/lit/ - Literature

>>17413688
Women are retards that desecrate and profane everything they touch that wasn't handed to them by a man

Astrology like literally every ancient study is something older and grander than the shit it ends up in today.

Because it's a girls thing, and it probably is a girl thing because men don't like it and people tend to segregate.

Because every girls magazine is full of shit like it and has a focus on relationships, something women care more about.

>>17413700
this

>>17413702
Idk I used to be into like queer bullshit and feminism but then I started actually talking to women. I mean like wtf, if someone actually sat me down and sat me straight about their bullshit I would've been getting laid a lot faster.

>>17413688
Spoken like a true uninitiate.

>>17413688
Why are men into anime and vidya

>>17413688
Women are just more casually religious but christianity is low status now so they pick other stuff. Astrology also has an obvious added hook, it plays off narcissism.

>>17413688
What a surprise that women flock to those things that exalt the ego and pleasure to the highest degree possible. Oh no

Women are biologically cucked by moon cycles so they get into astrology to cope.

>>17413688
They want to feel unique and quirky. That's all there is too it really.

>>17413760
>>17413756
Yes we all know how famously humble men are

Astrology is based but normies almost never come anywhere near the real thing. Birth charts are unironically the lowest tier of astrology.

>>17413765
I didn't say men were less narcissistic than women I said they are less casually religious, less likely to believe in 'spiritual' stuff. The comment about astrology feeding narcissism was just explaining why it outcompetes other post-christian religious options.

>>17413765
To be a man is to be ascetic. Should the individual not be ascetic, they are no man, but a diseased boy whose body ages faster than his mind. If we are to believe the fallacy of linear progressivism, a woman is naught but a freed slave that remains a slave nonetheless.

>>17413688
The, as some anons have said, desecration of something as exalted, ponderous, and gruelling a study as the esoteric is and has been unceasing since at least the 20th century. The simple answer is that Wicca and modern 'astrology', feckless and shallow rooted ghosts, in many regards outright fabricated, is an easy out for women wanting a unique moniker that has an abysmaly low bar of entry that purports female empowerment and all that. The basic social shellgame. And what a contemptable waste it is. Where is the language of symbolism in Wicca? The ascetic drive which demands rigor and the development of personal gifts, with which to do otherwise is a grave offense to the Lord? It is not like women cannot be faithful and driven Esoteracists, we have Atwood and, Golden Dawn affiliation aside, Dion Fortune afterall.
Fuck Wiccans make me disappointed. I have studied ChristioHermeticism for three years and I still feel I am in some ways unworthy to call myself learned im it.

>>17413899
*learned in it

>>17413899
yeah buddy

>>17413688
Harry potter

>>17413927
Is this intended to be patronising or in agreement? Its late and the auts are strong

>the stars can effect the tides, the moon, the earth, the sun, the formation of and destruction of stars and galaxies but not an individual soul

>>17413994
it was in agreement. i'll say based next time, i promise.

>>17414003
all the stuff in the first category has a physical explanation, astrology does not. I'm not even necessarily opposed to the concept in principle, but it's either metaphysical, or it operates by some physical process we know nothing about.

>>17414017
it has a physical explanation today. for a long time it didn't. the body is material and is subjected to outside forces like everything else in the universe.

>>17414013
Ah, I see. Please forgive me, anon. It is hard to read sincerity through text and this IS /lit/ so either option seemed plausible, but genuinely thank you for clarifying
>>17414003
I think one of the most lamentable losses in what got passed into mainstream astrology was the planets as Archonic, though not in the Gnostic sense, forces that acted upon and reflected parts of the mortal psyche rather than just mere planets. Same with all of its tie ins to Alchemy.

>>17414021
You can make accurate predictions about the interactions between the stars and planets and moon(and human bodies for that matter if we're just talking about gravity). As far as I know there is no such body of accurate predictions for astrology. There is neither a posited mechanism between stars and individual, nor a robustly predictive schema.

>>17413768
Based and horary-pilled.

>>17413768
what's the highest tier then? astrology tier image time

>>17413765
kek

>>17413688
Makes them feel powerful and special I suppose. My aunt's into that nonsense, in her case it probably stems from rebelling against her Christian upbringing, she experienced a lot of hypocrisy and emotional abuse so it makes sense she went in a totally opposite direction.

>>17414003
affect

effect means to cause an entire action, like "i am going to effect some big changes around here" it is related to aristotelian "efficient cause," the instigator of a total action

affect means to change something that is already self-subsistent, like "i affected his mood" or "i affect the flower"

if you affect something, you have AN effect on it. but if you affect something, it means you are just pretending to be characterized by that thing (it is just an affectation). affects are also emotions, pronounced "AH-fects." but affection also means things undergone more generally, in the older sense of sufferance/passion as "undergoing," "being the subject of." but not subject in the sense of governance and subjection, subject in the sense of being the recipient of an action. so if you affect an affectation of having affects which do not correspond to real affections, you may effect an affect in someone else such that they effect to affect you in ways that effect the affections you initially merely affected. i hope this helps

because they saw other people doing it. they don't understand any other grounding.

women also fancy themselves quirky, special, underground, etc. so LARPing as a witch or some shit lends to that. it's not like doing something that actually takes effort or danger, so it's very convenient.

>>17414473
>affect means to change something that is already self-subsistent, like "i affected his mood" or "i affect the flower"
lrn to type sperg

>ree why are women into astrology
>Meanwhile we are on a board where hyperborean magic is being discussed
I find this /r9k/-tier whining about women to be extremely cringe.

>>17414949
Hyperborean magic is real and so is astrology. Women are holograms projected by demons.

>>17413688
lack of masculine Christian men to drag them to church and fill them with bristling seed

>>17413700
no it's not it's always been cope.
just like psychology the modern equivalent

>>17414973
unironically this

women go horrendously astray witho

>>17414949
Gonna cry about it cunt?

>>17414953
hyperborean mdgic is just science
the only true magic is Zoroastrian seethe magic through which someone can seethe at the universe so hard weaker minds surrender.

>>17414949
you will never pass

a lot of trannies in this cursed thread

>>17413688
>me see person do thing
>that mean i do thing
>if person who is not me not do thing that mean that person bad
Women's thought process when it comes to just about everything. It aint complicated

>>17413688
Astrology and wicca girls are just the female equivalent of the esoteric larpers on this board. In this day and age believing in pagan nonsense, spirituality and magic is very feminine. Just become a Christian like a normal person.

>>17414982
Come to Thule tomorrow at noon and see what happens nigger.
>>17414993
I already passed my initiation as solar warrior.
You gonna get a good taste of my viril fist on your gabber m8 of you keept talking shit.

>>17415018
LARPER LARPER LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARPER
It is your (((scientific))), (((materialistic))), (((democratic))), (((humanist))) world which is the LARP.
We will raise a king and burn the cities and the books, and everything will be good again.

>>17413688
>their satanism or witchcraft
I doubt they even go all the way into esoteric stuff. Its a crutch for them to feel special. Like some people who try to revive paganism, but don't actually believe god(s) exist.

>>17415025
Literally seething. Sad!

>>17415021
>already passed my initiation as solar warrior.
you're basically an Hamon user in a world in which everyone who is anyone has a Stand through Knowledge and Conversation with the Holy Guardian Angel.

>>17415010
That's pretty much everyone's thought process, regardless of their gender, it's one of the main causes for so many conflicts through history.

>>17415042
Women are unquestionably more of a slave to conformism than men.

>>17415036
Hamon is all I need to fight the pillarmen of these ages.
And besides that, it's the manifestation of my steeled body and will. Stands are gay and not viril.

>>17415052
It's a woman's nature to submit, now the trick is to have strong men so women don't submit to weak or wicked men ans give birth to abominations. They really don't know what they're doing half the time

>>17415052
This is demonstrably untrue when you look at the US military, as an example of mass conformity.

>laying down mah lahf for mah cuntry just like mah daddy and his daddy!

>>17415060
>Imagine believing that staying outside absorbing the sun's energy is anything special when litteraly most mammals already do thst to metabolize vitamine D.
>Imagine believing that somehow ejecting your true self out of your body and using it to beat the shit out of people isn't manly.

>>17415084
The US military is a job + free college education that mostly poor people sign up for.

>>17415084
today's conformist is the liberal pacifist globalist, the soldier by definition goes against the expectations of woke society which will forever suspect fear and hate him.

>>17415093
>it’s da globalists!
>it’s da liberals
>it’s da wokies
>it’s da jooooooooz

Your /pol/ is showing

>>17415099
my rationalism is showing, just as your submission to the demons that rule the world. Begone, you are not on the side of Life, God and Civilization.

>>17415099
/pol/ is a perfect example of nonconformity, you would be terrified of ever being publicly associated with anything to do with /pol/. and no it's not because /pol/ is stupid, you wouldn't be similarly terrified if people thought you were a flat earther

>>17415107
You submit to anonymous chuds on an image board. You can dress it how you like but THAT’S the truth they don’t want you to see, anon. Sad!

>>17415111
>and no, it’s not because /pol/ is stupid

You must be over 18 to post here, you know

>>17415111
here you go
even got a triple
very mythopoyetic

>>17415119
I submit only to God, God's reason and God's nature.
You are a disgusting debased slave to History, the harlot the Romans called fortuna.

>>17413688
>why do women like X thing that I don’t like?
>thread is full of autistic incel screeching
Never change /lit/

>>17415099
your vagina is showing

>>17415131

>>17413688
Women are more interested in social activities. Astrology and numerology primarily deal with people

Male dominated superstitions incline towards tangible things. Cryptozoology, ancient ayys, moon landings, flat earth etc.

>>17415141
Why are men so based lads?

>>17415124
/pol/'s stupidity or lack thereof is not the point, the entire point of that board is saying things that you can't say elsewhere.

>>17415140
litteraly and honestly:
no u

who cares? why are men into nationalism and evolan sex magic books?

>>17415159
They are looking for answers, meaning, purpose. Women are only ever looking for fashion accessories

>>17415152
When your average /pol/ post is ‘I think the niggers and Jews and trannys are all teaming up with globalists to genocide the white race with the help of Bill Gates’ they’re hardly saying anything of worth.

If you can’t put your name to your views and back it up, it’s essentially worthless. But anyway, my point is that they also conform, just not to the neoliberal order of things, but they’re still stuck in their petty tribal war, same as the liberals, just they’re more barshit crazy about it.

>>17415168
>they also conform
>they can't put their name to their views
You guys will literally never get it lmao, you are so steeped in the democratic mythology of pseudo-rebellion that you are actually incapable of recognizing what actual dissent is.

>>17415175
Do you think /pol/ is dissent? To liberals maybe, but to the actual ruling class, they give them exactly what they want

>>17414977
It is. You will never fully understand half of pre-modern art and literature, and philosophy, without a basic understanding of classical astrology.

>>17415180
oh sure of course

>>17415180
If /pol/ gives the ruling class what they want, why are you not allowed to say that stuff literally anywhere else of any size? Why do the ruling class react so much more dramatically to far right 'chatter' than any other part of the political spectrum?

>>17415185
you mispelt astronomy
I don't need to know how it was used for divindtion to understand the symbols.

>>17413688
Because without strong men to anchor them down their heads fly off into the clouds

that's just how women do

>>17415197
They’ve got to be seen to keep up appearances. Outright endorsement is out of the question, that’s why Trump was coy about it, using specific dogwhistles. Also, far-right ‘chatter’ is far more likely to get people killed en-masse, as we have seen. So the political elite had to be seen to be doing something to shut it down. If /pol/ fags kept it to insane ramblings online they’d be mostly left alone like the left, but they don’t

Women are dumb and politics is for retards. I don't like niggers

>>17415180
The only way I could understand you saying this is implying that it's a good choice for the elite to keep at least one hate valve open (it is), but if that's not what you mean I can't wrap my head around what you're trying to imply. Where does actual dissent happen? Leftypol? r/askhistorians?

>>17415215
BLM riots killed about 20 people and cost 2 billion in damage last year and every large corporation, most of the government, and most of the press supported them lmao. You're a bootlicker

>>17413688
Us men are into astrology designed for us. Namely: philosophy.

>>17415222
>BLM riots killed about 20 people
not even close to accurate

>>17415219
Well yeah, that hate valve that works in their favour to act as a shield from people who are actually dissenting. /pol/ and the alt-right are pawns for elites consolidating power, is what I’m getting at. Criticise BLM and whatever, I don’t care about it, but if you get your own government using militarised police against you, I’d say that’s some dissent.

>>17415200
I think anon is referencing its purpose as a dictiomary of symbols and symbolic processes rather tham as a tool of divination.
For example, Saturn is, put simply, the form of an astute but incredibly cruel teacher, pather than just a planet with rings. This carries the Earthly symbol of Winter, which for early man was a time of great peril in that he would starve if the crops got fucked, Winter as the teacher who kills the student if he fails to learn. You will have to forgive me for the short example, as I am both still studying it myself and I would need an essay to explain in greater depth.

>>17415222
Even if that was true, 20 people is just one far right shooting

>>17415250
in that case no argument here

>>17415245
yeah it is
Just fuck off back to wherever you came from and keep sucking the dick of everyone in power while knowing you are never even vaguely in danger of facing consequences. They like you guys playing dress up rebel for them

>>17415248
2/10.

>>17415251
it is true and no

>>17415263
>yeah it is
You have no sources, because it's not true. You're just a racist liar exaggerating to make a black movement look bad.

>>17415248
>if you get your own government using militarised police against you,
you mean like the 10s of thousands of soldiers in the capitol lmao

>>17415271
Yeah it is true, and you're a pathetic fucking coward. You literally can't even think let alone say anything that could get you in trouble with the state.

>>17413688
It’s the goth/emo variant of New Age/Crustafariian weedlmao

>>17415271
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests#:~:text=According%20to%20Forbes%2C%20as%20of,people%20died%20during%20the%20protests.

>>17415289
>Wikipedia
>according to Forbes

Fuck me.

>>17415289
most of these were trigger happy cops, exactly what they were protesting

>>17415293
Yeah wikipedia is famously a far right site that is sure to inflate those numbers. You have no actual point just go back to leftypol and pretend talking about communism scares the state you piece of shit

>>17415298
>>17415280
you just had a president for 4 years you incel subhuman

>>17415301
Yeah and he was really far right wasn't he? No he was a conservative retard and he still caused the entire permanent government to lose its shit as well as practically every other powerful institution. fucking faggot

>>17415298
Bro it’s not a case of it being ‘far-right’ anybody can edit/change a Wikipedia page so it’s a poor primary source. And I mean if you’re using Forbes for your news? Beyond help. Is this the best you can do?

>>17415313
he attempted a coup based on a fake fraud conspiracy with no evidence in an attempt to install authoritarian rule. thats fascist tier

Only thing that is as cancerous as /pol/ is people complaining about it, i.e. leftypol. Both sides come with full arsenal of buzzwords they use when they have no arguments, both of them have only one thing in mind, and that is to limit or derail the conversation where ever they go.

>>17415315
Better than your complete lack of any source at all isn't it

>>17415301
"we" just had the most inarguably stolen elections in the history of democracy
Any moral high ground you claim is fucking ridiculous.

>>17415318
>he attempted a coup
no
>fake fraud conspiracy
since they refused to audit the election we'll never know will we

>>17415318
>with no evidence.
with oceans of evidence after you shilled the russiagate bullshit for 4 straight years.
Enjoy war with Iran and China now you fucking deserve it.

>>17415330
lmao youre a fucking schizo. 0 fucking evidence

>>17415326
>since they refused to audit the election we'll never know will we
we know enought just by the fact that they refused
Also the whole concept of checks and balances has been as thoroughly debunked as phrenology.

>>17415330
>>17415326
>>17415323
There's literally 0 evidence of election fraud. You are delusional. Trump lost and you don't care about democracy because you are fascists. You need therapy.

>>17415333
you are not in contact with reality if you think that Biden is litteraly the most popular politician in the history of America.

>>17415301
And you backed a senile, dying organ of the state industrial complew with an a totalitarian shewolfbitch as his VP into power. Now please, contribute something to a discussion on the esoteric or move on with the gently ticking clock of numbered days you have left before you smoke a shotgun like you suck cock that started going when you snipped your peepee off because you were sad. FUCK

>>17415339
He's not, but he still is the president and won the election. Trump is disliked by most people outside of Methburg rural shitholes.

>>17415336
there was 0 evidence of russiagate
there is overwhelming evidence of election fraud beyond any shadow of doubt.
You are delusional.

>>17415336
You need to kill yourself you cowardly faggot

>>17415345
That's why you lost every court case. I'm done talking to you. Get help and get used to your loss retarded redneck.

>>17415344
he didn't win the election, but he's the president anyway. Liberalism got Disproved as hard as anything can be.
Deal.

>>17415350
Why not do an audit then? lmao at how you 'rebels' instinctively trust every fucking institution you pretend you rebel against, the courts, the press, the alphabets, all of it

>>17415350
there was no court case because your brave judges refused to take the cases. We weren't defeated in one single legal case because there were none.
If you actually had cared one iota for democracy you had been on the streets.

>>17415250
What book would be good scratch at the surface of astrology? Some short and sweet introduction to the basics.

>>17415319
>my source with no evidence is better

Is this how amerimutts actually think? No wonder they doomed themselves. They are the decline of the west

>>17415358
they are all rebelling together in perfect lockstep lol

>>17415362
Yeah a source is better than no source at all
>the decline of the west
Check with your commissar if you're allowed to say that it might be racist

it's all the same, liberalism, democracy and free market have been thoroughly disproved as LARPs outside of the faintest shadow of a doubt, now we build the remnant.

>>17415165
sad tohear that anon. I love women

>>17415360
Manly P, Halls work Astrotheology is a great starting of point, anon. Alexander Roobs Alchemy and Mysticism is also a handy reference. I would also reccommend looking up books that specify the links between astrology and alchemy.

>>17415373
in your dreams nazi douche

trump schizos are actually worse than astrology roasties

>>17415381
I love them but they drive me insane sometimes.

why the fuck are burgers awake and why are they discussing burger politics on /lit/

>>17414003
Yes. Imagine being stuck in a cope mechanism from 400 BC to own the scientists lmao

>>17415392
As every other great and noble ventures of life: women, the truth, a whale.

>>17415370
Beyond hope

Astrology is based
Your consoomer thread is shit

>>17413688
I hope some mtf trannies completely take over astrology and romance novels with their usual insane troon bullshit. White women will have to sit there and take for fear of losing progressive status points.

Change every romance pairing from dark brooding billionaire & plain mousy girl to dark brooding chaser & shrieking, deep-voiced tranny with a 5 o'clock shadow.

>>17413790
Incredibly based. Yes. To be a man is to have control over one’s passions through reason. Women are not creatures of reason, therefore their natural place is to be under the authority of man.

Women are terrified of independance and consequence, believing it's "written in the stars" gives them an excuse and frees them from responsibility.

>>17413688
>astrology
>bullshit
oh no no no
who's gonna tell him?

>>17415469
Astrology and coomsoomerism go hand in hand retard

>>17415191
>>17415197
They give the ruling class what the ruling class wants to bait people into becoming racist so they know who to crush. It's like if some kid's teacher called him a troublemaker so he says fuck it and becomes one to spite them. It just doesn't work

>>17415165
Just admit you've never talked to a woman

>>17413700
What's a good resource or book or whatever to help actually understand the significance and contexts of astrology as a study, not just the lore of star signs and the basics of all the traits those signs embody?

>>17413688
people who are not very smart or lack prupose often want something greater than themselves to latch onto
men might worship billionaires or believe in a jewish conspiracy, women might get into astrology. same shit.
its all about feeling like youre part of something greater.

>>17414953
That's bullshit, but I believe it.

A really easy way to actually talk with them even with that shit is to talk about how it can relate to psychology or something
Especially good if they meditate on that weird shit

>>17415250
This anon knows what is up.

>>17415180
>to the actual ruling class
Who, whom?
I agree with the idea that /pol/ descends into negative collaboration of a sort.
Still the joke of:
>Lefty/pol/ is real dissent
>Source: dude trust me my professor said so
Is even more laughable. Try reading the Red Decade. Or if you cannot even read that, then perhaps you would prefer to seriously argue that the political predilections of the university intelligentsia and its student body are secretly rightist in nature. Can you even define the right? Can you even define the left? By what definition is: (1) the university system, (2) its professoriate, (3) its student body and (4) its effect on the elite and itself over time right wing?
>>17415215
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives/
Just some food for thought.

>>17414003
>individual soul
holy spook

>>17414003
>the stars can effect the tides, the moon, the earth, the sun, the formation of and destruction of stars and galaxies

Were you homeschooled by some some cultist retard with no understanding of science? Stars don't AFFECT any of those things. Tides are controlled by the moon, the earth is affected by the sun's gravity and the moon by earth's. Formation of stars happens in nebulae and destruction is an inherent process not dependent on other stars. Galaxies are made of fucking stars, what is wrong with you, christ.

Good bait, got me mad.

>>17413688
Second religiosity