/lit/ - Literature

>>17511914
Did you read his books?

>>17511914
Based Charlatan Unmasker.

>>17511923
nope

One only tells truths, the other, only lies

>>17511914
We can't escape Hegel,
dialectical thinking > Anglo Lockean Cartesian logic
Continental philosophy > analytic philosophy

>>17511926
Based

All major modern currents of sociopolitical thought are Hegelian so Hegel is probably the least pointless philosopher you could come up with.

Wew

I read somewhere Hegel was on the payroll of the Prussian state to justify their government. Basically he was a psyop of a defunct nation state but now we're stuck with him. That's why I don't read philosophy.

>>17511926
based

>>17511926
>>17511923
>>17511914
ironically this conversation is peak phenomenology of spirit
well done op
Hegel deserves to be shat on more.

>>17511914
The phenomenology is a just a giant elaborate shitpost, not to be taken seriously. If you took it seriously, you got played.

>>17511959
holy shit this autism again.
No, dichotomic thinking a shit, one DOESN'T have to accept self refuting analythic philosophy because Hegel is self refuting too and vice versa.
Two wrongs don't make a right, you just ignore both and get back to the last philosopher who spoke a certain amount of sense and rebuild up from him.

>>17511914
He was an obscurantist and a charlatan but he is so much fun to read. His writing has a sort of hypnotizing effect on you, like Deleuze. It's meaningless garbage but in a fun way.

Give it to me straight /lit/, is Hegel a meme or not? Is he worth the effort?

>>17514164
How is Hegel's philosophy meaningless garbage? Let's take for example the phenomenology, starting from sense-certainity. At what point do you think his reasoning fails?

>>17515231
just open up any page of the phenomenology and try to read it in good faith without bursting into laughter. it's so horribly written, like a high schoolers attempt at writing metaphysics. no rigor, no organization, no clarity. just verbose sludge all the way through.

There is no "-" in schizoposting

>>17515249
Read the introduction, he anticipates that and warn readers. You would know that if you had started reading. Check some secondary source on him if his style seems too weird.

>>17515222
Is a frog post all it takes to expose a charlatan?

>>17515249
I have no troubles following most sections of the Phenomenology (although my first attempt at reading them was a complete failure - maybe you're still at this stage). The only section that is truly a piece of shit is the one on Force and Understanding, but he basically reiterates and clarifies all the main points in the Observative Reason section, so it's not the end of the world.
I'll say that I shared your impression until I started reading other German idealists. After having worked throught Fichte's Wissenschaftlehre and Schelling's early work and other authors' works, I started getting what Hegel was trying to do. Like, the chapter on Sense-perception is a direct response to Jacobi's doctrine of immediate belief. Once I discovered that, and once I got familiar with Jacobi's actual arguments and terminology, the sense-perception section became crystal clear. The same happened to me for almost every other section.

>>17515274
yes

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>>17511926
kek nice

>>17515299
I usually get lost in the last fifths of the book. At some point he says "Ok, now we've reached the absolute, so there is nothing left to resolve" but then he still goes on and on about "göttliches Gesetz vs. menschliches Gesetz" (divine law vs. human law or something) and so forth, and I get lost since I just don't get was his goal is there.

>>17511932
The one on the right always lies, left is honest

The absolute state of /lit/. Hegel isn't the end all be all of philosophy, but he has more impact that anyone else. Don't get pissy because you got filtered

>>17511926
an entire philosophical movement came and failed on this very idea.

>>17511926
Indescribably based