.
He took himself off his bed and the mirror quickly receded into the ceiling with a pneumatic hiss,
I can't believe it's jaundice.
DeMarcus hobbled over to his mahogany coffee table with a D scratched into it. He carefully spun his rotary eleven times around the center and waited exactly 32 and a half seconds.
'Is this the Doc?'
'No this is the nurse.'
'Put the Doc on'
'Who is this'
'Tell him it's me'
'One moment.'
He didn't have time for this. DeMarcus imagined himself reaching his hand into the phone's receiver, crawling through the electricity and out the other hand to grab the nurse by the back of her head and bash her brains out on the corner of her twenty year vintage reception desk repainted in the hideous baby blue of the times. He knew what he wanted and he wanted pink brain matter splattered all over that baby blue desk if this roadblock continued to be a problem. He head ached, his eyes buzzed, his gums screamed.
'DeMarcus?'
'Doc I think it's jaundice.'
'Alright buddy sit in the chair lemme give you a onceover'
DeMarcus unsteadily eased himself into the leather medic blue recliner. His eyes swooned over the Doctor's office, taking in all the degrees and family photos. He took off his shirt because the Doc told him to. He inhaled because the Doc told him to. He peed in the cup because the Doc told him to. All the while his eyes kept falling on a picture of a young girl, the only normal in all the pictures Doc had on the wall. He helplessly watched as a baby grew into a toddler that grew into a child that grew into a teenager that grew into an adult. The picture that had his Doc in it was the only shot where the girl wasn't there.
'Alright D they'll be back with the lab work quick you take it easy.'
DeMarcus took it easy to the street. He went for two blocks before he took it easy on the street corner. He stood, leaned, crouched, squatted, and slumped, and eventually collapsed against the street corner. It was the breaks corner where he spent his childhood. DeMarcus thought it'd be hilarious if he died right here right now, on the corner where he should have died. His vision went hazy and all he took in was the yellow-green sky above him. The clouds were black today, it'd rain. The sound of running made DeMarcus came to. His eyes adjusted on a small boy no older than he was when he worked the corner. The boy stared down as DeMarcus pathetically met his gaze
'D? Doc says it's not jaundice.'
The boy skipped off to where he came from and left DeMarcus to the sidewalk
DeMarcus finally closed his eyes
It's not jaundice.

>>17404671
Awful. Go back to school

>>17404909
what parts are bad how can i improve

>>17402697
Only in the loosest sense. His family was tied to a publishing house, and it was the re-published version that caught attention.

>>17402631
Sure. That's one person. There are probably a few more. Now, count for me how many self-published books have no reviews at all.

>>17402568
It depends on what you're writing and what the publishers are looking for at the moment. Your payout depends on how many boxes you check. $100k isn't a guarantee but if you're writing with marketability in mind (and are, you know, good) you can get a year's wages out of a single novel.

>>17404916
I can literally pick any sentence at random and probably find issues with it.

'Alright D they'll be back with the lab work quick you take it easy.'
The grammar here has grade school level errors.
"Alright, D. They'll be back with the lab work quick. You take it easy."
Even with the blatant and objective errors taken out, it sounds both unrealistic and bizarre.

Hey anime retard, next time you make a thread too early, can you add Story Genius to the OP? It's by far the most helpful resource on making fiction worth reading I've encountered.

>>17404955
>>17404916
I forgot to end my post by telling you that the way that you can approve is by going back to school. If you really can't get back into high school, you should study independently and get your GED. If you can't do that, you can write as a hobby, but don't expect to ever create a novel.

>>17404970
>>17404955
What's so bizarre about it? That's how people naturally speak

>>17404955
How can there be an issue with every sentence?

>>17404957
And where would it fall under?

>>17404987
By being written intentionally poorly or by a retard that can't handle grade school levels of grammar.

>>17404996
What is grammatically incorrect here? You people praise writers that are grammatically incorrect all the time

>>17404999
It's like art. First you need to learn to write well conventionally, then you can learn when you can break the rules.

>>17404970
He might want to look into SAT prep materials, as they cover basic grammar pretty well.

>>17404916
1. Fuck off until you're 18, which I do not believe you are
2. Go to a teacher at the school you go to since I do not believe you actually dropped out and tell them you have a passion for storytelling but that you never learned to write well. You need way more guidance than we can give you
3. Here's one legitimate exercise I'll give you - take a book you like, read a paragraph a couple times, then try to rewrite that paragraph from memory. Punctuation and all. If you fuck something up try again. Do this over and over again until you've built the habit of using all the shit in the English language correctly

>>17404996
what even is grammar though? i got advice from a writer that said worrying about grammar while you're writing is a total waste of time and effort. a complete distraction

>>17404989
Probably right next to The Art of Fiction, which really shouldn't be under prose, but wherever that goes is where Story Genius should go

>>17405006
>>17405005
I need more explanation here. I really need a step by step critique of everything I did wrong. Saying 'bad grammar' doesn't help me. I like the feeling of what you'd call bad grammar in some spots. It adds a frantic air and makes things feel more loose.

>>17405014
No, what you need is to go back to school.

>>17405020
i did fine in school. I just need to know how to improve.

>>17405014
I gave you an exercise; I'm not catching your fish, too.

>>17405030
That's just an exercise to improve grammar which I really don't care about. Are you saying that what I wrote is basically perfect aside from bad grammar? If that is the case then I do not care at all about that criticism. What is grammar, really? I can't swallow the rules if I am not given a reason to swallow them.

>>17405014
basically you are so much of a beginner that it would require more work to help you out than it's worth it for us to do for free

>>17405008
grammar is something you need to worry about if you want to be even comprehendible

>>17405036
>bruh dude none of those mistakes count cuz I don't care about em bro so you're saying it's perfect?
You're either underage or trolling.

>>17405042
Can you show me where bad grammar confused you and made the story incomprehensible in my excerpt?

>>17405048
Grammar seems like a really minor nitpick to me, am I wrong? It's not like the criticism was
>this sentence reads bad
>this description is bad
>this is uninteresting to read
It's just bad grammar. To me that's on the level of saying
>this movie is bad because you can see a in boom mic in the reflection of the window in this scene

>>17405059
>>this sentence reads bad
>>this description is bad
>>this is uninteresting to read
that is also all true tho

>>17405059
You don't know what grammar is.

>>17399759
stop enticing me with anime thots

>>17405067
Show me.
>>17405069
Pretty sure I do.

>>17405079
>DeMarcus imagined himself reaching his hand into the phone's receiver, crawling through the electricity and out the other hand to grab the nurse by the back of her head and bash her brains out on the corner of her twenty year vintage reception desk repainted in the hideous baby blue of the times
terrible run-on trash

>>17404671

is this a picture of you >>>/adv/23500416

>>17405086
>>17405086
Why is a run-on bad? How would you fix that one?

>>17405129
DeMarcus imagined himself reaching his hand into the phone's receiver, crawling through the electricity and out the other hand to grab the nurse by the back of her head and bash her brains out. He'd do it on the 00's vintage reception desk, the one that had been repainted with the hideous baby blue of the period.

idk something ;like that also 20 years is hardly vintage, unless that's intentional

>>17405099
Hahahaha fuck

>>17405036
gigacope

>>17405129
"DeMarcus imagined himself reaching his hand into the phone's receiver, [shoving] through the [cord] and out the other [end], grabbing the nurse by the back of her head and bashing her brains out on the corner of her reception desk."

Still not perfect but it sounds better.

>>17402813
spoiler alert, it probably is tryhard

>>17405151
And if the "ugly baby blue" description is that important to you then the following sentence should be:
"He knew what he wanted. He wanted her pink brain matter splattered all over that hideous baby blue desk if she continued to be a problem."

>>17405151
>>17405142
Thanks guys. I gotta go take a nap. Don't respond to me anymore I don't wanna waste your time anymore than I have. I know I have low iq. I know I'm a total retard spazz jackass loser cockbrain chickenshit dropout kid. I know you guys are better than me. But I'll just keep writing the way I can. I got two books so I'll just keep re reading them until im not unreadable. Sorry for wasting your thread. Sorry if it sounds like im writing this with some shit eating grin wry smile.
Anyway peace out and all. i wont be back.

>>17405170
so you're saying that this >>17405099 IS a picture of you

>>17405170

With every slam of her ass into my stomach, my big, fat cock pierced into her EXTREMELY tight pussy more and more. What did she do with her pussy in her alonetime? Tighten it?

Butterfly's pussy was so tight my entire body lifted up with my cock with each slam of her fat ass into my belly. SLAP SLAP SLAP.

It wouldn't stop :3

>>17405129
>Why is a run-on bad?
It ruins the flow of your writing. It makes it feel choppy and convoluted in my opinion

>>17405208
needs more slaps
he should also walk around his house wit butterfly still latched on tight

How do i describe the feeling of smoking a serious custom build e-cig if I've never smoked anything in my entire life?

>>17405208
>What did she do with her pussy in her alonetime? Tighten it?

>>17405291
find someone who has and ask them about it. does the concept of researching your subject matter just never occur to you people?

>>17405329
do you think if i had cool friends like that i'd be on a 4chan literature forum
i dont even know how to describe romance or have romantic or sexy dialogue. i dont get it at all

>>17405208
I love this.

>>17405339
>vapers
>cool

>>17405345
its like regular smoking but cyberpunk. how is that not cool

>>17405352
>its like regular smoking but cyberpunk
i think you just described why it's fucking gay

>>17405362
are you saying cyberpunk is gay?

>>17405376
uh, yes. literally

>>17405389
how the fuck can you think cyberpunk is bad? its a fantastic genre. whats your problem? its not steampunk bullshit.

>>17405401
>how the fuck can you think cyberpunk is bad?
idk i'm not a troon?

>>17405401
the game sucks and the source material is a dystopian nightmare. it's not something you should be excited to emulate.

>>17405410
what the hells a troon?
list what you think is bad aabout cynerpunk youf ucking nonce. you're a NONCE.

>>17399759
Are there any books about writing personal essays? Not the shit usually wrote to get into undergrad but experience-driven Jeremiads or the 2.0 versions of your old racist uncles Thanksgiving ramblings?

>>17405417
>what the hells a troon?
lurk more newfag

>>17405389
I don't see anything unusual, it's all part of cyberpunk genre to have a dystopian world.

>>17405437
the rampant faggotry is never one of the negative aspects of the world in cyberpunk

>>17405443
It's in Altered Carbon another cyberpunk book. I would think that dick isn't even a real dick, it's a synthetic body augmentation. When humanity gets to a stage when they can freely augment 99% of their body with synthetic parts- and when I say "freely" I mean as simple as going to the corner shop to buy groceries - you think people won't randomly switch out body parts on a daily basis out of style? Cyberpunk is all about transhumanism, that is what it is at its core. Not neon lights.

>>17405508
>transhumanism
gay

>>17405508
>I would think that dick isn't even a real dick
a FtM dick isn't real either

>>17405525
Not trangenderism. I know you have an obsession with traps but Transhumanism is different all together. I would think being in /lit/ there would be mostly educated people, but clearly not.

>>17405586
did you seriously think i confused transgenderism and transhumanism? holy shit how do you even live if you think that little of the average person

>>17405508
>Cyberpunk is all about transhumanism, that is what it is at its core. Not neon lights.
What the fuck are you even on about? That's not Cyberpunk at all. Cyberpunk is a Speculative Fiction genre centered around the transformative effects of advanced science, information technology, computers, and networks ("cyber") coupled with a breakdown or radical change in the social order ("punk"). A genre that is dark and cynical in tone, it borrows elements from Film Noir, hard-boiled Detective Fiction, and postmodern deconstruction to describe the Dystopian side of an electronic society.

Transhumanism is a philosophical movement that advocates for the transformation of the human condition by developing and making widely available sophisticated technologies able to greatly modify or enhance human intellect and physiology.

>>17405540
I don't know how transgender operations work but I would guess the majority of the bottom torso is still human flesh. In cyberpunk game it's mostly machine/metal. There's even a part where a Ripperdoc shows himself taking the whole mechanical jaw of a lady out from her head.

>>17405586
they're both fuckin gay retard
>hurr durr i can turn myself into a furry or stick five dicks on my face at my slightest whim
literally a redditoid's dream of the future

>>17405592
>playing the "I knew that" card.

>>17405602
Nearly every cyberpunk book (or other media too) has an element of transhumanism. Transhumanism ultimately tackles "what it means to be human" and this is done via augmentations to 'better' one self (which nearly every cyberpunk media has) or it's about augmenting the mind or even digitizing consciousness (which still falls under transhumanism). Even some of the early cyberpunk books that have rise to cyberpunk themed like Neuromancer. Even that has transhumanism elements to it.

>>17405603
Your previous comment was enough evidence for me to realise you're not worth wasting a conversation on. So whatever you say that makes you feel comfortable with yourself.

>>17405655
that was my first reply to you, but keep being autistic i guess

>>17405665
>gay x2
Of course

>>17405676
maybe you're just really gay, ever thought of that?

>>17405691
No, because I don't think like a juvenile like you. In a few years time when your mind welcomes more complex thoughts (fingers crossed), then you'll understand.

>>17405720
>No, because I don't think like a juvenile like you. In a few years time when your mind welcomes more complex thoughts (fingers crossed), then you'll understand.

>>17405720
>>17405676
You are getting completely trounced. you should just leave this thread. there's no recovery

>>17402460
sounds like you're a pretentious fuck

>>17405733
Says the guy who just found out what transhumanism means. Bet you cower in fear with other words that have "trans" in them. Transport. Translucent. Transistor. Not everything has to do with traps, anon.

>>17405761
everyone here knows what transhumanism is anon, you're not special

>>17405770
Of course

>>17405761
You're seriously still clinging to that? Nobody was referring to transgenderism until you did.

>>17405761
>no one could ever call my retarded reddit ideology gay, they must have misread it!

>>17405784
>guy sees a dick on a female body
>sees me label it as transhumanism
>calls it gay

Someone's clearly focusing too much on the augmented dick. Or they be calling any robot or drone in sci-fi gay too. Don't try hide someone's ignorance.

>>17405825
>>guy sees a dick on a female body
>>sees me label it as transhumanism
>>calls it gay
Uh, because that literally is, by definition, fucking gay.

>>17405833
>literally
>definition of gay

Transhumanism has nothing to so with sexuality.

>>17405847
>Transhumanism has nothing to so with sexuality
>woman giving herself a robocock because she feels like it
oh yeah nothing to do with sexuality there

>>17405856
It's not a cock though is it. Even trannies fresh out of surgery still have most of their internal flesh intact. Augmentations replace everything with metal and other synthetic materials. Think of it as a human augmenting themselves so much that they turn into a cyborg. Cyborgs arent "gay". Then it makes you think what if someone augments 99% of their body with mechanical parts. That's where the lesson of the day comes into play: Transhumanism - "what does it mean to be human", "are they still human". These are all the topics that cyberpunk themed books tend to cover. From Neuromancer, to Altered Carbon, to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.

>>17405856
>>17405937
Guess that's the Ghost in the Cock

>>17405937
>It's not a cock though is it
Schrondinger's tranny. All this body modification stuff sounds pretty gay ngl.

>>17405937
Listen man. You are hella gay. cyberpunk is lame.. I get that you're some dumb millennial/gen X and you are clinging to cyberpunk and william gibson but cyberpunk will be forgotten as an embarrassing genre like steampunk.

>>17405952
>All this body modification stuff sounds pretty gay ngl.
Its the building blocks of all cyberpunk (and other sci-fi) genres.

>>17405969
Which perfectly ties back to my original point, cyberpunk is fucking gay

>>17405992
>turning your whole body into a weapon and replacing your cock with a precision-machined pleasure device with infinite stamina so you can engage in both violence AND orgies that would make the Roman empire jealous is fucking gay
I have not been paying attention to this discussion but no.

>>17406010
thats gay man

>>17405992
I'm going to blame your ignorance on the fact you're unfamiliar with what the theme involves. If you haven't understood the difference between sexuality and turning into a cyborg, then you are lost cause.

>>17406010
>orgies that would make the Roman empire jealous
anon I don't know how to tell you this, but the Romans were uh

>>17406018
Not if you're only fucking and killing women.

>>17406032
nah i think you should head on back to /pol/ zoom zoom

>>17406028
how bout blame it on the fact that i'm heterosexual and don't fantasize about turning into an androgynous sexbot like some reddit coomer

>>17406036
Nah I think I'll stay thanks.

Pls someone tell me what's wrong with this line

Now and then, I would hear noises in the lobby: of strangers, whose existence intrigue me only for the brief moment of contact, that is, when they pass by my room. They would appropriate my space and in those encounters I fear someone will open the door and violate the isolation I have settled into. The noise would come out of nowhere, gradually increase in loudness, and finally, as if they never were, dissipate into nothingness. I would wait as the clanking of a boot, or the wheels of a cart, or the screams of a child build up from behind the thin partition of a wall, but when they are traversing the space in front, my anticipation reaches its peak, and I’m left questioning when they would disappear. In a dizzying caprice, and to this I couldn’t find a more absurd realization, it was difficult for me to picture an image, that for worth, there is something of material stature beyond the door: a place where people go about, and where speculators listen to them from the inside.

I feel like my soul is gone. I used to be so creative. I have so many ideas for stories and was always thinking about my novel ideas

now all I think about is dnd and piss like that

>writing a character who has a really thick accent and slurred speech
>every single piece of dialogue he's in takes twice as long because of the spelling
>no idea if he'll even be intelligible to a reader
>if I change him to be more readable it fucks up a major part of the plot
Why do I do this to myself

>>17399759
>writing story
>self-insert loser loner degen neet
>its me
>everytime

>>17406279
It'll get easier the more you write him, anon, but damn if I wouldn't just about re-write my entire novel to avoid doing that shit.

>>17406322
I'm a software engineer so I've been thinking about just writing a script to take normal dialogue and retardify it but it sounds like a lot of work because English isn't fully phonetic. I mean he dies about a quarter of the way through the story so it's not like he'll fuck the whole thing but still it's annoying.

>>17406279
minimize phonetic dialogue as much as possible. just give us enough to know he has an accent. if you go too far it becomes a chore and pulls the reader out of the story

>>17406262
get a job

>>17406383
The thing is the story is written from a first person perspective and the main character legitimately has a hard time understanding him. I'll take that idea into consideration though since I am worried it would be hard to read during some of his less coherent moments.

https://pastebin.com/udYrw7vq

helpes?

>>17406390
i have one. it's hollow and dull

>>17401726
based

>have the spunk to pull 1k a day for two days
>for no reason at all it's gone on the third day
I JUST WANT TO FUCKING WRITE GODAMN

>>17406505
get a more stimulating job

>>17406568
>yakuza 3 to 6 dropped on steam just recently
Why must fate taunt me so?

>>17406621
NANI

post writing books.

>>17407394
im thinking about writing my book later. maybe ill work on it more tomorrow.

>>17404397
/fitlit/ master race reporting in, you're welcome skinny nerd

>>17407967
I regret not investing in a personal gym. But at the time, I had thought, "Why bother? There's a gym with so much equipment 10 minutes away from my house."

Why no books in the OP about marketing?

>>17405401
Steampunk is great you faggot

>want to write
but;
>don't feel smart enough to be interesting
>can't write without doing it perfect the first time
>don't have the right software to write
>'why bother writing if no one is ever going to see it?' but also scared to show anyone anything even if I do manage to write something

Should I call myself a writer, a hobbyist, or a fraud?

>>17408518
>don't feel smart enough to be interesting
Do you think most people who publish books are smart of interesting? They're not. Read more crap, you'll feel better about yourself.
>can't write without doing it perfect the first time
You wrote this post without proper capitalization or punctuation, stop lying.
>don't have the right software to write
Microsoft Works is free, dude.
>'why bother writing if no one is ever going to see it?' but also scared to show anyone anything even if I do manage to write something
Post it anonymously and there's no shame.

>>17408518
>Should I call myself a writer, a hobbyist, or a fraud?
A coward and a cunt.
Stop complaining and start writing if that's what you want. But from your words it seems that you don't really want to be a writer.
'Boohoo I'm dumb and a perfectionist at the same time :((((' shut the fuck up, you don't have the authority nor experience to proclaim what is perfect and what isn't; so just fucking write.
Who the hell even cares about writing software? Motherfucker, just open google drive and start new doc. It's all you need. Saying otherwise is just an excuse for your lack of incentive to write.
If you truly wish to be a writer, and a good one, you have to seek criticism. So shut the fuck up, write something, post it here, and learn.
Stop complaining and write.

>>17408518
>can't write without doing it perfect the first time
literally the only thing that will be challenging to overcome. i want you to come back here in a day and post whatever you've written in that time, little man.

>>17408563
>i want you to come back here in a day and post whatever you've written in that time, little man.
What should I write?

>>17408738
If you don't want to write about anything, you don't want to write at all and this probably isn't the place for you mon ami.

What is the earliest known spoken language?
I keep seeing mentions of Egyptian and Hieroglyphics, but they didn't say 'Man side on' or 'Woman holding pot', right?

>>17399887
Small town/rural

>>17408910
Sumerian shit is older than Egyptian shit.

>>17408910
the ones from mesopotamia. but because it was written in pictures we have no way of really knowing how it sounded. oldest that we have as far as sounds is greek, because they had an alphabet, derived from the pheonician one. people also say hebrew, but those are yids and therefore untrustworthy by definition. I'd go with greek if I were you

>>17408910
Adamic.

Has anyone tried Neovel? Is it a good service and can I make money off of it?

Can I have some feedback on this passage, lads?

>he uses "fuck" or "shit" more than once every 50 pages
Even that's pushing it.

>>17409552
I guess this would make more sense for someone familiar with Hinduism?

>>17409552
It's good. Well-written. I like the voice and the details (gesturing at the jars and losing track of coins).

Delete "in equal measure". It doesn't add any extra meaning and takes away from a good sentence.

I find your semi-colons distracting. Just a personal preference.

I'm one or two scenes away from a first draft of my novel. Lots of revisions ahead of me. I'm going to start showing it to agents in the next month.

>>17409604
It's from a short story which has Hindu elements but the mentions of yama are previously explained so hopefully readers aren't too lost.

>>17409645
Thanks anon. Good catch with equal measure. I'm a sucker for semi-colons, especially relating to flow, but I'm trying to cut back on them.

Stupid question;
Can you use brand names in your stories, or is there some legality to that?
Can I reference Coca Cola, or do I need to get permission first or change it to generic cola?

>>17399759
Would it be prudent to be cocky in a query letter? Something like "I'm the next Tolkien" or is that an auto rejection?
>>17409702
I hear it's a grey area, depends on how lucky you're feeling. I think as long as you're not shitting on the brand they won't care and as long as your not famous they won't bother anyway. That guy from ready player one made his entire book referencing thousands of brands, I doubt he got permission for any of them and I haven't heard about him getting sued.

Would anyone be willing to critique my writing if I posted it here? Someone on /adv/ said this general and /critique/ were good places to ask for advice. Critique general died before I could get any feedback though.

>>17406262
Try to remember what inspired you in the first place and work from that.

>>17409994
Sure.
Post it.

>>17409789
>Something like "I'm the next Tolkien"
I can't imagine why you think that would make you look good. Especially considering the kind of people that agents typically are. Remember: they have to like you.

>>17409552
Kino. Leave this board. It'll drag you down

>>17410298
>Especially considering the kind of people that agents typically are.
What?

>>17410215
Here. I'll critique someone else's writing if I need to, although I don't know enough to give valuable feedback.

Robert was quite the artist and no one knew how.

His unassuming demeanor, plain blue uniform, and monotone voice gave his peers indication of this. He had the presence of an empty breeze, and the demeanor of one too: drifting in and out of school rooms with utmost precaution, as though making sure not to change a single thing. Sad times and happy times would come and go but Robert stayed, same as always. Maybe there was more of him by the end of school. Perhaps the peach fuzz under his chin wasn't there when he began. No one knew for sure. Few could remember the droning geek that hovered around the classrooms, his hollow pleasantries. Even fewer wanted to remember.

Those who chose to remember him did so only to ridicule him. ‘Domo Arigato, Mr. Roberto.’ ‘Virginator 2000.’ ‘Oblivion NPC.’ When names wouldn’t give them the same satisfaction, these lively little bullies would harass Robert to no end. They could run away with his books, or trip him during a game of soccer, but he didn’t care. ‘Mr. Roberto’ didn’t feel hurt. ‘Mr. Roberto’ didn’t feel at all. He had no soul and nothing to say. Even his parents, whom the kids had heard came from the same factory plant in Detroit, didn’t seem to care.

So it came as a surprise to everyone when Robert was enrolled into a prestigious art school.

>>17410797
The young hipster girls that followed him there on their parent’s money couldn’t believe someone like Robert could get into the same school. The ‘Uncle Tom Companion Bot’ was probably here with ulterior motives. What kind of perverted loser spent all his time in odd jobs - and yes, they knew about all his odd jobs - just to leer at women, and then pay to do it again in an art studio? Thankfully, the nice boys from the baseball team were here to watch them paint, and keep an eye on Robert in case he did something funny.

Robert fondled his paint brush. He glanced at the people around him, shook the thoughts out of his head, and began painting.

Stroke followed stroke. Thick egyptian lines hashed the canvas, haphazardly framing as they went deeper. Followed by lighter gashes from the drying paint, smudged around the edges, like a bruise on a child from his alcoholic father. A thin veneer of green followed, spread around further. Unfocus, unbridled, but ultimately directionless. It covered the canvas equally, with no character to add. The blue and green mingle into thin disheveled curves that reminded Robert of his mother.

He picked up a thicker brush.

Suddenly springing to life, Robert’s body carved curved strokes into the green of the bottom half of the canvas. Up and down, up and down. This job was repetitive, and so was the next. But through the mind numbing black, he persevered. He had to persevere, just like the brittle grass he was drawing. He continued until the bell rang, then until the paints ran dry, and then until a teacher tapped on his shoulder: “Time’s up.”
Robert sighed. He took a step back to admire his work; the teacher was already watching in awe. A gentle, withering leaf curved against the harsh blue of the cold sky, dropping her dew into the grass Robert painstakingly grew below. The leaf’s stem and shadow separated the night from the budding grass, almost making it feel brighter in the light of the dew.

‘Tears’ is what he called it.

Robert was quite the artist, and no one knew why.


This isn't an excerpt from something I'm working on, so it doesn't mean a whole lot. Just a short thing I worked on last night so people could judge my writing. Any and all feedback appreciated, especially if its about the quality of writing. Honesty is greatly appreciated.

I have been smoking weed all day and I finished one paragraph of my second chapter. I think im writing a kids book but im not sure
i think im gonna switch to alcohol
how are you all doing

Here's my "pitch" for the beginning of a story. Does it sound interesting enough or not worth continuing? Any advice on my style?

>>17410960
tired, really want my neo to get here so I can just have that to type on instead of screens that make my eyes hurt

I have this strange problem that two of my characters feel too interchangable. They have different backgrounds, relevant to story interests and so on but when they actually speak it feels like it could be attributed to either of them.

>>17411127
neo?

Am I the only one who keeps making these threads so he can steal ideas and whole writings from the people who post for critique here? I got for quantity not quality. I just put up whole short story compilations on amazon and at this point I have so many it's actually a decent profit. Though I do wonder the caliber of person who posts here. Imagine asking for critique and advice from 4channers

>>17411339
you'll never find a person who believes you profit off of what is posted in writing threads but your point about asking critique and advice on 4chan is sound.

is onomatopoeia cringe? whenever i use it it feels like i've downgraded to a YA novel for some reason.

>>17411352
Post context?

>>17411339
I don't really believe you, since the quality is so patchwork, and the tone and voice of posters so different, that it would be immediately obvious to anyone that you're stealing. But on the slim chance you mean what you're saying, you should be a little concerned. Not about your lack of artistic integrity, the appalling sinfulness of what you're doing (defrauding a worker - one of the most grievous), or being a good, decent person in a secular sense, since these are quite clearly things that don't matter to you. It's obvious that, since you mention profit, this is your motivation, and you steal and lie to serve Mammon. So bear this in mind: if any, literally any, of the anons in these threads get interest in their writing, from literary journals or from publishers, it will be detectable in your ebooks via plagiarism software. When inevitably confronted with this, if the anon has written in Google docs or scrivener, they can pinpoint the exact moment they wrote those sentences and whether they predate your ebook. And if they do, you're looking at a monumental plagiarism lawsuit, which will cost you a lot of money, far more than the sum total of your slipshod stolen yarns, and you will become destitute.

Just something to chew on.

>>17411438
Only if they have scrivener or google and only if they keep those accounts and only if they still archive things like that.
Otherwise, helpless and easy pickings. I'll say they plagiarized me.

>>17401177
Based noshiters

>>17411452
Not him but I know Google docs accounts automatically track changes in every document since its creation. In any case you should be deeply ashamed of yourself and I hope my young son doesn't turn out like you.

>>17411546
oh i get it you're a boomer. This is just the world my generation was born in. you're either a hustler or you're fucking bedrock. Blame your generation for killing ours. I was born in 2002. There are no opportunities for people my age. University is a joke and has been ruined. Jobs are dead-end even at the high qualification level. Nobody wants to pay anyone anything. I made 10k on Gamespot

>>17410777
tolkien was a white male and a christian. that's big no no. agents are a bunch of post wall humorless faghags. by and large. and the people they submit to are no better

>>17411339
>>17411566
Imagine resorting to stealing things artists have created through blood, sweat and tears, sometimes pouring their soul into work, to hustle a quick dollar when there are thousands of other ways to do so. This is the banality of evil Eichmann was talking about. What you're doing is selfish and immoral to the point of being truly evil in the abstract sense, and your self justifications just make it worse. If hell exists you're going there and I bet you don't even realise it. lmao

>>17411339
This can't be real. This has to be peak schizo baiting.

>>17405208
Absolutely kino

how many words is enough words
im working on my story but im just staring at the wordcount wondering when enough is enough

From my first day meeting you,
I’ve had quite the crush.

Your lovely brown eyes,
Makes my heart gush.

When I see your beautiful smile,
I can't get enough.

I’m lucky to see you so often as I do.
I can’t help but always think about you.

There is so much more I want to say.
I wish you a Happy Valentine's Day!


Is this decent? im trying to confess to this girl ive liked for about two years now. i would of asked her out but covid happened. Shes with someone right now but its not that serious i think

>>17406568
This commonly happens because you haven't planned out what comes next or you have planned and it's not good enough. Always know what comes next. Not every detail but the next scene at least.

>>17406361
Write the script anyway so you can use it to shitpost on this board when people are being retarded

>>17411785
You make a solid point.

>>17406397
Even if it's hard to read, that would be the point wouldn't it? If the main character struggles to understand him than the reader should aswell imo. If I were you I would push through it for the sake of the integrity of the story
The artist must suffer for the art

>>17411764
That sounds like good advice but don't a ton of good writers say they make it up as they go along? Did Tolstoy, Joyce, Proust etc plan and outline? Genuine question

can i name my character a brand or something? is that illegal? like Diet Pepsi or Nintendo or Cowboy Bebop

>>17411759
Seems a bit corny, and I'm not a fan of some of the rhymes/wording used (crush/gush, for example), but it could work. Kinda bold to confess with a poem, though. Is she interested in poetry or literature?

Hell, you inspired me to write some lines:

On the first day we met
I took the only fall I'll never regret

I'll do all I can to see you smile
It's radiance lasts me for a long while

I'll be there when you need me
be it early or late
Just call my name
And I'll never make you wait

>>17411352
I use it extremely sparingly, like a couple times per book. I have to find a really good place for it for it to feel right.

>>17411860
there's nothing illegal about it, but do you really want to take that risk? you are a nobody and they are a massive brand.

>>17411950
what can they do if its not illegal

>>17411810
I do agree but it's painful. We'll see how the script goes, maybe it'll be more useful than I think.

Japanese romance literature is aimed at male audience while in the west it's primary for female audience. Is there a market for romance for male audience with female wife-worthy characters?

>>17411971
Long story short, intellectual property laws are FUCKED. I'm not knowledgeable enough to give you the specifics but big corporations have screwed little guys over this kind of shit before so you should probably get some advice from someone in the industry before you get too attached to the name.

>>17402659

Just say you're 5% native american or black or whatever minority your country has.

>>17402758

Make her so she used to beleive certain things about the world because of her priviledged upbringing (she was sheltered from the evils of the world, etc) and the revolution changed that drastically.
Now she has spent 200 years or more as an archeologist in an attempt to unearth all the dirty secrets of world history so other people dont go over the same mistakes, so history is not forgotten or washed.

>>17402460

>>17412085
>>17402460
What do they even mean by it?

>>17411993
There is. I'm it.

>show someone my writing
>they say it reads like Harry Potter was Holden Caulfield

Should I give up

>>17402360
This. Not to mention they pay for everything. They pay for marketing, for publicity, for editors, for artwork, for manufacturing and distribution. They'll fly you out to places to talk about your book and do book signings.

I don't have writer's block, but I've started absolutely agonizing over not just every paragraph, but every single line. Is this a sign I'm not happy with my own work and should step back and try and go at it in a different direction, or should I push through?

>>17412188
books are marketed? wat? books publicity? wat?
maybe in the 60s

>>17412172
Yes.

>>17412193
i'd say agonizing over a single puzzle piece is small brain, but pushing through won't help if you're simply not writing anything of interest - a much larger problem.

>>17412172
Sounds cool

>>17412193
Just keep telling yourself "this is just the first draft, I can edit and revise to my heart's content after I get the draft done"

>>17412193
I have the same problem. I try way too hard to get EVERY fucking word right. Just take it easy, the first draft does not have to be remotely presentable.

>>17412193
No that's just your 'tism getting out of control. Reign that shit in. Plodding along getting words out is infinitely valuable than painstakingly crafting the perfect paragraph/sentence/phrase/clause.

>>17412226
>>17412333
I always hate this argument. Like yeah, I get you're supposed to edit and and the first draft will probably bad, but I absolutely despise approaching my writing in drafts.

I'm not writing a first draft, I'm writing a finished novel. If, at the end, I look back and decide to edit it (as I often do), then that's fine. But writing a purposefully shitty version just because I know I'll fix it later? I can't do it.

>>17412382
If Tolstoy couldn't write without drafting I doubt you can. Just suck it up and accept that all first drafts are shit.

>estimated how many books I will have to write to complete my story
>40 books
>with a set 200,000 words for each
I am going to agonize over how long it is going to take for me to write my most anticipated chapters.

>>17412417
But, I'm better than Tolstoy.

>>17412417
I understand that. I almost certainly will edit later. What I'm saying is I just hate thinking "well it's a first draft it can be a bit shit" and not trying my absolute hardest.

>>17411993
You asked this last thread, my answer is still the same (and correct).
>>17397437

Can I get some critique on this piece?

how do i know when i have a story

>>17412517
Try reading this, anon: https://jimbutcher.livejournal.com/4053.html

It's part of a whole series of blog psots on the subject of writing a novel by the author of The Dresden Files.

>Have a great idea for my story
>To scared to write it in case it's shit.

>>17412544
do it anyway. You might just gain a niche following.

>>17411818
That's another method. It takes longer and many more drafts. The first draft might just tell you what the actual story is about. So it's kind of like an outline, in its own way. On the other hand, it can take a damn while to make a proper outline with the proper tension structure. I think discovery writers, as they're called, are more impulsive and treat the first draft or two as a process of figuring out what the story will be. My personality is better suited for outlining, so I go with that, although writers can outline in very different ways.

>>17411993
It's called harem, usually of the litrpg flavour. Like the trash anime pumped out each season.

>>17412533
He gives great lectures on writing too, some on YouTube. It's basic info but he presents it well.

>>17399759
These anime images are great OP, you have revolutionized these threads.

>>17412455
It's actually quite freeing. I used to be like you and only managed to squeeze out a few hundred words here and there that I'd agonise over and then get frustrated if I later had to cut them to improve the story.

Now I just push on during the first draft no matter what. If I can't think of a description, I write (DESCRIPTION OF X HERE). If the details of a conversation aren't coming, I write (DIALOGUE ABOUT X) and keep going. Every 20k ish words I go back and smooth things out.

A new thread is up for those who want to switch.

>>17412624

>>17412577
No, I don't think litrpg harem is what I'm thinking about.

>>17412800
Based. I never finished a single book in my life.

>>17412455

Think about it this way. Every single art, and I mean literally every single one, works by doing ""drafts"" and then detailing more and more.

Imagine a sculptor. He begins with a big piece of rectangular stone. He begins by taking away big chunks of stone. Then other chunks, not so big. And every pass he details more and more and takes away smaller chunks until he finishes by sculpting tiny teeny lines and polishing.

Painting, writing, drawing, filming etc. all arts are like that.

>>17411323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAlVBnlkK-U&t=579s

>>17411566
you sound like a real prize winner bud

>>17399933
how so?

>>17412197
You never leave your house, do you? Books are advertised plenty. Most of the ads I get with my cookies are for bookstores.

>>17410797
>unassuming demeanor
Fuck does that mean