/lit/ - Literature

>>17650793
They don't really have one as far as I know. Dennett has some mental gymnastics I'm sure but I doubt you want to start believing thermostats are conscious.

>>17650793

None good yet.

>>17650818
>>17650817
you guys do realize metaphysical explanations have their flaws too?

>>17650939
No, how dare you. [My favourite metaphysical explanation] is utterly flawless and you got filtered.

>>17650939
yes, metaphysically
>>17650793
interpretation of input.

>>17650793
why would a response be needed?

there's no reason to think qualia isn't a physical process

>>17651268
it is by definition but it isnt material
>>17650974
which is then expeienced as experience, something unlike the substance of the input, which is material that is observable by outside subjects
>>17650939
yes, but the pure materialist stand is completely out the gate

>>17650793
Man...why do you guys make these posts with the pretty girls? They're very cute but they bum me out.

>>17650793
Who is this girl? Reverse image search turned up nothing.

>>17650939

Absolutely, in fact the entirety of ontology of colors is just a huge clusterfuck.

>>17652692
AHHHHHHHHH I tried again through google instead of tineye and found a gif of her dancing lewdly. Fuck. Why has our society failed women so badly? She should have a family. I don't understand how the past few generations have allowed our society to decline this badly. How do we get out? How do we fix this? What the fuck can I do?

>>17652692
>>17652775
her name is Holly Earl

>>17652870
Yeah, I figured that out. Thanks though. Is there anything that can be done to make things better?

>>17652895
Unless you can somehow flood the earth and start anew, no

>>17650793
Dude, why do you care about such a stupid subject?

>>17652895
Yeah, just be a good man and make people around you better.

>>17653209
How do I do that?

>>17653202
Shut up, racist.

>>17653248
I'm not racist.

>>17653218
Virtue will pervade your aura and affect everyone you come into contact with if you practice it enough. Pay someone a sincere compliment. Figure out a way you have lied to yourself and decide to stop it and find out why you did it.

>>17652903
I'll be praying pretty hard from now on
Thanks for the suggestion

>>17650793
>What's the physicalist response to color?
The Acquaintance Hypothesis, which states that Mary’s experience of red involves a different form of knowledge than what Mary encountered in her studies, called ‘knowledge-by-acquaintance’. It denies that her experience of red was propositional, and therefore factual, and so it would not come under the purview of Physicalism, which again is just a collection of all the facts. This is to say nothing about its physicality—only that its absence from the collection of all facts does not constitute a threat to the collection’s truth.

If Physicalism is true, then Mary had learned and knows all the facts, and all the facts are physical facts. The way Mary came to know the facts was through knowledge-by-description. This covers all the discursive knowledge, whatever can be conveyed through propositions.

What Mary does not possess is all knowledge of the form knowledge-by-acquaintance. This can be described as “knowing what it is like” as applied to experiences. Hear Earl Conee, who wrote that
>“learning what an experience is like is identical to becoming acquainted with the experience… This suggests the more specific acquaintance hypothesis that becoming acquainted with a phenomenal quality consists in experiencing the quality”.

So, to know what it is like to have an experience is to have actually had the experience, and having had an experience with “a maximally direct cognitive relation” (i.e. awareness) to it constitutes knowledge-by-acquaintance. So it is true that Mary lacks knowledge-by-acquaintance of the experience red, for she has never had the experience of red prior to being shown the color; it is also true that Mary lacks knowledge of many other experiences, such as the experience of living in Paris, on account of having never been to Paris.

What qualifies knowledge-by-acquaintance as different is that experiences are not factual, and do not take a propositional form. There can be facts about experiences, and propositions can be arranged to express some experience, but experiences themselves are “irreducible to factual knowledge”.

>>17653637
GO THE FUCK BACK

>>17653720
To college? No thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity_and_the_color_naming_debate

linguistic studies have provided far more insight into the matter

>>17652775
Hey there, anon. I understand how you feel. I often comment on how I hope pretty girls have lots of children when I see them posted here. The current state of things is pretty bleak. Relations between the sexes are out of balance, Whites are in decline, and we are facing a mass extinction event. Most of it can be blamed on greed. The best you can do is better yourself (work out, learn some skills) and try to find yourself a good woman. There are still good ones out there. They are a challenge to find but it’s not impossible. Good luck.

>>17652775>>17654258

why do you assume a girl is born inherently pure and then men corrupts her like atheist and liberals like Rousseau keep saying. Why can't you accept a woman is born a slut and dies a slut

>>17653637
Intellectualism was a mistake

>>17654892
I can't speak for the other guy but I feel this way because I don't think most women possess the agency to be a certain way without permission from broader society or a peer group. They're extremely sensitive to social pressure and usually fall in line with whatever the dominant ideology is. Depending on who is in charge or who their friends are, they can be woke feminists or white nationalists. Most women before the 20th century were very traditionalist and nationalistic. Even today in many parts of the Islamic world women are the ones who are the most passionate defenders of what many in the west would consider oppression. There are some exceptions, such as very bright and independent women or women plagued with severe mental illness but I think most are just in need of a strong man and a strong community.

For the record, I despise Rousseau.

>>17650793
good question, i'm not going to bother telling you however because you have posted a jezebel. please kindly kill yourself at the earliest opportunity, you absolute nigger

>>17654917
It's crazy to think that 150 years ago almost all women in America were white, thin, trad, Christian, ethnonationalist, and wanted to have 5+ kids. Finding that now would be like finding a feminist back then.

>>17654949
Would you still be a trad Christian if you lived back then, or would your contrarian sentiments pervade to make you a degenerate?

>>17654977
I'm not a contrarian. I got to where I am ideologically because I love white people and realize that certain norms are necessary to have a functioning society. If I lived back then and didn't have to think as much about race, I'd probably spend time thinking about religion since I would be less likely to be an atheist and maybe be involved with some sort of nativist political movement.

>>17655011
That is respectable. However, if I may say, America was a mistake from the start.

>>17655028
Thank you. Why do you think America was a mistake from the start? The ethnic cleansing of the pre-American people has a tragic aspect to it but that's just a part of history and they were already doing it to each other so I don't consider it a mistake. Conquest is a part of life. The slavery thing was absolutely a mistake. No part of that was good. If you're talking about the enlightenment stuff, I can agree with you that it was a mistake. Our obsession with idividualism and capitalism is killing us. The actual colonization and the creation of the American people was a wonderful thing though. I just wish we hadn't ruined it. We could have had a paradise.

>>17654949
I think I'm gonna throw up. How the fuck did things get so bad? I don't want to do this anymore.

>>17655058
>Our obsession with idividualism and capitalism is killing us.
This, and also the role it played during the WW2, forever imposing itself on Europe, the disastrous involvement in the middle east that continues today. the funding of postmodernism by government officials, Hollywood promoting degenerate ideals across the world... it is all too many to name. It seems America is devoted to fight everything that is good and sacred for the sake of material profit of the few. Even visiting the country was surreal, as the country at large just seemed like one big factory. No trace of authentic human interaction, but only workers' cooperation.

>>17655108
We stayed out of the war until Germany and Japan declared war on us so I really don't think we can be blamed for what happened. I'm also not so sure an Axis victory wouldn't have yielded similar results in the long run or at least different problems. That may sound strange but back then most Americans were white nationalists Germany going down a similar path isn't a far-fetched as it sounds even if they lacked the philosophical foundation that contributed to our self-destruction. American democracy has almost always been far too influenced by the rich. Our greed is destroying us and now it's destroying the rest of the world too. Hopefully if America collapses within the next two or three decades the successor states will not embrace all the freedom and individualist bullshit. What do you think the future holds for America? Will we continue our descent into further depravity or break up and live on in the form of some new country like an American equivalent to what Russia is for the USSR? Also, have you read any Alain de Benoist? I think you'd like him if you haven't.

>>17655126
I do not think America will collapse anytime soon. It will only straighten itself by the material gain, using machines if humans are deemed as not sufficient. Holding progress as a front, using pleasure as a lure, it will not stop until it Americanizes all parts of the world, thereby destroying all art, all culture, all that is sacred and authentic among humans. You may rightly call me a schizo, but the only thing that keeps me sane is the end of times battle, promised by many major religions. Once all hope is lost and depravity is at its height, an army will appear, which I hope we may be fortunate enough to join, which will set the world straight.

>>17654949
Its crazy to think that was the case 150 years ago at all. Because it wasnt.

>>17655011
>I got to where I am ideologically
As if ideology is some sort of intellectual or moral progression. Shameful to be honest.
Maybe you should just drop politics entirely and just study the Bible. Youd be less confused.

>>17655170
I would not call you a schizo at all. I share your fear. I hope that it does not happen but I absolutely do think it is possible and I spend way too much time worrying about it. America could potentially bring about something resembling the world state in Brave New World. Everyone will be sedated through entertainment, drugs, and porn. I do not believe it is inevitable though. If enough of us have large enough families and provide our children with the tools to resist their poison, we can eventually have the numbers to destroy the dystopia. Tribalism and a preference for tradition are partially genetic and more traditionalistic people already have more children. The childfree bugmen will be replaced by us. Our greatest weapon is the womb.

>>17655201
What are you talking about? 150 years ago was 1871. Most people in the USA were Christian and white ethnonationalists. In fact, you could say this about just 100 or even 75 years ago. In 1958, only 5% of Americans supported interracial marriage and we had an immigration system in place that was designed to preserve the nordic character of the nation.

>>17655213
Beliefs do change over time as you learn more about the world. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

>>17655214
As someone looking from the outside, the US already very much resembles the BNW, to the point of no return. Of course there is always a hope, but for what you proposed to happen, you will need women volunteering to mother such families. As western women seem most susceptible to be tricked by liberalism, I doubt many such families will appear to make a large scale impact. Nevertheless, it is still an admirable though difficult goal for men to start such families, and perhaps small isolated communities. I myself also share the aspirations.

>>17655264
Many women adopt the beliefs of their husband, especially if he's a high quality man. I don't think getting women on board will be a problem so long as the men are good. Get a good job, work out, dress well, learn skills. It's not easy but it's doable. Where are you from by the way? Is your country doing better?

>>17650793
Philosophy discussions like this go on >>>/his/

>>17655274
I am Iranian. I would not say we are doing better. We have our own problems but we do not have some of yours. On the one hand, I am pleased that religious thinking is still prevalent (though increasingly less so), and we do not have the derivatives of liberalism such as feminism and gay and transgender rights and the like to worry about. On the other, degenerate ideals are creeping over via western media, the imposed sanctions prevent young people to start families, and even established families are struggling to keep up financially. All because the Jewish-American world order sees a religious government a hindrance to their plans for the world.

>>17650793
Does physicalist-leaning neutral monism/panqualityism count as "physicalism" for these purposes?

>>17652775
>get horny over image of girl
>look her up
>get what you want
>wtf broes, we live in a society, how could this have happend???

>>17655323
I wasn't expecting that at all. I thought you would be a European. This must be how liberals feel when they talk to Black people because now I feel the urge to apologize to you for everything America has done and continues to do to Iran. I'm extremely opposed to any kind of war with your country and really admire the achievements of Persians. I have a soft spot for the Kurds too. I don't know very much about the other ethnic groups in Iran though.

>>17655341
Thank you for the kind words and sentiment. No need to apologize at all, I view American people also as victims of their government and financial elite.

>>17655331
I'm not the anon you're responding to but I've experienced something similar. I wanted to just see pretty pictures of the actress, not her doing anything slutty. If she's being slutty, that's bad. If it's just a picture of her being cute, that's good.