/lit/ - Literature

Beyond help

>>17801210
super based

you're also beyond your bedtime, buckaroo. don't you have a pre-cal zoom class to attend bright and early tmw morning?

>>17801210
Bit of a wild choice for Lawful Neutral to be honest.

>>17801210
I only recognize nietsczhe. Who are the rest?

>>17801210
I know everyone besides top/middle

>a bunch of losers
Yep, appropriate

>>17801253
Top: Alfred North Whitehead, ?, Theodore Adorno
Middle: Ted Kaczynski, Nietzsche, Carl Schmitt
Bottom: Heinrich Himmler, Jean Baudrillard, Ludwig Klages.
OP is based. Great group. Get your knowledge/facial recognition up

>>17801264
>>17801283
It’s Georges Sorel

Also does this count as a recommendation thread?

>>17801210
You’re a meme. I’ll bet the mere mention of Hegel makes you sperg out. That’s because you’re a “vitalist” revolting against modernity. But in practice you’re no ubermensch, you epitomize the last man.

>>17801210
Unquantifiably based

>>17801318
t. triggered projecting material cuck

>>17801283
Sorel

>>17801210
>Schmitt
>Adorno
>Uncle Ted
Very based

>>17801210
why the fuck would you add in heinrich himmler

>>17801310
>>17801338
Thank you

>>17801334
I’m an idealist

>>17801349
he was forming a modern aristocracy based on occult, racial and aesthetic principles

>>17801210
can't wait to read your book

>>17801334
That chart is full of materialists tho

>>17801360
embarrassing

>>17801371
not really

>>17801210
Which one is the most based? Whose works should I read?

>>17801418
Niet, Adorno or Ted are the most fun.

>>17801210
Kaczynski makes every other choice there look retarded, even if they are not bad authors and I like some of them.

>>17801372
Everything we experience is mediated by our consciousness. If you can disprove this then let me know
>>17801386
No they’re all strict atheists except for Whitehead, Himmler, and Klages who had vague, pseudo new age understandings of spirituality.

>>17801512
Take the cogito and expand it from consciousness existing at all to consciousness being instantiated, you being an instantiation, "you" being relevant to the "instantiation", and that the illusion of "youness" "instantiation" and "choice" being actual.

>(You)
can't do it.

>>17801210
Replace uncle Ted with Ellul or Mumford.

>>17801531
Yeah I can post random babble too but that doesn’t make a good argument

>>17801364
yeah who wasn't? and yet it fails because these things are based on made up ahistorical nonsense.
Take the renaissance humanism pill for a legitimate tradition. Btw race isn't real

>>17801210
pathetic

>>17801575
The Renaissance humanism pill is occult tho, integral to it was the discovery of the hermetic texts

>>17801598
I know it is, and it stands in stark contrast from Scholasticism.. but I don't believe in perennialist revisionism

Recommend me one Philosopher, one Poet and one Novelist.

>>17801617
+

furthermore it doesn't dwell on what everyone's assumption about nature: that it's pure competition, when that's a mainly 19th century idea perpetuated by Darwinism. Evola was just a bootleg Nietzsche

>>17801210
from left to right descending;
>Ernst Junger
>Nikolai Fedorov
>Friedrich Junger (younger brother)
>Wendell Berry
>GK Chesterton
>Alfred Jarry
>Jacques Cousteau
>Edward Abbey
>Arne Naess

>>17801617
Are you Christian?
>>17801629
What are your thoughts on Hegel v deleuze?

>>17801679
No i'm pagan

>>17801686
Of what kind? What gods do you worship?

>>17801694
Whichever ones make for the coolest vaporware edits

>>17801679
Deleuze ultimately doesn’t overcome Hegel’s overall ontology. His materialist and immanent model still ultimately relies on unfolding through difference recognizing itself by differentiation, which is ultimately the actual dialectic and not a simplistic thesis antithesis, for by pouring out into the other, the relation allows further definition of the original. Add to this that Hegel’s key formula is that the Rational=actual, and you fundamentally cuck the problem of the virtual. We can more or less locate the Virtual as far back as Parmenides even due to the interrelations of the forms. Basically any major ontological break deleuze has came up with is more or less not enough to break Hegel overall or is ultimately just the same doctrine explained differently. I doubt deleuze would ever admit this, but There’s never been a serious challenge to the ontology of Hegel that actually fully critiques his method in science of logic.

>>17801694
You know, I really like that Apollo guy. Furthermore i'm a big fan of Dante's Inferno

>>17801716
Agreed

>>17801721
What’s your favorite hymn to apollo? (Also, paradiso>purgatorio>inferno)

>>17801713
kek

>>17801512
consciousness is determined by material reality

>>17801782
You access the material through consciousness, therefore consciousness is primary

>>17801799
you don't have to access it at all for it to detemine you

>>17801813
How can you prove it determines you if you don’t have access to it?

>>17801827
I don't need to, proving it determines you and yet you don't know it is enough kinda like studying an animal

>>17801845
If you can’t prove it then why would it be true?

>>17801588
Crinege

>>17801210
This is either totally incoherent as a belief system or you are cherrypicking decontextualised passages in order to fit an interpretation of the world that actually comes more from twitter personalities than from any literary tradition

>>17801210
HOLY BASED

>>17801629
How difficult do you think it is for someone interested in Hegel's metaphysics to dive into it without Kant, or at least a very general understanding of him, taking in mind that Platonism and Boehme are the most solid background for preparation. I'm interested precisely in that about Hegel: dialectics, duality within monism, idealism, theology.

>>17802142
Pretty hard since it isn’t just kant you’re missing but the work of schelling and Fichte (and Spinoza) On the other hand, through boehme you’ll understand him in broad strokes. I would suggest reading his lectures on Lectures on the Philosophy of History, and particularly see if you can understand his interpretation of boehme who he explicitly speaks of. In general it won’t be easy but if you really follow his train of thought and go slow enough, you should be able to get what he’s saying even in his most difficult books. Don’t be afraid of secondary material.

>>17801210
you aren't interesting

>>17801936
your first problem is reducing gnosis to a meager "belief system"
stick to the analytics, kid

>>17802168
Oh yes, I have read Spinoza but a really long time ago. Was thinking about reading Beiser for a more thorough context. But yeah, I'm likewise interested in his Philosophy of History and will consider reading it first before his other works.

>>17801512
>Klages who had vague, pseudo new age understandings of spirituality.
Der Geist als Widersacher der Seele

was himmler asian

>>17801210
No you aren't

>>17801575
Race is real, the death of race is the death of culture faggot

>>17802536
>Race is real
Prove it

>>17802584
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/329/

>>17802584
NIGGERS

>>17802584

>>17802536
“Culture” is as real as soap swirls in pool of water. Always changing

>>17801575
>race isn't real
lmao http://www.sci-news.com/genetics/west-africans-dna-archaic-hominin-08123.html

>>17801512
There's only two strict atheists there you retard

>>17801936
>your intellectual influences must all have uniform ideology

retard

>>17801210
did adorno have an eye condition? My eyes are like his, you can see the lower white of my right eye

>>17801629
What's your favorite quote by Rinzi?

>>17802779
Nah they’re all pretty atheistic. If they talk about God it’s in a neutered, philosophical sense. None of them were church-goers, Himmler and Klages might do some larpy ritual in the woods but that’s about it.

>>17802889
If you want to be no different from the buddhas and patriarchs, just don t seek outside yourself. A moment of your mind’s
pure light is the Dharmakaya Buddha inside your own house. A moment of your mind’s light without discrimination is the Sambhogakaya Buddha inside your own house. A moment of your mind’s light with no distinctions is the Nirmanakaya Buddha within your own house. These three buddha-bodies are the person here before you now listening to the Dharma. They have their functional abilities just because they do not seek externally.

>>17802908
Mine is
>Followers of the Way, only a great teacher dares to disparage the Buddhas and patriarchs, dares to criticize everything, to defy the Teachings of the Three Baskets, and abuse immature students, and so, whether straight or crooked, find the man within. For a dozen years I have been looking for one (who is suitable), but have not been able to find as much as a mustard seed. I am afraid those Zen teachers are rather like newlywed brides, uneasy and worried about being chased out of their homes and starving to death.Since olden times people have not believed the old masters, and only after they had been driven away did their greatness become known. He who is approved by everyone, what good is he? “The lion's roar shatters the brain of the jackal.

>>17802604
The concept of “race” was created by utilitarian anglos working off of Darwin. It was basically a tool of the British empire to justify its imperialism. Stuff like this is just propaganda: >>17802635 And remember, the British empire is the precursor to today’s global system. Eugenics is a thoroughly British globalist idea, but because Hitler adopted it it’s “based”. Granted, different peoples do have different domains they excel at and are deficient at but those differences are primarily explained by culture not biology.

>>17801883
Based for Preciado

>>17803004
>those differences are primarily explained by culture not biology
You're nuts.

>>17803103
Nope, raise some African born child in a white, progressive area and he’ll fit in fine. Human behavior is very malleable.

>>17801210
>Adorno

>>17803004
Take your meds

>>17803130
Take your pseudoscience back to Twitter subhuman

>>17803143
If you think I’m wrong then by all means correct me.
>>17803148
Don’t get me wrong I’m not an advocate of multiculturalism, cultures clash when jammed together and black people obviously commit more crime but this is largely because of complex historical reasons, not intrinsic biological attributes. The argument I’m making I think is best demonstrated in this example: If a child is never exposed to language when they are young they basically become permanently retarded. If that slim window in the child’s development is missed it is lost forever. This shows how much a person’s nature is dependent on their environment. For thousands of years humans were barely above the status of animals even though we possessed the same dna we do today. It was the emergence of culture that advanced our species, not genetics.

>>17803226
It's got nothing to do with culture, you're denying DNA and biology. There's no discussion to be had with indoctrinated retards like yourself. Go back to /x/

>>17803243
No thanks I’m gonna stay here but I think pol would be more your speed

>>17803275
>/lefypol/ tells others to go to /pol/

>>17803293
I’m not a leftist, I’m just not racist

>>17801575
found the woman

>>17803243
>>17803293
Phd in internet retardation. Using scientism only when convenient is malicious. Maybe you should go to other boards that aren't honest instead.
Take your dose of Astrazeneca and get eternally btfo'ed, m'Anglo.

>>17803148
This does nothing to distinguish between biological or socioeconomic factors

>>17803338
>>17803338
Yea this is exactly what’s tiresome with much of the online right, they rail against leftists and their cherry picked studies but then when it comes to race they flood you with a deluge of nonsensical statistics.

>>17803338
>Phd in internet retardation

filthy frank hasn't been a thing for years bro

>>17803140
Filtered

I am limitless, divine. I am any god I choose to become.

>>17804125
Literally who, literally who, Bowden, Evola, Hobbes, Nietzsche, Mao, Dugin, Hitler

>notice me! My favorite thinkers are totalitarians from all over the political spectrum! Notice me!

What are you, some edgy 14 year old?

>>17804188
What are you, some edgy 4chin poster?

>>17801210
Weak shit

>>17804188
>Doesn't know fucking Calvin

>>17804228
>Calvin instead of Hobbes
Even worse.
You're aware these thinkers completely contradict each other?

>>17804292
Not the guy who posted the image in question, but you didn't know who fucking Calvin is bro

>>17804219
>Heidegger
BTFO by Rosen

This thread just got dunked on

>>17801210
Nobody can compete

>>17804367
Based Sorelbro

>>17804303
Not a christian. Christianity is blasphemy and idolatry. It is an egalitarian, universalistic, pacifist religion that preaches to welcome foreigners, love one's enemy and to offer the other cheek. Modern liberalism is just secularized Christianity. Anybody who hasn't understood this at this point should off himself.

>>17804350
>>17804219
>>17804125
>>17801883
>>17801676
>>17801588
>>17801210
> OP picked 9 thinkers and 9 thinkers in one image look aesthetic, therefore I must pick exactly 9 thinkers too. It can't possibly be more or less.

Low IQ conformists spotted. NGMI.

>>17804383
Nigga I didn't fucking ask you're still a retard who doesn't know a major figure in the history of religious philosophy

>>17804383
Ok, now what about reading a book for once?

>>17804401
No I'm just a retard that doesn't know how to use an image editor so i use the premade template

>>17804404
(You)

>>17801210
Sorry, but none of them pass the physiognomy check.

>>17804410
I'm not very much into fiction, sorry anon.

>>17804414
I'm not a Christian faggot

>>17804424
I think it says a lot by your boorish mentality, you really should start reading more poetry for example for perhaps this brutish, concrete way of thinking, resembling a machine with the same operational mechanics, may be flexibilized. But also since you are into nonfiction I recommend reading Girard.

>>17804448
You're a cultural Christian for sure

>>17801936
Reading philosophy should not be about "agreeing" with thinkers. Instead "Use" thinkers, take their concepts and apply them to other thinkers and to your own ideas and perceptions.

>>17804219
>Heidegger
>Lacan
Both charlatan's who wrote word salad nonsense.

>>17804401
>two hicks from American Gothic are better than nine philosophers

step aside for the sovpill

>>17803293
not racist != lefty

>>17804769
whats sovpill

>>17804418
Cringe. Bap go back to your tranny bar.

>>17804505
I've been a part of a different religion my while life

>>17804505
I've been a part of a different religion my whole life

>>17804674
>I don't get the bad man's big words so he's a charlatan!
Let's see your chart then

>>17803130
>Minnesota transracial adoption study
Nope, no way geographic isolation for tens of thousands of years would result in biological differences beyond skin tone (because that's all race is, right?)

>>17803226
Culture and "complex historical reasons" shape "intrinsic biological attributes", you retard.

>>17804841
sovereign I'm guessing

>>17801512
>>17802907
Schmitt was a devout Catholic who regularly visited Church

>>17806267
>>17806282
You’re just claiming things without providing evidence
>>17806535
Untrue, he was a Catholic early in life but left the church.

>>17801210
How?

>>17804782
admitting race differences != racist
you're both dumb and pathetic

>>17804757
>>two hicks from American Gothic are better than nine philosophers
yes

>>17803331
I am above you. Keep ONLY reading books 4channel recommends you stupid faggot

>>17802536
>>17802746
>modern science
>trad

>>17801210
More like beyond schizo.
(Although Schmitt, Adorno, Whitehsad and Baudrillard are beyond based).

>>17801210
based

>>17804674
heidegger charlatan

cringepilled

>>17801883
the heck happens to Land wtf

>>17801210
May we now proclaim that time is nothing but a tool.

>>17801210
Why yes, I am a Goethean historical scientist.

>>17807143
Take out the middle larper and your chart is good

>>17801883
Gr8 b8 m8

Thread mogger incoming!

>>17806726
>Cage
>Lookism watermark
interesting. Didn't know lookfags browsed /lit/

>>17804383
>Called Calvin a literal who
>Attempts to combat his embarrassing endeavour in dismantling Anon's 3x3 by posting an evenly embarrassing take on Christianity

>>17806613
He was briefly excommunicated for his divorce and later remarriage with a serbian woman, but after WW2 his excommunication was rescinded and he fully returned to the Church. Nontheless, Catholicism plays the utmost role in his body of work.

>>17801588
Who is bottom center?

>>17801629
>Arne Naess
Looks like Linkola if he smiled

>>17810208
Ok fine I’ll give it to you since I don’t know all the details of Schmitt’s biography. He’s the one real non-materialist on op’s chart then

>>17804383
Simple take but also based.

>>17804769
This is based (indeed).

>>17804528
You're arguing with a scholastic, anon. Their brains are only capable of thinking in two dimensional dialectics, and are offended at anyone who goes outside their a priori square. I find that whenever I discuss ideas freely, without being "penned in" by these dialectical illusions, they show up with the exact same lines every time.

>>17803004
You are a retard that conflates one thing with another.
Just because a specific race is a social construct. For example the anglo-saxon or the german, that doesn't mean that the specific gene cluster that those labels we call races represent (or try to represent) are not real.

Under your interpretation colors don't exist.
Colors don't exist?
Well of course, in the visible spectre of colors the choice of when red become orange and orange becomes yellow is arbitraty, so the colors must not exist.
See what retarded your position is?

Of course races exist as clusters of genes with a "center of gravity" in some point of the cluster. That of course doesn't mean that individuals can't be in some point more closer to another genetic cluster. Between the anglo and the german must be all sort of individuals more close or distant.

Your retarded idea is just a retarded justification to allow feral africans in white western societies.

>>17801283
>Ludwig Klages
who is this retard desu

>>17810800
I don’t disagree with any of this, what I was focusing on in that post was the history of race as an idea and the implications of that history which most people are unaware of.

>>17801676
>Friedrich Junger
where can i read something from him? is it good

>>17810864
cunnypilled magician

>>17810911
Funny you should ask, his luddite essay "the failure of technology" was just republished by an anon on here. He, like his brother, is so steeped in the western canon it's crazy. They're equally intelligent, and friedrich's more ecological and poetic themes I think influence a lot of ernst's postwar work (which is my favorite). He also wrote an essay on Nietzsche, which was translated somewhere (and it was very good), other than those all of his works are in german.

>>17801676
>Alfred Jarry
Extremely based my 'patafriend, but wtf is Cousteau doing here?

>>17812091
He practically invented modern marine conservation and ecology, and rekindled global appreciation of the oceans. I'm also a professional diver, so he's my big inspiration. After inventing scuba, revolutionizing nature documentaries, and reinventing ecology, he's by far the most significant person on that list. You could learn more poetic ecophilosophy from one of his movies than you ever could from an academic article. Not to mention he pairs well with naess.

>>17812081
>the failure of technology
I have heard of this one - where can I read it? Funny the cover has a picture of the titanic, as I remember reading that Ernst Junger thought (as a kid) that the titanic would be a defining moment. A defining moment for his time or for the future perhaps(?) - this might mean the failure of technology etc.

>>17812668
https://derschattigewald.org/litforum/showthread.php?tid=43
support translatoranon out there, he's doing great work

>>17801210
genius, hack, good philosophy shit cultural crit
hack, hit or miss, boring
wacko, hack, don't know who that is

>>17801210
genius, hack, good philosophy shit cultural crit
hack, hit or miss, boring
wacko, hack, hack