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1. Conservatism is that which loses
therefore
2. Conservatism is inseparable from copes.

Embrace immanence, be fashy. BTFO the Jews and seed Aryan wombs in an eternally recurrent life

>>17517804

Is this actually worth reading? I read some of his stuff on music and modern art, and to be honest I thought you'd have to be brain damaged to think his reasoning was in any way lucid/not for fifteen year olds. Is he the real deal, and I'm missing something, or do chubby loser fedora core American men just think he's cool because he has a posh English accent and a Tweed jacket?

>>17517856
The latter. It's the Hitchens thing. Some good points here and there, but it's mostly about selling a power fantasy to the loser audience.

>>17517868
>>17517825
You're a child

>>17517871
You're a camel. Become a lion, then think of getting on my level.

From his book How to be a Conservative

>Our national narrative may change, but what underlies it is something that remains always in place: the secular law. We who have been brought up in the English-speaking world have internalized the idea that law exists to do justice between individual parties, rather than to impose a uniform regime of commands. Other Western systems have also reinforced the attachment of citizens to the political order – notably Roman law and its many derivatives (the code napoléon among them). It was evident from the earliest days of Christianity that the New Testament was not an attempt to replace the law of the imperial power, but an attempt to make a space for spiritual growth within it. In his parables, Christ emphasized that the secular law is to be obeyed, and that our duty to God does not require us to defy or to replace it. Nor should we pay too much attention to the finicky edicts of the Torah, since ‘the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath’.

>To someone raised on the doctrine that legitimate law comes from God, and that obedience is owed to Him above all others, the claims of the secular jurisdiction are regarded as at best an irrelevance, at worst a usurpation. Such is the message of Sayyid Qutb’s writings, and of Milestones (ma‘alim fi’l tariq, 1964) in particular. In that book, Qutb denounces secular law, national identity and the attempt to establish a purely human political order without reference to the revealed will of God: all are blasphemous in Qutb’s eyes. Qutb’s followers have included Osama Bin Laden and his successor Ayman al-Zawahiri

>Anybody who understands what is at stake in the global conflict that is developing today will, I believe, come to see that the nation is one of the things that we must keep. In what follows, therefore, I shall be appealing to people who identify their political rights and duties in national terms, and who have learned to put God in the place where He belongs.

He goes on to describe Islam as standing against and the biggest threat to all the core western values

Roger Scruton was on the payroll of Big Tobacco. He was literally paid by Japanese cigarette companies to write philosophical propaganda in news outlets in favour of cigarettes, attacking the World Health Organisation for investiating the harmful effects of smoking. This isn't a conspiracy. He was caught and admitted it. How anyone takes this utter snake oil salesman seriously is beyond me.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1122192/

>>17517893
Nice one.

>>17517943
You don't understand, He is le very classy gentlemen who looks cool in pictures!

>>17517943
Jesus

>>17517943
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1122192/
Read the actual article and you will see that Scruton behaved very sensibly and responsibly and explained what he did right and did wrong.

>>17517994
you stink of cope.

>>17517994
Roger Scruton could fuck you in the ass while you slept and you would find some way to rationalise it to yourself.

>>17517994
>In the email, Mr Scruton, who had been receiving a monthly retainer fee of £4500 ($6300; €7300), asked for a £1000 a month pay rise to place more pro-smoking articles in prestigious newspapers and international magazines. He declared the amount to be “good value for money in a business largely conducted by shysters and sharks.”
How do you defend this?

>>17517893
Based Nietzschean, but the lion isn't the final step

>>17517825
Another nietzschean that took the traditionalist path
This is the worst post-Nietzsche path

>>17518065
Phillip Morris did a study and found smoking has a slight net positive effect. They were not expecting that and didn't broadcast the results.

>>17517943

That's very shitty but it's also irrelevant to the other 99% of his writing which has nothing to do with tobacco.

>>17518140
How does this absolve Scruton of not mentioning an obvious conflict of interest while actively working for them in this exact domain of defending them in public outlets?

>>17518122
No, traditionalists affirm transcendence and reject immanence.
>>17518076
Neither is it in my post you boob

>>17518145
0 IQ post

>>17518175
No, don't stay on topic, become distracted by my whataboutism

Tobacco raises test, Scruton was looking out for the White man

>Scruton
>scrutinizes your liberalism
nothing personnel, kid

>>17517856
>>17517868
Horrible takes. Read "The Soul of the World" and "Conservatism: A Short Introduction" as well as "Beauty: A Short Introduction".

I don't know where either of you are getting the power fantasy dig from; I've read most of his work and the demeanor he seeks to convey is a spiritually centered self in connection with the past and the unborn. His diagnosis of leftism, particularly the modern left, is lucid and accurate. He is an excellent touchstone for conservatism that isn't infested by libertine ideas.

An even better point, I can't believe I just spend time typing out this reply when I could have been doing anything else. I hope everyone has a good end of their week.

>>17518270
Oh, and "Confessions of a Heretic" too, his short book of essays. Very delightful read.

>>17518270
So can you answer the question in the OP? Also the "connection with the past and the unborn" is just Burke's words.

>>17518270
>"Conservatism: A Short Introduction"
Is this anywhere online?

>>17518299
Sorry anon, I got this title mixed up with the "Beauty" one. It is actually called "Conservatism: An Invitation to the Great Tradition". I got mixed up because it basically IS a short introduction with the rudimentary beliefs, debates, etc. that make up the history of conservative thought. Here's a link to the wiki page, I don't know about finding an actual copy for free:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism:_An_Invitation_to_the_Great_Tradition

>>17518289
Yes, he makes plain that he's expanding from Burke in his writing as a self-avowed Burkean conservative.

I don't know if anywhere has he explicitly said that spirituality is a necessity or intrinsic part of the conservative school of thought, but I can also say with complete confidence that he would never say that it isn't. Pardon the double negative. Reading any of his other work he openly writes on how it is an inseparable part of the localist tendencies he thinks we ought to adopt. This is seen a lot in "I Drink, Therefore I Am" (lame title, solid writing) which is his tract on drinking wine. He is making polemical, at surface level, a non-political thing, and does so by speaking to how local Gods, customs, beliefs, and most importantly locality are the most critical parts of a good wine. If it would apply to something as seemingly inconsequential as wine, then he would assuredly say it applies to provinces and localities where people spend their lives.

You can't be conservative without being Christian

>>17518406
Dumb take

>>17518406
>For conservatives our law-governed society came into being because we have known who we are, and defined our identity not by our religion, our tribe or our race but by our country, the sovereign territory in which we have built the free form of life that we share.
- Scruton in his book on conservatism

>>17518122
>nietzschean"
>not larping /pol/kid

>>17518559
>>17518563
Kek

kek

>>17517804
>spirituality
Don't make me laugh
Conservatism is and will always be "Doing what we did yesterday."
Perfect for the laggard, and the back of the class, and the failed "intellectuals" pandering to them.

>>17518672
Cringe

>>17518684
Nice cope pigfucker

>>17517804
Define "spirituality". If youmean women larping as witches and using crystals to heal themselves, then no it's not in any way part of conservatism, not in any mainstream brand of conservatism I've
heard of at least. If you mean things like gnosticism and other deeper Christian studies, well it's not nearly as popular in conservative circles but there are definitely a few that do believe in that kind of spirituality.
Also, conservitism isn't as easy to define either, just like progressivism it depends on what is the current status quo which changes from place to place and from time period to time period. I'm assuming you mean traditionalism because that's what most people refer to as "conservitism".

>>17518743
Spirituality refers to a belief in some divine force

>>17517804
yes

>>17518406
what about all the jews born before jesus?

>>17519163
The entire world was conservative before the 18th century

>>17517943
Another Ken Wheeler lol

>>17517825
Based

>>17517943
>nooo you can't just read this author he was a shill for Big Chungus that invalidates his entire work noooo
go back to >>>/x/

Based Scruton

>>17518175
>obvious conflict of interest
Scruton was writing about how great cigarettes were before he was getting paid by them. Scruton received money, unsolicited, from cigarette companies. Scruton then told them they wanted him to write about cigarettes instead of why the buildings are all ugly that they needed to send him more money. They did. At no point did he ever enter into a contract, or make any kind of formal agreement with them. Scruton saw nothing wrong with cigarettes, smoking, or taking money from strangers who agree with you.

Now, of course, Scruton is just defending a Liberal free market economy, he just didn't like that the buildings were ugly, and I as a National Socialist completely disagree with the Leftist idea that journalists are heroic paragons of virtue and that corporations should be allowed to cloak their economic interests as "public opinion". However, within the context of a Liberal free market, Scruton did absolutely nothing wrong or immoral.

Reject modernity, embrace and worship your girlfriend's feet

>>17517825
>be fashy
They also lost.

;_;

https://vimeo.com/377430965

>>17517825
Aryan means Iranian, though. So you are literally advicing to impregnant Muslim women. Based.

>>17518184
No, he's right. You're supposed to judge things individually. Judging an entire body of work because of a single action by the author is what 0 IQ faggots would do.

1. be rich and white or dumb and poor
2. lick boots

>>17520621
Aryan really means upper-class ancient Northern Indian and their descendants, although persians are close.

>>17518559
Not so fast desert scum

>>17517943
This doesn't refute any of his arguments

>>17517804

>>17520682
>>17520621
Aryan refers to a lot of different things. If you mean the first people to refer to themselves as Aryans, which is either Sintashta or Srubnaya, then they most closely resembled Scandinavians or Eastern Europeans. They lived on the Pontic-Caspian steppes and migrated into Central Asia around 1600 BCE in different waves.