/lit/ - Literature

>>17932955
>In other words, he says that it's *normal* to want to rape women
>his undeniable views that women *should* be dominated by men
Journalistic sophistry at work

>>17933129
I don't see the sophistry here

>>17933129

The two statements are not "x therefore y" but rather "if you combine x and y, the result is z".

>>17932955
if anything its other way around. dworkin was drifting right until other femknists bullied her out of it, was reading wn material at one point. hated blacks.

>>17933129
t. ESLfag

>>17933210
>>17933327
>>17933363
Here are the stages of argument in OP's pic:
>quotes Evola as saying that each coitus , which, on its own, could be a feminist statement, an indictment of nature, like the way Christians talk about the Fall, is descriptive, not prescriptive
>says that Evola is therefore saying it is "normal" to want to rape women, which, in conventional speech, is loaded with normative connotations, implies that the thing is good, or natural, prescribes it
(sidenote: an element of sadism in sex, or taking pleasure in domination, is presumably not morally equivalent to rape -- forced coitus -- otherwise all BDSM enthusiasts are rapists)
>ergo, he is JUSTIFYING rape (now the author has completely transformed Evola's descriptive statement into a prescriptive one, not so much through reasoned argument, but by several subtle linguistic sleights of hand)

>>17933210
t.sophist

>>17933394
*that each coitus contains an element of sadism

I'm Catholic and this reminds me of how some theologians in the Church theorize that almost every act of marital sex results in the commission of some venial sin.

>>17933394
>Here are the stages of argument in OP's pic:
>>quotes Evola as saying that each coitus , which, on its own, could be a feminist statement, an indictment of nature, like the way Christians talk about the Fall, is descriptive, not prescriptive
>>says that Evola is therefore saying it is "normal" to want to rape women, which, in conventional speech, is loaded with normative connotations, implies that the thing is good, or natural, prescribes it
>(sidenote: an element of sadism in sex, or taking pleasure in domination, is presumably not morally equivalent to rape -- forced coitus -- otherwise all BDSM enthusiasts are rapists)
>>ergo, he is JUSTIFYING rape (now the author has completely transformed Evola's descriptive statement into a prescriptive one, not so much through reasoned argument, but by several subtle linguistic sleights of hand)

>>17933394
Shut up nerd

>>17933495
>>17933502
Seething? I don't even like Evola

>>17932955

Feminism is nothing but misogyny. They only claim that the "patriarchy" is wrong because it does not go far enough, and I in turn only claim that they are wrong because they do not go far enough.

>>17933394
you convinced me

>>17933394
That's not a very good reconstruction of the argument, you left out the most important premise.
His argument seems to be something like this:
1. Evola thinks the desire to rape is a universal element of male psychology
2. Evola thinks that men should dominate women, even with the use of violence
Conclusion: One has to be blind to think that Evola does not justifie rape

The argument is invalid since the premises don't entail the conclusion. But we could modify it to form a valid inductive argument:
1. Evola thinks the desire to rape is a universal element of male psychology
2. Evola thinks that men are justified in dominating women, even with the use of violence
3. If one thinks that men are justified in dominating women, even violently, he probably thinks men are justified in forcing women to satisfy their desires
4. Forcing a woman to have sex against her will is rape (from the definition of the term)
Conclusion: Evola probably thinks that men are justified in raping women

>>17933862
Wanting to dominate women has nothing necessarily to do with wanting to do so against their desire. Women want to be dominated by men they desire.

>>17933394
If you were to be consistent with that you would defend rape

>>17933406
Go on

I got some groceries a while ago, saw a short woman with a juicy ass, God I'd love to grab it or bend her over.

I'm not sure if this is related to the thread but I like Evola.

>>17933507
cope

>>17933394
great post anon

>>17934690
Most men want to be dominated by women but are unable to do so since younger women are conditioned to feel afraid of men. Harem romance mangas always include one motherly female character and one tsundere, hence its proof of a man's desire to be sought after and sat on by milfs.

>>17932955
they're both right

>>17934734
t. woman or moron

>>17934897
It's you who's coping here mate

>>17934891
That's why I don't go out

>>17934690
Women hold all institutional power in first world countries, which means that men don't actually dominate them. Women allow men to "dominate" then