/lit/ - Literature

>>17600545
The Man Who Would Be Queen
The Transsexual Empire by Janice Raymond
Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality by Sigmund Freud

>>17600551
thank you

>>17600545
Females

>>17600545
Gender Trouble
Gender (Transitions)

>>17600545
my diary desu

>>17600545
who is this jizzabel

>>17600545
unironically my diary and also portfolio of various shitposts i have made over the years

>>17600723
what do you like about foreheads anon

>>17600545
The End of Gender
Irreversible Damage

>>17600770
>Irreversible Damage
this

I was dating a nice-looking but twisted chick who begged me to let her two Asian tranny friends suck me off while she watched and talked dirty. (Yes, faggots, she herself was a chick.)
I ended up going through with it. It was one of the most explosive orgasms I've ever had. I came like a hose. It's not that I'm into trannies. Just the whole arrangement and the dirty talk drove me wild.

You can ask me as I am one and love socializing

>>17601068

that's incredibly disgusting

>>17601097
I don't regret it at all.

>>17601068

that's incredibly hot

>>17601080
Tell me about the psychology that leads to you

>>17600545
Doesn't yet exist, it's like how every interpretation of WW2 that existed in 1940 was dead wrong and it is only possible to understand it now.

I think that transgenderism is just the next stage in progressivisms war against reality. It's also increasing because leftist ideology condemns people for being white men. And they offer no future for anyone like this, they just have to apologize for who they are and accept any demands made of them as they are replaced. There is only one way to escape this as a male leftist and it's transition.

>>17601229
maybe elsewhere, we can have a full discussion privately. but as for books, I have no clue, I'm too into fiction/more classical nonfiction

>>17601147
They looked similar to
https://i.4cdn.org/lit/1613837111676s.jpg
but without the piercings and eye shadow.
They kept their clothes on, so I didn't have to see their cocks or anything. In fact, I guess the whole CFNM thing going on there while I was completely naked also helped push me over the edge.

>>17601321
thats hot, i wished i looked like that

>>17600723
Katie dey

>>17601068

The Transgender Industrial Complex.

>>17601273
> leftist ideology condemns people for being white men
Liberals, not leftists. Leftists are the people who put trannys in gulags, not humor their delusional nonsense.

>>17601273
>War against reality
>White men are actually oppressed
We all are at war with reality, just like you are by saying this. Join the fight or die like a dog

>>17601400
And where are these true leftists? I never see liberals fight with communists, they both mutually enable and support eachother.

Anything by sneedtzsche
But srsly, judith butler

>>17601457
Yeah, I don't think that guy knows what he's talking about. There are some TERFs and such, but most of the left is overwhelmingly progressive

>>17601457
because liberals know that modern lefties arent an actual threat to the system

>>17600545

>>17600545
Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier. It focuses on how at least for girls this is a social phenomenon like anorexia.

>>17600545
Myra Breckinridge by Gore Vidal.

>>17601561
Neither is any mainstream right wing ideology yet they never shut up about it like Hitler is going to rise from the grave any minute now.

>>17601583
That's depressing

Katie Dey is a very talented musician.
Trans authors: Leslie Feinberg. Julia Serano. Judith Butler.

>>17602022
>Katie Dey is a very talented musician.
lmao no

It's because they hate their parents. Most millenials hate their parents because they probably got divorced, leading to a shaky and unsafe developmental environment. You may think that's a leap, but in reality transgenderism is just one of the many manifestations of this phenomenon (think of general rebelliousness ie. piercings, tattoos, drugs, etc.) Transgenderism itself is also something that is particularly heavily pushed by the progressive dominated institutions (media, school, tech, etc.) I would bet that the number of individuals identifying as transgender is proportionally higher among those who were raised in broken homes as opposed to those who were raised in stable homes that received adequate attention from loving parents. There may be transgender individuals who are perfectly mentally healthy, I don't know because I can't speak for everyone. But I would say that for most of them, it is a result of negative psychological traits caused by their upbringing. Even still, for those who this is true of they CAN remedy these negative psychological traits by genuinely forgiving their parents for all the trauma they caused and loving them despite it (and I'm talking about believing that in your heart, not just superficially saying it). That IS why "honor they mother and thy father" is one of the commandments in all 3 major religions.

>>17601273
i thought trannies existed in ancient times too

>>17600545
It's just autistic/intelligent people who watched too much porn. Why do you think they are all "depressed"?

>>17601565
>Banned on Amazon

>>17602429
Homosexuals have always existed, but this is the only society that has gone out of its way to reward that behaviour and punish normal behaviour. Expect words like "heteronormative" to become more and more mainstream and "masculinity" to become a bad word.

>>17602429
Yes, and they justified it exactly the same way as we do now, differentiating between the physical sex and the metaphysical gender, and the critique of gender roles and, and the critique of capitalism. Everybody knows, after all, that Elagabalus was an avid reader of Freud, Lacan, Foucault, and Sartre.

>>17602525
If you attempt to tell the truth, you get banned from amazon

>>17601068
King, living his best life

>>17600545
Just ask on /tttt/ if you actually want an answer.

Judith butler is a common recommendation

Whipping girl by Julia Serrano is good

I haven’t read Detransition, Baby but I’ve heard it’s good

Nevada is a mixed bag because as close as it gets to a realistic depiction of dysphoria it reeks of that insincere look-at-me-I’m-so-smart-and-snarky writing style and has no decent conclusion, mid desu

Is there any other trans literature not made for wine moms that like npr and want suffering novels. I mean, like shit

I do want to right a novel about a schizo-posting /tttt/ranny and how they reduce the world to AGP and HSTS though.

>>17601565
>>17602842
>da joos
yawn

Ray Blanchard

Are there any places on the internet where you can have an educated and calm discussion of transsexualism aside from various threads on the kiwifarms forum?

I feel like everywhere else is overrun by either poltards, feminists in the clutches of paranoid delusion, or the troon thought police.

>>17603866
Yes lets

>>17600545
The Transgender Industrial Complex

>>17600645
>>17600738
based

Lullaby, Chuck Palahniuk

>>17601068
Hot. I'm jealous anon

>>17601068
This is just being based

>>17601097
>>17601147
the duality of man

>>17600545
it's impossible to understand transgenderism when the people who experience it (as well as who enable it) actually have the least understanding of it
reading a book on it is going to tell you about a lot of things trannies technically do experience, but their experience has been tainted by a crystallized dogma that pervades the thought of all trannies in western culture that defines in extremely specific terms what a tranny is and what it means to be a tranny. this dogma has been shaped by partisan political forces that have no interest in the phenomenon of transgenderism itself - only what it can do for them, which is furnish walking shibboleths and hideous golems that have nothing without the protection their faction provides
how can you understand brainwashing from the brainwashed? you can read about the experiences of these people. but the meaning and valence they give to their experiences does not come from them - it is taught, it's fake, it's not genuine at all. i used to think about killing myself whenever someone "misgendered" me. but they weren't trying to hurt me - it was just that my "identity" was incongruous with what they saw in front of them, and they were honest. why did i view that as hatred, aggression, violence? because i was taught that i was a "woman" and that people who didn't agree hated me, because those partisans wanted me to feel afraid so i could run to their open arms and devote myself to them
trannies are battered wives. they are told over and over that they'd be dead without their leftist protectors, while at the same time the identity as a "women" assigned to them by those people makes them near-suicidal. you can't trust a single word they ever tell you about their experiences, because they're not actually their own - everything about how they feel about themselves is learned behavior. that's not to say there's no such thing as transgenderism, but you definitely can't learn about it from trannies
t. formerly "transgender", now just a human

>>17604113
Take your pills, Alice
I’ve seen this shit plenty of times

The way you talk about other trannies speaks volumes “golems”, projecting your dysphoria doesn’t make it go away, see you on /tttt/ in a few years or so.

>>17601068
Fucking gross

>>17604385
i don't have "dysphoria", i am completely at peace
i can't be hurt by words, by "misgendering", i don't entrust my peace of mind to strangers in the hopes that they'll play along with my delusions
it doesn't hurt to look in the mirror, to look at my body or see my face, there's no part of me i hate, not a single thing
can you say the same?

>>17601273
Dumb fucking take

>>17604443
Well, if you didn’t have dysphoria then imo you’re not transsexual and barely transgender in the first place, but that’s the /tttt/ talking.

Yes, I have dysphoria. I have felt horrible about my body since 11-12 and after years of active repression have figured out it was GD.

I don’t really care if someone misgenders me, in fact it happens every day since I am still currently a repressor/suppressor. I don’t really care about social treatment that much deep down, beyond being treated like a normal person I couldn’t give less of a fuck about others.

I just can’t deny that I don’t have a choice in being a tranny. It’s taken me a decade to even reach this position. I thought I was AGP (still do, but more so that testosterone is a hell of a drug) and could just repress it all out. I’ve deconstructed society like you have and realized the whole thing is pointless if ultimately we still live in one and live inside our bodies and our heads. It’s best to stop giving a shit about other people and live your best life on your own terms. Stirner was right. I’m probably going to diy in the closet. If social transition presents itself as a possibility I will probably take it. Somebody treating me how I would like to be treated would be nice but someone aggressively misgendering me has more problems than me imo.

Do you think that one day this whole "trend" will be looked back on like a real religion of sorts? How much farther can it go? It seems like a lot of people who are in on it are only superficially, but at the same time many of them seem to have entirely shifted their world view to fit with the values and beliefs associated with transgenderism.

>>17604113
There's a reason it's called the transgender cult. It exhibits all the markers of a cult. Except it also tries to actively incorporate everyone into their sick games. I am only unsure about whether most transgender people today were groomed into it, because there is such a large number of perverted men with fetishes who are now merely encouraged to act them out with abandon.

The truth is that dysphoria is a very common emotion. Most people suffer something very much like gender dysphoria during puberty. Those people overwhelmingly grow out of it, UNLESS they are transed, then they will be on board for a life full of pain and medical procedures.

>>17601080
>>17601302
>You can ask me
>Okay tell me
>No I refuse

>>17602429
No, that's wrong. Besides Heliogabalus, there's no evidence at all of this in history before the mid-19th century, and even then it's really hard to say whether those weren't gay men or Chevalier d'Eon style opportunistic crossdessers. In that respect it's not at all like homossexuality, which was so common in all times and places that laws against it are universal.

>>17604889
I'm fine to but I don't like convos here and don't want to spend more than minimal time here

>>17600545
The 41% Solution

>>17604113
Excellent post, but I think you're mostly going to get shit on for it. I want you to know that at least one anon could tell you gave a top-grade reply though.

Pic not the least bit related, it's just the funniest pic I've got saved, in exchange for your quality post.

>>17604944
>that subtle dredd line
lmao

>>17602429
The concept of gender identity is very modern and it's not at all clear whether humans have a gender identity. Most people apparently don't have an innate sense of gender, and can only apply the term descriptively to behaviours. "This is a female interest". "This is a male hobby". Of course even those are merely statistical observations of culturally determined things, nothing to do with internalized identity unless you brainwash people into thinking of themselves along those lines.

>>17605019
>it's not at all clear whether humans have a gender identity
This is really understating the situation. Gender identity *was made up entirely because* trannyism doesn't make the least bit of sense inside a gender studies/gender-constructionist framework, and this is so obvious that a cope was needed.

>>17601449
Coca Cola is forcibly training its employees on ways to "be less white" while McDonald's recently announced that it's restricting the number of white men who can become executives

>>17604113
Very based. Thank you anon

>>17603691
;)

>>17600545
>the psychology that leads to transgenderism

mental illness

>>17604113
Very insightful, thanks. I'd like to hear more of your experiences with this "movement" and how it affected you.
>>17604734
>Do you think that one day this whole "trend" will be looked back on like a real religion of sorts?
Yes, but only if we collectively get a grip on ourselves. If we continue down this road, they'll be hailed as saints.

>>17604944
that picture made me laugh like I haven't in years, thank you anon

>>17601400
you are LARPing, wait for your zoom call like a good boy.

>>17604443
My ancestors are smiling at me imperial. Can you say the same?

>>17603691
Yes? What is incorrect about that?

Unless I missed something this thread is like 95%+ anti-trans recommendations and arguments. It's fair to have that, but OP, don't only accept a single, one-sided perspective, especially when it goes against the professional consensus.

However, I really can't recommend any books on it, because despite being in my 5th or 6th year of transition I have yet to find a good one. Transgenderism has - as this thread has pointed out - been so relentlessly politicized it is almost impossible to find a take on it that isn't about some political agenda.

But, transgenderism has appeared prior to modern progressive politics, and if you go on /lgbt/ you'll find plenty of right wing trans people. Sure, they're an extremely small minority, but if even one exists then we have to accept that transgenderism and leftism are not inherently linked. Consider also transgenderism in Iran - most of them are right wing Islamist autocrats.

Your best bet is to read up to date research on the neurobiology of trans people, while recognizing that research is in its infancy. Anything else is going to be a thinly veiled social argument that can't experience reality independent of a political faction label.

i managed to read some jan morris books and really enjoy them before actually learning that she was trans. i see she has written a book about her trans experience, anyone read it?
it's nice that she or her publishers don't make a big deal about it and most of her books don't mention it

>>17607244
Best answer in this thread

>>17601068
Fucking an asian sissy is possibly the most based and redpilled thing you can do.

You are fucking an asian boy, a boy who's father raised him to be a man, who never thought he would be doing HRT, putting on frilly dresses and getting cummed in his asshole, who probably thought his son would grow up to start a nice asian family like him, but instead is getting fucked in the ass by another man, and a foreign white devil at that, moaning femininely, and taking the seed of a much more alpha caucasian man deep into his boywomb. He is not just homosexual, but made into a woman. If only his father could see this, what he would be thinking inside of his head, that he raised his little boy just to be a cum-dumpster for the white man.

You, by fucking him, are meta-physically cucking another man, stripping him of all his honor and dignity as a male and also diminishing his race through the sissy race play you perform with his daughter(male)
and this is why fucking an Asian sissy the most alpha thing you can possibly do as an European man.

>>17608006
since his father is asian he probably thought ahead and had like 5 other boys precisely to not be bothered by contingencies like this

What did the hentaibrained autogynephile mean by this.

>>17608264
jesus christ like, imagine that's you, talking about your own body. just imagine. it's so grotesque i can't even find words to describe it

>>17608006
Not to mention that Asian trannies really do put in the work and end up looking like legit women, aided by natural Asian-man soft facial characteristics.
It would be very easy to lose oneself in the moment and see two Asian chicks sucking one's cock while the legit chick's words distract one's reasoning mind.

>>17601068
No man should be sucking dick, that's fucking disgusting.

>>17608264
>want to be a woman
>actually get realistic pussy
>still robot-tier grossed out by the sight
Say what you will about the Lord, he has a marvelous sense of humor.

One of those retarded commie books about atomization or some shit. Just remember that everyone is trying to exploit you at all times and don't fall for the identity meme.

>>17601647
based

>>17609450
>Say what you will about the Lord, he has a marvelous sense of humor.
kek

>>17602429
it's a red flag that transgenderism has to justify itself by retconning itself into history. if trans people always existed why wasn't there a transliberation movement prior to the last century? protestants played this game with guys like savanarola to justify their shitty idea too

>>17604060
i think you mean invisible monsters

>>17600545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8BRdwgPChQ&t=4s

Whipping Girl by julia serrano is the only thing that I've read that's had an balanced explanation of being trans I've found. Everything else is pedo-"queer theory" shit, or pol tier schizo ramblings

>>17604113
wagmi former tranny bro, glad you escaped too

>>17608434
Am Asian and know it to be true.

>>17600545
Men Trapped In Men's Bodies.

>>17604443
Are you a tasty femboy now?

>imagine the pheromones

>>17603866
yeah, /lgbt/ is the most levelheaded place for discussing this shit on the internet

>>17604113
Dude I can understand. I was under the same spell. However, I didn't do it based on trending factors. My mind was unprepared for being stuck into an internal mental ward. Understanding transgenderism is the same as trying to understand schizo or socipathic behavior.

I did it as a way to get away from the mundanity of life. I felt imprisoned by the limitations of my being. Akin to being disassociated with life and looking at nature as a husk of a being. An illusion that is all made up and is limiting my own ideals.

I then realized what I was chasing wasn't because of gender dysphoria, but of aesthetics. The arts. I was trying to make myself into a beautiful human being. That was the chase I was going for. After understanding individuals akin to who put aesthetics as the highest virtue.

I then started to rethink my life and I realized being angry about mislabeling is just foolish and weak attitude.

It is an attitude of the weak. Embrace both masculine and feminine qualities of life. Fully live life as what one shall mold themselves into their own ideals.

Mental weakness is just as bad as physical weakness. One must be strong and deligent and sharp. In order to become a beautiful sculptor that man has yet seen the beauty of. Which is established by the mind, body, and nature.

Become committed. Don't become an addict.

Picrel. is exactly me, realizing the falsehood of my old gender dysphoric ideals.

>>17602539
>this is the only society that has gone out of its way to reward that behaviour and punish normal behaviour
Lmao wtf writes shit like this hahaha
>>17604916
Didn't they find an egyptian man dressed in woman's clothes recently?

>>17602429
The answer is not really... But maybe.
The main lines of evidence offered by trans-activists are usually individuals who identified themselves with the opposite sex in some way (elagablus has become popular lately even tho he was a shit emperor) or cultures which had a different understanding of sexuality (apparently a number of tribal cultures had third genders of one kind or another).

I don't find anything I've seen convincing, and I think the activists are doing themselves a disservice. The appropriate line to take should be a critique of freedom.

Previous human societies were organic wholes. Medeival europe is a good example. There wasn't a sphere of politics, religion, science, culture, etc., it was all just ONE, an organic totality which adapted itself. The development of the rennaissance, the enlightenment, modernity, and ultimately capitalism tore all that apart and replaced the previously socially mediated elements of society with a new one, the commodity form.

Now as the 21st century begins social relations continue to be broken down and digested, and this is where trannies come in. The ability to just switch your gender has never existed. On a technical level it's possible because of advances in biological technologies, but on a social level it's possinle because of decaying bonds and increasing atomization. This is as far as most people get.

The REAL redpill is that this ability to express one's self as one chooses is actually a social advancement. By destroying previous forms of social bond capitalism is acting as a force for progress, permitting human freedom to take on new forms. This capacity has never existed before in human history, and if we are to meet the future heroically should be embraced.

>>17611580
>The REAL redpill is that this ability to express one's self as one chooses is actually a social advancement. By destroying previous forms of social bond capitalism is acting as a force for progress, permitting human freedom to take on new forms. This capacity has never existed before in human history, and if we are to meet the future heroically should be embraced.
This has to be bait lmao, but imagine people actually think this... frightening.

im trans and fascist ama

>>17600545
Anything by Wittgenstein, or simply look up his concept of "language games."

>>17604113
Exactly, it's like hoarding, ask a hoarder what they think of hoarding. Good look getting much insight from a person who's living in the most warped of physical conditions and thinks that what they've progressively made of their habitation is a perfectly and genuine expression of who they are "inside."

>>17600545
The lyrics and video of Little Dark Age by MGMT.

>>17611626
How is transgenderism consistent with fascism?

>>17611544
I tried talking about it on lgbt once and people kept telling me to transition.

>>17611933
it's orthogonal. It's no service to my community to continue being a depressed loser and spread my faulty genes to future generations. I have to contribute in different ways

>>17611945
are you saying that giving up your boipucci is how you express nationalism?

>>17611959
im not androphilic

>>17611626
with my magical powers of divination i have determined that you are autistic and use discord regularly

>>17611771
Here's an example of what I mean: https://www.jstor.org/stable/3810769?seq=1

>>17600545

>>17612023
this is comedy gold

>>17612139

>>17611580
>Didn't they find an egyptian man dressed in woman's clothes recently?
Haven't heard of anything like that, but it also wouldn't prove anything whatsoever about transsexualism.

>>17611819
Excellent analogy.

>>17601068
Holy mother of based

Orlando by Virginia Woolf. (Yes, I know it's fiction.)

>>17612139
>>17612151

I don't find this funny. It's deeply fucking sad, man.

>>17613527
you can laugh or you can cry but it's more fun to laugh

>>17600545

This is something you should be asking Mrs. Butterfly. I'm sure "She" would provide you a decent reading list.

Why hasn't anyone accepted they would op's pic ?

>>17601068
get off my board

>>17601068
is it weird that i find "dirty talk" to be kinda weird and cringy most the time? I feel like perhaps i just over romanticize the experience to the point where talking "dirty" feels well....dirty in a bad way i guess, like the difference between a stereotypical nice wholesome virgin girl and a vulgar unclean prostitute

>>17605967
sure mister 4chan man, I believe you, why would I need proof

>>17613595
you might find this discussion about it interesting https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26206783

>>17613591
I feel a similar way except I generally view dirty talk as pretty fucking cringe. It reminds me of a grim old pervert calling up a sex line and wanking off in his disgusting apartment. When I hear the same lines echoed by a woman I find otherwise attractive I feel repulsed. As I'm getting older I'm realising how gory and nerdy sex is when viewed through that lens. I dunno, it just cringes, but not in a puritan sense. Dirty talk is often trying too hard and trying to be taboo just for the sake of it.

>>17600551

>The Transsexual Empire

sounds hot desu

>>17607244
shut up you mentally ill freak