/lit/ - Literature

>be Nietzsche
>be so much of an empath that you lose your mind permanently because someone whipped a horse
I don't like to use the word "cope", but that is all of Nietzsche's philosophy.

Sounds like you're an arrogant prick. There's nothing all that special about that, no matter how you choose to gussy it up

>>17662673
>ahah le epic ad hom xD habe redit glod xD

Kys

>>17662677
Maybe so, but I don't see why I should change now

>"Interested in ethics"
>Is a cunt
Every time

>>17662664
I think u are confused about Nietzsche

>>17662681
It's not like Nietzsche uses a lot of argumentation. Ad hominem is all of his "counter arguments".

>>17662707
I'm pretty sure I'm not, the last chapter of BG&E pretty much confirms everything I think. And Zarathustra altough has a different style in reasoning (as the former is more Nietzsche's personal opinion) still advocates for this

>>17662685
Let me share my perspective then. A little background, I'm a veteran. Graduated infantry training in 06, deployed to Iraq that same year and then again to Afghanistan in 09. I'm not asking you to suck my dick over it or to invoke any of the hero-worship garbage I find so distasteful. I'm saying this because I know intimately what it means to truly fucking suffer. I have a toughness to me which is characterized by the ability to endure the unendurable. So when I say that arrogance is weakness, I don't type that with the soft hands of a teenage NEET. Arrogance is not your will triumphing over others' reality—it's a refusal to incorporate them. It's a refusal to be challenged in your beliefs by others. Strength is looking into the void of the Other willingly and having the ability to pluck valuables out of it without losing yourself in the process.

>>17662664
Go watch documentaries on gorillas, that should help you.

>>17662664
I thought it is evil not weak

Nietzsche's insanity was a result of his repressed homosexuality. There was some book on the subject of his homosexuality, published in German, which really triggered Nietzsche scholars for some reason. Nietzsche is loved by homo reactionaries like Foucault, Greg Johnson, BAP etc. Nietzsche's favourite work was Plato's Symposium which goes to great lengths extolling the virtues of boy-fucking.

>>17662723
no offense anon, but you sound kind of dumb....

>>17662755
Ok. And?

>>17662766
Probably because I'm (at least) two standard deviations in IQ above you, unironically.

>>17662778
You are arrogant now sir

>>17662781
Claiming one's IQ is somewhere north of 100 can hardly be considered arrogance.

>>17662723
>Arrogance is not your will triumphing over others' reality—it's a refusal to incorporate them. It's a refusal to be challenged in your beliefs by others. Strength is looking into the void of the Other willingly and having the ability to pluck valuables out of it without losing yourself in the process.

Okay good point, I mean I do think like that in a way, I have more distaste for people who shame others for being tough than weak people themselves, because I've suffered so much in my life and think lack of endurance really comes from lack of pain, I love life especially because of the suffering that made me who I am today

>>17662673
Every piece of philosophy is, in some way, a cope. Name one philosopher who’s ideas weren’t a cope in some form

>>17662664
Take a big black cock up your ass

>>17662664
>ethical philosophers
>Spinoza
What did he mean by this?

>>17662785
>I love life especially because of the suffering that made me who I am today
This is the normiest thing I've read in a while. You really need to go back.

>>17662755
>reactionaries like Foucault
What.

>>17662664
you misunderstood nietzsche

>>17662794
>stoicism is normie now
Good. This world needs more of it.

>>17662710
Lol. KANT DID NOT REALIZE BECAUSE HE IS A DUMB FUCK and the reasoning I have is so beyond that SILLY FAGGOT SCHOPPENHAUER who was quite close to the answer but STILL BLIND.

I like how he uses all caps as an insult to previous philosophers all the time.

>>17662794
>trapped in aesthectics

ngmi

>>17662784
If you had scored higher on your asvab you wouldn't have been in iraq anon. You can't claim high iq and be deployed.

>>17662812
>KANT DID NOT REALIZE BECAUSE HE IS A DUMB FUCK

Holy based...

>>17662820
I know 99 asvabs and people with degrees that went infantry. You obviously never served (in any way that's relevant). Shut the fuck up.

>>17662785
Here's the big question: if you're tough, are you tough because of something inherent or because your experiences have created that toughness? I have strong opinions on this because I was soft at fuck before I deployed. My experiences in country literally shaped me into a person who could endure. Without these experiences, I am confident that I would have never developed anything near that capacity. This came about from a choice I made that others didn't, and I can't blame them for it any more than I can blame myself for my own specific set of circumstances (preconditions from the immutable past) which drove me into the army. This is why I can value certain traits in myself and simultaneously forgive entirely their absence in others (on a good day, at least).

When I look at a person, I do my best to look at them not as these pure, isolated monoliths of free will, but as aggregates of their life experiences who have the QUALITY of free will.

>>17662824
That's called stupid anon.

>>17662827
Whatever you say, chump. Move some more goalposts while you're at it.

>>17662824
>be able enough to be a pog
>still go play infantryman
But why? Even if you just want to kill people there are better ways.

>>17662820
Sometimes people don't fit neatly into little boxes, anon. When I was in, infantry had the third highest average ASVAB scores in the army. This average, of course, incorporates as well the scores of the legions of genuine retards you're surprised can tie their shoes in the morning. Some of the brightest people I've ever met were in the infantry. ALL of the stupidest as well, but some of the brightest.

>>17662664
Keep in mind that Nietzsche was a mentally ill, bedridden weakling. That's not to say he doesn't have a lot of worthwhile things to say, but I wouldn't take his word on what constitutes weakness.

>>17662825
I guess I always was inherently tough since my childhood but this was obviously exacerbated because of my experiences, maybe its because I never seen the other side that results in my lack of empathy, I always see it as something alien
Regardless, I think you and I can agree that this way of life is better on all fronts, we can disagree when it comes to persuading people that this really is better, so thats an instance where I can learn and try to improve my understanding

>>17662836
Some people enjoy that lifestyle. What's wrong with that?

>>17662835
The military is an indentured mercenary class that is the smartest way out of abject poverty. Anyone doing it for any other reason is either stupid or philosophically foolish. Cash your checks, enjoy free healthcare and college.

>>17662853
Although irrelevant to the conversation at hand, you're not wrong. Good job.

>>17662850
Do what thou willt, I don't care, it's just that I don't understand why you'd want to put yourself in danger and make yourself less useful than you could be?

>>17662723
Strength is doing what needs to be done; doing the job at all costs.

>>17662865
kek

>>17662863
What if I don't want to be useful in any other capacity? I'm under no obligation to do anything but pay my taxes and avoid breaking the law.

>>17662863
Read Junger.

What sort of smooth brained, limp dicked idiot asks this sort of question? There's no "now what," you've read nietzsche, his ideas stand and fall on their own merit, why would you ask anyone to tell you what to believe, or how to behave? You read philosophy to know just that you fucking retard.
I swear people on this board read philosophy the way they play video games. "I've read this philosopher, should I really believe what he said? Would it be cool to do so? surely he must've been bitter about one thing or another right? What he said is not objectively true, right?” Like just fuck off. No one here takes anything seriously, not because they're big brained skeptics, but because their brains were fried by years of /pol/ conspiracy mongering. Fuck you.

>>17662870
I'm not even saying it's wrong. I'm saying I don't understand the motivation.

>>17662874
Nigger
>>17662865
Based

>>17662778
lmao, for a few seconds I actually entertained believing that you were a vet, thank you for reminding me not to trust people's credentials on the internet

>>17662878
If I told you I had any greater insight into my motivations than you do, I'd be lying. I'm in control of my actions but not my natural inclinations and desires. I see no reason in this case to invoke the dissonance I feel when I'm on the "wrong path."

>>17662885
Sorry to burst your bubble, sweaty. I'm precisely who I say I am.

>>17662894
Basado

>>17662664
>>>Reinforce my long term belief that sympathetic people really are just some weak ass niggas corrupting people
why do omega males keep thinking this? why do omega males are addicted to power fantasies were they kill men and give sex to women for free?

>>17662723
>soft hands of a teenage NEET.
You don't know suffering. You've caused it on the enemies of the baby torture tribe, but you yourself? Hah.

>read this thread
>reinforce my longterm belief that people who read philosophy are fags
>can no longer see OP as a person or even remotely human unless I have some certainty they’ve never sucked on or been penetrated by cock or rode a manbutt.

In all honesty though I hope you go down the no sympathy route seeing as it worked out so well for Fred.

>>17662894
>it even has the retarded wrong sided US flag because muh don't retreat
This detail will never not be funny to me.

>>17662664
What do you want? Us to feel sympathy for you? Kekw

>>17662904
have sex

>>17662906
Weak effort.

>>17662755
>homo reactionaries like Foucault, Greg Johnson, BAP etc.
kek

>>17662755
Symposium is a great work whether you're a homo or not though

>>17662929
He probably does. That’s probably why he doesn’t understand that mindset.

>>17662664
I think it's stronger to be empathetic in a shitty world, especially when they never lose their empathy. We need more caring people in this world and less of you. You provide nothing and suck up all of the kindness of others like a parasitic creature

>>17663171
>You provide nothing and suck up all of the kindness of others like a parasitic creature

No, we provide actual kindness instead of the parasitic self-pity because we actually want people to become better

>>17663179
I am talking about OP, who isn't empathetic.

>>17662789
dr dre

>>17662664
What exactly did the Nietzsche man say to the effect that sympathy is bad?

>>17662681
Nietzsche is cancer

>>17662755
Based

>>17662838
First of all they chose the army anon.

>>17662894
So cringe you think that makes you though

>>17662894
based ZOGbot....... I kneel

>>17663357
It doesn't. My experiences while deployed do.

>>17662664
>Misunderstand Nietzsche
>Get rekt

Why is it always Army guys flexing their Pokemon gym badges and shit.

>>17663425
Honestly? It's hard to get that overarching sense of hierarchy out of your head once it's worked its way in. There's also a lot of genuine pride in what you've done in combat troops—maybe not who or what you've done it for, but pride that you've done it. The military is a kind of parallel society and it doesn't share many values with the civilian world, which breeds a sense of otherness. Since it's actually really difficult to cultivate a neutral mindset which accounts dispassionately and fairly for this otherness, most guys feel like they are a good other or a bad other.

Hey, you asked.

>>17663449
Actually makes sense, thanks anon.

>>17663449
It’s also because most of these guys are total moronic autists that want nothing more than to be a part of a group and to be liked by others.

>>17662664
>I have a deep fucking desire to stand my beliefs in no sympathy for weak people and obliterate anyone I see who thinks otherwise
Psshh... nothing personnel... kid

>Eh sympathetic people are just weak and they are just faking it! Me on the other hand, a person who laughs at other people suffering and enjoys watching people lives be destroyed...I am the only genuine person on the planet! This weirdo from a century ago agrees with me so it must be the truth!

>>17662664
>perhaps something else will change my perspective
nope, you've taken the redpill

>>17662664
You must learn compassion.

Your own rejection of sensitivity in others is the result of an original insecurity. You must mature, anon.

>>17663449
Based

>>17663388
bro you are uber hardcore, we get it.

>>17663654
comfortable NEET insulting someone who was at the risk of getting a bullet in his skull. I admire your tenacity but you´re still extremely cringe

>>17663690
The nice thing about the military is that you can pretty much always say in the face of any subsequent criticism that you've been insulted more effectively by better men under far more strenuous circumstances.

>>17662664
>weak ass niggas
>I was already pretty insensitive towards weak people
lel. also you would cower like a bug in front of anyone with real power threatening you

>>17663710
cope

>>17663727
go mouth off to a mafia boss or whatever big man

>>17663753
You´re one of those sophists who ups the bar endlessly to refute points

>>17663690
if you're so smart how did you end up at risk of getting a bullet in his skull?

>>17663690
cringe

>>17663764
I´m not the soldier nigga

>>17663768
>>17663764
imagine samefagging to further prove your point

>>17663759
>it's sophism to make your argument look retarded by enlarging it from its restricted context
You just don't like being reminded you are actually one of the weak people

>>17663772
you're not hard

>>17663690
You literally are subhuman garbage dude. You’re an enlisted infantryman. You have no tabs. Couldn’t even get his airborne tab let alone his ranger tab. You are nothing. You probably worked security on base during your deployment. Faggot.

>>17663787
Okay mister black or white. Suck a nigger cock

>>17663791
Nice inspect element

>>17663794
retard>>17663769

>>17662673
>implying it was empathy towards the horse and not Nietzsche getting annoyed at the ignorant owner whipping the animal
>implying it even happened anyway (the story has no credible source)
Also, he lost his mind because of a hereditary neurodegenerative condition that his father also had.

>>17663802
embarrassing. take your pills sweaty.

Why does neetch only appeal to teenage incels?

>>17663820
teenage incels don´t like Nietzsche, they suck Marx´s cock

>>17663820
He validates their hate toward the world and the people who are better than them

>>17663841
Ah yes, the Nietzsche who claims inumerable times to forgo all resentment validates resentment. Bravo anon

>>17663841
14 year old fingers typed this post

>>17662664
>and obliterate anyone I see who thinks otherwise
This made me crack up. It's so dramatic. I love the energy.

>>17663425
>Why is it always Army guys flexing their Pokemon gym badges and shit.
lmao, that's a great way of putting it

>>17663425
It's their entire identity.

>>17662718
investigate nietzsche scholarship particularly secondary sources

>>17663841
>t. hasn't read Kneechee

>>17663900
I don´t mind the occasional endyness

>>17662723
stop trying to do the navy seals copypasta

>>17663927
>you must read someone to see his effect on people

>>17662664
I have sympathy for you because you did not choose to be weak, it's simply the sum total of your experience that led you to be lacking in empathy.

>>17663941
Kneechee rants at length about how much he hates the culture of ressentiment. For you to say that he encourages this in his readers makes absolutely no sense. It is a complete inversion of everything he advocates.

>>17663482
This and the absurd deification of our mercenary class. If you join the military and don't go chair force or navy and get some transferrable skills while you're in you dun goofed. At the least get an mp job in another country and take the opportunity to learn that language. Being infantry and risking death for Dick Cheney and Israel is fucking asinine.

>>17663493
>>17663490
I think he means the faux sympathy of having a soup kitchen in your head yet never doing anything beneficial or kind in real life besides being scammed into the 'do you want to donate to x' at the whole foods.

Every time I try visiting this board again I'm reminded of how garbage neo-/lit/ is. People used to actually debate Nietzschean ideas circa 2013 instead of this colossally stupid shit we get now.

>>17663949
And yet here we are, in a thread full of people who follow his teachings but are full of hate and resentment. Starting from OP who claims that Nietzsche validated and gave him more reasons to resent "weak" people.

>>17663972
Please stop. Your reasoning makes as much sense as saying firefighters encourage arson.

>>17663972
You lack basic reading comprehension, as I could've guessed with your original interpretation of Neetch

>>17663850
>noooo not those bad christians ruling the world
>noooooo not socrates challenging degeneracy
>noooooooooo not a new world power you can't do that that's evil
Yes?

Honestly the people who come in here trying to "refute" Nietzsche with "clever" arguments come across so much worse than Nietzsche himself. If you really think he's a pathetic loser then you wouldn't even deign to speak of him.

The people posting about repressed homosexuality, horses etc just reek of repressed virgins unleashing their intelligence anger to pretend they're above Nietzsche in some way, but in their pathetic rage reveal just how far beneath him they really are.

>>17663977
>>17663979
He's right. And you faggots are the worst posters on the board.

>>17663986
No he's not

>>17663820
It's the opposite dude. It's the incels who hate Nietzsche so much they shitpost in every Nietzsche thread into oblivion.

Only a person who's ugly, talentless, dumb, unathletic, and cringey would deny some people are just better than others.

>>17662664

Only leftists hate Nietzsche. To attack Nietzsche means to attack the concept that some people are better than others in certain ways.

>>17663981
Seriously, the bullying against Nietzschean members of this community is getting way out of hand, especially since Nietzscheans are some of the biggest contributors, have the greatest will to power, and are the most involved in this board. Its not just "memes" or "banter", its vicious attacking, and regardless of intentions it does demean people and hurt feelings. I can't say I'm the only Nietzschean who finds it hard to take pride in his own Ubermensch after having years of constant and needless attacks defaming my power from insecure losers here. Why not bully Christians or Platonists? Do they not have much more to be ashamed of than our philosophy zur Macht? Kantians and analytics get bullied less than us and yet we are the most powerful philosophers in the world.

Like when its not just banter, when a meme is repeated over and over again, repeated systematically, it eventually becomes a truth irregardless of the intentions in repeating it. And that isn't just jokes any more then, then its harmful!

Would you call a Nietzschean a "postmodernist" (not true at all) to his face? Would you say to a kind, peaceful and dionysian gay scientist that they are "weaker" than German men? Would you say those words to your fellow nihilist brethren? Are you starting to feel ashamed now? You fucking LAST MEN?

Your destroying philosophy, your dividing power against itself, your doing the opposite of what you claim to support when you engage in this incredibly abhorrent behaviour. So I encourage you to stop now.

>>17663994
Cope, bro. Fedorafags and incels are the ones slobbering on Nietzsche's cock.

>>17663941
>>17663980
>>17664011
>>17664027
t.

>>17663980
>What is the difference between good and evil vs good and bad
>NOOOOO you cant have any sort of value difference!!

Jesus, 1st grade type arguments, kys

>>17663994
>muh hierarchy
Literally no one denies that. It's a complete banality. Fucking Jordan Peterson sold it as a commodity.

>>17664011
> words to your fellow nihilist brethren

> Nietszche
> Nihilism

>>17663981
Post one good Nietzsche thread.
Pro tip: you can't.

>>17664027
Yikes dude, take off the fedora before a girl sees it

>>17664011
legendary pasta

>NOOO PLEASE DON'T ATTACK NIETZSCHE AND US! WE ARE WEAK SHOW US SOME SYMPATHY AND COMPASSION PLEASE!!

>>17664049
They all get ruined by the anti-Nietzsche shitposters. Nobody actually cares what they think but they make up 2/3rds of the posts in any thread.

It's embarrassing, like watching bonobos try to scream louder for attention but literally nobody on planet earth cares about your opinions on anything, nonetheless your incel rage about Nietzsche.

>>17664061
Who are you quoting, nigger?

>>17664061
cringe

Ignore the anti-neitzche posts. All these people are trying to be edgy.

>>17663980
>>17664027
>>17664028
>>17664038
>>17664051
>>17664061
>>17664080
>The Americas wake up
>Quality of posts immediately and dramatically drops

>>17662664
>I don't hate the people I'm mean to, I just don't see the value in trying to prolong their state of mediocrity.
Do your actions or philosophy actually accomplish this? Sounds like you care far more about being a servant to your imagination than anything outside yourself.

>>17664403
Reddit might be more your speed.

>>17664441
>4chan is for shitposting

>>17664403
>enter garbage thread made during European morning hours
>blame Americans for it

>>17662664
>I got completely shunned all the fucking time for lacking empathy and being too mean.

Seems like you are hunting for a reasoning to call the people who ostracize you weak. The Ubermensch would have a giggle over their presumption and then go on about his day unphased. The Master is not tormented by sympathies of the slaves.

>>17664467
Dilate

>>17663810
>because of a hereditary neurodegenerative condition that his father also had.
you mean "the gay"??

>>17663981
Its just the plebs trying to bring down a great man. No doubt we will see some book burnings and vandalism against Nietzsche related objects before this century is over. The lower man will do whatever he can to maintain his position of power. Screencap this because I expect so see a Nietzsche scholar stabbed in daylight by a Christian, Muslim, Socialist or whatever this very decade.

>>17664403
Man this is painfully accurate for all boards.

>>17663981
Honestly the people who come in here trying to "refute" OP with "clever" arguments come across so much worse than OP himself. If you really think he's a pathetic loser then you wouldn't even deign to speak of him.

The people posting about repressed virginity, shitposts etc just reek of repressed faggots unleashing their intelligence anger to pretend they're above OP in some way, but in their pathetic rage reveal just how far beneath him they really are.

>>17663802
damn bro you got BTFO'd in your own thread

>>17663820
A lot of them have this idea that they're special and Nietzsche validates that for them

Imagine seething so much at people because they are not as jaded as you are that you feel the need to build a philosophy where people that act in a normal social way are considered weak and should be harassed.

>>17665129
Coming to 4chins for anything but shitposting
NGMI

>>17662673
>>17662789
what's a cope?

>>17662664

Fuck Nietzsche

I still cannot believe I paid money to go to university to for English Lit. so I could waste my fucking time reading that incel loser for a year. I understand why I was captivated by his writings as a 20-something mommas boy but goddamn you would think older, wiser people would stop us young kids from reading that trash.

I, honest to God, don't understand how in the everloving fuck this guy is so highly regarded by English Professors but they won't allow you to talk about Elliot Rodger.

Nietzsche Biography:
>Sheltered by Mother/Sisters
>dreams of being a Prussian Cav Officer (aka A Chad)
>Can't rIde from fucked up leg from horse fall
>Had shit health anyway, no military would accept him.
>Buys a prostitute to lose virginity LOOOL
>Catches Syphilis from said prostitute LMAOOOOO
>Proposes to oneitis, gets denied OUCH
>his best friend and his oneitis start fucking
>pic related

Look at this man pulling the cart while his oneitis has a whip in her hand, meanwhile his CHAD friend is standing right there in front of both of them. All the while Nietszche knows they fucking but he poses for the picture anyway. Concentrated cringe.

I'm so sorry OP. The "Great Literary Canon" of "Western Civilization" is 500 years of cucks, incels and soft ass beta males who don't fuck, fight or kill.

>>17662664
"there are levels to this
you and i know
bitch sit down,
be humble.
sit down,
be humble"

>>17665607
this, niggas had zero bitches and zero clout

>>17665615
Based Kendrickposter

>>17662664
I now recognize I have the exact same problem
No general advice other than get married before she finds out

>>17662894
Condolences with your shitty career choice

>>17662894
you're a hero, anon
now an hero yourself moron

What's the necessary, bare minimum philosophical background for Neechee? Are Plato and Aristotle enough?

>>17665607
Kek based.

>>17665749
r/atheism and 2000s goth livejournal.

>>17665749
hard mode: kant
ez mode: schopenhauer
yolo mode: no background (he's not really hard)

>>17664011
>>17663980
lmao

>>17665887
What are the essential reads from Kant and Schopenhauer? I know the Critique of Pure Reason from the former but apparently it's really fucking hard and I'm not that smart

>>17664067
>the anti-nietzsche posters have too much power we can't make a single good thread or even post
Nice cope.

>>17665905
Schopenhauer's The World as Will and Representation
Give it a try. If it's too hard, just read Nietzsche and you'll still get something out of it.

>>17662664
>I just don't see the value in trying to prolong their state of mediocrity.
You arrogant fuck
Why is it not possible help them in a way you enable them to grow?

>>17665917
Thanks friend

Nietzsche is criticizing empathy that is only put up for pretense. Zarathustra is a deeply empathetic figure who sees the potential greatness in man and wants us to realize it by overcoming weakness instead of wallowing in it. I don't agree with Nietzsche but I think he fixes Schopenhauer's philosophy.

>>17665607
>I'm so sorry OP. The "Great Literary Canon" of "Western Civilization" is 500 years of cucks, incels and soft ass beta males who don't fuck, fight or kill.
very Nietzschean

>>17666002
>very Nietzschean
Yeah that's what he said retard