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Any progress on your novels?

previous thread:>>17478772

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry

Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Suggested books on getting your fucking work done you lazy piece of shit:
>Deep Work
>Atomic Habits

Traditional publishing
> Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/
> Write a query
https://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/
> Track your query
https://querytracker.net/

Other Resources
>General grammar/syntax/editing help
https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html
> When/where/how should I write?
https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers
> What software should I write with?
https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/
> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP monie
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650
> Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
https://www.royalroad.com/
> Basic overview of the Screenplay format
https://screenwriting.info/

>> No.17493516
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>>17493501
Those need reduced.

>> No.17493558

>>17493501
god i hate you so much

>> No.17493563

>>17493501
burn in hell animefag

>> No.17493567

>>17493400
As long as your daily life is about a japanese high school.

>> No.17493599

Is there any non-cringe way to handle giving a name to a character who doesn't have one (like an amnesia case for example, although I'm not doing amnesia obvs). Thinking of having the character see some sort of form to fill out that has like Name ........... D.O.B. and thinking their name is Dob from that, but it's still a bit shit isn't it

>> No.17493625

>>17493400
I think that's just a form of autobiography.
>>17493455
You write things that aren't you mental fantasies?
>>17493599
>form to fill out that has like Name ........... D.O.B. and thinking their name is Dob from that
Is your character retarded?

>> No.17493626

>>17493599
Maybe someone calling them "Bud" or "Buck" in a friendly way and them just kind of sticking with it. Or someone thinks they're someone else and they just take that name. They could use someone that they look up to/relate to.

>> No.17493642

>>17493625
>is your character retarded?
10 yo, entire life in coma in a cave, not the most street-smart of fellows. Don't know why I'm even wasting time thinking about this tbqh anyway, it's not the project I'm working on and it's such a fuckhuge one I'm saving it until I'm like 50

>> No.17493643

Guys, Noel makes me want to kill myself. she's perfect in every way. She's so cute and sweet and soft-spoken and she does ASMR and lets us listen to her heartbeat and whispers "I love you". I wish I spoke enough Moonspeak to understand most of her ASMR stuff but it all makes me feel so horrible.

>> No.17493659

>>17493642
He's ten years old?
I think something like him thinking his name is Dob could work.
Though I think >>17493626 came up with a much better way of doing it.

>> No.17493684

>>17493626
>>17493659
There is a character that calls the boy who needs a name by a mocking nickname frequently so I could do that or some form of it slowly becoming his accepted name, it strikes the right note of vague misery that is this kid's life

>> No.17493744
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17493744

> Any progress on your novel?

I actually finished my word count a few days ago, 55,000 words, the first time I've ever done that for a novel. I've had this one brewing in my head for three fucking years, it's time to come out. My writing process has been like this:

Write up outline, figure out word count > vomit out the words needed for narrative structure and word count from outline, though not necessarily in polished sentences > polish up the vomit, fashion a sound first draft > revise from there

I've actually posted a piece of it in critique threads before, here's the basic storyline for the first in my planned trilogy, called Kid Demiurge:


> disgruntled anon who is an intel analyst for the US army goes full Persiaboo, sets off a chain of events with his knowledge which throws Iran into color-revolution mode and transcends into another reality by doing so
> narrative style is a mix of classical Iranian literature and a contemporary spy novel


Can't wait, I'll be shilling on Amazon and probably here once finished. I also want to commission some artwork, and it won't be bullshit money either, more than most I've seen commission... I'm aiming for something between Beardsley and Jean de Bosschère for the illustrations, I wanted to hit up the drawfags at /ic/, but idk if they'll bite, anyone have tips for negotiating this?

>> No.17493769

My mom has a masters in technical communication and I showed her my recent writing and she said that my observation ability and the way I write is hands down better than anything I had written before. I’d blame this just on her being my mom, but the recent reviews of the thing I just wrote by other people confirm what’s she’s saying. Did I finally find my voice?

>> No.17493786

I just want to write porn.

I'm reading a few through a kindle unlimited trial to get a feel for the genre. So far, I've noticed that most take a pretty long time to get to the actual sex. Like maybe some nudity, but I haven't read one that gets to actual sex scenes before about halfway through the book. Is that kind of standard for the genre, or is it just that the books gives away for free aren't very good? Like the one I just read had nothing until about 75 percent through the book, then it was three back to back to back.

>> No.17493787

>>17493643
Go neck yourself

>> No.17493806

>>17493744
How do you "shill on Amazon"?

>> No.17493812

>>17493806

Idk, I'm a retard. Get adspace, I guess that's what I meant

>> No.17494129

>There is
>There are
>There is
>There are
If I start another fucking sentence with these two words I'm going to drown myself. There is no two ways about it.

>> No.17494169

>>17494129
>There is no two ways about it.

>> No.17494186

How do you stop repeating basic words like "My" "I" "And" without going into purple prose.

>> No.17494188

>>17493625
>You write things that aren't you mental fantasies?
My mental fantasies are the comfy shit that I wish I could do in the near future. What I write is completely unrelated, and requires a bit more of mental work.

>> No.17494191

>>17494129
I have the same problem with pronouns. He did this. He did that. He He He He He. Occasionally I'll throw in a His or start a sentence with an introductory phrase before a comma and pronoun. I feel like it must get repetitive for readers, but I'm not sure what to do about it.

>> No.17494221

>>17494129
>>17494191
You two need to learn how to vary sentence structure. Add conditionals in your text (If, perhaps, maybe) or rhetorical questions. If you're writing fiction, you can get away with breaking some semantic rules if it helps with what you're trying to say. Also, vary sentence length. It helps to break the monotony in the narration. And last of all, read more and write more.

>> No.17494235

>>17493455
>Lately I've been thinking about writing my 'mental fantasies' (the shit I imagine that is unrelated to what I write). I could definitely plan it as a slice of life type of thing that could be popular, similar to doujins but prose. Could make it erotic even, that shit sells a lot.
I'm still not so sure about it, but it is something I keep in mind.
That's basically what I write, though I just post it online for free. Overall I've been happy with the attention my stories have been getting, but I'm not sure many of my readers would be willing to pay money for them.

>> No.17494241

>>17493643
>>>/vt/

>> No.17494262

>>17494188
Oh I get it, you mean stuff that's actually grounded.
That's not something you see everyday.

>> No.17494271

tfw just had to sit through a monologue about a they calling terfs human garbage piss babies while the professor clapped and everyone agreed with her in zoom chat

>> No.17494304

>>17494235
Do you post them in a blog or in a fiction-focused site (wattpad, royal road, etc)? If it is the latter, does it have explicit 18+ content?
>but I'm not sure many of my readers would be willing to pay money for them.
You can always go the Patreon way and ask for donations in exchange for earlier chapters/deleted scenes/shit like that.

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17494311

I feel like I can't write naturally anymore. My latest thing is that I'm too concerned if I'm using too many "to be" verbs or not. The first novel of my series was written in a relaxed, almost colloquial style, but my second sounds stilted at some points because I refuse to use the word "was" when it would fit best. It also has a problem with sentences being longer than they should be, because I was trying to bump up my Flesch-Kincaid score from 4.5 (which, I realize now, was mostly because my dialogue used super short sentences). Trying to fix this all in editing.

>> No.17494329

>>17494271
Creative writing class? Some highlights when I had one
>revenge fantasy about a conquistador who talks like a valley girl getting murdered by strong amazonian mermaids
>story about a guy getting pissed on for money (that was the whole story)
>girl from the hood writing barely coherent rambling monlogues about her sex life and STDs in graphic detail

>> No.17494334

>>17494262
Kek
Grounded is not the word I would use, as it is genre fiction (fantasy, however ironic that sounds); but it isn't some self insert shit but an actual story that requires active thought to plan instead of the half-asleep ramblings of my mind.

>> No.17494354

>>17494329
yup, mixture of people turning off their zoom videos and then typing sheepishly in the chat box how good it was, while (funny enough) all the non-white classmates said nothing

>> No.17494360

Has anyone ever written under the influence of stimulants / psychoactive drugs? Perhaps some shrooms, or LSD like Huxley.
I've never written after smoking weed, though it did give me some interesting ideas to work with.

>> No.17494440

>>17494360
I wrote loads of lyrics on Tramadol, posted it online and got a lot of compliments and because I was so happy and high I thought it was great. It was actually just okay.

>> No.17494444
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17494444

>Yeah so Wish Mountain is about a guy called Hress Dunter -- yeah yeah sounds like 'Dress Hunter' lol, he's accused of murdering the Prince of Rose Kingdom, and the first episode of the series delves into whether or not he's an innocent man or not. Also there's vampires in the story with big tits like yours. Can you go get me a hotdog?

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/37998/wish-mountain

>> No.17494456

>>17494444
nobody cares

>> No.17494520

>>17494444
creative way of advertising I'll give you that

>> No.17494568

>>17494304
>Do you post them in a blog or in a fiction-focused site (wattpad, royal road, etc)? If it is the latter, does it have explicit 18+ content?
InkBunny actually. It's a furry gallery site that is mostly for drawings, but has support for other media as well. Naturally the site has a lot of 18+ content. My stories don't always contain sexual content, but when they do it's usually pretty tame. The vast majority of the time it's just stuff like masturbating, looking at porn, or dreaming/fantasizing. There's also some fetishy content that isn't explicitly sexual in the context of the story's world, but is probably used sexually by my readers and myself.

>You can always go the Patreon way and ask for donations in exchange for earlier chapters/deleted scenes/shit like that.
My day job provides me with more than enough cash. I'm mainly just doing this as a hobby, I don't want to turn it into something I feel obligated to do.

>> No.17494578

>>17494568
>furry
Why anon, what happened to you?

>> No.17494579

>>17494568
Interesting. I have a fairly successful porn comic there and am also looking to find a way to make money off of my (nonporn) stories.

>> No.17494580

>>17494578
My parents got me a Sega Genesis when I was 4. It came with Sonic the Hedgehog 2. Do I really need to say more?

>> No.17494598

>>17494580
I'm glad I was a nintendo kid

>> No.17494601

>>17494568
>inkbunny for stories
Just use sofurry or FA lol, maybe you'll get more than 2 digits of views

>> No.17494616

>>17494601
both those places are worse

>> No.17494623

>>17494311
sounds like you're imposing artistic limits on yourself without good reason.
>crank out a first draft without any kind of rules like your "to be" rule
>when you're done go back and think about the tone of each scene and each chapter
>rewrite it so it fits that tone
>then on the third draft you can impose any dumb rule you want on yourself

>> No.17494624

>>17494616
There is no "worse" furry websites, it's all furry

>> No.17494636

>>17494624
2007 called, they want their stale memes back.

>> No.17494638

>>17494616
Unless you're posting cub stuff like some drooling retard, a worse UI should be worth it 100% of the time if it means more people reading your stuff. The level of pride you'd have to have in your work otherwise is unimaginably low to me.

>> No.17494640

>>17494329
>scrawny guy with no friends and awful hair writes a story that includes a sex scene where a guy loses his virginity and manages to make a girl cum multiple times with details that make me wonder if he's ever really had sex before

>> No.17494644

>>17494578
>>17494580
Am I the only one who started wanting to fuck animal people after I had already grown up and not as a result of something from my childhood?
>>17494601
>>17494616
I find AO3 to be a very good site to upload to.
>>17494640
How do people write all of this shit and attach their name to it openly to a bunch of other people? I thought I was shameless.

>> No.17494651

>>17494601
I already had an account on InkBunny when I decided to start writing. Plus, my stories revolve around a group of kids and early teens, so I worry the sexual content (even though I try to keep it appropriate to the characters' ages) would get me kicked off of other sites.

That said, I'm satisfied with the attention I'm getting. All but 2 of my stories have over 300 views, with some of my more popular ones getting close to 800.

>> No.17494658

>>17493786
The build up is usually worth the pay off, but taking 75% of the book to get there sounds a bit long.

>> No.17494664

>>17493744
Straight up that sounds great. Reminds me of Borges eith the mix of pulp and literary influences. What will be the name when it comes out on amazon?

>> No.17494670

>>17494638
Well yes, I post cub stuff, but the fact that those other sites don't allow cub means they're shit sites. Like some kind of nazi tumblr.

>> No.17494676

>>17494329
Mine was pretty tame when I took one a few years ago. Maybe the ability to keep cameras and voice turned off in online classes brings out degeneracy in full force.

>> No.17494708

>>17494664

Kid Demiurge, I'll make my rounds here again, and I can give you a throwaway if you want updates

>> No.17494720

>>17493501
God DAMN I love big anime titties!

>> No.17494847

>>17494658
Alright, thanks, I'll read a couple more to get more of a feel and keep that in mind. Honestly, right now all I have written is the scene where the MC catches the main girl masturbating, so it's not like I have to do any rewrites yet.

>> No.17494860

>>17493501
I'm wondering about how to market. It's difficult as hell, but I have a potential Youtube funnel now.

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Hello, this is my first time posting on /lit/, but I will get right to the chase.

>was writing an anime fanfic
>self insert reader x character
>been writing for more then a year now
>getting close to finishing it
>probably close to 150+k words
>have done the first round of editing (fixing grammar, spelling, flow, etc)
>haven't published a damn thing

What do you guys recommend for things like chapter length? Mine right now are normally around 3-5K, some of the larger ones push a little over 7k.

And once I finish it, should I just dump the entire thing? Or do weekly/bi-weekly releases? I plan on dropping the first 10 or so chapters right away, but I am clueless on how to anything past just writing and editing.

>> No.17495175

>>17495168
>anime fanfic
>should i just dump the entire thing?
yes

>> No.17495490

>>17495168
Generally shorter chapters are better for the sort of thing you're writing. People read about 200 wpm, so a 2000 word chapter takes people about 10 minutes. I like to end chapters on cliffhangers or dramatic moments, so I really think of chapter length as just the pacing between those. I think 2000-4000 words results in a solid pace. Much more than that, and you better be sure that they're already very invested in what's going on.

>> No.17495550

https://pastebin.com/twAzLKpQ

>> No.17495609

>>17495550
Remove the keycap from your comma key.

>> No.17495657

I need my MC to sound like a pretentious kid who want to be a writer. Basically the “Most Writers Are Writers” trope except self aware. Let me know what your thoughts:
Now it’s not that my grandfather had not helped us out in the past, he had, but my mother is a proud woman and often refused money from other people. Except for me of course, but that is a completely different scenario because I was paying rent. Yes, I still lived with my parents until I was twenty, and you know what I am not ashamed of that. I think far too many people in this country look down on young adults for living with their parents despite the absolute monstrosity of a shit show this country is for living as a minimum wage worker. Never mind that my own parents actually needed the rent money for a variety of reasons. The general cost of living is unreasonable, add a family to that and you get your typical cramped household family at late night comedic TV shows laugh at and play up as “trashy” for some reason or another. I will never understand it. Back to the matter at hand though, let’s just say that before my family’s living situation wasn’t exactly lavish. I am not complaining, we are generally healthy in terms of relationships and we got by just fine. I am incredibly grateful that as a young adult I could live above the poverty line, that itself is extremely comfortable as opposed to the options below it. Now however, a bucket of money was spilled into our humble laps, and frankly we did not know what to do with it. You could say it was a monkey paw situation where the opportunity to be reckless I’m with money is staring you dead in the face but you know the reason for gaining that money is, well, dead in the face. I say “our laps” because my mother is a generous woman and gave her close family members a portion. I chose with mine to pursue higher education.

>> No.17495674

I only wrote 800 words today, but at least they were 800 words that I think will escape the draft. A solid scene.

>>17495657
I think you should read more Hemingway if you want to do what you are doing because you are currently not doing it well enough.

>> No.17495726

>>17495674
>read more Hemingway
Haha it always seems these types of characters quote Hemingway all the time
>you are currently not doing it well enough
Thank you for your honesty. I think I get what you are saying but if you could expand on this just a bit?

>> No.17495775

>>17495726
Your narrator being a bad writer is not an excuse for bad writing. What you are going for seems like someone who thinks he can ape Hemingway's style, hence why I mention him specifically. Now think, why would you want to read a Hemingway clone? The answer is that there's a good story attached. However, the Hemingway-cloning must at least be done well. Mind that Hemingway's style was underscored by his personal machismo often coloring the subjects he wrote about with a complimentary light when paired with his prose. The humor I would expect in a story like yours would be coming from the incongruity between the style of writing and the subject/philosophy of the writer. Whether or not you choose Hemingway's style specifically for that in the end, you had better choose some style and learn to think in such a way because what you posted lacks in form.

>> No.17495794

/wg/, I'm crashed. I just can't meet my word goal anymore. I don't have the energy

>> No.17495807

>>17494311
Does OpenOffice have a way to check the FK score?
>>17495794
What's your word goal and over what timeframe?

>> No.17495818

>fell asleep right after work again (6PM-midnight)
>if I write now, tomorrow I'll be tempted to do the same thing again
why are we built to need so much sleep, this sucks

>> No.17495832

>>17495775
I’m going to have to out myself a dimwit here and let you know that I have never read a Hemingway book in it’s entirety.
>because what you posted lacks in form
The MC will trail off instead of focusing on the initial thought a lot like this because it’s supposed to be a diary, but I can see how that could get annoying quick.

>> No.17495840

>>17495807
500 a night

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>>17493516
>have the body of a breeding goddess at a young, ripe age
>decide to get them reduced instead of simply lifting to strengthen your back
To what end, anons?

>> No.17495881

>>17495866
she looks better after desu, big tits look saggy and sad. And her tits in the after are still a solid B cup

>> No.17495893

>>17495881
gotta agree. now she can go for a run and not end up a pillow by age 30

>> No.17495906

>>17495893
This, big tits gotta be annoying when you run

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>>17495918
>just noticed the typo
kill me

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>>17495918
>>17495920
Jesus Christ, just delete and fix it.

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gotcha

>> No.17495939

>>17495840
Don't really know how to help you with that.
Seems like there's probably some bigger issue outside of just writing problems.

>> No.17496043

>>17495938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAykOz1gWi4

>> No.17496046

im in the middle of detailed plotting a pulp low fantasy novel about a religious acolyte in an alternate history south asia where catholicism has been twisted by real life magic/mysticism, motivation is at an all time high and im keen to get the whole thing written in a couple of months

>> No.17496147

>>17496046
god speed anon

>> No.17496172

>>17493642
How can he read if he's 10 and been in a coma all his life? That kid would literally be mentally retarded.

>> No.17496185

>>17494169
That's the joke

>> No.17496269

>>17495832
The writing sounds like a how-to blog post instead of a story. Is that intentional?

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17496304

sold 3 books and now I'm a #1 new release

>> No.17496582

>>17493501
not a writer and no intention to be but I recently heard sartres method of writing was to sit and go over the lines in his head allowing it to 'build' until he's ready to burst then he would write in explosive bursts until his pace slows then repeat - are their any books describing how different writers write? any you've come across that seem interesting or any you do?

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>one (1) and a half (.5) hours
>278 words
autoediting is hell but i think i'm having fun writing again, insallah

>> No.17497276

>>17493516
Amongst a few crimes worse than Holocaust, this is one.

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17497336

Is this arousing? would housewives like this if I included it in a 50 shades knockoff novella?

>> No.17497470

Writing to a platonic girl friend on a valentine card:
"Thank you for making winter feel warmer"
I don't want to convey anything sexual whatsoever. Does that work?
Sidenote: I do want to convey she's a cold bitch because next to her anything is warmer but a lot more subtle

>> No.17497544

>>17497470
unironically writing anyone a valentines card conveys wanting to smash but I'm in my early 20s so might be different for your age group

>> No.17497552

>>17497544
Yeah, we're older and have an established friendship. It won't be taken romantically but I don't want the words to feel sexual.

>> No.17497557

>>17497552
the words themselves don't seem sexual to me so I wouldn't worry about it

>> No.17497565

>>17497470
you're playing with fire dude. have you done this to her before? you would know how she would react better than some anon on the internet.

>> No.17497570

>>17497565
I usually get her flowers but I'm angry at her and want to write a double meaning card calling her a bitch

>> No.17497595

>>17497570
why not just speak to her like an adult?

>> No.17497610

>>17497595
women aren't adults lol
you have to beat them at their own passive-aggressive game. talking it out would never work.

>> No.17497616

>>17497610
if you believe women aren't adults and play passive aggressive games why are you friends with them? I cannot imagine wanting to be friends with a child

>> No.17497626

>>17497595
She twisted words. I can't talk to her; I've tried. It's really complicated. Her persona ties to my absent father. They're both sharks. She's been really friendly for years and has helped me a lot, but at the same time sharks operate a certain way. If they're giving you something, they expect something in return regardless of how you feel. My dad had means and by 10 I learned not to ask him for favors because of how fucked it was to relate to him and how he treated me. All this ties to my psychology to this day. So I'm taking the opportunity to work some stuff out and try to make the relationship work without getting hurt. It happened once with her. Now I'm going back to how I was with my dad but while still trying to maintain channels open. Now that I'm older and the real world is a bitch, sometimes you have to deal with that shit head on and not shut off.

>> No.17497637

>>17497470
Just give her the nastiest bittersweet chocolate you can find.

>> No.17497641

>>17497610
>you have to beat them at their own passive-aggressive game. talking it out would never work.
>playing womanish games to get back at a woman instead of just ghosting them
ngmi

>> No.17497705

Some writing advice: never forget how important is to economize sentence complexity. A good analogy for writing clear prose is to simplify a math equation. You eliminate redundancies unpack the terms to make the math problem easier to solve. Usually there is a simpler way to express a thought than what occurs to you at first.

To take an oversimplified example only a retard would do: "They either did do that or they didn't do that" could be rewritten as "They either did or didn't do that" Or better : "They might've done that" . In this last case the modal verb implies either/or, saving you from having to repeat yourself.

Many more provocative examples of these situations exist. In each case the basic rule holds: always choose the more concise way to express a sentence unless there is a good reason to not.

>> No.17497712

>>17497705
solid advice, could you give some good examples of reasons to not simplify?

>> No.17497758

>>17497712
You are not a cocksucker who thinks that there is only one valid and interesting narrative voice.

>> No.17497786

>>17497758
I'm not sure what this means did you mean to reply to me?

>> No.17497818

Is 80k words good for a first novel? I’ve at least heard it’s not a good idea to break the 100k mark your first time.

>> No.17497833

>>17495657
Not a bad start anon, but your writing could use some work. Quite a few sentences run on a little too long. For example;
>...and you know what I am not ashamed of that.
should be
>...and you know what? I am not ashamed of that.
Like the other anon said, your writing itself is also a little awkward. I know the character is supposed to be pretentious, but I think you should try write simpler.
>...I could live above the poverty line, that itself is extremely comfortable as opposed to the options below it.
This, for example, would probably sound better if you just said,
>We lived comfortably enough above the poverty line.
Hope this is useful man, keep at it.
>>17493744
Congrats anon. Hope it does well.

>> No.17497843

>>17496582
Stephen King has a pretty good book on writing. Whether you like him or not, you’ve gotta admit he’s so prolific that his advice has some merit. He treats it as the job it is to him. He literally sits down 8 hours a day and just writes, forcing himself to put words down even if he’s not quite sure to what end. He believes that needing to wait for inspiration is a myth and you will do better training discipline.

>> No.17497846

Since this is a recurring topic - is there a decent _practical_ book or course on writing effective prose that won't make you cringe one year later?

No academical analysis texts, just simple Dos and Don'ts with examples

>> No.17497960

>>17495938
The second sentence runs a little too long. I would break it up into three with periods after "comparison" and "cuticle." I would also try and be a little less "wordy" if you know what I mean.
>He forced his mind to try and take in every place his mother led him, but the pain, it pushed his memory away as if it were something archaic and disgusting.

>He tried to take in every place his mother led him, but the pain pushed his memory away as if it were something archaic and disgusting.
Sounds like an interesting idea anon. Good luck with it.

>> No.17498026

>>17497843
>Stephen King has a pretty good book on writing
lmao

>> No.17498096

>noooo you gotta write simple effective prose
meanwhile Wolf Hall is a bestseller

>> No.17498154

>>17497818
where did you hear that?

>> No.17498199

I want to be a writer so bad bros but I'm afraid my prose will never be good enough. I have about 10 novels outlined. Like detailed. My outlines are like scripts where I describe what the scene will be and then the dialogue. But my prose is so shit. A couple of /wg/ this dude dropped his short story describing this school and I just thought to myself why even try if you can never reach that. My dialogue is apparently good fromthe feedback I get. So now I must bid farewell fellas, i think I'm going to move to screenwriting and comic writing though I have no passion for it. It's the hand God dealt me. Good luck bros.

>> No.17498243

>>17498026
Call me back when you can write ten thousand words of publishable writing a day.

>> No.17498382

>>17497786
The way I read it is he's calling the original adviceposter a cocksucker who thinks that there is only one valid and interesting narrative voice, and he's saying "you are not" because you're literally not that guy, you're a different guy.
If every sentence was as simplified as possible literature wouldn't be a thing.
>They either did do that or they didn't do that
Some nice rhythm and internal repetition going on, creates a comedic uncertainty
>They either did or didn't do that
Less rhythmic but the comedic framing is tighter in this form, could be a line from Catch 22
>They might've done that
The totally simplified, meaningless and shit form.

>> No.17498399

>>17493501
>Any progress on your novels?

Yeah, I'm about 36k into my fifth or sixth novel, i dunno, lost count. Pretty happy with the progress, except for the fact that I started the book almost a year ago, and vowed to do nothing whatsoever until I finished. Didn't work out that way. Pretty sure this one has a good chance of getting published. I have another book i got about 20k words in and abandoned because I thought up this brilliant idea of the one I'm working on now. I have another novel that's finished, but I really think its unsalvageable garbage. Have two others that could be the makings of a good series, but both of them need serious work, I wrote them really before I had any fucking idea what I'm doing.

Other than that, I got a memoir sort of thing published in september. Usually I only get published like once a year. I got about 4 short stories submitted places, and I submitted one to a contest yesterday, even though I never have luck with contests. I got like 10 other short stories laying around that have promise but I got to edit them and goof around with them until they're perfect. I'm doing all that shit simultaneous with the novel, even though I said I wouldn't do that. And then I got like 100 ideas for stories that I'll probably never get around to writing.

>> No.17498453
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17498453

Anon who was waiting for a girl to read his first draft since Thursday here, she finally got around to it and she's into it
Now if only I'd written more than like 2000 of the 50000 words left since November

>> No.17498537

>>17497626
You sound like a real whiny cunt. Nobody should get this worked up over a girl you explicitly don't want to fuck.

>> No.17498567

>>17497626
you like her don't you
like, you like like her, don't you

>> No.17498581

>>17496269
Well in the beginning more or less. It starts as a diary seeming to go no-where until MC gets obsessed with a love interest and it basically becomes a “how our love started” type of thing. The writing is supposed to get less try hard and more genuine after character growth.
>>17497833
That is very good advice, thank you anon. I thought hamming it up with run-ons would help the affect of making MC look pretentious but like the other poster said, that’s not an excuse to write badly. I’m going to be looking back on dairy-style books as well to help me improve, do you have any recommendations?

>> No.17498697

I’m trying to come up with a company name to use in my sci-fi book. It’s an exploration and charting company that primarily seeks out exploitable life or other resources. I want to give off strong colonial vibes, but I’m a bit blocked. My first thought was The Xenomorph Outreach Initiative, but that’s too science fictioney. Then I thought naming it something more straight forward like The Milky Way Company, like how there’s the East India Company in history, and the main character just works for the Xenomorph Outreach department. Any suggestions?

>> No.17498725

>>17498199
Just write YA. The school story was a bit shit IMO.

>> No.17498736

Are there any good books or yt vids that talks about the actual process of writing, how to take idea into a book?

>> No.17498749

>>17498736
have you considered just writing?

>> No.17498755

>>17498749
I do but I wonder if there's stages to it such as planning and outlining

>> No.17498782

>>17498697
>I want to give off strong colonial vibes, but I’m a bit blocked.
I’m doing something similar in my sci-fi but not necessarily the same. Is colonialism a part of the plot? Anyways to answer your question, what I personally am doing is naming things and races after ancient civilizations or biblical ideas. Say for example you have a ruthless group that will preform atrocities even onto their own people if it comes to it, you might use Doric Greek words/names for them in reference to Spartans.

>> No.17498834

>>17498736
Story Genius is my pick. There are also like 6 other recs in the OP.

>> No.17498840

>>17493558
>>17493563
You have to go back

>> No.17498942
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17498942

Is this fine to submit to my school's flash fiction contest? I'm worried about it being too edgy.

>> No.17498986

>>17498942
How old are you anon

>> No.17499003

>>17493501
>Any progress on your novels?
Yup. I'm writing a long serialized work. Have been more motivated lately and am in the middle of one of my longest storyarcs now.

>> No.17499005

>>17498782
>Is colonialism a part of the plot?
Yes, it’s about a colonial fort with a small contingent of the company trying to contact and establish trade relations with a new race. Again, kind of like the east India company from the 1700s in space.

For the race names, I’m trying to keep it science-ey. Like what would these creatures name themselves or what would a biologist name them? So most come naturally after I come up with their physiology, but I’m having trouble with companies and countries.

>> No.17499023

>>17498986
37

>> No.17499033

>>17497276
Yeah, this one actually happened

>> No.17499068

>>17498942
Nah it's not edgy at all m8

>> No.17499179

>>17498840
consider suicide

>> No.17499185

>>17498243
>he's good because he's popular!
you need to leave

>> No.17499208

>>17499185
>I don’t like his writing, therefore he has no valuable advice
No, you retard. I am saying that if you want to write more or if you want advice on how to write or on different styles, which the original question was, then his advice is worth listening to. I didn’t say anything about quality. I said that if you want to write more, someone that writes thousands of words a day might be worth listening to.

>> No.17499251

>critically read through a christie novel to understand how she writes prose

>he said X
>she said Y
>he cried Z
>then he replied slowly: A
>And said B

The simple writing meme is true. On this random page I picked there's like 5
He said X
right after each other

I did not notice or care when I read the novel as a reader

>> No.17499279

>>17499251
Christie isn't known for masterful prose, she's known for entertaining mysteries. The prose doesn't need to be anything more than serviceable for that.

>> No.17499366

>>17499005
Nice, my characters are on the other end of colonization much like the people living on unceded territory.
Hmm I’m not entirely sure how to help you then but it sounds cool. You can always mash and steal from colonial copies names with a twist or language swap. Doles becoming eðols or something.

>> No.17499463
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17499463

Jjust pulled the trigger on submitting to retard road, waiting for approval. Over 200k words in, first 5 chapters exhaustively edited, maybe too much, first 100k had one pass. Well past time to get people's feedback. Was going to commission a cover but after looking around a bit, did it myself. Not an artist but I think it does the job. Figure for a release schedule the first 9 chapters, up to the inciting incident, once a day. Then change it up to weekly. Still need to actually finish the novel, but pretty close. Hopefully.
My apologies, but I'm also going to start shilling this once a thread, and then later in the week also start doing so on plebbit. Not happy about that fact, but its required. Hope you guys like it.

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17499497

>>17499463

>> No.17499500

>>17499463
Erased is the name of a fairly popular anime

>> No.17499511

>>17499497
lel ye. took the cue from F. Gardner too. figure its a decent enough name

>> No.17499516

>>17499463
>200k words
>9 Chapters until the novel actually starts
>still not finished
Yikes

>> No.17499525

>>17499500
honestly never heard of it. there're a couple books by that name too, iirc. I dont care. should be good for cross potential searches then maybe

>> No.17499590

>>17499463
>Over 200k words

Yeah, i can already tell you fucked up.

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17499593

>>17499463
I'll follow and check it out. How long can we expect chapter lengths?

>>17499516
sounds reasonable. It takes like 40 chapters before the real action starts in my fic and I'm sometimes falling behind schedule since I have to write after every release. I'm also around the same word count not even remotely close to being at the equivalent middle part of a story.

>> No.17499613

This is the kind of encouraging emotional support you can only get on /lit/

>> No.17499648

>>17499593
>How long can we expect chapter lengths
the first chapter is short. like 2k words. as soon as it gets approved I'm immediately going to upload the 2nd one. I tried to have each chapter close to 3k. I have 68 chapters drafted now. A handful are a bit over 2.5k, the rest are 3k or more, longest I think is like 3.7k.
>>17499613
jealousy is an ugly thing. not that I care, pissing in an ocean of piss. love you guys

>> No.17499683

I wrote a novel from late 2011 to mid 2013. It was 105k words. It sat on my hard drive until September of last year when I read over it and began editing it again. It’s now over 130k words and 427 pages when I formatted the manuscript. I got he copyright back last month. I want to have someone else look over it and give me pointers/criticism but it’s a big undertaking for most normies that only read Facebook posts and short stories. I also want a nice cover but finding an artist has been troublesome. I have no clue where to go from here.

>> No.17500180

>>17494444
pump out chapters and get on trending. that will get you more readers than shilling to the same anons on /wg/.

>> No.17500215

>>17499208
If you want to write godless tons of pure shit, then Stephen King is worth listening, I give you that. But why would anyone want that, or why would you recommend doing this?

>> No.17500218

>>17499593
>>17499648
I take it these massive chapter counts are unique to the sort of serial web books you guys are going for, right? There is no way those are actual traditional novels you guys have written in the hope of getting published?

>> No.17500232

>>17499683
Do you have any family members or close friends who would do you a favour?

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17500274

>>17499593
>It takes like 40 chapters before the real action starts

>> No.17500292

>>17500218
I'm not interested in getting into the hellish rabbit hole that is publishing.

>> No.17500295

>Do some research on the occult for my idea
>Start with wikipedia

>>According to a 2009 study by the Pew Research Center, 18% of Americans say they have seen a ghost

>> No.17500297

I've written 30 pages of my non fiction book

>> No.17500302

>>17500297
What is it about?

>> No.17500343

>>17499463
There is already an "Erased" on RRL, You might have to change the name.
Good luck anon and don't shill on Reddit till you have at least 10 chapters out. You can only make those posts once and most of the RRL audience only read after there is a sizeable chunk of chapters.

>> No.17500482

>>17500302
economics and finances of hospitals

>> No.17500793

>>17500215
Because he is writing and people asking for advice usually are not - which is why they ask for advice.. I may be cynical, but I'm willing to bet 90 percent of this thread would kill to be able to write that much in a week, much less a day, especially if it's actually getting published.

>> No.17500965

I told my buddy I'll read his story and it has so many amateur mistakes. Fuck.

>> No.17500988

>>17500965
Like what? Tell us more

>> No.17500998

>>17500965
Tell him you're gay and you've been lusting for his prick ever since you read the first sentence. He'll go away. Or...he won't. I dunno, still worth trying.

>> No.17501005

>>17500988
Adverbs, for example. So many adverbs. Adverbs in every sentence. I see nothing but adverbs.

>> No.17501018

>>17501005
Is it YA? If so, that's a plus.

>> No.17501020

>>17500998
what in the goddamn

>> No.17501597

How do I write a powerful feminist book?

>> No.17501635

>>17501597
Be a POC woman

>> No.17501799

I'm lonely. Should I succumb myself to writing with only part of my soul? Will it change anything?

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17501879

>friend writes garbage fan fiction
>doesn't want to git gud

>> No.17501934

>>17501597
Write a book about an incredibly flawed woman, like 10x more flawed than anybody you can possibly imagine, but then just have her believe she's strong and independent and empowered, and everyone else will think so too.

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17501977

>tfw first book in my big series is done
>tfw working on the second book now
>tfw poking around trying to get the first book published

I'm back on the wagon writing query letters after years away. I've also got a few friends and connections, here and there, who might be able to help me out. Wish me luck, guys.

>> No.17502005

>>17501977
Good luck. Honestly, sincerely. That shit sucks, but good luck and congrats.

>> No.17502020
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17502020

Any crits to be had at all?

>> No.17502071

>X did Y as he...
I'm trying to write in English. Not a native.
This kind of sentence is retarded, right? How do I fix it?

>> No.17502091

>>17502071
I mean not really. We'd need the actual sentence to tell you if it fit or not

>> No.17502222

Did anyone who seriously recommends The Art of Fiction actually read the damn thing?

>> No.17502247

>>17464073
I need more of this in my life. Your fecund, feculent writing gives me hope for my future.

>> No.17502248

>>17502222
>reading books about writing
Just read normal books and write. Don't be a faggot.

>> No.17502305

>>17502248
After 30 pages of rambling about popular 'trash' and 'garbage' with no clear argument, while praising the classics (that nobody today actually wants to read) I'm starting to agree with that notion

>> No.17502392

Why does there seem to be such a negative association with longer works here?
>>17502248
>>17502305
This. Read what you want and write what you want. Don't treat writing like you're trying to become an engineer.

>> No.17502412

>>17502392
There isn't, but no one wants to devote time to reading them for giving crit

>> No.17502441
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17502441

>which

>> No.17502457

Should I go full retard with my sci-fi smut story and have it so that having males is a trait only left in humans and that all other spacegoing species reproduce via science to have only females?

>> No.17502494

>>17502457
i wouldn't read something like that but my dick would

>> No.17502503

>>17502457
>spacegoing species
>only female
I realize its only a story anon, but that would really be stretching the reader's suspension of disbelief.
Also, on a more practical note, you do want characters that you can have your mc kill without regret. I'd imagine having to kill only women would be difficult.

>> No.17502508

>>17502503
>not killing women
Gay

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17502557

>>17498399
Congrats anon.

>> No.17502579

>>17502503
>Also, on a more practical note, you do want characters that you can have your mc kill without regret
First off, ryona is hot. But what if the main antagonist is a rogue ai or a hivemind thing like tyranids?

>> No.17502582

>>17498453
Homosexuality is a sin.

>> No.17502638

>>17502392
I can't be arsed with longer works unless it's something I'm interested in. And even when it is something I'm into, I often don't have the attention span for it. I think some people spend way too much time with pointless bullshit instead of just getting to the damn point.

Like I was looking at fapfics one time and found one that sounded interesting, but then saw it was over 100 pages long. I understand needing buildup sometimes, but I'm not going to read 70 pages just to get to the good part.

>> No.17502661

>>17502508
>only killing women
I mean, Dahmer was pretty based. you know what, I take it back. but your mc has to be a serial killer now

>> No.17502696
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17502696

I have been conquered by autism and gave a harsh critique to my buddy's chapter.

>> No.17502697

>>17502696
If he's not a pussy it'll be fine

>> No.17502725

>>17502638
Understandable.
I've only read long pieces of things I like anyways, so I wouldn't know what it's like to sit through something you don't enjoy for that long.

>> No.17502743

>>17502696
you fucked up. you could have built each other up through enthusiastic reinforcement and shared admiration for the great success stories in literature. now you're doomed to live in the mines of criticism while your work continues slavishly, not even better off than it would otherwise.

>> No.17502759

>>17502696
through this he will only grow

>> No.17502780

>>17502743
Should we compliment garbage? Live in the world of lies? Look at shit and say it's a rainbow?
No. We are not clowns. We do not live in a circus. I want something genuine. Don't you?

>> No.17502803

>>17502780
by that logic i should think very little of you.

>> No.17502820

>>17502803
Mutual feeling. I don't respect faggots who can't stay truthful to their beliefs, faggots full of lies.

>> No.17502831

>>17502820
you're so adamant! clearly you know best. i'm sure your life is all the better for it :,)

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>>17493501
Pics of your submittable? Bonus points for every rejection you receive

>> No.17502930

>>17501879
> nooooo Virgil, you can't write a shitty fanfiction of the Iliad and call it the Aeneid

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>>17502908
What the fuck is a submittable

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17502979

>>17493501
I passed 400 lines in my poetic epic, only 9,600 more to go.

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17502984

>>17493501

>> No.17502993

>>17495168
what >>17495175 said

>> No.17502997

>>17502970
something that can be submitted

>> No.17503009

>>17502020
It's like a rabbit then not like a rabbit? Seemed clunky to me.
What does the "addiction" part refer to?
What is he circling? A stick in the dirt?
This is a story about dad not being present, isn't it?

>> No.17503015

>>17502970
I see you are also a scholar of self-published literature

>> No.17503092

>>17500215
Doing something is better than doing nothing.

>> No.17503121

>>17502979
Do you have a sample? What type of verse are you using, something like dróttkvœtt?

>> No.17503278

>>17498581
>diary-style books
Sorry anon, all I can think of right now are children or YA books, but that's clearly not what you're looking for.
I've never read it-and I don't think it's a diary-but American Psycho might be something worth looking at. Features a pretentious mc speaking to himself.

>> No.17503304

I slept too little last night and ERP'd after work instead of working on my novel as a result. I've also realized that the adventure I outlined would only take a week or so. I need to figure out how to slow the characters down a bit between chapters.

>> No.17503320

>>17503304
I also erp instead of writing my novel. Last night, I played as a gaggle of high school girls at a slumber party that a big she-stud crashed so she could rape them. I always say, at least it's writing. Could be worse. Could just be cooming to manga or something.

>> No.17503344

No seriously, what the fuck is a submittable

>> No.17503357

>>17502020
I think it's pretty good anon, but the quality seems to vary. The first sentence is fantastic. Like that other anon said, the comparison to the rabbit is also not bad but sounds a little awkward when you contradict it later.
>The cabin was small, leaving little room to avert one's eyes from an argumentative glance of challenge
The phrase "argumentative glance of challenge," reads a little awkward. Might be better just to say,
>Little room to avert one's eyes from something one might drink to forget.
In the same vein,
>Yet they were such tiny eyes, in comparison to the grey eyes through which his father witnessed many things.
Would sounds better as,
>They were such tiny eyes. Nothing compared to the grey eyes which had witnessed so much.
I think simplifying some of your sentences and not trying to fit so many ideas into them is a good way of improving the writing.
This is just a personal choice, but I would also remove the explicit references to alcohol and just call it, "the drink." Might play better into the fairy tale-like prose and better reflect Quinn's ignorance as a child.

>> No.17503360

>>17503344
it's anon flexing that he has submitted items for publication.

>> No.17503362

>>17503344
something that can be submitted

>> No.17503370

>>17503344
many (most?) magazines and publishing houses will use submittable.com as a way to collect online manuscripts and submissions from people

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17503371

I know this is a longer passage, but if anyone has any comments on even just one paragraph I'd love to hear them.

>> No.17503372

>>17503344
What the fuck is google

>> No.17503383

>>17503372
It's a search engine. But that's not important right now.

>> No.17503387

>>17503320
Were they at least furries

>> No.17503415 [DELETED] 

Stupid question /wg/, but is 25 an old age to start seriously writing? I've been busy doing other shit, and finally I'm hitting my stride; I'm embarrased that my Wikipedia page will show I'm a late bloomer, which I have an irrational disgust at being

>> No.17503421

>>17503415
Stop wasting posts with asinine questions.

>> No.17503434

>>17503387
Yes, though I also have a human loli I play as sometimes. Two if you count Gwen.

>> No.17503441 [DELETED] 

>>17503421

This thread's running slower than snot, and it's a general thread, so I'll ask. Next

>> No.17503445

>>17503434
I do not

>> No.17503449

>>17503441
>>17503359

>> No.17503465

>>17503449

Duly noted, didn't know that existed on this board. Thanks for redirecting me, I'll do my part.

>> No.17503539

I decided to rewrite my novel and start from scratch. Yes I am the anon from a couple of weeks ago

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>>17503539
forgot pic

>> No.17503548

>>17503539
Who??? Epoch anon?

>> No.17503553

>>17503548
the anon everybody called a furfaggot

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>>17503553

>> No.17503579

>>17503567
I made a post explaining my novel idea and anons said it was very furfaggoty as apart of it involves spiritual fox deities

>> No.17503584

>>17503579
I am glad it happened, it caused me to rethink and eventually get the dedication to start from the beginning. What I previously had was written terribly and needed to be revised. I will probably rewrite what I have again though.

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>>17503121
I can post a sample yes and i use Pentametre.

"The volley from Pilgrim’s rifle now barked
A burst of fury into the brute’s warped,
Bruised, and mangled excuse for a figure,
His chest unfurled as when does a flower
When nectar beckons bumblebees with such
Beauty, so too then did the putrid sludge
That seeped from the brute’s many small craters
Beckon the pests within who so laboured
To reveal themselves and seek a new host.
The brute flailed and howled, from his innermost
Core there spewed a song of anguish and of
Things for which one craved; success, joy, and love,
Things this creature could only dream he would
With his remains to act as the firewood
Kindle a flame that may ignite the pyre
That signals hence the end of this hellfire.
“Mother!” Wept the brute as his entrails spilled.
“Forsake me not for those people I killed!
I have done what I have done for I know
No better way to live, that I must go
To heaven in such a grotesque body
Instead of the infant when you held me
So lovingly within your gracious arms,
When comfort and pleasure had kept me warm.
Think of me so, I beg, and not of this,
Think of me alike to when you had kissed
Me for a final time before you died.”
Slowly and painfully the brute expired,
His memories leaked from his eyes and out
To join the other fluids, no sound nor shout
Escaped his lips, he was one with the dead;
Not one of them the luxury to shed
Their sour tears, they lay in perpetual gloom
Just as Satan’s cohorts had met their doom."

>> No.17503744

>>17503371
it's standard prose, good yob

>> No.17503762

2500 words now. But it's all disjointed and just random scenes I wanted to get down on paper. I need to seriously start planning and linking them together before it gets too bloated or I start repeating myself. Is about 10,000 a good word count for a short story?

>> No.17503788

>>17503415
I started at 32. You'll be fine.

>> No.17503877

>>17503121
>>17503704

What are some good books which can help me understand all the forms of poetry (sonnet, pentameter, etc.)?

>> No.17503907

>>17503877
I'm >>17503704 and i can't help you with that, i know nothing of poetry beyond classic epics that i used to read a lot.

>> No.17503964

>>17503877
https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Poetry

>> No.17504165

>>17503907
Which classic epics would you recommend?

>> No.17504236

/wg/, I'm struggling, and I'm genuinely not sure I have anything left in me.

I was inspired to write after reading Homestuck. Everything about the story filled me with excitement. I wanted to emulate it with all my heart. About six years ago I started formulating an idea for a story, it was highly derivative but it engaged me, and for years I didn't go a single day without thinking about it. Eventually, I was driven to write a short story in my setting. I bit off more than I could chew, and in the process, that little story spun off into an entirely unrelated novel-sized project. I started writing it, but bad criticism cowed me. I stopped for about a year, but a run-in with a hypochondriacal health scare made me realize I could very well die leaving nothing behind, and that sudden fear and desperation resulted in me finishing the entire novel in the span of three months. I loved, and I was thrilled, but I still had that original story on my mind. Half formed, barely holding together. It was another two years before I had enough to get started on it. By the time I got there, I wasn't so excited for the project anymore. Four years of obsession had burned me out, and it was hard to get the words out. Eventually, I had to get a therapist to help me through this process. He advised me to start a writing group with some friends, so I did. No sooner had I proposed it than I regretted it, and as I was on my way to meet them for our first meeting at B&N I was already looking for an excuse to quit. There was a book reading going on where we planned to meet. We had to move to the cafe on the next floor down where the tables were too small to hold more than one laptop, but the crowd above was so noisy. One of my friends went upstairs to see who it was, then immediately ran down the up escalator to tell us. It was Rebecca Sugar, the creator of Steven Universe, which me and my friends had all been fans of. Our plans aborted, we joined the crowd and listened. She was speaking about the creative process, giving advice for aspiring creators like me and my friends. I knew at once that this was fate behind, and though I didn't have the passion running through me anymore, that certainty that my victory was inevitable drove me to write, and write, and write, one tiny snippet of content at a time. It took two years to get to the 95% mark. two grueling years to write a story that I had long since stopped enjoying, but was determined to see through to the end. Despite that it was draining and I struggled to keep a daily pace. eventually, seeing inspiration, I decided to go back to Homestuck, the inspiration that originally inspired it and see if I could get something back, but instead of finding inspiration I found hopelessness

(1/2)

>> No.17504239

>>17504236

Like with my story, Homestuck was driven first and foremost by the author's passion. The story had been going on for several years by the time the author crashed, and once that happened not only did the comic take a nosedive, but much of the original assets were lost along with flash, and every spinoff and sequel ended up a mismanaged and disappointing mess. Andrew Hussie has shown that he no longer has the spark of writing, and many have begun to note that homestuck itself could not have survived in the first place. Learning that made me realize that I could never have followed through with my dream of a 4-book series either, and even if I had, even if I had never lost that spark, in the end, it all would have turned to dust in the wind

(2/2)

>> No.17504258

>>17504239
kill yourself. you best days are behind you, and now all that's left is for you to turn to dirt

>> No.17504269

>>17502696
I completely savaged my brother's entire novel so bad that he started to write a massive rebuke for all of my notes, he did accept a small portion of them and he genuinely looked sad when I met him the day after. He then told me the next day that he'd been up all night thinking about things and changed his mind to agree with me on most story notes I'd made and he's now implementing them.
The only downside is I know think he's even more fiercely committed to the absolute worst aspect of the novel I pointed out, it's like 90% dialogue, claiming that will be his style.
Just telling someone how great their below average shit is and not being critical because you're scared is the worst thing you can do.

>> No.17504271

>>17504165
I would rec this:
The Iliad
The Odyssey
The Aeneid
Divine Comedy
Paradise Lost

On the side you can read other stuff i would suggest Jason and the Argonauts as well as Metamorphoses.
>>17504236
This is tough, so much of that i could relate with and for me part of the difficulty i find in writing is knowing i'll never be as good as what i read. So often i throw away books and fearfully crack open a page in tears knowing my metre is a bastardized mess, i also find myself losing that spark and i hate myself for not taking the chance when i could.

>> No.17504280

>>17504269
>worst aspect of the novel I pointed out, it's like 90% dialogue
Bet you think JR is a terrible book too, huh?

>> No.17504294

>>17504236
>after reading Homestuck
Gross. You can do whatever you want if you stop consooming /co/ shit

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I'm not going to make it, lads. Go on without me.

>> No.17504346

>>17504294
anon, I'm not a pretentious person. I write low culture because it's what entertains and inspires me, fully aware that what I'm writing is trash. Not everything has to be shakespeare. hell, shakespeare isn't "shakespeare". his works were meant to be trashy entertainment but stayed relevant long enough to gain the blind respect of a good vintage. I obviously don't expect that much out of my own work, but I want to feel like the creative spark is still in me

>> No.17504366

>>17504346
I was just shitting on you. I don't hate low culture but I do have a profound distaste for all /co/ media. I think you just need to relax a little bit. If you aren't enjoying your story, think about new interesting ways you could take it, or even think of a new one, perhaps at a more manageable scale, to dedicate your time to. Going all out on passion causes burn out, but you can keep it going in moderation if you don't constantly indulge the excitement.

>> No.17504400

>>17504366
>Going all out on passion causes burn out, but you can keep it going in moderation if you don't constantly indulge the excitement.

yeah, I guess. it's hard for me not to be all or nothing sometimes. ADHD on top of Aspergers on top of Bipolar III means when I'm into something I obsess. I need to find a more stable state of existence

>> No.17504404

>>17504300
you don't have my permission to not make it

>> No.17504420

>>17504271
>The Iliad
>The Odyssey
>The Aeneid
>Divine Comedy
>Paradise Lost
Thanks, when I have the time, I'll buy them.

>> No.17504431

>>17493501
Anons how do I write dialogue that isn't fucking terrible

>> No.17504438

>>17504431
Just feel out what that character would say.

>> No.17504494

>>17504431
Read it aloud and get a feel out of it,

>> No.17504497

>>17504420
Don't sweat it, incase you want to read or have access to these in their original languages here's my favourite online source for many historical texts.
https://www.hs-augsburg.de/~harsch/augustana.html

>> No.17504528

>>17504497
Thank you, this will help immensely.

>> No.17504577

>>17504431
Try to imagine your characters speaking to each other in their voices. Does it sound natural? Does it sound stilted? Are you autistic?

>> No.17504602

>>17503383
Use it to search up what it means, idiot.

>> No.17504639

>>17504577
I can't visualize it, do I have to act it out?

>> No.17504691

>>17503092
>Doing something is better than doing nothing.
whooooaaaaaa duuuuuude

>> No.17504704

>>17500793
OR, you could just read an actually competent book about writing and not try to ape Stephen King.

>> No.17504715

>>17504704
Sorry, anon, I only read the bestsellers.

>> No.17504732

>>17504280
>Bet you think JR is a terrible book too, huh?
Objectively? They were, there's no denying it.

>> No.17504746

>>17493643
We all know that feeling one way or the other, anon, stay strong.

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>>17493501
forced myself to write 200 words today bros

>> No.17504765

Any of ya'll writing anything special for Valentine's Day

>> No.17504766

>>17504759
That's a good start.
Do it every day.
Work your way up to five hundred.

>> No.17504768

>>17504759
Good luck, anon, lords knows I do.

>> No.17504770

>>17504759
So, like 10 minutes of work? Congratulations dude

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>>17504765
>Valentine's Day

awww shiet did you have to remind me?

>> No.17504782

>>17504765
My suicide note.

>> No.17504807

>>17504770
Every journey begins with steps, anon.

>> No.17504815

>>17504807
how on earth did they let you through elementary school?

>> No.17504853

>>17504765
No, and why should I? It's been commercialized to hell.

>> No.17504905

>>17504766
How do I make sure what I write is eligible for my story?

>> No.17504922

>>17504905
Worry about that later. Just get a story down first. That's the most important part.
Also—never ever let yourself trash a story because you don't like it. Even if you move on to something else, keep it around no matter what.

>> No.17504941

>>17504922
I wish it was easier. I have the story outline but I can't write the first chapter.

>> No.17504956

>>17504941
There's nothing to it but to do it.
You really do just have to sit down and make yourself write.

>> No.17504971

>>17494444
I tried it, can't say it's the most amazing thing. Post more, self advertise less.
Two chapters a week off you go

>> No.17505003

>>17504956
I know, anon, I know.

>> No.17505045

>>17504971
Any problem you have with it?

>> No.17505063

>>17504300
What's holding you back, anon. Come discuss it.

>> No.17505080

>>17501005
What's wrong with Adverbs?

>> No.17505099

>>17505080
It’s a beginner’s trap and should be used sparingly.

>> No.17505110

>>17505099
I just think if it's done well, the rules or restrictions should be broken. let the writers experiment for a bit.

>> No.17505113

>>17505110
A sentiment I share, but until a writer has found his footing, he shouldn’t used cliche things.

>> No.17505119

>>17495866
Her body her choice, anon.

>> No.17505124

>>17493812
Why not get ad space here on 4chan? Works wonder for that Gardner.

>> No.17505135

>>17504775
you'll find your special someone, anon. Don't give up hope.

>> No.17505149

You guys write with music playing in the background?

>> No.17505150

>>17505113
Writers should write what they want and not try and imitate other authors.

>> No.17505154

>>17505149
Most of the time. I find it helps get into the mood of whatever you're trying to write.

>> No.17505157

>>17505149
I write in complete silence and with nothing else to distract me.

>> No.17505162

>>17505149
Not really music, but a series of ASMR videos. Anything louder just distracts me.


https://youtu.be/RJIQdBdH4d0
https://youtu.be/bDfNcr8wHqc
https://youtu.be/I23o8cDE8Tc

>> No.17505164

>>17505162
That camera angle seems pretty intent on distracting you

>> No.17505167

>>17505164
It’s why I only listen to it and not watch it.

>> No.17505169

>>17505080
Absolutely fuck all, just a social norm in the he writing community. Strunk and white's, 'Elements of Style' ruined an entire generation of writers. Faulkner, Checkov, Nabokov be damned.

The early 2000's saw the rise of fanfiction.
Self-insert fags, tumblr sexuals and wish fulfillment cucks perpetuated a chain reaction of untalent hacks overusing adverbs, unfortunately.

Sadly, Now it is taboo.

>> No.17505177

>>17505167
Keep saying that, anon

>> No.17505182

>>17505164
Do you not switch tabs?

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>>17505162

>> No.17505193

>>17505164
>>17505183
Stop being Puritans.

>> No.17505203

>>17505193
I was merely pointing out the elephants in the room

>> No.17505210

>>17505203
Which is?

>> No.17505214

New thread is up if you guys want to switch over.

>>17505209

>> No.17505260

>>17504971
Cool thanks for giving it a try.

>> No.17505306

>>17505169
>Anon said calmly.

>> No.17505320

>>17505260
>>17505045

I suppose, i can give some critique, it's still on my read list i haven't read the third or the fourth chapter yet.

OK.

-The first chapter felt a bit disjointed, which is understandable because you wrote it as several chapters and then conjoined as one. It kind of gives of the sense of irregular pacing.

- Speaking of pacing, the back and forth, switching between past and present, and different characters during the first chapter gives off an unbalanced sense of tone.

Eh...that's about all I can say.I don't think it's a bad story, I'm just a hard man to please. I'd probably give better criticism if and when you reach a tenth chapter.

>> No.17505350

>>17496172
Residual memories, he wasn't really born kind of made as he is as a kind of copy of the person who made him

>> No.17505439

>>17494444
I read about a quarter of it. It felt like you're using passive voice too often. This made the action scene with blood-drinkers a slog to read. Like I was always one step behind the action.

I'd suggest watching a YouTube video on passive vs active voice writing.

>> No.17505495

>>17493501
Tiny hands

>> No.17506515

>>17505124
Does it really? I often wonder whether he actually gets more sales from it. I certainly looked at them and didn't buy them.

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>>17505124

I may actually do it... Do people here actually give a shit about 4chan ads?

>> No.17506545

>>17506515
It's clearly worked well enough for him to keep buying them. If his books were actually any good, it'd probably work even better.

>> No.17506614

>>17506526
Some do.