/lit/ - Literature

>>17522259
First for Masters of Rome

>>17522310
Amazing series, extremely underrated.

Name of the Wind is my favorite fantasy book of all time.

>>17522356
I'm sorry

>>17522259
What are some fantasy series that have believable romances? Most of the recent books I've read with romance subplots follow the Bioware model where two people fall in love after talking three times.

>>17522387
Kingkiller

>>17522387
Unironically Outlander

>>17522387
The Witcher
unironically

>>17522396

>>17522509
It's got both the chad takes and the incel takes, so average the two and it's perfect, anon.

>Ah, foolish me, to think this general would know anything about romance.

Anons, please help a brother out. What books do you recommend to someone whose only books they've recently read are trashy isekai light novels and Parahumans? Asking for a friend, of course.

>>17522641
What do you want to read more of?

>>17522641
if you want some light novels, check out zelazny or vance

>>17522317
Yeah, read it before I discovered /sffg/. I knew from the begin anyone discounting women writers out of hand are brainlets.
>>17522574
Big differences. In the timeline in "modern times" the British Isles will be considered part of Scandinavia, not western Europe. A lot of history proceeds similarly as it takes time for this change to percolate through space and affect events far from the point of departure.
Firstly the frank miracle that the French kings pulled off in centralizing authority and becoming stronger than their vassals probably won't happen here. Some centralization may happen but their vassals will remain very strong. Expect more HRE meddling in France.
The battle that won everything for Harald was on a Monday. The day before he had a massive church service. I plan for the veterans that travel back to Norway and Denmark with loot to be a bit zealous in their new Christian faith. Of course they'll still have some pagan traditions but their spirit will spread. By the alternate timeline crusades (inevitable based on demography being unaffected) the Scandinavians and especially the English (Anglish or Anglisk) will be big players despite their lower numbers.

>>17522646
Hmm... Worm was pretty fun and I liked the main character being analytical and voicing her opinions about the world. Perhaps something more on the sci-fi side. Got anything similar to that?
>>17522670
Thanks anon. I'll check them out.

Fuck you fags. You've got me to reread the PoN books.

>>17522356
I'll admit it's actually a fun read if you're a teenager or you turn your brain off AND ignore the cuck stuff. Decent prose, decent plot till the last 20% or so, and a magic system that's detailed enough to be interesting but open enough that it's not autistic. Basically as long as Kvothe is in and around the school, it's a good read. But just the first book.

>>17522684
Zelazny's best book is Lord of Light. It's really good and blows the Prince of Amber away.

>>17522694
Agreed. It's pretty fun as just a mindless self-insert power fantasy. Since I didn't give a shit about the supposed romance, the cuck stuff never bothered me. But god damn the second book was just awful.

>>17522684
Ah wait. Just to clarify a bit more. When I said more on the sci-fi side, I prefer things to be closer to the present and not in the distant, distant future. Apologies for the hassle.
>>17522696
I'll pick that one up first then. Thanks.

>>17522259
Can someone answer without spoilers if it's worth finishing Oathbringer and reading Dawnshard and Rhythm of War? I liked The Way of Kings and Words of Radiance a lot, but I've been pretty disappointed by Oathbringer so far. Spoilers for Oathbringer I just got to the Kholinar castle seige and it seems obvious that the entire first 2/3 of the book has been building towards the scene where Kaladin freezes up and Elhokar gets killed. The section where Kaladin goes to live with the Parshmen, and all the wall guard shit in Kholinar. It seems like Sanderson wanted me to care about the Parshmen and Wall Guard guys that Kaladin befriended, and feel something when they all started killing each other, but I didn't really. They just didn't have enough characterization for me to give a fuck. It kinda fell flat aside from Elhokar being killed. I mean, it was a potent scene, but nowhere near worth the hundreds of pages of buildup that preceded it. It seems like Sanderson forgot his own mantra of "journey before destination". The book has absolutely dragged so far, especially the parts with the Parshmen and Kholinar. The first two books felt like you were getting a constant flow of new action, plot points and lore, whereas Oathbringer feels like you could have cut out entire chapters with zero impact. Everything feels like it's coasting off fumes from the first two while not really forming its own identity. So I guess my question is, is this just a slump and Dawnshard and Rhythm of War are better, or has Sanderson lost the plot and it's only downhill from here?

>>17522750
Since you don't want sci-fi set in the distant future, perhaps Lord of Light is not a good choice. It's set way in the future and technology has become so advanced it's indistinguishable from magic. The "gods" of the series are basically just humans with mutant powers and very advanced tech.

>>17522782
No. The series gets worse and worse as it progresses. RoW is even more bloated than Oathbringer and even more characters are introduced that almost no one will care about.

>>17522785
I mean, it's not that I don't want it. It's just not an immediate draw. I'm definitely still picking it up. Thanks, anon.
Heading to bed. Hopefully I'll get another (You) or two with recommendations before I wake up.

/sffg/, how did you learn to cope with being dead inside

>>17522834
Get really into collecting capeshit

>>17522834
i just spend all my time reminiscing about when being creative was still rewarding and hoping it will come back before i die

>>17522834
I drink

>>17522834
With the slow realisation that everyone feels the same way anyway. Life is suffering.

>>17522876
lol no

>>17522881
The only conclusion that I can draw from anyone telling me they don't agree with that interpretation of reality, just proves to me they don't have more than two brain cells to rub together. Ignorance is bliss, right mate?

>>17522834
i make well-crafted bakker memes

>>17522800
That's a pity. Way of Kings and Words or Radiance really were pretty well-paced, given their length. And they felt like part 1 and 2 of a single seamless book. Oathbringer is something else entirely. Clearly Urithiru and The Everstorm were a massive turning point that changes the whole dynamic of the plot, and it feels like Sanderson is struggling to figure out where to take things next. The plot is just spinning its wheels the whole book and not making a whole lot of forward progress.

>>17522960
I don’t think it’s that he doesn’t understand where to take it, it’s that the direction he’s taking it isn’t as interesting as what he could be writing about

>>17522970
Yeah, I guess he did say he had a whole 10 book plan. I don't doubt that he has the overall story beats planned out, but the details aren't nearly as polished. Oathbringer feels very first draft-y. Like he wanted to make the book as long as the first two to meet expectations, and so he just filled it up with a bunch of junk about Shallan feeding orphans while becoming increasingly mentally ill, while Kaladin reenacts a cheap knockoff version of the army camaraderie from the first two books. The issue is that this shit has already been hashed out. We already know Shallan is a schizo with multiple personalities and that Kaladin is a charismatic military squad leader. This game just pounds it into the ground even farther.

>>17523011
*this book, not this game
Sorry, I'm a filthy /v/ poster

>>17522800
That sucks. I'm about 100 pages into WoK and like it quite a bit so far, especially for a Sanderson book. But I have absolutely no idea what the overarching plot is, and the random worldbuilding info dumps are kinda lame.

>>17523079
The overarching plot and connections between the characters will become obvious by the end of Words of Radiance. That's part of my issue with Oathbringer. The mystery is gone and everything feels stalled. It's just most of the main characters from the first two books puttering around and not really moving the plot forward. Way of Kings up until the end of Words of Radiance is still gold though.

To the Anon who is writing about the alternate reality where Harald conquered England instead of William.

What are the ramification for this in the first 100 years?? Im very interested in your views.

>>17523093
Yeah, I'm assuming that the main characters meet up at some point, but I'm pretty invested in the stories of Shallan and Kaladin right now. It's going to be annoying when he introduces several other POV characters I won't care nearly as much about.

>>17522834
I read

>>17522782
Ever noticed that Sanderson has a tendency to get rid of characters that are inconvenient to the plot?

>>17522310
It's neither science fiction nor fantasy

>>17522782
I had about the same experience with Oathbringer, stopped reading somewhere mid way through the climax of the book, might go back to the series at some point if bored enough but it definitely declined fast. There's all that with the lack of any real character progression and then also you get the main villain acting like a saturday morning cartoon villain near the end and Szeth having some extremely weird character progression to the point where he feels like a joke character with that goofy ass sword.

It sucks how hard it is to find action oriented series of any genre with characters that are well written enough that you can give a fuck about the action and pacing not taking a nosedive at some point.

>>17522960
>Oathbringer is something else entirely.
Yes. He didn’t plan for those books. He’s writing them every 2/3 years with a lot of other projects in between. He also makes a stinky Cosmere dump on book 4. The series is beyond saving now. He forces you to read fodder upon fodder to make some predictable power creep moment in the end. No relevant one ever dies too.

>>17523108
This is my big problem. I don't care about almost any of the other characters. Hell, I barely care about Shallan. Every time the pov changes to a character other than Kaladin or Dalinar I just want it to switch back to one of them.
I find this is a big problem with many of the big "epic" fantasy series like WoT or GoT. Once you start juggling around tons of pov characters, invariably, many of them just won't be as interesting and it will leave the reader wanting to return to their favorite characters.

>>17523244
You forgot the flashbacks. They are stupid. A decent writer could simply write about those on the go, instead he goes on an endless rant about depression and mental illness.

Speaking of series declining over time, apparently there's a book 3 of Crimson Queen/The Raveling that came out a while ago, anyone read that after the disappointment of the 2nd book where nothing happens?

>>17522696
I liked A Night in the Lonesome October more.

so I've finished Eifelheim.
quite nice. I liked that it focuses on the sociological differences and problems between the ayy lmaos and humanity. the educated priest main character bordered on I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE cringe in the beginning, fortunately this was toned down and he's an interesting character apart from that.
incorrect use of some german words tripped up the flow sometimes, for me personally (especially the authors use of 'doch'). if you're gonna use snippets of foreign languages in your books, ask a native speaker for feedback.

to the anon who said I won't read it and it'll stay on my backlog forever: up yours.

Is tywib the only major villain in got or ASOIAF thats not cartoon tier?

>>17523103
Without needing to spend time solidifying internal rule and digesting a massive cultural shift, England invades and conquers Wales, Scotland, and Ireland a lot sooner and more thoroughly, thus guaranteeing permanent English control over the isles.

In the middle of reading Shadow of the Torturer by Gene Wolfe. I am very picky but this is a lot of fun for me. The story wanders as a real adventure would, and does not seem a boring allegory; also features fun language.

>>17523647
>Eifelheim
Sounds kewl

>>17523103
I responded here >>17522678
No idea who >>17523717 is but he's not wrong either. There needs to be balance though. The Normans/English conquered and forced cultural change where they conquered. Here the Norse will tend to do more subjugation of local elites and blending cultures a bit. It'll be more a hegemony of England ruling over the Isles rather than a United Kingdom.
>>17523191
And yet it's better than both.

>>17523813
Wow. This is worse than the "Eragon is just Dragon with an E" thing. Really says a lot about fantasy that the originator of the genre was a hack.

I just finished this and it was great. Before I order the rest of the books, where if anywhere in the series does it run out of steam/stop being good?

>>17522438
>unironically
Why is irony always assumed? Can't we just express opinions like normal people? The Witcher books are fine. The games are popular on The Other Site but, I've not played them, seem alright. Some of the short stories are actually quite good.

>>17524411
>Why is irony always assumed?

Any good rational fics out there? Besides the shitty cringe inducing Harry Potter writing by big Yud

Threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

>>17524558
How coomer is it ?

>>17524558
Why is proyas portrayed with brown hair and beard? It is clearly stated in The Judging Eye that his hair and bear are grey.

>>17524560
The series checks every trigger warning possible when it comes to sexual violence.

Does any one have a link to the “trigger warning” Reddit book list?

>>17523244
I've always really disliked having more than two POV characters. I think it makes the story too unfocused and distracts the reader. You also can't really get invested in any one character because of how often the perspective shifts.

Wheel of Time is the biggest offender with this. At its worst, I think there were 6 or 7 regular POV characters, and all but 2 of them were unbearably boring.

>>17524574
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/9nb57j/sexual_violence_in_sff_database_introduction_and/

>Wheel of Time
>Mistborn
>First Law's standalone books
Which do I read next?

>>17524642

>>17524648
Hand of Thrawn? Okay then.

>>17524642
>Which do I read next?
Actual good books.

>>17524668
I'm not interested

>>17524587
What a poster child for not supporting student debt forgiveness.

>>17524587
How are these people real?

>reading The Unholy Consult for the first time
>been reading nothing but Bakker for a month
>heavy Bakkerfart shilling, spoilers galore
>feel my spirit has been tarnished with grime, despair, cocaine ASHES and grease
>not even a glimmer of hope
>take a 2 week hiatus watching moe anime
>go back to reading TUC, 100 pages in a day
>all my grievances are gone
>the Aspect Emperor returns
Yup, it's certified good but quite a trip.

>>17524558
>the only winning move in Bakker-verse is not to be born at all.

Based and antinatalist pilled.

We ever see the No-God triology? It is true that Bakker just quit? At least his honest about him quitting writing his shlock, different from a certain fatso...

>>17524739
That entire place is a comedy goldmine.

>>17524755
Just be a sranc or a skin-spy bro

>>17522259
My friends, where can I find the Harry Turtledover's series about the "Southern Victory" in epub/mobi for free?

>>17524782
There are any more arts from Second Apocalypse.

>>17524795

>>17522893
You're in midwit territory, or just an angst filled teenager. As cliche as it sounds, life really _is_ what you make of it. If you want your life to be shit, it'll be shit. If not, you'll find a way to make it that way.

>>17522893
>i'm not a loser, everyone is like me!

>>17524805
Is Kellhus natty?

>>17524795
Yes

>>17524823
Yes.

Thoughts?

>>17524859
Cringe.

>>17524867
Anything you don't find cringe?

>>17524876
Me and my fanfictions.

>>17524889
Very based

>>17524889
desu

>>17524889
This + my diary desu senpai.

>>17522259
The Sacred Book of the Werewolf - Victor Pelevin (2004)
Translated by Andrew Bromfield from Russian
What was lost in translation and what didn't I understand because I didn't live in Russia through its modern changes? Probably far more than I realize. I'd say it's at least as much I was oblivious to the "dense interweaving of borrowings, imitations, rehashings, and allusions" that fill the book. The framing of the story is that it's a found novel, similar to found film genre, though the only concession to this conceit is the opening commentary by the experts who have examined it. The purpose of this commentary seems to be for grounding the events of the novel. The metapurpose seems to be the author commenting on himself, his work, and what the reader ought to expect from what they're about to read. It's also possible that the opening isn't separate from the rest and is there to trick the reader into believing that the events described occurred in-universe rather than being exclusively in the imagination of the author.
As I've previously read a Pelevin work, I knew what to expect going in. Based on the reviews many were thoroughly baffled and confounded by the disconnect from what they thought they were reading and what it turned out to be. I would advise against reading this if your interest lies primarily with the idea of werepersons or any standard notions of how it's represented by its listed genres or the synopsis on Goodreads. Yes, they're accurate descriptions but they're also misleading in that they aren't the novel's focus. There are sex scenes, but they aren't described in graphic detail. This is almost entirely about, as the author writes in the opening commentary, "pseudo-oriental pop-metaphysics". Introspection and discussion are the vast majority of the text. This isn't an overstatement.
The protagonist, a fox spirit girl, is a prostitute, as they all must be in some way or another, in the form of a "fourteen to seventeen years old - closer to fourteen" girl. Her name, A Hu-Li, is said to translates into modern Russian as "So Fucking What?", which gives an idea of the tone of the novel.
This isn't Spice & Wolf, as that began two years later, though that is an appropriate reference and comparison, at least on a superficial level. The author would seem to expect the reader to be familiar with both high and low culture, as the references dart from literary novels, videogames, sociopolitical tracts, movies, mythology/folklore, Japanese pop culture, music, and philosophy, and various others. I'm unable to say whether provide any depth or are simply namedrops. The humor is irreverent, cynical, sarcastic, and dark. In terms of comedians it has similarities with Anthony Jeselnik and Daniel Tosh.
As with the previous novel I read by him, I'm at a loss for what its rating ought to be. I'm unable to reconcile my subjective feelings with what I objectively read. This is a difficult book to recommend to others.
Rating: 4/5

>>17524974
A nice animated fan trailer.
It has plot spoilers and is completely accurate but as noted it isn't representative of the reading experience.
https://vimeo.com/102107747

>>17524823
no he's artifically selected

Comedic fantasy recs?

Is there anything that even resembles Game of Thrones? I want more Game of Thrones.

>>17525044
Discworld
>>17525047
First Law

>>17525044
The Prince of Nothing.

>>17525047
No, not even bakker stuff come closer.

Dare I say based?

>Scrutiny. Calculation.

>>17525157
>Probability trance

>>17525149
Some anon claimed one of those is Watts' wife.
Is there any truth to it?

>Bakker
>Tool

Is there a more iconic duo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJq9y9xPKWs

>>17525188
Yes. Bakker and Sabbath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idn50Xj_CiY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_s5TefzAvI

>>17525161
I don't like this picture of Kellhus. He looks too much like a marvel character. But this >>17525188 is my favorite image of the Inchoroi.

>>17525188
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDvfbvuJtS8

>>17525220
>>17525212
>>17525188
>>17525177
>>17525161
>>17525157
>>17525149
>>17525070
>>17524833
>>17524823
>>17524805
>>17524782
>>17524769
>>17524755
>>17524743
Based Bakkerposters

>>17524743
>I feared what I might find here.....

>>17524729
What genre would you say has the most rape? Probably sword and sorcery pulp since the villains rape every novel and the novels are very thin.

>>17525264
Military-focused fantasy or grimdark stuff probably, just from all the armies/mercenaries/bandits who take captives or otherwise pillage and rape the places they conquer.

>>17525264
Read Bakker.

>>17524675
>implying you could actually read good books

>>17525063
>First Law
Nah, not really. Read that one. Didn't quite scratch the itch.
It has elements of game of thrones. But too few and far in between to say it's a resemblance.

>>17525080
What a shame. Feels like I'm chasing the dragon.

>>17523188
Yes. Like how Jasnah dies in Words of Radiance but not actually, and conveniently comes back, but not until the end of the book. And Sanderson still hasn't done anything relevant with her in Oathbringer. She's just kinda there. Sucks because she was a cool character in Way of Kings, and her relationship with Shallan was interesting. Then Sanderson drops that entire subplot like a hot potato, and shifts Shallan into being a tropey character who becomes flanderized into nothing but a vessel for the multiple personality shit.
>>17523244
>>17523259
I didn't mind the flashbacks - at least Kaladin and Dalinar's. Shallan's were dumb with all the unreliable narrator shit going on. But the "interludes" are annoying and really should have been pared down to only the necessary ones, like Szeth and Eshonai. So many of them have literally zero relationship to the plot. Those should have been jettisoned off into short novellas, if Sanderson really wanted to write them. Edgedancer is a good example of this. I actually enjoyed the Edgedancer standalone book, but the scene of Lift robbing the Azish palace did not need to be randomly crammed into Words of Radiance. It added nothing to Words of Radiance and its overall plot, and merely bloated the book.

>started buying books from amazon last year
>found a bunch to buy today
>get to login
>they send me a link to my phone
>but my phone doesn't have internet
n-no more books for me then?

Shallan is genuinely one of the worst characters I've read.

>>17525400
Sadeas becomes too problematic for Sanderson's plot. Which is why he dies at the end of Words of Radiance in a MASSIVE ass pull. I'm just going to pretend that a guy of his caliber simply goes on a walk without bodyguards.

Elhokar becomes the lietral KEK. Sanderson cannot deal with this and simply kills him, giving the "Hero" Dalinar a free power pass. He's simply not capable of continuing the narrative with him alive. His inability to dive into complex character narratives/interactions is abysmal.

>>17525489
>KEK
cuck* Why the fuck are they censoring that word all of a sudden?

Since we're shitting on Sanderson's writing, why is this man incapable of progressing a character arc organically instead of having said go through the same inner conflict every other chapter? Kaladin and Shallan are key examples of this. I think Sanderson fell for his own hype and just rushes shit out without thinking ahead or about how to continue a character's growth.

>>17525047
I think GRRM said that Memory, Sorrow, & Thorn was one of his biggest influences for it. I haven't read it yet, but you might like that.

>>17525188
black sabbath and it isn't even close, there's literally at least one (maybe more) black sabbath quotes before the book.

>>17525534
>Memory, Sorrow, & Thorn
It's very different. Sure, you can see some glaring similarities, such as that the Others being very obviously derived from the Norns, but GoT's main drive is the political aspect and that's barely present in MST.

>>17525522
he doesn't have time to waste

>Solaris

>>17525047
The Accursed Kings series by Maurice Druon, mentioned as a major inspiration for the politics and murder behind ASOIAF, but it's historical fiction.

>She calls him a “sexist douche” and an “egocentric snowflake”; one of her followers chips in with “misogynistic piece of subhuman garbage”. Apparently The Darkness That Comes Before is one unending Festival-O’rape, and any iteration of the argument that Writing about something is not the same as promoting it is nothing more than nerdy white-boy white-washing.

>I think that's because Overlook (my US publisher) is a class act.

>>17525681
That's not a cringe face.

>>17525689
yeah it is

> I'm committed to finishing the books first though, since I know first hand how frustrating it can be waiting and waiting for sequels. I've been dying a slow death waiting for A Feast of Crows!
Bakkerbros, I.....

>>17525776
the books were finished with TUC, please understand

>>17525776
He always said the no god books would be something extra, but that his main focus was pon + AE. We’re lucky we got that much, before Overlook cut him.

>>17525044
Start with the Guards. Or whatever.

>>17525878
>>17525776
>>17525868
If we spam Him enough emails, phone calls and letters he might just relent

>>17525980
Bakker is, if nothing else, a very stubborn man. Spamming him with demands for No-God books might have the opposite effect.

>>17525868
Sadly, this.

>mfw staring at the Inverse Fire

>>17526041
“After a time,” he said vacantly, “the sheer profundity of it, the monstrous scale of the anguish … it becomes soothing … sublime …”
The sluicing of firelight across white skin.
“And never … never repeating, always different … like some kind of broken arithmetic …”

Fuck! E William Brown better publish.

>>17526080
based. fuck me - once I finish this Kim Stanely Robinson sorry KSR bros but Ministry for the Future is kinda zzzZZzzzZzzZ I may just have to reread Bakker. I'm conflicted since my bakklog is huge

Any recommendations for 'fantasy of manners' - fantasy setting but focused on characters and their relationships rather than wars and epic events?

Please tell me it's normal to have days where you just can't focus on more than a few pages at a time. I just started the scifi reading hobby. I feel like I'm wasting this day because I'm not reading.

>>17526427
Yes.

Also read Bakker.

>>17526562
I'm reading Rajaniemi and Hamilton

>>17524648
>>17524668
>Joe Abercrombie
>bad

>>17526744
abercrombie is garbage, barely a step above sandershit

>>17526744
When did low bait faggots like these become common place?

I NEED a billowing Swayali to throttle my little brother RIGHT NOW!

>>17526404
Goblin emperor

>>17526892
>Simp Sorweel
I groaned everytime that faggots name showed up on the page

Just finished Prince of Nothing series and really loved it, what other works of Bakker are worth reading?
Also what are some similar series?

>>17526909
Behead those who insult CHADwheel

>Sing for me.

>>17526427
yes it is normal, especially in our global-ADHD-digital-individualistic-techno-beaurocratic society.

t. schizo

>mfw

Is it good?

>>17522387
Destines Crucible
Codex Alera
Old Mans War

>>17526955
>mogged by a retarded child
lol

>>17526950
Did you finish all seven books?
>what other works of Bakker are worth reading?
Neuropath if you must, but his non-Earwa writing is greatly inferior imho.
>Also what are some similar series?
None. Bakker created something unlike any other series... he stands alone.
BotNS might be the closest, though.

>>17526974
Everyone got mogged by a retarded child though. That’s hardly fair

>>17526966
he was cancelled

>>17526997
it might be significantly worse but they are still good fun books to read

>>17526892
>Are you a wife... or a whore?
>I am a bitch.

>>17527021
By r*ddit? So you would recommend?

>>17527032
I.
LOVE.
CUNNY.

i had to get up and laugh after reading that shit, wtf Bakker

>>17525727
Incorrect.

>>17527042
Wracu are incredibly based.

>>17527032
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>>17526892
Oh shit I have read 50 pages of the Judging Eye and I already made the connection oh no it’s all spoiled. Rip Kellhus

>>17527032
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Hi my name is Serwa Dark’ness Dementia Raven Anasûrimbor and I have long golden hair (that’s how I got my name) with purple streaks and red tips that reaches my mid-back and icy blue eyes like limpid tears and a lot of people tell me I look like Hanalinqû (AN: if u don’t know who she is get da hell out of here!). [[I’m not related to Cu’jara Cinmoi but I wish I was because he’s a major fucking hottie. I’m a Dûnyain but my teeth are straight and white. I have pale white skin. I’m also a witch, and I go to a magic school called Swayal in Orovelai where I’m in the seventh year (I’m seventeen). I’m a goth (in case you couldn’t tell) and I wear mostly saffron. I love Xerash Topic and I buy all my clothes from there. For example today I was wearing a saffron billows with matching lace around it and an orange leather miniskirt, pink fishnets and black combat boots. I was wearing black lipstick, white foundation, black eyeliner and red eye shadow. I was walking outside the Ordeal. It was snowing and raining so there was no sun, which I was very happy about. A lot of Ordealmen stared at me. I put up my middle finger at them.

“Hey Serwa!” shouted a voice. I looked up. It was….Sorweel!
“What’s up Sorweel?” I asked.
“Nothing.” he said shyly.
But then, I heard my friends call me and I had to go away.

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AN: IS it good? PLZ tell me fangz!

>>17527035
sad/rabid puppies, this is basic stuff

>>17527042

>>17527272

>>17525157
>The trial broke you.

>>17527278
What need have the wracu of cunny?

>>17527419
>yes... he speaks to me also
>The no god?
>..... then you truly are mad.

>>17525212
Kellhus looking like a Marvel character is the best possible way to portray him though. He should be sublime, perfect versus imperfect characters. Superman straight out of a comic book.

Finished Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep the other week, Deckard didn't seem to care much in the end when he found out the the toad isn't real since he obsesses over buying a real animal, why?

Bros I can feel Bakker infecting my prose. I need something with snappier, quick-witted writing before my clients notice.

>>17525489
You're right on both counts. And both of those characters were part of what made Words of Radiance so good. The politics and power plays of the shattered plains warcamps were one of the most interesting parts of the series and in Oathbringer he just chucks all that in the trash and makes Dalinar the ultimate god-emperor of Urithiru with no one to oppose him.

And Taravangian as well At the beginning of the Oathbringer when he came to Urithiru I thought for sure he was going to be a major part of the plot, trying to screw over Dalinar's plans or assassinate him. But instead he just up and changes his mind for no reason and mills around doing nothing, like every other character.

Oh, and Szeth too. He suddenly just gave up on assassinating Dalinar or doing anything really, and has been absent from the book. So many examples of this.

Now that I think about it, Sanderson started with a series full of all kinds of conflict, subterfuge, and varying points of view, and with Oathbringer, he turned it into a black and white affair where the "good guys" all join together into one big dream team to fight the "bad guys". And the main POV characters all have complete plot armor so know they'll never die. Shallan literally gets stabbed through the heart with a sword and shot in the head with a crossbow in the same section of the book, and shrugs off both like it's nothing. That other anon wasn't really far off when he compared it to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That's what Stormlight has been reduced to at this point. A Marvel tier story about a bunch of superheroes fighting with the Parshmen and their superheroes aka the Fused.

>>17527042
HOW.

I HATE.

THIS POST.

>>17527633
>tl;dr but it looks stupid
you didn't have to spoil that, only one or two anons care about sandershit here.

>>17527677
>tl;dr but it looks stupid
Huh?
>>17527677
> you didn't have to spoil that, only one or two anons care about sandershit here.
Eh, I'd rather use the spoiler tags in case anyone cares.

>>17527677
Oh yeah, by the way, what should I be reading if not Sandershit? I got back into reading novels recently after not reading them since high school, and Stormlight was the second thing I picked up, after Blake Crouch's Dark Matter. Has anything good come out in the past 6 years or so?

>tfw no surgebinder gf

>>17527902
>tfw radiant will never give you a safehandjob while andolin is stuck in a meeting

>>17527801
Truth shines.

I still don't get the Inverse Fire. So it shows principled, moral-having, inveterate opponents of Inchoroi/the Consult a vision...and they just saw Whoah see what you mean there, gonna help you in your orgy of murder, rape, and destruction lmao. It just doesn't make any sense.
>>17525669
First is historical fiction, the biggest modern fantasy series is very heavily influenced by historical fiction...bros I think we chose the wrong genre bros.

>>17527507
>“You are Dûnyain still, Father.”
>“As are—”
>“I am more."

>>17527978
it shows hell and it's reeaaaly bad and 99% of people including the person looking into the fire are going there.

I mean can you actually imagine knowing you are going to literal hell and be tortured in fire and have your soul eaten for idk how long but the point is it's really fucking bad and all you have to do to stop it is join the consult and get to killing, you don't even need to rape people and be evil

All i'm saying is that if it was me, I'd be kicking down the neighbours door with an axe.

>>17527961
Truth sneeds

>>17528055
truth feeds

And then the voice, spoken through the throats of a hundred thousand Sranc.
MOOMMMMMYYYYYY?

rate my YA fantasy?

“Syretia! Come down from there and help with the laundry, would you?”
The sprightly figure to which the voice called out sat up from her canopy perch, looking
back down to the forest floor and her mother, Aida, kind faced as always, though evidently
exhausted and in no mood to entertain Syretia’s typical long-winded departures. Seeing this,
Syretia quickly descended the tree, gracefully swinging from branch to branch, hopping between
limbs, and finally landing back to the ground.
“Tired, mother?” asked Syretia, not for an answer so much as to humor her.
“Why of course,” Aida replied. “what with all the preparations for the festival happening
tomorrow, I’ve been slaving all day, first over the stove and then again with the sewing machine.
I’d be ever grateful if you could release my shackles so far as laundry and dinner are concerned.”
“The least I could do,” Syretia smirked. “I’m sure you’ll be just as tied up tomorrow,
right?”
“If not more,” Aida sighed. “more cooking, more sewing, and your father has roped me
into acting the part of his “judgmental” audience before he gives his oration on the big night.”
“Lucky you, getting to listen to a lullaby twice,” Syretia said, stifling a laugh.
The faintest smile hinted on Aida’s face before she turned back toward the house. Syretia
began tending to the laundry, absent-mindedly grabbing garments and scrubbing them down in
the tub of warm, soapy water while looking toward the patches of blue sky that peeked out from
the canopy.
The forest itself was immensely vast, and without question majestic. Lush and vibrant
foliage extended in all directions as far as the eye could see. Trees shot skyward, in a perpetual
battle to see over the top of one another. Sunlight trickled through their cover, bathing all it
shone upon in a brilliant golden glow. Clumps of bushes and undergrowth formed communities
of woodland animals in expansive and sometimes subterranean apartment complexes, while
nature’s skyscrapers bustled with tenants of their own. Innumerable wildflowers and herbs more
than dotted the forest floor, painting fields of yellow and blue, orange and more, interrupted only
by soft splotches of green or the rich brown of the dirt footpaths carved out by many an informed
forager. Clingy lichen took unyielding refuge on trunks and rocks alike, and all manner of
mushrooms, nuts and berries grew where trees would not, or otherwise in tandem, with a rapidity
and abundance that left all who called the forest home well-fed.
Established near the center of the forest and bordering the river to which all life gave
thanks, the villagers had cleared out a space of their own to call home. Fashioned from the
trunks, branches and leaves of the trees they had cut down, and the dirt terraformed away in the
process of construction, the village was as much a part of the forest as the canopy above.

>>17528149
MILKIEEEES

also it's

MUMMMMMMMEEEEEEEE

>>17528149
>tell me...
>when you realize that it was nau-cayuti all along
>when esmenet saves the world by cradling the carapace in her arms, letting mog-pharau suck her imperial mommy milkers

>>17528154
doesn't grab my attention? bakker on the other hand? book bam bop pow, what an opening line.

>>17528154
Edit, Anon. Excessive adjectives/descriptors are not good in any fiction, YA or otherwise.

>>17528213
So more story less descriptions?

>>17528218
if it's the opening it's boring

>>17528255
Can you just tell me what I need to fix? Less descriptions and more unfolding story?

>>17528270
it starts with someone talking about laundry

>>17526404
Piranesi, Tehanu, does anyone have any other suggestions?

>>17522396
nigga what?

>>17522834
Write so that I'm not. Unironically would be dead inside without being able to scrawl shit down in word whenever I feel like it.

Still haven't read a single book this year
Read some stuff that was alright but haven't found anything that's gripped me into reading every day yet

Maybe I’m just overthink or being to dense to understand this.
But what does Inrilatas mean when he says “The God punishes to the degree we resemble him.”?

I am trying o make sense of his interaction with kel. He’s apparently trying to find Damnation for himself. Why?

>>17528154
It makes me feel tired when I read it. Laundry is boring and so are forests when nothing happens in them.

>>17528446
>Why?
it's inril's fucked-up way of trying to grasp the absolute

>>17528464
Ok, I haven’t made it that far yet. No point in reading the same passage 3 times. Maybe when I re-read the series, it will make more sense.

>>17526771
Why? I really liked it .

>>17528154
It's not bad in terms of the prose, some of the sentences could be shorter, but it needs some life. In YA, lots of things need to be exaggerated, and every line we read needs to inform us, explicitly or implicitly, how a character feels about something. In the second half of your post, the characters disappear entirely, and it becomes very, very boring. Writing YA is in some ways harder than writing other things because you do not get to take diversions from a character's process through the plot. You can't just do a scene without immediate consequence to set the mood. Everything has to stay very closely tied to your theme, whatever that is, and the plot cannot stop advancing. In what you've posted, the plot has not started. (I said this I think in /wg/ the other day, but the plot should generally start at the point where a lot of problems for their protagonist that have been brewing on their own all begin to swirl together. All I see in the part of this with characters is a hint of an upcoming event, not hints of things that are unstoppably in motion moving.)

>>17528270
You have characters talking about laundry as a way to hook the reader. You might as well have them talk about taxes or mowing the lawn because they're on the same excitement level.

>>17528054
Yeah I get that but it's a stretch to assume everyone except for one who saw the Inverse Fire automatically believed it rather than dismissing it as a bullshit vision meant to sway them.

>>17528725
It's so overpowering and undeniably real (even Kellhus said it burns true) that no one's soul is strong enough to deny its truth. It may be Tekne but it's indistinguishable from magic.

>>17527419
>>17527507
What did you guys think of Moe's home science project with the skin-spies? That neuropuncture setup sounded gnarly. Creepy right?

>>17528550
I saved your comment, it gave me an epiphany. I.. just realized the extent of my errors, and it feels like I've known about them for a while, but your comment just made it click. Thank you.

OK, BAKKERBROS, help me here, what the fuck are the gods? HOW HELL IS EVEN A FUCKING THING? LIKE A LITERAL HELL? WHY DO MORALITY IS OBJETIVICE IN BAKKER EARWA? I THOUGHT THAT MORALITY WAS SUPOSSED TO BE SUBJECTIVE, WHY?

>>17528865
To actually understand Bakker's cosmology, unironically read Heidegger, Wittgenstein, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Hegel, Paradise Lost, Plato, Xeno, the KJV, and the gnostic scriptures.

>>17525489
What a fucking retarded post. Sadeas plotted to kill Dalinar and his sons for basically two whole books and you're surprised he dies in a fight against a much younger man? That is an asspull to you? And what kind of criticism is "He's not capable of continuing the narrative with him alive", how does that work exactly, do you know for a fact that if Elhokar stayed alive past book 3 he would've fixed all the problems of the war and Sanderson had to kill him so he could write 7 more books ?

Imagine being so retarded you don't get fucking Sanderson.

>>17528889
Cope, he not that deep.

>>17528890
Low IQ sandersoy detected.

>>17528865
>>17528889
I wish I had more of a philosophical background when reading Bakker, but I took morality in Earwa to be this:

There is objective morality in Bakker's book. There ARE gods that are judging humans (and this is what supposedly "grounds" morality and makes it objective). It's just that the gods of Bakker are shitheads.

>huh?!!
>what??
>ptah!/pfah!
>h'm
>hmmmmmmm

>>17528956
and how that morality is define? By which metric? That's sound awful dumb from Bakker part.

>>17528154
Never start with a line of dialogue. It's almost a surefire way to tell your writing is bad.

>>17528154
>rate my YA fantasy?
It's way too try-hard POETIC!!1! and VIBRANT1!11!! and EVOCATIVE11!!!1

>>17528978
The gods define morality and they are the ones doing the judging. They write the rules, that's what makes it objective, I think. But now that you're asking me, morality in Bakker world (the fact that the gods define and ground morality) doesn't sound as "objective and concrete" as something like mathematical truths. Can a philosophy bro please chime in? What still makes Bakker morality OBJECTIVE, considering the gods could change their minds and think "You know what? Rape is morally good and gluttony is a virtue."

>>17528948
That’s a pleonasm.

>>17529038
Wow I learned a word today.

>>17528769
bakker loves his neuroscience, have you read neuropath?

>>17528978
t. seething athiest

>>17529031
i'm not sure the gods can change if they are fragments of the one, regardless its objective in that they make the rules and what they say goes

>>17528978
I think in the Judging Eye one of the priestess of Yatwer said that they don't worship the gods because they are good or nice. You worship the gods because those motherfuckers have power over you. I think the mother superior or Yatwer cult literally said they worship the gods because they are powerful.
Also I think the gods and ciphrang feed on feeling/emotion of the soul. To them either intense pleasure or intense pain satisfied their hunger. Some gods are "good" like Yatwer, so maybe she rewards their followers by giving them intense orgies or whatever, but most other gods would be too busy to flay you into a million strips and braid you into a loincloth. Some of the most intense imagery in all of Bakker's books are describing afterlife. That shit is terrifying, and imagine experiencing it for real. It's described as your soul being passed on from ciphrang to ciphrang like a piece of meat, to be gnawed and burned and ripped to pieces for all eternity. It's horrible, I'm not a strong motherfucker, I think I would have joined the consult in a heartbeat.

>>17529101
Kek, Bakker is an athiest, brainlet, cope more.

>>17529031
earwa is the point of maximal objectivity, the outside are the realms of increasing subjectivity at its fringes. objective morality comes from the god-of-gods aka the absolute, which is beyond the circle of the hundred; subjective morality comes from the gods which are themselves constructions of subjective desires, ie archons.

>>17528978
>and how that morality is define?

>>17529119
>the moment the you realized that the Consult is the lesser evil overall

Wtf I love the consult now!

>>17529128
>i hope there's a god
he's agnostic

>that scene at the end of TTT when a Akka RENOUNCES

Good god that was satisfying to read.

Just finished TTT- should I continue on to The Judging Eye or read Wolfe The Wizard Knight as a temporary palate cleanser?

>>17529160
i vote palate cleanser. the next slog you're in for..... whew lad. the ordeal makes the holy war look like a stroll in the pleasure gardens of the andiamene heights.

>>17529134
What?

>>17529160
Just keep going, I think The Judging Eye picks up 20 years after TTT. All this Bakker talk makes me want to reread the books.

Why were there only 300,000 men in the Great Ordeal? Seems like a low number. Wasn't the Holy War bigger than that in terms of soldiers?

>>17528803
If you want more good storytelling advice, check out a book called Story Genius. Easily piratable and it'll give you some more instruction on how to craft the kind of story setup I'm talking about. (Nothing about YA specifically, though.)

>>17529166
Slog as in wheel of time books 6-10 slog or minor inconvenience

Be honest motherfuckers

Consult or Believer?

The Consult ARE unmistakably evil. But their tools are all necessary. Their weapon-races like the sranc and skin-spies are necessary to be soulless and driven purely by hunger and instinct. It makes them easier to control for their masters.
And the No-God is, perhaps, the most HUMANE way to reduce the world's population. Once no one is born, once no other soul enters the world, it's only a matter of time before the world gets fully closed to the afterlife. You can put billions of people to the sword, or you can prevent future births. Which one is more ''humane''?

The believers are delusional but there's at least some evidence that not all gods are truly bad. I imagine someone like Yatwer to be at least partially on human's side. Remember she is a goddess of the poor, the caste-menials, the ostracized, and she is also a god of birth. She wants people to flourish and prosper and multiply, even if it means she gets more souls. It would be in her best interest to help humanity. And I think other gods would want to help humanity prosper too, again, if only to get more souls.

Consult = shit life, no afterlife
Believer = good life, probably shit afterlife but not necessarily, could be good afterlife too

It's a gamble bros.

>>17529170
gnostic cosmology, refer to pic related for a loose explanation.

>>17529289
>>17529170
of course I forgot pic

>>17529289
>bakker is an antinatalism at his core

EXTREMELY BASED

>>17529289
Fane Gang here. Gods a shit. Only God-of-Gods is true. Basically the same worldview as the Nonmen desu. And the Nonmen's science experiment called the Dûnyain.

>>17529306
What? It's just a world salad, many of those world contradict, sound like schizo-tier stuff, still, there are some interesting thing there. Someone need a science-philosophy pill.

>>17529286
The slog of slogs.

>>17529379
It's done purposefully stupid and dumb and gibberish. Someone needs to do a similar comic but with a more in depth and sane explanation. It's really interesting, I'm actually starting to study all this for ''realz''
Read the bible, the nag hammadi and the gospel of thomas. Dunno where to go from there but I figure one I'm done, I'll know what to seek out next.

>>17529160
you can do either, 20 year timeskip so no harm in waiting, if you want mor ethough jump right in

>>17529407
Just give a quick rund down about gnotisicm, bro, to me it's sound like another type of religous philosophy.

>>17529268
thanks, just got the audiobook, do you have any more recommendations?

>>17529289
the consults evils are hardly neccesarry, they want resumption so they can continue to torture and rape people, aurgang/rax aren't torturing and raping because it's a strategic move it's because they were designed to heap dammnation upon themselves, largely agree with what you say.

IMO the consult may be right in a utalitarian perspective, but such evil can't go unpunished, even if it leads to a worse outcome, guess I'm just a christfag

>>17529439
>quick rund down about gnotisicm
god squared exists, and regular god is meh

>>17529312
bakker is NOT an antinatalist, doesn't he have kids. I hate antinatalists noooo there's no way.

Anti natalists are retarded their whole argumetn relies on the unproven assumption that most people don't enjoy life and are happy to have been born, they just have a cope of


NOOOOO 90% OF PEOPLE ARE SECRETELY UNHAPPY THEY JUST DON'T KNOW IT

>>17529208
Kellhus did the calculus to optimize his Ordeal. The more men, the slower the host moves anyway. The greater number of men plus the slower movements means they start to eat sranc sooner. They barely lasted as a cohesive force for, what, two weeks on sranc? Now imagine that for a month or two.

>>17529439
they are literally and unironcially all 80-90 iq retarded schizos

>>17529289
Consult, with a doubt. See >>17526041
I would do literally ANYTHING to stop myself from being eternally damned.

>>17529379
the 'science-philosophy' pill (analytic philosophy) is the absolute one-hundred-and-eighty-degree OPPOSITE of pic related. it's apple and oranges. it's different vocabularies. it's like saying "the sky tastes Why Thank You! today". the science-philosophy pill does not help when it comes to the experiential/emotive/schizo/"continental"

>>17529467

>>17529509
Im suicidal (have been since I was ~11) and I would choose having experienced love and brief happiness with all my mental and physical pain over experiencing nothing every time.

>>17526041

>>17529518
>experiencing nothing

You don't get to "experiencing nothing" ,bro... well.. because you don't exist to being with.

>>17529509
this. the torments of this world outweigh its joys.
the world is but the uppermost layer of hell. it is unethical to force humans to be born in such a place.

>>17529208
it was stated that Kellhus needed to prepare like 10 years for supplies for the great ordeal and that it was harder than the actual thing, the ordeal were just cannon fodder for K anyway, having an extra 50 or 100k at golgotterath would have been irelevent

>>17529320
Not sure I see how Fanimry is in any way comparable to what the Nonmen seek.
The Fanim still believe in the Solitary God and that they will go to some sort of a paradise if they jihad enough.
Also what the fuck is up with the Psûkhe and why is there no Mark?

>>17529509
the chances of most of those in the 1st world are tiny and stuff like being raped or mental illness don't matter, i have one myself and im still happy, mentall illness is fake anyway

>I forgive God for creating me.
>Can He forgive Himself for making the world?

>>17529484
So yeah, that's the problem, because continental is pretty schizo, it cant put a limit on their belief, like anything goes, as analytic thinks: "ok, what is truly truth, or at least very plausible and go on from there, what is reasonable to believe or not?".

>>17529534
Take your meds bro.

>>17529534
And what about the people that were not born in 1 world country?

>>17529589
antinatalists are usually westerners trying to convert westerners, an african would probably just laugh at you

>>17529581
doctor said I don't need them

>>17529601
and have 7 children, leading to massive overpopulation-related problems in his own country and for the world in general.

>>17529601
an african is not even a human bro, there are like lest evolved human type.

>>17529608
whitoids have so many abortions though 7 kids are needed to import to stop population decline

>>17528990
There's no absolute rules like that. If the dialog is unusual (in a good way) or otherwise evocative, it can make for an effective opening. That being said, I'd never start a book with a lengthy conversation because the reader has no reason to care about the speakers.

>Bakker is an antinatalist

Dare I say... well... extremely based!

>>17529565
I know we're getting off topic here but I like Richard Rorty and he's a good middle ground between continental and analytic

>>17529635
I don't think I've ever read a book, good or otherwise that started with dialogue

>>17529657
it was preemetively refuted by Jesus Christ

Inri Sejenus? ayo lemme rearange DAT

NE JESUS

(Iēsus Nazarēnus, Rēx Iūdaeōrum) represents the Latin inscription which in English reads as “Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews

>>17529689
*any jesus

>>17529665
>>17529689

>it is refuted by Jesus ok! praise the lord!
>who is refuted?
>I-i d-don't know, JUST KEEP FAITH!

When is the next kingkiller chronicle come out? Main guy is your standard /lit/ poster

>>17529689
Did you seriously only now find out that there is some inspiration taken from real life in the story?

>>17525489
This.
It’s also rather hilarious that none of the main characters get killed in battle. That and the retarded healing powers.

>>17529759
bakkerbros lets not get too cocky here....

>>17529720
never, unironically

>>17529707
yes, i'm not a papist larper though

>characters hair turns white overnight/in a short period of time from stress

name a better trope

>>17529770
Never read Bakker. His prose is too hard for me.

>>17529842
I can't.

>>17529862
>Kellhus = Agent Cooper
>The Outside = The Black Lodge
>FBI = Dunyain
>Consult = BOB and co
>Soulfood = Garmonbozia

>>17529900
based, but no way Kellhus is Coop. Coop is way too wholesome. Kellhus is some evil- autistic-hypersmart-soulless-Mary Sue. Coop is the platonic form of 'soul'.

>>17529928
Mr. C

>>17529942
wow duh I'm retarded. Season 3 was all a dream. literally

>Finish book
>Spend more time wondering what to read next than actually reading
I just finished Day of the Triffids. It was fine, but definitely shows its age. What should I read next?

The Apostolic Succession:

Clark Ashton Smith > Jack Vance > Gene Wolfe

Just started the Malazan series, and I'm almost done with the first book. Why does the first book get shit on so much? It's not been perfect, but the world is interesting and it's been a pretty good read so far. Are the next books just a lot better?

>>17530373
Wyndham's short stories are quite fun if you're looking to try more by him.

>>17530535
A couple reasons. GotM just drops you into the thick of things leaving some people confused and irritated. Also, lots of people who shit on GotM drop the series so the rest of the books don't get shit on nearly as much.
Personally, while I think books 2 and 3 greatly improve on GotM, I find GotM to fall somewhere in the middle of the pack when it comes to Malazan novels.

>>17530535
I was biased going in because I heard Erikson's characters weren't great and so a lot of their actions had me scratching my head (especially Paran's) but as I kept reading the books not only got better but I realized the people who said that were full of shit.
I'd have to go back and reread it but I have no doubt it's solid

>>17530535
Mostly impatient people who expect handholding and want easy reads.

>>17530859
Most people just want to funpost.

>>17530412
But that's wrong.

Bump Limit

>>17528414
It's because I'm dead inside that I can't come up with anything that feels worth writing. The longer this goes the less of a shit I give about sharing my ideas because they all seem dull and worthless

half the time I can't even give enough of a shit to complain anymore. I just crave death

>>17531254
You crave attention more.

>>17531254
Check out this shit: >>17529268
It completely changed my approach to thinking about what's "worth writing."

>>17531309
No I don't. that's exactly the problem. I don't even care enough about attention anymore to go through the work of getting it. Even doing something like posting on reddit take too much effort

I only post here because your disapproval means nothing to me.

>>17531314
thanks anon. I'll look

>>17531205
I meant the angle brackets to indicate transmission of the dying earth setting/mood, not as indications of superiority.

>>17531539
Do a -> next time, then.

>>17531549
Okay, fren.

>>17529289
Believer.

If I end up in hell I'll probably change my tune but I want the freedom to do regretable things now.

And I want to love the world so much that I'd trade my soul to save it, even though I doubt I'd actually have the strenght to take that deal.

>>17525220
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>>17525188
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>>17524743
I will never read Bakker.

>>17528504
Humor is shit. Felt way too self aware. Atleast thats how blade itself felt.

>>17531839
that's nice. good for you, anon. do you want a cookie?

>>17531845
There is barely any humour in the book though. Do you mean Glokta's edgy inner monologue?

The blade itself is by far the worst thing Abercrombie has written. Since he didn't dip his toe with short stories or whatever, instead just going straight in with a full novel.

>>17531254
If writing makes you feel like shit you probably are not meant to write. Chances are most people on here aren't going to make a living off writing, so you have to do it in order to satisfy something in you.

Pic related in the most literal sense.

>>17532141
Name one (1) published work from Charles Bukowski that you have read

what's the best order to read stories out of these? the books is about Conan the Barbarian

>>17532186
Give me one (1) reason why that has anything to do with what I said. The gist of which being "if you don't like writing, and don't need to write, then don't write".

A new thread will not be made before this one is archived.

>>17525878
The story has concluded. Resumption restarted and no stopping it this time. 144000 souls is how the world ends.

>>17532604
There's always more Bakk-up.