/lit/ - Literature

>>17531407
I literally dont care what a bunch of Auschwitz mode or fat as fatass retards in bandanas are planning.

If they say they’re antifa and want to destroy democracy, they’re actually agent provocateurs from the FBI. Anarchists want more democracy. Direct democracy.
Stop shilling this trash.

>>17531452
You will never be a woman.

>>17531457
You will never be a man

>>17531464
based Butterfly
put those incels in their rightful lowly place

>>17531464
>checks dick
yep, still a man
>checks your axe wound
yep, also still a man

>>17531452
>>17531464
SAGE IN ALL FIELDS FAGGOT
40 YEAR OLD SPINSTER

>protesters show up at some bookstore in Seattle or Portland to protest their plans to stock Andy Ngo’s book
>protest gets national attention
>pre-orders surge and Andy Ngo’s book which would have largely been ignored debuts on the NYTimes bestseller list

>>17531425
>>17531407
>The enemy is both weak and strong
lmao you retards are classic

>>17531407
>reading mutt books
nty

>>17531452
Posts like these are better than any advertisement money can buy.

>>17531483
Is this something you’re doing, anon?
How much Faux Newz paying you?

>>17531520
YOU'VE WASTED THE BEST YEARS OF YOUR LIFE POSTING ON THIS IMAGEBOARD

andy ngo is a joke

>>17531485
I dont think the enemy is strong. I dont worry about them. That's why I dont care.
This whole thread is stupid. You're the most stupid for your special education tier reading comprehension.

>>17531529
says the communist tranny lmao

>>17531525
And working for a living, yes.
But I read and I live as best I can

>>17531531
Wow. You don’t care soooo much, you’ll shill for this book?

>>17531485
Weakness has always been a form of power. There a reason why the man who came closest to conquering the world is most famous for getting nailed to a piece of wood.

>>17531562
>Appeal to the Jesus myth

>>17531574
>appealing to the direct democracy myth

>>17531578
Like saying drinking water is a myth.

>>17531600
>being this retarded
no wonder you chopped your dick off

>>17531574
>a myth that has perhaps exerted more influence on the world than anything else is irrelevant
Images of civil rights protesters having firehouses turned their way did more for their movement than and any speech from MLK or Malcolm X. Their appearance of weakness was precisely their strength. The Christ myth proves itself relevant again almost every five years.

>>17531600
>>17531559
YOU'VE WASTED THE BEST YEARS OF YOUR LIFE POSTING ON THIS IMAGEBOARD

>>17531600
You are rather cocky for someone with a room temperature IQ.

>>17531520
What are you talking about? That really happened, look up the LA Times article about the Powell’s Books protest

>>17531718
It debuted at 3 or 4 on the bestseller list. Preorders surged last month after the protest.

>Anti fascism = fascism
But
>every time I post in an evola thread I get made fun of

>>17531559
I literally am saying the book is stupid and this thread is stupid. You're not the real butterfly.

>>17531407
>author's last name is NGO
this is obviously a GONGO
>A government-organized non-governmental organization (GONGO) is a non-governmental organization that was set up or sponsored by a government in order to further its political interests and mimic the civic groups and civil society at home

>>17531452
Um, anarchists think democracy is mob rule and repugnant.

>>17531559
>working for a living
what do you do, butters? what's your profession?

>>17531477
Anon, why are you/me/we such a cyberbully?

>>17531772
Your name is anonymous, just like all your friends.
Whoop?

>>17531789
What anarchists you hanging with? Literal children, anarcho-punkbandistas who will grow up to become oath keepers or lawyers

>>17531810
... I’m literally a lawyer now. Why do you have to call me out like that butterfly? I still wear my docs to court and help out my buds. Does that count for ANYTHING?

>>17531407
I cant read chinese so no

>>17531814
If you don’t know theory, you don’t know what anarchism is.

>>17531810
Anarchists think the state is illegitimate, and most—the ancaps anyway—are hyperindividualistic. Democracy is a system of government where the collective takes responsibility and agency from the individual.

>>17531846
First of all, ancaps are neoclassical liberals. Bitcoin may be poised to end banking, but we won’t see an end to the state. We’ll just have billionaires and private armies.

Second, there are many forms of anarchism, they will persist for some time of course.this is only natural. The individualists or separatists will suffer alone how they please.

Thirdly, democracy is a decision making tool for the masses. Collectivism has to organize itself somehow, and non-representative direct democracy is the way. This is maximum freedom

lmao

>>17531873
no

yes, and most see democracy as trash

Maximum freedom would be citizenship based on one's ideology. You could still security, the courts, health inspection—anything the state provides, but it would all be privatized.

>>17531947
still have*

>>17531452
>Anarchists want more democracy
Excuse me?

>>17531407
Uses a fake British accent
Faked his injury
Works for an Israeli owned blog

Why are conservatives like this?

>>17531947
>no
Wrong
>yes, and most see democracy as trash
No, just the separatist individualists. The rest have to HAVE TO organize SOMEHOW. And DD isn’t a state, it’s organizing. Anarchists see this now and that’s how they organize now.
>Maximum freedom would be citizenship based on one's ideology. You could still security, the courts, health inspection—anything the state provides, but it would all be privatized.
No. The separatist individualists will live on the fringes with this ideology all they want. What’s that about privatized? You’re a liberal.

>>17531955
Read on. I’m explaining it

>>17531997
>it's not a state if you call it "the people's republic of working people's revolutionary working peoples"
lmao, what a retard

>>17531997
Your ideology is as fringe as mine, Butters. Why the propensity to organize? I'll keep to my own and you the same.

Mob rule isn't freedom, the free market is.

>>17531574
>>Appeal to the Jesus myth
Seems butterfly thinks his archenemy is both weak and strong.

>>17532055
>Why the propensity to organize?
Irrespective of ideology, organizing is the only way to ensure immunity against our overlords. Disobedience, resource pooling, etc don't work if only few do it.

>>17531574
>>17531600
Proof that trannies are retarded.

>>17532103
Don't forget agorism, bud.

Organized opposition, yes, but as a system of governance, I don't see it as moral. I'm not disillusioned with the nigh impossibility of implementing my ideas. It all depends on the masses, unfortunately.

>>17532037
>forces words not said. “There! Retard!”
It’s not a state because it’s just their homes. I don’t even advocate written laws, but I get no say in the details of just how far we’ll take it. If we are able to take it.

>>17532055
“Mob” has to live somehow, froggy. How do you think we’ll get by? Complete chaos and belligerence? Certain disaster.
Free markets are liberalism and we tried that. With bitcoin, we’ll change a little, but I’m afraid it won’t be enough. The billionaires will still have their monopolies.

>>17532285
>what if we made a really big home that authorizes the votes of the working people workers and called it "the capitol" or something, that way it wouldn't be a state lol

>>17532311
>that authorizes the votes
More forced words bullshit. You’re not coping very well here. Look, if you don’t want to understand a thing about it , fine, go ahead. But do go. Stop trying to talk about topics you don’t understand and spitting at those who do.

>>17532435
>it's not a state because houses!

I see. You’re just lonely.
Come back when you can be civil.

Currently listening to
https://youtu.be/UX1gQQyAm68
>I ate soup with a little bit of me in it
!

>>17532285
>Complete chaos and belligerence? Certain disaster.
No different than a statist appeal to order. If a mob must live (I don't see why it has to), it can be upholden the NAP.

>Thinks free markets are a failure
No, socialized goods are shittier & of lower quality compared to their free-market counterparts. Why should I be concerned with billionaires? I'm not entitled to their net worth. Their faults are lobbying corporate interest, buying off the media, and using government power to crush the competition.

>>17532501
“Free markets” do not free humans. It leads to a variety of slaveries. One stage of it leads to the next. What stages could non accumulative currency lead to? No money at all. Then what? Not the “free market” I can tell ya.

>Let the mob kill each other
See, you are a liberal.

>>17531407
Andy makes a great point in saying how the right and left don't understand antifa, right sees them as basedboy faggots and the left see's them as good boy who dindu nuffin. In reality they are the organized shocktroops of the ruling class.

>>17531452
>>17531477

>>17532525
All you're doing is advocating for the tyranny of the masses against the individual and calling it freedom.

>>17532525
I define freedom as living to one's own accord. Tyranny leads to slavery—sorry, but being a wagie isn't enslavement. Your labor is worth what the world determines it as.

>See, you are a liberal.
I don't give a shit what you call me. Again, you're appealing to a statist argument that it's going to be the hunger games without some ruling system. You could have private security.

>>17532565
kek

Anyone got some interesting passages from the book. I want to read it now that the NYTimes has trashed it: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-02-08/andy-ngo-new-book-still-pretends-antifa-real-enemy

>>17532566
>oh noes! Everyone has a say in their own lives?! NO9OOOOOOOO
How many times I gotta tell you? The separatist individualists can just bugger off if they damn well please. Get over it.

>>17532626
>Hunger games
It’s that now. Accumulative currency will always ensure this mindset for a society.
>sorry, but being a wagie isn't enslavement.
Shut up

>>17532649
>oh noes! Everyone has a say in their own lives?! NO9OOOOOOOO
Everyone has a say in everyone else's life.*

>It’s that now. Accumulative currency will always ensure this mindset for a society.
It'd be nice if everyone was equal, but using any metric, we just aren't. If you don't want to work as hard as the next guy, you shouldn't expect to have as much. Competition drives innovation and social improvement.

>>17531407
/lit/ is full of the most insufferable pseudointellectuals, I see more coherence on /pol/.

>>17532718
Just realised all the retard posting was one mentally ill tranny, sorry for my ignorance.

>>17532649

Ok tranny

>>17532712
>It'd be nice if everyone was equal, but using any metric, we just aren't.
This is what it always boils down to.
"You have more than me, therefore I deserve your stuff."
It doesn't matter how or why one person has more, the entire leftist ideology is only about why they deserve your stuff.

>>17531407
>anarchists and communists unite under radical ‘anti-fascist action’ banner have anarchistic and communistic views about the rest of society

NO SHIT

>>17532712
Are you pretending not to know a consensus vote is? Are you pretending to read the rest of what I typed?

>No! NO BODY EQAUL
not in your bleary bloodshot eyes, liberal scumbo.

>>17532712
Are you pretending to not to know what a consensus vote is? Are you pretending you haven’t read the rest of what I typed?

>No! NO BODY EQAUL
Not in your bleary bloodshot eyes, liberal scumbo.

>>17532762
If the decision rule is unanimity, I'll never make the consensus since I don't view voting in a system forced upon me as legitimate.

>No! NO BODY EQAUL
We aren't. Some people want to work 80 hours a week and others want to do part-time work; Some are able to program AI and others only have the skills to work in an assembly line. In what way are all people equal? Please do enlighten me.

>no one's talking about the book
>instead one guy and a faglord are getting mad over the internet

>>17532750
the entire leftist ideology is one big inferiority complex, to anyone who's not wilfully ignorant it's very clear that each race is both physically and cognitively different and the vast majority of perceived inequality's are a direct result of this, of course there are exceptions to the rule, but they are just that exceptions.

>>17532813
Sorry, but I won't stand for Butters spreading equity shit. (I should probably go to bed, though)

>>17532800
NO ONE EVER
E V E R
MEANS EQUAL IN ALL ASPECTS.
COULD YOUR MOTHER MAKE YOU AND YOUR SIBLINGS EQUAL? NO OF COURSE. DID SHE MAKE THE SMALL ONES LIVE IN BACKYARD? DID SHE FEED THEM LESS? DID SHE NOT SEND ANY OF YOU TO SCHOOL?

FUCK YOU AND YOUR SOLIDLY BONE HEAD

>>17532813
No is ever going to read this shit book.

>>17532820
On the macro scale yes, but even on the individual scale, no two people are equal no matter how you measure it.
Forcing equality of outcome like leftists demand is insane.

>>17532853
I didn't ask all, just one. Name me one quality we all equally share.

>>17532854
You fucking imbecile.
You push people into abject poverty and then blame them for not “making it” to your ridiculous standards. Do you take pride in your classism and racism?

>>17532871
I didn't push anyone into anything.
Also,
Nigger.

>>17532871
Name. Me. One.

>>17532867
ANOTHER IMBECILIC POST
Fuck you people are the stupidest.

How do you call yourselves Americans?
“Liberty and justice for all” not “some” ALL
Do you understand what it means?
It means freedom and equality. The laws of the land were supposed to balance us all out. To get away from the crown and the terrible unfair classism.

>>17532877
You promote it. You West Virginia coal miner? No of course not.

>>17532888
So you've got nothing.

Yes, let's hold everyone to the same standard. That means we don't have people on that grind compensating for lardasses.

>>17532894
I'm not your mom, and I owe you nothing.
Your weird sense if entitlement means I don't feel like being generous to you either.

>>17532888
Freedom and Equality, not Equity, everyone has access to education, everyone has access to assistance programs, the less "privileged" have access to even more assistance but due to a lack of intelligence and a detrimental culture aren't able to utilise these services in a meaningful manner to elevate themselves out of poverty.

>>17532888
this is cute

>>17531407
no... not democracy!

>>17532888
Balance? it was about allowing each man to achieve his best on merit of his own efforts, and for the most part america is still exactly that, ever notice how leftist tend to be the ugly, weak and stupid?, you cannot succeed on your own merit and expect those he can to babysit you.

>>17532916
ratty little shit

Andy Ngo is a pussy, antifa is the new red scare (not that jerking off about how evil communist are ever went out of style), and anyone who unironically purchased this deserves a milkshake to the face for being retarded.

>>17532958
With or without quick drying cement?

>>17532910
>looking for the wrong answer
>gets the right answer
>declared victory
After a shower I’m still wondering if you’re sincerely this stupid or just trolling.
>eternally worried over laziness
Racist coward and lard ass yourself. What kind of world would it be if we all had to take responsibility for ourselves? Buncha lazy lardasses, hu?

>>17532916
I don’t need you. And no one owes you electricity either. *click*

>>17532934
>everyone has access to education
In theory. But no.
And equality under the law has also been a failed theory. And you don’t even know it. Tell me you attended college. So funny.

>>17532939
I don’t lose my temper often.

>>17532952
>ever notice how the poor (leftist or rightoid) tend to be the ugly, weak and stupid?
Ftfy, and yes. Why do you think I’m an anarchist? I don’t want this to happen anymore. THATS why we need to improve the faulty sham deal this nation-state started with.

>>17532958
>Organisation of self identified communists funded by subversive globalist commies aren't communists

How's it feel to have a sub 80 IQ?

good thread, binds the spamming retards for an hour at least

your worldview is a joke and so are you btw

>>17532988
You’re in over your head Donny

>>17532986
>I don’t need you.
Good, then fuck off.
>And no one owes you electricity either. *click*
That's why I pay for it.

>>17532986
Okay, are you for equity or not? because the industrious not aiding the lazy is a pretty individualistic stance

>>17532986
Equality under law only fails due to the inadequacies of the individual, no matter what system you live under you'd still be a mentally Ill loser, the only system in which you wouldn't be is an authoritarian system in which your allies are in , which I shouldn't have to tell you would be absolutely full of inequalities, but clearly I do have to explain it to you.

>>17532998
I agree, explaining anything to disingenuous wilfully ignorant dipshits is a herculean task I am not prepared for.

>>17533002
With fake worthless money. Not for long you won’t.

>>17533006
Someone was making a loud case for the individual a minute ago. Those are going to be the laziest sorts. And they’ll be fine with that. Live under a bridge sorts. E’erybody else is going to GET education, healthcare, clean food and water, shelter, etc. no one will work for fear of being thrown to the streets. They’ll work because they want to keep busy. Read News From Nowhere by William Morris

>>17532986
And how would we be lardasses if given complete responsibility and agency?

You know what's great about the free market? I don't need to survive with no help—I can specialize in one service/product, and exchange it for currency to purchase products/services others are skilled in producing.

>>17533015
Communist parties aren’t practicing communism anymore than the DNC stands for democracy, dipshit.

>>17533028
>Those are going to be the laziest sorts
What projection bullshit is that?

>>17533028
Do these people look like they work?
>>17531469

>>17533030
>It’s really great to have to pay off an eternal debt to the wealthiest, buying my free time, with no hope of escape. Yeahhhhhh

>>17533035
They keep portraying them as wanting nothing to with society. That.

>>17533048
That means they inherently have to work to provide for themselves, which is the opposite of laziness.
You're the one demanding you're owed something for nothing.

>>17533034
That's right the same tired bullshit, "It's not real communism", it's communism in name and outcome.

>>17533034
>it's communism up until the very policies that make it communism turn everything to complete shit in which case it was never really communism because it failed again

>>17533054
>You're the one demanding you're owed something for nothing.
Wrong. You haven’t even asked me, and I guess don’t seem to know what I’m “demanding”
>slavery is good! Keeps people from being lazy!
The modern age has fried your brain, son. Shut up already.

>>17533075
>China is communist! Waaaaah

>>17533111
>>slavery is good! Keeps people from being lazy!
I mean, it's the last time niggers were good for anything.
Treating antique farm equipment like it's people was the single greatest mistake in American history.

i sympathize with most of butterfly's anarchist ideals but only in sentiment, i can't see them as possible, it's an inevitable state of affairs. the world is cruel.

e.g. democracy is a fantasy, i say that not because i love the alternatives, but because i've never seen democracy in action anywhere, i'm a teacher and when i observe the little cliques among my students, each of them are monarchies, there's always a strong, decisive personality who dominates the rest. the same is true among the teachers.

>>17533111
Nice get butterfly can you post booba now

>>17533125
sad but true.

>>17533135
Idealized systems are for brainlets and not worth consideration.
The bare minimum for a system to be worth discussing is "what if someone disagrees with the system?"

>>17533135
If women didn't have a vote democracy would be fine, instead holes have replaced men with the state as the state is a much more powerful provider than any individual man, so they constantly vote to give the state more power and removing individual rights for the sake "safety", compounded with that state has weaponised hole empathy to encourage them to vote for mass immigration policies that aren't for the sake "humanitarian" ideals but simply to keep labour cheap and reduce societal cohesion.

>>17531407
>yet
never

>>17532958
first they came for the pussies, and I did not speak up, because I am a total fucking pussy

>>17531485
Why is holocaust a reason why you can't be antisemitic anymore?

>>17533179
the what?

>>17533184
You could be perfectly antisemitic before that, afterwards it's somehow out of the limit because they suffered so much. Had weakness not been "strength", we'd be bullying jews for holocaust(as Zionist jews did early in Israel's history).

>>17533170
This.
The more people who are allowed to vote, the worse things get, because most people are politically and economically illiterate.

>>17531477
This also Bernd from krautpol s the on acceptable one.

>>17533202
I think we should have a 1 vote per family policy, you are only entitled to a vote if you and your partner are both born residents, married, have children and pay tax.

>>17533218
Or only let taxpayers vote

>>17533310
most women work so no.

the one who does the letting controls the outcome anyway. without the charade of democracy our rulers would still impose the same system

>>17531452
you receive your zoom call and immediately you get her.
Slave
bootlicker
no worse bootlicker than a (((leftist)))

>>17531574
not a myth
you will discover soon enought

>>17533349
And they receive massive welfare benefits

>>17533409
Delusional turd amongst a sea of delusional turds ITT
You deserve to be homeless

>>17531407
Waiting for my copy in the mail.

Does /lit/ have the worst triptrannies?

>>17531407
right wingers are so cringe when they strawman the left

>>17534304
wheres the lie tho

>>17534698
Not so much a lie as a severe overstatement of the threat of such a thing. Their "radical plan to destroy democracy" means little when they've absolutely no way of enacting it. The Trump retards quite literally stormed the Capitol building and even that's an entire non-threat to democracy. It's just another non-book for people that want their online circlejerk opinions validated.

>>17534752
They will never succeed in overthrowing the U.S. government, but it's completely normal people who are attacked in the process and have to suffer for it.

>>17531407
Mainstream conservatives are so embarassing, antifa fucking LOVE democracy because they can trust it to dunk on republicans every single time and give them all the cultural influence they want. For Andy Ngo to say they want to destroy it is to accept antifas worldview that they are the underdogs fighting against oppressors when they are more like the unofficial thug enforcers of the regime itself.

>>17531452
Shilling what trash? The book in the OP is making the same point you are making, that antifa are a destructive movement and probably filled with agents provocateurs.

I don't get it with you. This is the first post I've seen you make where I thought it wasn't so bad, you're at least saying something, it's not completely oblique to the thread topic. I was ready to say, wow, the first normal butterfly post. Then I realized you didn't even read the OP, you literally just saw antifa and assumed it was pro-antifa? "Stop reading this trash"? You didn't even read the fucking OP

I really have a hard time not wishing suffering on you. I hate you in a way that surprises even me. You disgust me on a level I didn't know was possible. I have come to understand some horrible atrocities in history by imagining the perpetrators hated the victims a tenth as much as I hate you, and felt a tenth the disgust I feel when I see you. If a nation of mes had lived with a nation of yous in the 1600s, all modern history textbooks would talk about The Great Butterfly Massacre and we would all colloquially reference the Butterfly Death March instead of gas chambers and gulags. When people wanted to say "get gassed" or something offensive they would say "get netted" and post a picture of a me in traditional me garb putting a big net over a you's head. Such would be the violence my people would commit against yours. There would have been no Hitler, no Stalin, because it would be thought gauche to even consider imitating our brutality and thoroughness. I wish I could remove whatever you are from the universe like a cosmic surgeon cutting a tumor out of the fabric of reality. You are an accident. You make me doubt god.

>>17531407

What 0 materialism does to a mf

>>17535107
>For Andy Ngo to say they want to destroy it
that's literally what antifa's stated goal is, no matter what chapter you're talking about
>antifas worldview that they are the underdogs fighting against oppressors
that is unironically what they think
>when they are more like the unofficial thug enforcers of the regime itself.
and that is what they actually are

>>17535257
Show me where they say they want to destroy democracy.

>>17535609
probably the part where they're anarcho-communists

>>17535620
yeah and they have no path to actually making anarcho-communism real because it's a fucking meme and they are larpers, so they do what every young american communist does, vote for joe biden and align themselves with the regime. What someone does says a lot more than what they say.

>>17535659
that's cool friend, but your post was "Show me where they say they want to destroy democracy."

>>17535679
Sure, my mistake. I'm just pointing out there's a difference between them saying it, and having a 'plan' to execute on that. They will never do that, they will just be lapdogs of liberalism forever.

>>17532560
he makes this point in the book? does he explain why? I’ve heard that term used before in relation to antifa. sounds like it makes sense but I want more details on it.

>>17533048
>eternal debt
What debt? I don't owe the billionaires anything and visa versa. Sorry, but you can't expect to live without supporting yourself/offering something of value to the world. No one is obligate to support the pathetic & lethargic.

>They keep portraying them as wanting nothing to with society
Ancaps and preppers are not one and the same. You can still be inclined to be part of society even if you resent tyranny.

>>1753311
>I guess don’t seem to know what I’m “demanding”
It seems to me you're demanding everyone should work according to equity, but if you're fine with Ancapistan doing its own thing then I've got no qualms with that.

>slavery is good! Keeps people from being lazy!
Define slavery, because having complete responsibility and agency isn't it.

>>17535811
>>17533111
*

The problem with the Right is they allow fucking retards that are trying to scam boomers be their leaders.

This is why the right slowly loses and China is rising.

>>17535885
how's sleepy joe working out for ya?

>>17532560
lol antifa is just the middle class atheist who want to fill up his life with a spooky narrative and just fight cops as rite of passage into his biased view of history, is hegelism and marxism

>>17532560
>In reality they are the organized shocktroops of the ruling class.
>another conspiracy theory
As expected

>>17535982
already been confirmed

>>17531452
ah didn’t know i was an fbi agent. thanks! anyways direct democracy isn’t anarchism, maybe you’re thinking of communalism or something

>>17536208
you're like the informal boy scout version of a shinefriend

>>17531407
Who cares what they do to "democracy"? Do you think your vote matters post-2020? What a joke.

>>17536231
It never did

>>17536430
This requires thinking that Trump was a plant which I don't believe. I don't think he was /ourguy/ or something either, mind you. I think there were controls in place which were not fully coordinated and thus could be overwhelmed or subverted through unpredictable outcomes, and that's no longer the case.

>>17536461
I don't think Trump was a plant. On a national scale, the election has never come down to one vote. Plus, voting is just choosing one variety of tyranny over the other.

>>17536231
>2016: guy gets elected who didn't win popular vote
>vote matters
>2020: guy gets elected who won popular vote by a landslide
>vote doesn't matter

>>17536508
Don't play stupid with me. I'm not going to dignify this with a further response.
>>17536502
>On a national scale, the election has never come down to one vote.
Of course it doesn't. I don't think that matters.
>Plus, voting is just choosing one variety of tyranny over the other.
And now you don't even have that.

>>17536531
>Don't play stupid with me. I'm not going to dignify this with a further response.
???
you believing /pol/ shit and calling *me* stupid?

>>17536547
If you can't figure out how our republic works and the role of democracy within it, yes I am calling you stupid.

>>17536508
Trump would have won the popular vote had he had to. He barely campaigned in hard blue states as he knew losing them by 1% or 50% made no difference. If it was a straight popularity vote, one vote per person, he'd have tried and succeeded to win over more otherwise disillusioned north californians.
But this has been proven to death, as has the fact there were fake ballots in the 2020 faux election. Arguing about yankee politics on a literature board is reddit incarnate.

>>17536603
>But this has been proven to death, as has the fact there were fake ballots in the 2020 faux election
maybe you could give us a source then

>>17536579
oh ok

>>17536603
There's no way to know what the popular vote actually was. It was manipulated but not enough because they didn't think he would actually win. He simply overwhelmed it enough in enough states that he pulled out an electoral victory.

>>17536628
>>17536603
>>17536231
lol fucking /pol/tards

>>17536628
And in places like California, I doubt there's any way to know what their voter counts realistically are.

>>17536628
Thankfully we fortified our election with the CCP's Dominion voting machines so we never have to worry about the incorrect candidate winning ever again.

>>17533518
>A Tranny calling anyone delusional

Deliciously Ironic

>>17535107
The boots on the ground antifa are completely oblivious to the fact that they are tools of the system, you'd think having the same political opinion on BLM, Feminism and Capitalism as every huge corporation and Hollywood celebrity might tip them off, but being a leftist in today's political climate takes either a vagina or a special kind of retardation, it's the only way the hypocrisy can be rationalised.

>>17537013

>>17535204
>I really have a hard time not wishing suffering on you. I hate you in a way that surprises even me. You disgust me on a level I didn't know was possible. I have come to understand some horrible atrocities in history by imagining the perpetrators hated the victims a tenth as much as I hate you, and felt a tenth the disgust I feel when I see you. If a nation of mes had lived with a nation of yous in the 1600s, all modern history textbooks would talk about The Great Butterfly Massacre and we would all colloquially reference the Butterfly Death March instead of gas chambers and gulags. When people wanted to say "get gassed" or something offensive they would say "get netted" and post a picture of a me in traditional me garb putting a big net over a you's head. Such would be the violence my people would commit against yours. There would have been no Hitler, no Stalin, because it would be thought gauche to even consider imitating our brutality and thoroughness. I wish I could remove whatever you are from the universe like a cosmic surgeon cutting a tumor out of the fabric of reality. You are an accident. You make me doubt god.

>>17532958
Proud boys is the new red scare, bunkerchan retard

>2021
>Half of the comments are from some retarded namefag
>People in this thread are unironically feeding in to his mental illness by arguing with said namefag
>mfw
The ultimate state of /lit/

>>17535910
I'm on Xi Jinping's team my guy.

Antifa are simply the people rising up. They exist because of the failures of American leadership. The way to calm the primal temper of the masses is to address the issues that they are angry about, otherwise they will escalate their rage.

>>17532560
>In reality they are the organized shocktroops of the ruling class.

He's quite right about this.

>>17538192
Except they have nothing to do with the ruling class and are directly challenging them

>>17538218
Wrong. They are funded by the ruling class.

>>17538229
Conspiracy theory. Antifa aren't an organized group, it's a term to refer to various anti fascist activists and black bloc anarchist groups protesting who are not affiliated with each other. Antifa is just a symbol, not a group. Anyone against fascism is Antifa, anyone can go downtown and protest and be part of Antifa, it's just the people speaking up about their discontent.

>>17538241
>Conspiracy theory. Antifa aren't an organized group,
Nonsense. They are highly organized. Read the book, or perhaps just open your eyes.

>>17538254
I'm not reading a propaganda text that distorts the facts to further Fox's agenda.

>>17531407
It's nice to see that he's fully recovered from having his skull fractured by antifa supersoldiers.

>>17538241
>Update
The bulk of it is comprised of organized groups coordinating with each other. I think it's safe to say that a group of people sharing a uniform, acting in a coordinated manner, and marching under banners are organized at some level, even if it is in an informal one.

>>17538241
>Antifa aren't an organized group, it
>it's just the people speaking up about their discontent.
LOL

>>17538241
It boggles my mind that someone could hold this opinion and the opinion that "white supremecy" presents a serious threat that must be combated at the same time.

>>17538241
>>17538241
Youd be surprised how pozzed americans are by fox news about antifa. Americans think 'antifa' is extremely well organized and financed. It would be hilarious if they knew how basic the group is. Sometimes its fun to keep the andy ngo lies going though just for laughs.

>>17539196
"Antifa" itself may not be, but it is buttressed by organizations that are. They just take a few extra steps to create plausible deniability.

>>17539207
Are these the activist groups that people think are a front for antifa? Have you met someone in antifa before?

>>17539226
The Dems called off antifa like pets after the election

>>17539226
I don't they're a front. I think they're mainstream activist organizations and established anarchist/communist groups that use the "antifa" banner to commit acts of violence that would destroy their legitimacy.

>>17538932
lol you believe this shit?

>>17539407
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
do you not, they seem proud of it

>>17535982
Bill de Blasio's daughter and the AG of Minnesota's son were openly Antifa last year.
University professors were throwing Molotov cocktails.
All down the memory hole it goes.

>>17539419
also rather interesting to see what sort of chaps gave donations to all those DAs that let them all off without bail all year

>>17537052
I wish I lived in the same world as you midwits where the media, universities, corporations, and hollywood are anything other than spineless neoliberal dumps.

>>17539251
are they godless communists or are they controlled by democrats, anon? these aren't compatible.

>>17531699
Cope. Your just assmad she btfo’d you

>>17539557
godless communists are the little bitch footsoldiers of the dems, being a commie is the socially sanctioned way of ''''''rebelling''''' since it threatens nothing and nobody in power

>>17539660
this. butterfly triggers brainlets

>>17531452
please shut up schizo tranny tripfag

>>17539542
The ppl scared of antifa in this thread are jordan Peterson tier leves of stupid lol. Conservatives are so scared of universities it is pretty funny

>>17537932
>just embrace communism and antifa trannies will stop rioting bro

>>17540016
Cause the left commuting acts of political violence white impunity is totally fine because they haven't killed anyone, right?

>>17540016
And the fear of what happens at universities are more than justified. How should people react to the single most important institutions in our society (the ones responsible for vetting and training all people who end up in positions of power) being transformed into large-scale Skinner boxes to train communist and anarchist activists?

Antifa was a thing in Europe long before Americans took on the symbolism when Trump got in. The black bloc anarchist people have been around since Seattle WTO 99 and Occupy. They tend to pop up more when there's a shitty conservative president like Bush or Trump in office, but they've been around for a while. Antifa are active mainly in left leaning towns like Portland, Berkeley, San Francisco, Seattle where there's historically been leftist activity anyway. It's nothing new really, there's just been more anger during the Trump years because of how polarizing he was so more people got involved with these things. If there were social media in the era of Reagan I bet he'd get as much hate.

>>17540616
>The black bloc anarchist people have been around since Seattle WTO 99 and Occupy
The black bloc of those days is long gone, though, replaced by these idpol commies

Wtf is cummulative currency

>>17540616
In America, they called it Anti-Racist Action in the early nineties. It only turned into antifa in America at some point last decade.

>>17531407
no, but sounds based

>>17540616
Trump wasn't polarizing, the media was.
The disconnect was between retards who unironically believe the media, and those who know better.

>>17542631
>Right wing populism isn't polarizing
Anon!

>>17540016
>being against a bunch of criminal scumbags is like, so dumb y' all

>>17531407
no

>>17542689
It's not, unless you're a gullible idiot who for whatever reason still believes the mainstream media.
"LE KIDS IN CAGES" is totally fine now because the media stopped talking about it since the bad orange man is gone.

>>17542747
It's not just about muh mainstream media, Trumpism itself is polarizing by embracing populist and nationalist ideas that clash harshly with the left wing orthodoxies on these topics. It's the ideology itself that causes the polarization.

>>17542784
>trumpism
You are an idiot.

>>17542784
>It's not just about muh mainstream media
Read your own fucking post.

>Trumpism
You got that from the MSM.
>populist and nationalist
Those literally mean "appeal to average people" and "put the interests of country you were elected to run first". You were gaslit by the media into thinking these are bad.
>that clash harshly with the left wing orthodoxies
No, it clashes with the media narrative on these topics.

It is literally entirely about "muh mainstream media".

>>17540590
Universities are reproducing the current relations of production, creating a labour regime, and reproducing neoliberal cultural logic, hierarchy and so on - in short Capitalism. Who is pumping this fear into you, and how much money are they trying to make off of this fear? Get a hold of yourself fren

>>17542793
Because I used a word that you don't now its meaning?

>>17531407
oh shit I just realized that the antifa in the cover is doing the Virgin walk

>>17542923
>You got that from the MSM.
I didn't even use it with a negative connotation. Trumpism is a useful term because Trump represents a certain ideological shift with the previous Republican status quo.
>Those literally mean "appeal to average people" and "put the interests of country you were elected to run first". You were gaslit by the media into thinking these are bad.
Actually I haven't said anything about them being good or bad. What I said is that there are political ideologies both in favour and against them. Yet you seem to think that the only possible reason to oppose Trump is muh mainstream media, as if it is not possible to have genuine political disagreements with Trump's policies. And we haven't even touched on his lack of respect for democratic institutions, which would be another reason to dislike him.

>>17543051
>Trumpism is a useful term because Trump represents a certain ideological shift with the previous Republican status quo.
No, it's an attempt to reframe basic national self interest as something that's new, extreme, and fringe, and inherently tied to the bad orange man, and therefore is bad, like the orange man.
If you weren't aware of this, you're sliding off the left end of the IQ distribution.

>>17542969
Due to the conditions of living in a technological society, universities exert a unique form of influence by controlling the educated labor supply by doing vetting and training for firms, and gatekeeping whatever minis use amount of social mobility’s is left for the average person. This puts them in the unique position here all other instructions depend on them to such an extent that they are allowed to propagate whatever they want with little challenge. Since they have been seized by the the left for decades, they propagate leftism with the hopes of pushing all industry and government as far to the left as they can. If what you are saying were true, conflict theory oriented sociology , Marxist history/literary criticism, and cultural studies as we know them would not be allowed to exist, yet they are fount in every last school. This also ignores the myriad other parts of leftism incorporated into every facet of university life and curricula.

>>17543051
>as if it is not possible to have genuine political disagreements with Trump's policies.
since those are litteraly never discussed is there any wonder?

>>17543051
>Yet you seem to think that the only possible reason to oppose Trump is muh mainstream media
Literally every single one of your talking points, straight down to your terminology, is copied directly from the identical MSM narratives flooding every station.
So no, I don't actually believe you have a single legitimate reason for hating Trump that you came up with yourself, and weren't directly fed.

>>17531452
democracy is boring

>>17543088
>No, it's an attempt to reframe basic national self interest as something that's new, extreme, and fringe, and inherently tied to the bad orange man, and therefore is bad, like the orange man.
Actually I explicitly said that I use it descriptively, to mark the shift in Republican politics following Trump's campaign. Since you continue using the same strawman after I explained it to you, it is evident that you are a bad faith actor.
>If you weren't aware of this, you're sliding off the left end of the IQ distribution.
More ad hominem fallacies instead of arguments, sad!

>>17543098
>since those (genuine political disagreements) are litteraly never discussed
You can't be serious, even if you only read Conservative sources you are bound to have hit upon criticism of Trump's views at some point.

>>17543382
Nobody cares how you choose to reinterpret MSM buzzphrases, you're still a retard for using "trumpism" in any context.

>>17543514
>someone disagrees with Trump
>no, they cant possibly disagree on policy or ideology grounds. they are brainwashed by the joo media
This is an example of Trump's polarization

>>17543123
>Literally every single one of your talking points, straight down to your terminology, is copied directly from the identical MSM narratives flooding every station.
The term "Trumpism" can be used with a neutral, or even positive connotation. You are accusing me of being in a bubble, which is ironic considering you have no clue how the term is used outside the mainstream liberal media you hate so much..
>So no, I don't actually believe you have a single legitimate reason for hating Trump that you came up with yourself, and weren't directly fed.
And I am not terribly confident that your political views are based on your own reasoning instead of just coping the talking points from your social space, but that's not the point. My position is that there can be *genuine* reasons, whether you consider them legitimate or not, to dislike Trump. You may not like some of his policies, like the Muslim ban or the trans military ban. Or you may not like his disrespect for democratical procedures. To say that the ONLY reason to not like him is buying into lib propaganda is to say that it is not possible to genuinely disagree with Trump on anything, which is absurd fanboyism.

>>17543522
If you're not brainwashing by the joo media, why are you regurgitating all their buzzphrases and debunked talking points?

>>17543514
>you're still a retard for using "trumpism" in any context.
Imagine being so dense that you don't understand why context matters. Sad!

>>17543526
>The term "Trumpism" can be used with a neutral, or even positive connotation.
Except it doesn't, and isn't.
It's an attempt to reframe basic national self interest as something that's new, extreme, and fringe, and inherently tied to the bad orange man, and therefore is bad, like the orange man.
That is the only reason why you would use such a retarded term like "trumpism", which again, you didn't even come up with, you're literally just regurgitating from whatever your MSM disinformation channel of choice is.

>>17543621
This, it's literally a psyop to tie a populist agenda to a cult of personality whose avatar can then be humiliated and destroyed. It's not real, it's a false label that can only be created within the contextless disinformation bubble that American are trapped inside.

>>17543526
>My position is that there can be *genuine* reasons
Except now you've completely changed your entire argument.
This is your original retarded argument:
>It's not just about muh mainstream media, Trumpism itself is polarizing by embracing populist and nationalist ideas that clash harshly with the left wing orthodoxies on these topics. It's the ideology itself that causes the polarization.
People didn't develop Trump Derangement Syndrome just because they disagreed with a policy, and your own posts are evidence of this, right down to calling it "trumpism", and calling Trump a "populist and nationalist", when you could have just as easily framed it as "a patriotic man of the people".

>>17543680
> you could have just as easily framed it as "a patriotic man of the people".

how is that not a biased statement?

>>17543621
so every single thing trump did or espoused is in the national self interest? i disagree with that

>>17543690
>how is that not a biased statement?
Those are literally synonyms for "populist" and "nationalist".
Globalists have put a great deal of time, money and effort trying to turn "populist" and "nationalist" into dirty words, so that retards will be convinced that voting against your own interests in favor of theirs is somehow moral.

>>17535204

>>17543621
>Except it doesn't, and isn't.
If you only watch mainstream media maybe.
You can easily find random medium articles where "Trumpism" is used neutrally with a google search.

>>17543690
OH my god dude. Trump was fake. Trumpism is fake. They vented and aired the populist, nationalist grievances of white America, put all of that into the avatar of trump, and then killed him. Nobody's saying EVERYFIND DRUMPF DID WAS POPULST = GOOD FOR AMERICA.

>>17543680
>People didn't develop Trump Derangement Syndrome just because they disagreed with a policy, and your own posts are evidence of this, right down to calling it "trumpism", and calling Trump a "populist and nationalist", when you could have just as easily framed it as "a patriotic man of the people".
This has to be parody. Me using politically neutral terminology of political theory like "populism" and "nationalism" is evidence of Trump deranged syndrome. Instead I should use more objective terms like "a patriotic man of the people".

>>17543914
>Me using politically neutral terminology of political theory like "populism" and "nationalism"
Believing that the terminology of political theory is or can be neutral is its own form of derangement to be fair.

>>17544048
Populism and Nationalism are, or can be used, as perfectly neutral descriptive terms. Derangement would be denying that simple fact.

>>17531468
>simping for a man

>>17533212
>kraut
no such thing

>>17532649
>>17532565

>>17532565
based.

>>17531485
You mean like how Trump was simultaneously a bumbling clown who couldn't even read and a machiavellian tri-dimensional chess player with a secret plan to overthrow democracy?

>>17544590
> machiavellian tri-dimensional chess player with a secret plan to overthrow democracy
the qtard trumpers are the ones that believed that he was some 5d chess who was actually pretending to be retarded

his plan to overthrow democracy wasnt really a secret. he was pretty clear about challenging the legitimacy of the results, having his sycophants like giuliani push various conspiracy narratives to his supporters, undermining confidence in the election despite no evidence, and egging on his supporters to go challenge the result and keep him in power. nobody claimed that was secret, but blatant.

>>17543094
This is incredibly poorly written and very stupid and ignorant. How did you get so dumb? Thats the problem with Andy Ngo he brings absolute retards into the open where they make fools of themselves. Time for you to consider giving up.

>>17544681
Every single word of what I wrote is true. You’d be able to refute me with little effort if what I said were as wrong and dumb as you claimed.
The left has trained itself a complex rhetoric of dismissal to use when they can’t engage in discourse without making themselves look bad.

>>17544727
I'm interested in a genuine criticism of my position, so I'll make it easy for you. What exactly in my post do you disagree with? Do you deny that that universities are the primary institutions that teach and certify knowledge of specialized skills and that that gives them the greatest control over the educated labor supply? Do you deny that industry has outsourced their training and vetting to the universities? Are you denying that laborers trained at these universities have used the ideas learned at them to force their employers leftward politically? Do you, like the post I was responding to, claim that universities do nothing but reproduce "neoliberal cultural logic" even though curricula of multiple subjects and student life as a whole is rife with materials designed to challenge exactly that? Do you deny that academia has been seized by the left? What is it exactly you disagree with?
If I'm such a retard, tell me where the fuck I'm wrong? I really want to know. In other words, nut up or shut up.

>>17544727
But how did you get so dumb? who have you been reading, and what are you studying to reach your incorrect conclusions about universities? PragerU? Jordan Peterson? Dave Rubin? lol

>>17544882
I don't engage with anyone from the right-wing griftosphere. I've come to my conclusion by observing leftist discourse, tracing it back to its sources, and seeing its impact on public and private institutions.

>>17544928
oookay. But I don't understand how you really think you know what is happening in modern math, engineering, computer science, political science, law, etc, departments at schools. What you think is happening is not. Even sociology departments are very rarely studying Marxism, the field is not about that. Cultural studies is more about Agamben and Foucault than Marx.

>>17545055
>But I don't understand how you really think you know what is happening in modern math, engineering, computer science, political science, law, etc, departments at schools
Gen ed's and work done by myriad groups to ensure that these ideas are pushed into general student life.
> What you think is happening is not. Even sociology departments are very rarely studying Marxism, the field is not about that. Cultural studies is more about Agamben and Foucault than Marx.
You at the very least have to engage with him as a foundational figure. Everything else you learn is an extension of him in one way or another.

>>17544878
Not the poster you were replying to, but doesn't it seem that much of the leftist idpol in universities functions not to promote the extreme left, but rather as a palliative for the current inequalities of the system?
My own experiences, having spent a couple years at an elite college campus after growing up in poverty-stricken small town rural america, was that a lot of campus politics was directed towards creating a culture of self-victimization- in fact it seemed that the only way to make administration do anything was through vulgar performances of inhabiting some sort of victimized class (be it poor, homosexual, mentally ill, person of colour, or anything else). This carefully cultivated mentality was then used to justify that uniquely american rags to riches narrative. It would be common for people who literally spent the majority of their life in elite boarding schools to claim that they "work ten times as hard as the average white American" to get to where they are thanks to the apparent disadvantage of being a rich brown/gay/trans person.
Not that I disagree with you per se, but its not as though these colleges are focused on socialized healthcare for all or comprehensive social programs. More often than not, they form gated communities whereby wealthy children can organize to protest against police unions and rural renewal programs.

>>17531485
The useful idiots are not strong in any sense of the word. Their handlers are however.

>>17531407
Isn't he the guy who got a fake British accent from having a vegan milkshake thrown on him?

>>17545641
Yes. Pure fraud. He also works for an Israeli owned news.

>>17545641
>>17545843
>just ignore the politically connect street thugs burning down your local businesses, nothing to see here
Fuck off you disingenuous tards. You might dominate public discourse but everyone hates you and they'll pay you back once SHTF

>>17545869
fuck businesses

>>17545869
What is a troglodyte like you doing on the literature board?

>>17545912
Yeah stick it to the man! But also have the exact same opinions as the man, don't want to get in trouble lol

Why does the American right always have to create bogeymen?

Anyway, no I have not read it. It looks like polemical bullshit for brainlets

>>17545126
>Not that I disagree with you per se, but its not as though these colleges are focused on socialized healthcare for all or comprehensive social programs.
I'm sure both of those things are supported by every single person you described. Unlike the "Marxists" here, they're capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time.

>>17545980
Its not a bogeyman when it actually exists.
This whole tactic of denying reality and calling everyone who disagrees with you a conspiracy theorist isn't helping your cause, it just proves what a dishonest piece of shit you are and that nothing you say can be taken in good faith.
I mean it takes a whole ten minutes to find videos of antifa on youtube, and anyone who has lived in an urban environment probably knows people involved in the antifa movement. It's not the 'red scare' you pretend it is, its a clearly observable political movement that is alienating to a lot of people. Stop living in the 60s and grow up.

>>17546045
antifa isnt an organization though like the right implies it is

>>17546052
It's coordinated enough to justify seeing it as one. Just because it doesn't have a members list doesn't stop it from being an organization.

>>17546052
It's a coherent group of loosely affiliated organizations under a single banner. Nobody is claiming otherwise, least of all antifa themselves.
By your logic the FLN never existed either because they used a cell network. I suppose al Qaeda is just a made up bogeyman too, because they don't follow a top-down structure that only really exists within a couple corporations and states. Stop playing semantics you lying fuck.
Besides, I've never heard someone say that 'white supremacy' isn't a real thing because it's not an organization with a postal code. Why are you so blatantly hypocritical?

>>17531452
>they’re actually agent provocateurs from the FBI
This is correct, same with DSA.

shut up

>>17545980
>Why does the American right always have to create bogeymen?
Part and parcel of conservative thought in general. The right has always preferred to see radical change as a result of conspiracies rather than caused by social forces and mass mobilization. Structurally speaking, some sort of conspiracy theory or mythology is necessary for a conservative to remain a conservative. If they acknowledged change came from mass mobilization of groups with grievances or that their failures were a result of their own personal weaknesses and stupidity, then they'd have acknowledge real grievances or come to the realization that their belief in their own innate superiority over others is completely false. So instead of acknowledging problems they prefer to blame some small group of outside agitators secretly working to undermine them.

>>17547819
>social forces and mass mobilization
because these just happen out of nowhere right. lmao

>>17547819
Ah yes, if only conservatives would take responsibility for their personal failures they would realize that really it's a nefarious web of white supremacy patriarchy that is to blame.
>change came from mass mobilization of groups with grievances
you really believe whatever they tell you, huh?

>>17531562
>slave morality

According to MSM and leddit shitlibs:
>antifa
>NOT A THREAT BECAUSE THEY'RE A LOOSELY ORGANIZED GROUP OF ANARCHISTS WITH NO COHESIVE IDEOLOGY

>Boogaloo Bois
>ARE A THREAT BECAUSE THEY'RE A LOOSELY ORGANIZED GROUP OF LIBERTARIANS WITH NO COHESIVE IDEOLOGY

It's ok if it's your team doing it, amirite, niggerfaggots?

>>17548099
>>Boogaloo Bois
they literally invented this out of thin air overnight, i remember the day it happened. if there are even 5 people who call themselves that and arent feds id be surprised

>>17548099
I have no clue what you are talking about sir

>>17531452
Your dedication to being a pseud halfwit is impressive.
Go outside subhuman

>>17548116
Same thing happened with the term "alt-right". I was on /pol/ the day the first MSM articles about it hit. We were put under that category-- some embraced it, others were pissed off, because they didn't like the people they were now associated with. You could also argue the same with the term "incel" and the like. The Power of Nightmares is required watching.

>>17548156
its a term for white nationalist which /pol/ mostly is

Why are so many "anarchists" fags and women? Your entire world view is dependent on your ability to fend for yourself

>>17548185
Not him, but perhaps at the time of its inception it meant that. But, like all mass-memes, it is meaningless now due to proliferation of usage.

>>17548185
It's a term which was first used in a very vague way by the press to refer to a bunch of online right wing stuff, the first person I remember calling themselves that was R Spencer, another obvious fed

>>17531452
>Anarchists want more democracy.
No you don’t.

>>17537529
It is pretty much this. Into the thrash this thread goes.

>>17548156
>>17548185
>>17548226
It comes from the "alt-right corporation", an assortment of unrelated right wing organizations that were brought together by Blackwater intelligence operatives (or the CIA) in order to manufacture the public crisis of an imminent white nationalist threat that allowed deep state actors to manufacture political consensus and sideline skeptics.
https://counter-currents.com/2017/10/the-altright-corporation-and-the-american-deep-state/
Expect a comparable false flag in the coming months.

>>17548310
Expect one why?

>>17548333
Because they happen like clockwork every time the public needs to be corralled in one direction or another. If Biden wants to start a war, he'll need to present Baal with a blood sacrifice first.

>>17548348
You mean a ff to get into war with Iran?

>>17548358
Or Russia, but yeah.
I would expect it to happen after the impeachment trial, and given that Americans have been a bit edgy lately probably overseas at an embassy or military base.
If its Russia it will be an attack by "White Supremacists" who just happened to leave a paper trail in their house that leads back to the Kremlin. If its Iran it will be "Islamic Militants" or possibly even a nuclear bomb attack.

>>17545869
you can tell me to fuck off, but you're on lit and it seems like you're lost and should go back where your kind belongs.

>>17548425
I can't see the US trying to engage Russia in direct war. Even Iran would be a shitshow but they have clearly wanted to do that for a long time. Why would a WS attack help with that though? You'd think they'd just do an attack that directly implicates Russia/Iran. a WS ff if anything would be pretext to pass gun laws

>>17548425
Actually probably the most likely is a white supremacist attack, in keeping with the times, that is "funded, coordinated, and supported by Moscow" or something along those lines. Arctic oil offers more than Iran does, and white supremacy promotes a more expansive security state at home.

>>17548468
>Why would a WS attack help with that though?
It's common knowledge that Moscow supports Identarian groups abroad, not to mention the four years of trying to connect Trump with Putin.. There are also a lot of operatives within the WN scene, which could steer patsies towards a false flag.
Russian backed white supremacists is exactly the kind of thing the American public has been psychologically primed for the last four years. They could build up a catalog of evidence in the Trump trial even, although not enough people died in the attempted coup to justify an all out war.

>>17548533
But there's no way they want to start a war with Russia, that's insane. ff just to crack down domestically I could see, though given recent events Im not sure they even need to, they seem to be able to just do whatever they want already.

>>17548549
>ff just to crack down domestically I could see
That happened a month ago already.
They will face off with Russia over the Arctic at some point in our lifetime, all they're doing now is kicking the can down the road.

>>17548636
>They will face off with Russia over the Arctic at some point in our lifetime, all they're doing now is kicking the can down the road.
any material you have on this? It just seems impossible for those two to fight a war any time soon, it would be apocalyptic.

>>17548689
https://youtu.be/dV67yJHoPvw

Damn, I haven't checked this board in a couple years and I'm pretty shocked at how obnoxious Butterfly has gotten.

>>17531789
imagine being this retarded

>>17531846
ancaps literally do not exist

>>17531407
just ordered it and the handbook today, can't wait to read both

>>17549800
based

>>17549800
I sincerely hope you get beat to death