/lit/ - Literature

>>17752046
don't worry you'd still be shit in either of them

>>17752046
You’ll manage, both Schopenhauer and Nietzsche held the same belief and were primarily writers. Maybe take up music as a side hobby like they did.

>>17752046
You aren't special and you would still be in obscurity in either of those position.

>think writing is the highest form of art
>decided to take up painting
I AIN'T GONNA MAKE IT

Poetry is as high an art form as music. So just write poetry.

>>17752046
I think film is since it incorporates most other forms of art within it.

>>17752046
>I have chosen to be an author
If you think you had any choice in the matter, you aren't going to be an author worth a damn.

>>17752046
If you have a marked preference for the aural over the pictorial, you could try your hand at writing lyrics or impassioned prose—or prose poetry, as the latter is usually called. Conversely, you could follow the example of Carl Bellman and combine musical and literary endeavours. Fare thee well, anonymous.

Try writing Opera. I'm watching the Ring Cycle rn (the centenary production is on PB) and am feeling pretty cultured

>>17752046
You don’t.

>>17752135
So do video games. Video games can even include film.

>>17752498
videogames are the highest potential form of art. it's just an underdeveloped medium

>>17752458
Forget >>17752135 and >>17752498 . The highest form of art isn't video games or film, it's opera. Since opera necessarily includes all the other forms of art: poetry, artwork, sculpture, singing, music, storytelling, dancing, and more.

>>17752046
It's not the highest form of art, that's just whacky.

>inb4 muh Schopenhauer

They're all different and work to different ends.

>>17752514
No anon, only Wagner's Gesamtkunstwerk is the highest form of art, most operas (even the best of them like Don Giovanni) can maybe just rank with the great plays of history, just with most of the expression coming out of the music. Most operas should be classified as a more purely musical art, though they can also be a dramatic/theatre art.

Wagner is an exception and is the result of countless strands of human history and art (far beyond just opera).

>>17752099
Imagine writing for other people

Simple, you realize that art doesn't exist on an objectively measurable scale of quality and meaning and accept that there's no such thing as forms of art that are higher than others, only forms of art that you like and forms that you don't. t. Musician

>>17752506
one day we won't be able to tell film and video game apart, and that day I probably sell my library for a nickel

>>17752046
We don't care.

>>17752638
You're right that you can't say one form of art is the greatest, but what I assume to be your subjective solution to it is the furthest thing possible from a real appreciation of art.

>>17752046
Say no more my brother.
Just read pic related. Sextus BTFO'd music almost 2 thousand years ago.

>>17752532
cope

>>17752890
>“A direct relation to morality has not as yet been generally ascribed to music. In fact music has even been judged as morally harmless. But that is just not so. Could an effeminate and frivolous taste remain without influence on a man’s morality? Both go hand in hand and act reciprocally upon each other. We could refer back to the Spartans, who forbade a certain type of music as injurious to morals. But instead, let us just think back to our own immediate past. With tolerable certainty we can state that those who have been inspired by Beethoven’s music have been more active and energetic citizens-of-state than those bewitched by Rossini, Bellini, and Donizetti, a class consisting for the most part of rich and lordly do-nothings.”
-- From the article “A National Theater” by Wagner

write poetry
make music
combine both and rap like my black frend

>>17752945
I love Wagner flaming Italian musicians. He called Vivaldi a hurdy-gurdy player.

>>17752945
>>17752980
Filtered

>>17753446
Seethe, young Italian, seethe. Let the hate flow through you.

>>17753446
You don't understand music like Wagner did. Accuse him of bad taste in this particular case and be done with it.

>>17752873
What makes any appreciation of art worth more than any other? Surely all that matters is that someone enjoys it and its not really hurting people?

>>17753893
>Surely all that matters is that someone enjoys it and its not really hurting people?
Maybe so, but we're talking about what makes art here.

>>17753962
What, you mean what art is defined as? I am confuse

>>17752530
Are you the guy who's been posting the Parsifal threads? I actually read Parsifal on your suggestion and I'm wondering why everybody says it's a dialogue between East and West. All I recall that was Buddhistesque was one line Gurnemanz says where he suggests Kundry lived past lives.

>>17753978
Yes, and I'm saying the traditional objective/subjective just will not do, especially that the subjective route is just lazy thinking.

>>17752945
>In fact music has even been judged as morally harmless. But that is just not so. Could an effeminate and frivolous taste remain without influence on a man’s morality?
Indeed. This is precisely why Nietzsche cut his ties to Wagner.

>>17752046
>>Music is the highest form of art
>peaked with Bach and progressively became utter shit
>even Bach loses all its magic when you learn music theory
Meme artform

>>17754098
>>even Bach loses all its magic when you learn music theory
You literally can't understand Bach if you don't know basic music theory like counterpoint.

>>17752890
Holy based

>>17754101
You can enjoy Bach just fine without theory pseud
>MUH COUNTERPOINT
>just independent musical lines that sound good together
Wow literally impossible to understand!

>>17754126
>>just independent musical lines that sound good together
You are retarded and probably just thought Bach sounded "deep" b4hand.

>>17754149
>In music, counterpoint is the relationship between two or more musical lines (or voices) which are harmonically interdependent yet independent in rhythm and melodic contour.
Dilate

>>17752945
>a class consisting for the most part of rich and lordly
Even he admits italian music is patrician taste lmao.
Plebs seething.

>>17754153
Not what you said, nevertheless this shows you have at least an understanding of very basic theory.

Try understanding Bach if you're just used to listening to Beethoven and you have no idea what the word counterpoint means.

>>17754089
Yes he continued to listen to him in private and rate him as the greatest artist of the time.

Curious.

>>17752980
>He called Vivaldi a hurdy-gurdy player.
Lol, what does that even mean?

>>17754202
Cope.

>>17754217
that Vivaldi produces simplistic kitchy melodies suitable for barrel organs rather than orchestras. it's the 19th century equivalent of calling somebody a hack.

>>17752945
B-b-but I like Rossini.

>>17752046
Choose to be a musician

You’re all wrong. Anime is the highest form of art and yes, I am dead serious about that.

>>17754387
Anime isn't even art homie, it's literally a consumer product.

>>17754398
That's what they said about film too, just give it time

>>17754406
>implying film is art
Uhhh, anon, I... well... maybe I just haven't gotten the memo, I don't know...

>>17752046
By throwing out all your peepees and blowjacks

>>17754002
The influence of Buddhism is indeed overrated, an example of this is that his sketch for a Buddhist opera The Victors consisted of only a single page of material, while his material for the opera/play based on the life of Jesus, "Jesus von Zazareth" consisted of over 40. It is correct to say Parsifal is a Christian rather than Buddhist work, but the influence of Buddhism is more numerous than just the idea of metempsychosis.

A dialogue between East and West will be West for West and East for East, that is, Parsifal is still a Western work. It's a (more so than Schopenhauer even, whom it is also correct to say understood the East in a Western way, as every other Westerner who has taken from the East before and after him) making use of the East, but it is a dialogue because it uses these themes transfiguratively, and what it raises cannot be settled without a consideration of both East and West. This is all best seen in something like Christian suffering and sinfulness, but with the Buddhist prefiguring of a contented apotheosis in it.

>>17752046
By writing poetry. The eternal literary cope.

>>17752046
just don't think about it bro

>>17754242
>Famously, in his published writing Nietzsche sets up Bizet against Wagner, declares Carmen to be the greatest of all operas, and compares its music favourably with Wagner's in a certain amount of detail. But he does not believe this either. Privately, in a letter to a friend he writes: 'What I say about Bizet, you should not take seriously the way I am, Bizet does not matter at all to me. But as an ironic antithesis to Wagner, it has a strong effect' (27 December 1888). It does indeed, and has been quoted ever since. We begin to realise who, as between Nietzsche and Wagner, is the actor, the master of insincere effect. As for Wagner the man, although Nietzsche heaped almost incredible public abuse on his head ('Is Wagner a human being at all? Isn't he rather a sickness?' — this remark in The Wagner Case is representative of dozens such to be found in his writings) he never, in spite of himself, lost a vivid sense of Wagner's greatness. In the last year of his effective life he wrote to a friend: 'Wagner himself, as man, as animal, as God and artist, surpasses a thousand times the understanding and the incomprehension of our Germans' (26 February 1888).

You've already been btfo'd by Nietzsche himself. And he has countless letters like these as well.

Video games are the highest form of art.

>>17752046
Isn't poetry meant to be sung? Like the Illiad?

>>17756510
Lmao

>>17752046
>prosody
Put music in your words retard

wrong. Anime is the highest form of art.

>>17752110
F

music is just rhythm hypnotism at this point. polyphony is garbage. the medium that is the most easy to 'consume', the medium that has the highest appeal to the senses etc.

>>17752046
>How do I cope with this?
Suicide is always an option anon
This >>17752472

I think I have a similiar problem. I like writing but I sometimes feel like it's pointless in the modern world. I don't know anything about contemporary literature and I sometimes wonder if film and other modern media makes makes it outdated.

However, I might just be letting my self-loathing get the better of me. I have a little bit of natural ability for writing so I convince myself that it must be pointless or that people only become writers because they lack artistic or musical talent.

>>17752945
What citizen type is connected to Purcell?

>>17752890
>Arguments against the existence of sound

>>17753460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RowWMDbq-tE

>>17759002
A high and noble, upright Englishman.

>>17754242
Lmao get blasted.