/lit/ - Literature

>>17933917
Im sigma male. You can stay in your hierarchy.

>>17933917
His point about hierarchy is dead on, as is his assessment of divinity as essentially the ultimate representation of will-to-power.

>>17933917
Wash your penis

>>17933917
Yes

>>17933928
Where did he say that?

>>17933951
Maps of Meaning - the book

>>17933917
definitely not. i'm very low in the "dominance hierarchy" and i've wanted to be higher my entire life.

i'm sure this applies to many of you guys

>>17933963
I genuinely do not care.

I have a tyrranical animus possesed mother, so no.

>>17933917
>that benzo stare

>>17934015
oh my

Everybody poops their pants at the end.

>>17934003
So your mom is masculine?

Live by the dominance heirarchy, die by the dominance heirarchy.

>>17934043
You're glowing.

I don't think in those terms

>>17934089
You had to in order to reach that conclusion though

>>17933963
I just want to be left alone.

Do you retards actually believe in the "dominance hierarchy" bullshit? Grow up.

>>17934507
Y-yes, chad.

>>17933922
Yikes to the max

>>17933963
Know your place.

>>17933917
>You're on a dominance hierarchy
>Rule #4. "Compare yourself with who you were yesterday, not with who someone else is today."
Well which one is it?

>>17934507
I'll prove the dominance hierarchy to you if you know what I mean, now get on your knees

>>17934507
I know right? What a bunch of weak faglings

>>17933917
I can't wait till humanity creates an AI that's at the top of the dominance hierarchy and then everyone who has spent their life obsessing over status become obsolete overnight.

>>17933963
Yep, I dislike my current positioning, which is why I spend the entirety of my days working and developing my repertoire of skills

>>17934032
truer words have not been spoken

>>17934507
I'm sorry I have nothing meaningful for my dominance hierarchy, neither some hero to imitate.

>>17933973
Same, but I may be coping

Dominance hierarchy is a Marxist scheme.
Competence hierarchy is the real thing.

Where you at /lit/?
>inb4 95% is gamma plus

>>17933917
im autistic. i literally dont give a shit. the thing is, if i was on top id still feel bad, because it would all still feel fake and everyone around me would still be so stupid i couldn't have a fulfilling conversation with ay of them

>>17934507
>>17934710
Denying reality doesn't make it go away. You sound like the fat women complaining about how evil patriarchal beauty standards need to be abolished.

>>17934874
Based on this chart >>17934842 I'm an alpha plus without even caring about all of this hierarchy shit. Labeling yourself as something instead of actually trying to improve definitely won't help you with climbing your so-called "male social hierarchy." Stop being so preoccupied with this imaginary shit and actually do something with yourself, I assure you it will pay off. Also, stop caring about whatever stupid shit Peterson says.

>>17933917
I never realized but there is a lot of homosexuality surrounding Peterson. Is it a gay fanbase?

>>17933922
FPBP

>>17934684
Why can’t it be both. Fucking retard

>>17933917
Who gives a shit what this guy thinks? He may be a decent psychologist in a clinical setting, and he is obviously verbally gifted. but he's also a drug addicted christian who raised a daughter who cheated on her husband and destroyed her own daughters family so she could live in romania and start a meat eating cult for int3rnet simps. if this is the standard for a public intellectual its no wonder why society is in the state it is.

>>17934874
Buddy, hierarchy is little more than some conservatard fantasy, in order to never have to change anything about society, even changes that are desperately needed, and when this is pointed out to types like Jordan Peterson, he shitpisses his pants out of the sheer level of trigger that this causes in his midwit brain, and goes on all sorts of bizarre mental gymnastics to defend never having to change society in even the most necessary of ways, pointing towards lobsters and trees, going muh gommunism, muh hitler, then ending that it’s too dangerous to believe in anything and we should clean our rooms. Fuck Jordan Peterson and fuck weak MRA incel homos like you. Attending seminars held by date advising hucksters, PUA clowns, religious fanatics and ideological zealots will never make you an alpha male, because you forget the first ingredient of a true alpha male, that they don’t need that shit in the first place, and make their own path, without fags like Jordan Peterson

>>17935440
>hierarchy is little more than fantasy
>which is why to become a male who is on top of the hierarchy, you need to make your own path
i think what you meant to say is "adhering to and worshipping the hierarchy is little more than conservatard fantasy"

>>17935440
>hierarchy is little more than some conservatard fantasy, in order to never have to change anything about society,
No revolutionary attempt to 'change society' to overturn hierarchies they consider unjust has ever done anything but create new hierarchies, frequently far more tyrannical and dysfunctional ones. It is genuinely completely meaningless to speak of eliminating hierarchy in complex civilization, the complexity and hierarchy are inextricably intertwined. It is also often totally illegitimate to go around destroying these hierarchies when they are not abusing their powers in the first place.

Jordan Peterson is literally a retard. He is addicted to Klonopin has “depression” for “no reason” and has been on SSRIs most his life. His daughter is very clearly a dumb bitch who is dick riding her own father for internet clout. His theories about the world are also fucking trash and very clearly a huge projection of his own inner retardation.

Also his whole gay philosophy is just a cope for not getting pussy. He is against having casual sex which as a man is completely retarded and gay. Maybe his dick does not work from all the SSRI, but if you see a hot girl you want to fuck her, to deny that is tyranny against yourself for a false concept of “sanctity” made by random retards who knew less about the fundamental nature of reality than you . He says we have an “intrinsic measure” of good and bad inside us. No bitch wrong, there are kids in Brazil who kill their parents at age 12 and don’t feel shit. If something does not happen naturally than it is a mind made construct obviously. This is the same retardation of Christians and religions in general. A good framework has to apply everywhere not just you personal clown show. It also should be universal so that no man must tell me it is true for me to realize it on my own. An example of this is “nothing is permanent” something that any retard can figure out by themselves without having Dr Peterson tell them.

The only thing that he says that has some king of merit is the dominance bullshit. But at the same time that one is also fucking dumb. Climbing up the ladder of dominance does not get you more happiness nor more pussy. In fact if you are climbing any kind of dominance system you are literally a slave and the people at the top of it laugh at you because they made it dummy, dominance is a mind made construct. If you think you are more dominant than me and I think I am more dominant than you then who is right? How can we measure dominance? Absolutely pathetic piss poor philosophy. I cannot believe guys still think this guy is like Socrates or some shit. He is literally just a retard who is clearly miserable because he is denying his dick.

>>17936026
>If you think you are more dominant than me and I think I am more dominant than you then who is right? How can we measure dominance?
How the people around you respond obviously, who they support. In some cases it comes down to actual violence between you two to determine it, depends on the social norms at play.

The rest of your post has immense amounts of midwittery as well but I can't be bothered

>>17936060
Okay so what if someone beats me up and everyone laughs at me but then I have sex with his wife and she has my kids. Who is the dominant one in this scenario.

>>17936127
This scenario is not likely to happen but yes you're right that dominance hierarchies are multi-axial so you can't just assign a single quantity to it. Positions in hierarchies also change over time of course.

>>17935931
What about the systems in place in Mexico. The gangs in that country are so fucked up they kill entire villages and behead children. This is obviously a hierarchy that should be changed if you want to see the amount of suffering in the world reduced, maybe you do not care about those people, but that is your personally stance.

As far as personally hierarchies go away when you stop believing in them because a lot of it is based on mind made concepts. When you strip all of it away you are left with the biology of wanting more women and recourses, but there are better ways to get those than climbing a mind made system. For example talking to women directly which I am sure Peterson has never done.

>>17933917
>Taking peterson seriously
Rip

>>17936026
Irony that the angry cringe rants of moral relativists telling other people how they should behave always come from the least happy and broken people society has to offer.

>>17936291
Mexico does not have a real hierarchy, it is practically a failed state, and the behavior of the gangs is clearly abuse of their power. Gangs do tend to become more reasonable governors when they get secure control over a territory and its people but Mexico is basically in civil war between cartels and the state.

I don't understand your second paragraph at all, it doesn't matter if you personally stop believing in these concepts if other people continue to believe in them, and the jab at Peterson makes even less sense since he is a father.

>>17933917
The only reason I wish it was higher is bc I think it'd get me a gf, otherwise I just don't see the point

>>17936249
This is why the goal should not be to climb the hierarchy. Set a goal that is meaningful to you and overcome resistance to achieve it. No need to complicate things with a relative dominance framework that is impossible to measure. Yes achieving your goal may raise your dominance but you may also need to lower your dominance to achieve certain goals. This is why it is unreliable. Furthermore, achieving goals meaningful to you, from your innermost being is much more purposeful then simply beating others for the sake of beating them.

>>17936440
I am actually very happy and I laugh at people who base their lives off concepts, but sometimes I actually feel genuinely bad for some people. That being said it does confuse me why people hide behind a holier than thou attitude to hide from going after what they really want from life. I think it is fear because without morals you would be forced to define your own life and it is much easier to let someone else take control. Like Peterson even though he is in a personal hell himself.

>>17936548
you are conflating a discussion of the reality of dominance hierarchies with one about ethics and meaning. Whatever your goals are in life, which is a very separate matter, if they involve you existing in society then you are going to have to navigate these social hierarchies. I'd say it's a pretty small percentage of people whose only goal is power, mostly sociopath or narcissist types I guess, Idk, but everybody has to care about power at least a little bit, unless they are a hermit monk or something.

Not really. I'd like to be a doctor and would love to have a harem but it's too much work for something so uncertain. I would have to slave away for years only get have a chance to even obtain a sliver of this.

>>17936516
This. Also read pic related

>>17933917
No. I hate being middlemode, give me glory or a life on the streets please.

>>17936623
>>17936516
Your goals are to fuck, you must overcome resistance to have sex, once you overcome it you gain power and feel happy. Simple Nietzsche. Yes you can’t be a low value loser and get hot women, but you certainly do not need to be a doctor. This is why Jordan is fucking so many young men. You don’t have to go to school for years to get pussy you can do it right now. Your goal is not to be a doctor your goal is pussy. Perfectly illustrates the retardation of thinking in terms of hierarchy.

How about instead of obsessing over your standing at a party (hierarchy) you go and talk to the girls (goal).

>>17934842
closest to me is beta positive

>>17936691
Most people's goals are not reducible just to having sex, sex is one of the more important ones but it's not the only one.

>>17936691
>but you certainly do not need to be a doctor.

Depends wholly on your looks. Good looking guys do not need additional status because their phenotype signals good genotype. This is Ecology 101.

>>17936756
Read what I wrote it is a metaphor also >>17936757
Spending years to become a doctor is not the most efficient way to get laid no matter how ugly you are

>>17933917
There is no dominance hierarchy, it's a meme for people who can't handle the complexity of real social relations. I know plenty of losers with no jobs who are immensely popular and get pussy on tap because they have insane charisma, and I also know many doctors and other accomplished professionals who are miserable and alone. There isn't one ladder you have to climb to get what you want in life.

>>17937330
well now we know your ranking

>>17937330
>there are at least two dominance hierarchies instead of a single one therefore there are no dominance hierarchies
based retard

>>17933917
I don't want to be on it.
It does not interest me.
I just want money, and in return freedom, to do what I want when I want. Monkey games don't interest me, I leave you all to do the monkey games while I escape with the money.

>>17933917
No, and he's right about what it is to be at the bottom of the hierarchy. It's bottomless suffering.

>>17934962
>>17935440
No one is this retarded.

>>17937464
cope

>>17936026
>we should all aspire to be like the parricidal prepubescent favelamonkey that lives in my head and tells me what to stick my dick into

>>17933917
I'm an upper middle class Wasp male in the country founded by my ancestors. I dream in the language my people have spoken since it became a language. I work in the civil service in the middling ranks where I answer to no one and no one answers to me. I live in a spacious beautifully appointed apartment on Prospect Park. My wife isn't well behaved, but is at least well born. Our children are attractive and exceptionally bright.

All I want to do is watch the world burn.

>>17934842
omega+

>>17934842
Someone took the time to write this drivel

>>17934842
Notice how this is all about women in the end. You people are more dominated by the opinions of random women than you care to admit. Jung would call you 'anima possessed'. The only real reason to have sex is for reproduction, or to feel closer to the person you love. Being obsessed with having sex or relationships is the most spiritually poor thing a man can do.

>>17934962
>I'm an alpha plus without even caring about all of this hierarchy shit.
Uh anon...

Also imagine thinking Sean Connery or any type of male Instagram model is considered 'intelligent' lmfao

>>17933963
It's a difficult situation for me because i'm a mentally ill all or nothing type.
So unless i have the chance to become the supreme god king of humanity it seem worthless. There isn't any position below that, that would satisfy my soul.

>>17934507
People who worship Peterson are just guys who grew up without a strong father figure while at the same time lacking self-awareness through their narcissistic qualities (because of childhood trauma)

He's nothing less than a hypocritical self-help guru who almost killed himself by overdosing on drugs. The real red pill is Jung. Or actually any Western philosophy in general. Start with the Greeks. I can guarantee you P*terson never even read one (1) word of Plato.

>>17938355
For normal people, attractive = intelligent, unless the person is very obviously stupid. This is especially true if the attractive person is the sex opposite to the one doing the intelligence judging.

>>17938398
>For normal people, attractive = intelligent
This is not even true. And even if it was, why care about what 'normal people' (read: the masses) think or care about?

For example, I'm considered to be attractive. Yet at 26 I've only ever had sex with 2 women, both long term girlfriends. When I made Tinder I had hundreds of matches with attractive women easily. Why would I care? I genuinely don't care about sex outside of the intimacy. Having sex as some sort of body count is pathetic as fuck and just reveals some sort of insecurity about your masculinity. It may be desirable for weak willed men, but anyone who has any form of wisdom looks right through it.

>>17933917
Literally if I thought the world was a dominance hierarchy many would die.

>>17933922
Sigma balls

>>17934003
Your mom is a weeb?!

>>17933917
I belive I'm better than most the people I know, I don't care if that's true or not

>>17934684
Well if you had a single braincell you would be able to answer this yourself , people would judge you based on the social heirarchy that is projected onto you. While you can still believe in yourself actually becoming a better person than who they think you are . You cant detach yourself from others projections onto you but you can fight these projections with the "compare yesterday self" proposition. Imagine it as if you got caught in a scandal in some neighborhood and you travel to another with a whole new attitude and persona.

>>17933917
>caring about ranking
is this man the anti-socrates?

>>17934842
lol this is some Brave New World satire

>>17936026
>who can measure dominance
We all do. Have you never been to a party and seen how eyes interact with each other? Have you never intuitively grasped the amount of time speaking someone has in groups? This is trivial in some sense but its clear that dominance is always measured in a context so that you yourself can benefit from paying attention to who is speaking words that can help you learn. Petersons error is never discussing prestige vs dominace.

>>17936127
He finds out and rapes you in the anus till you die thats what happens , and the prospect of it is a deterrent for you fucking his wife

>>17933917
No, but it's pretty stupid to worry about that sort of thing. When you understand how incredibly vapid and vain most people are it's hard to feel anything but contempt for the morons who waste their entire life trying to be cool. True dominance is understanding that hierarchies are a purely artificial social construct, and using this to maneuver yourself into positions of power without internalizing the slave status institutions want to force on you.

>>17933922
picture related

>>17933917
Record you burping so I can jack off to it

>>17934842
they are all me wtf

>>17934842
I'm all of them

>>17934842
omega positive

It goes

1. My cock
2. Butterfly
3. Me

(I know she laughs at my posts sometimes) :3

>>17933917
I fucked off a lot in high school, not realizing that those 4 years are basically the launch pad for the rest of your life that can make or break you. I've always been a skeptical retard who resisted authority and had to learn the hard lessons himself.

>>17933917
it's competence hierarchy, bucko

>>17939326
If you can't get straight A's in high school while doing literally nothing you were never going to amount to much anyway.

no

>>17939326
>>17939775
Listen I went to a school that has produced numerous Rhodes scholars, and a community college that produced mostly dentists and nurses. The first school accepted less than a third of applicants, but almost all of those applicants were from the same ten or so private schools. Do you know why? Because these private schools will pay universities to hold a certain amount of seats every year for their students. Which means that no matter how mediocre the selection, they have to take 20 students from this expensive prep school and 30 students from that one. The result is that only about 60% of the students there are actually there as a result of competitive merit, and the rest are merely there because they have rich parents. This school is actually considered fairly liberal in that it has relatively few reserved seats compared to most prestigious schools.

Now they still need to pass this 40% of dumb students, so they've worked out a special way to make sure it happens without jeopardize their position: they throw a ridiculous amount of books at first year students, then pretend that they expect those students to read all these books. Now private school kids are used to this game, they know that reading 300 pages a day is physically impossible, so they cheat. Normal people, they stumble, take a few dives, and eventually figure out the game. Meanwhile, to people outside the school, it appears as though everyone here is a brilliant wiz kid capable of reading and understanding Kant or Spinoza in a single weekend.

It's this sort of trained facade, being able to give the impression of superhuman intellectual capacities (even under criticism and interrogation in an academic context), that is really being taught at these schools. Very few people come out of top universities actually having read the Western canon. All of them come out being able to have an intelligent conversation about the western canon.

[cont]

>>17940053
Now I was a math major, so lets examine how that is treated differently. In private schools, it is pure theory. You break down every question to its fundamental axions, and you learn how to do proofs backwards and forwards. Its hammered into you from day one, and it's rigorous, but the entire time there are TAs available to help you, and you are constantly re-assured by your teachers that "this is hard for everyone so don't worry, we're here to help you and you are smart enough to learn this".

In Community College, math classes are treated as a way to "separate the wheat from the chaff", and specifically designed to fail the bottom 30% of students in order to correct over-enrollment issues. The books skip over theory and mostly rely on rote memorization and number crunching. In MIT you'll mostly study logical statements and represent numbers with greek letters. In CC, you'll be expected to work with six digit numbers and minute fractions which are only thrown in by the textbook makers to confuse you and give the impression that what you're learning is more difficult than it actually is. Point is this: rich kids are hammered with the basics, presented in the plainest most accessible manner. Poor kids are hammered with a bunch of useless crap to keep them busy and give a false impression of complexity (so when they do meet someone who was actually taught correctly they're amazed). Rich kids are set up to succeed, poor are set up to fail, by design.

Remember how I said I went to a school that produced numerous Rhodes scholars? Once one of these Rhodes scholars came to a class I was taking and gave a presentation (she had studied under the professor). She was obviously very smart in her particular field of study, but otherwise was an entirely forgettable and unimposing character. Nothing about her radiated brilliance, she was just another person who had won an award.

When I was taking a history class at CC, the prof was covering Cecil Rhodes and mentioned the Rhodes scholarship. The way he phrased it was essentially that it's an award for only the most elite brilliant people in society, and that none of us in that class would ever come close to that level of intelligence.

The irony here? The CC class was actually a lot better than the elite university class. The private school professor had some life drama and was barely engaged in the curriculum, the CC prof was one of the best in the school and didn't waste a minute of his lectures. I learned more in a week in that class than I did in an entire semester with the other class.

That CC was mostly immigrants and the average student could speak 3 or 4 languages fluently. In the elite school I once crashed a Latinx BBQ to practice my Spanish and got nothing but dirty looks when I found out that none of the Latinx people there actually spoke any Spanish beyond calling their family members 'tio/a' and other virtue signalling BS.

>>17940053
>>17940068
>>17939326
The point is that university is just a scam. It's a way to force people to internalize a certain class position that was already selected for them at birth. When somebody manages to rise out of their class position in life, it's because they were allowed to just to maintain the hoax of a meritocracy.

Take the admissions rate for any competitive school, then cut that number in half. That's the real admissions rate, half the seats were already put aside for wealthy students. And it doesn't really matter how hard you work or grind, because whatever percentage of people they let in it's to the exclusion of everybody else regardless of how intelligent or deserving those people are. In fact, its more often the case that schools will just pick a token black, a token gay, a token environmentalist, and so on, as per whatever the trends of the day are among rich people. They don't actually give a fuck about the best and brightest.

Authority doesn't give two shits about you, and it will only pretend it does long enough to fuck you over and trap you in debt. You can print a degree from any university in the world with MS paint and honestly you'd be more deserving than most actual Ivy League grads. Don't ever stop resisting authority.

>>17933917
>dominance hierarchy
What the fuck is that? Never heard of it.

>>17933922
cope personified

>>17940104
basado

>>17939775
I wasn't doing literally nothing though. I was out doing unproductive and damaging things. Anyway, I'm literally a millionaire now so you can shove it up your bum.

>>17940053
>>17940068
>>17940104
One of the better effortposts I've read this week

>>17940104
Massively based but still what's the essence of this? That meritocracy is a lie and that the authority is the instatation of the elites will to remain elites. I can see how this damages Petersons argument that competence is the key to success in a hiearchy but suppose you take a larger view and see that the elites actions to preserve their class (among other things) is precisely the way which produces elites. Reject authority I agree but become authority I can only agree more.

>>17937405
Play monkey games win monkey prizes.

>>17940104
Based and reality pilled.

>>17940522
>Reject authority I agree but become authority I can only agree more.
The problem is that authority is larger than what any one person is capable of. Elites are not happy or healthy people, lots of them are drugged out weirdos. You aren't just going to will yourself into becoming world-emperor.
If you have to take something away, it's that you shouldn't internalize self-limits or other peoples value systems.
Whats I took away is that violence is the great equalizer. If you're capable of causing physical agony to someone it doesn't matter how much money you have because people will fear you, and Machiavelli demonstrated that it is better to be feared than loved.
It's also good to have multiple revenue streams and a level of financial independence, because then the only limit is your tolerance of risk.

>>17933917
Yeah it's not bad. I generally get respect, and get along with most people. But I don't have a lot of authority either.

>>17938716
No, Jordan Peterson is just your standard midwit author. Just like C.S. Lewis or Chesteron before him, he’s all about constructing a fantasy version of the past which never happened but allows middle class dimwits to escape into whenever societal instability emerges.

In the case of Lewis and Chesterton in was the collapse of the British empire that made them construct this fantasy world, and in the case of Peterson, it’s the decay of the Anglo-American rule of the world, with its twin engine of Christianity and free market capitalism. Those two are being questioned and attacked, because of the loss of their credibility, so people like Peterson are called to action (while being paid by rich oil billionaires) to basically create a PR fantasy story in which 1950’s America was some kind of utopian fantasy land that we should all return back to.

>>17933917
the more you think about "dominance hierarchies" the lower you are on it

>>17939775
This. In one language subject I not only skipped class, but my workbook was entirely blank (the senile old lady never noticed I took myself off the class roster and never showed up to class; I spent the time practising waterpolo sprints). They wanted to block me from sitting the exam due to fears that I would disgrace the school, yet I still got an A in the subject.

The played out "smart, but lazy" stereotype is utter bollocks. If you didn't get A's without trying in high-school you were never going to amount to anything academically in higher education.

>>17940831
Bars

>>17933917
I've just realized. It's infinitely more enjoyable to not care about your place in the hierarchy. Just make the most of your circumstances. What will happen will happen. Try to be the best you and if that's "worse" than others, so the fuck what?

>>17933917
YES.

>>17941175
cope

>>17941183
typical and expected 4chan response to a legitimate path of self-realization

>>17941175
>so the fuck what?
It results in immense consequences in your happiness, financial security, your freedom, your ability to enjoy what life has to offer as fully as possible and your most importantly your mental health.

>>17935931
This. It's ironic that all these Marxists academics would quite literally be the first to be shot which they would know if they actually bothered to study the revolution in Russia. There is always hierarchy and always will be. In a healthy society the power is spread between many individuals and few of them abuse their power.

>>17933973
you don't care about income, reproduction, responsibility, freedom, standard of living, family, influence on society, personal development, ...???

>>17936291
You are projecting your white saviour complex Western values on the third world and assuming people there want that as well. Those villagers being killed are just as likely to slaughter others' wives and children if you hand power over to them. That is, in fact, literally what happens.

>>17933917
I don't think about it. If you have a gun you can do anything you want.

>>17936548
>That being said it does confuse me why people hide behind a holier than thou attitude to hide from going after what they really want from life.
You seem to be more insistent on your moral relativism than even religious people are insistent on what is sinful and what is not. Anyway there are obviously numerous advantages to abstinence, empathy and long term thinking. These days, largely due to the work of previous generations, it is difficult to see the immediate consequences of "going after what you really want in life" instead of living a virtuous life, but they are still there. Instead of starvation and being raped by bandits it shows up more subtly in the form of failed careers, social ostracisation, struggling pensioners, single mothers etc.

>>17933917
YES.

>>17938056
>All I want to do is watch the world burn.
The eternal Anglo simply can't help himself.

>>17934723
>Technological salvation myth

>>17941175
>Try to be the best you and if that's "worse" than others, so the fuck what?
So the fuck you'll be worse off than others. It's not the end-all-be-all, but your relationship to the society is a large part of your life.

>>17940104
People like you got publicly disemboweled in the past

>>17934723
>Tech IPOs at the top of their field, worth billions of dollars, will allow AI to benefit the average jackoff instead of reinforcing their own status as you slave away in a lithium mine with a humble allowance of a crypto they invented and control the market price of because most people are too dense to understand magic money.
That's an interesting take, when do you graduate middle school?

>>17941344
it seems like you would rather regurgitate autistic Peterson takes than actually look into Russian Marxist revolution

>>17941553
You said that as if "autistic Peterson takes" proves that the disastrous revolutions were actually pretty cool lol

>>17941553
I have never read Peterson you smoothbrained cuckhold.

>>17933917
YES.

>>17940053
>>17940068
>>17940104
There is a lot of truth in your posts, but also a lot of misconceptions.

The second biggest misconception you have is that "cheating" by not reading a book in its entirety is "cheating". They intentionally overload you with more material than you can handle precisely because they want you to adapt your reading style so that you can learn to pass an exam (and, far more importantly, produce a quip at a cocktail party) without reading an entire book. Even before the internet age of dompanine addiction, scholars would rarely digest a book in its entirety. Learning inspectional and syntopical reading styles or grasping content from the summaries of others is far more important than fully understanding any single text unless you plan to do your PhD on that book. This is something I feel that I need to emphasise since a lot of outsiders to this system are often (ironically) "elitist" about wasting their time reading a book as fully as possible. I think in general a lot of outsiders/CC students etc. waste too much time studying detail; you should realize that it is not valuable to others and most often not even yourself.

The biggest misconception that you have is that this system is artificial. It is not and I will explain why with my own background. I am from a poor white family and I was one of the token scholarhips to a prep school back when it was still fashionable to help poor white people. I took school a bit more seriously than you did and ended up with a full ride at a top engineering school. For a while I was fooled into thinking I had made it into the upper echelons of society. My friends and classmates were all from 0.01%er families so clearly I could be just like them, they built their wealth from some company/patent using the same skills I had after all. Of course, then graduation came around and it turns out that all my years of effort on GPAs and networking were for naught because I was never destined to get the instant high salary placements or VC in businesses and firms owned and controlled by my friends' families. So yes, in that sense the wealth control is set, you cannot climb into it through education. However, it absolutely did help me become more valuable to others in the middle classes. I got into a really good gradschool which led to a lucrative research career. There are a lot of top people from worse undergrad shools who make it here as well, but they underperform because the quality of education really is lower at those schools and it is not possible to catch up. They speak a different language, they still study using the poor overly detailed methods and fall behind.

It might be a facade, but it's one made of steel that you can't breach from the outside. You definitely cannot breach it by being learned. With a lot of dumb luck and persistence you might able to garner enough wealth so that your grandkids can get into this club at the top though.

>>17941595
>smoothebrained
unironic reddit moment

>>17941553
>He doesn't know that academics were considered "class enemies" who were shot on sight and that is literally why people from all over the world volunteered to fight in the white army.

>>17940824
>because of the loss of their credibility
No, you mean because of non-white immigrants. The country was a perfectly good system for white people and a small non-white minority who benefitted off their success.

>>17938337
correct

>>17941595
no, I will never read Peterson that's autistic
but I've heard enough of his takes on communism to see just extremist McCarthyist propaganda of course the but that nigga embarrassed himself next to Zizek plus its pretty schizo to have a bunch of common ist art in your home to remind yourself of your worst fear have fun worshipping your lobsters a pseudoscience.

>>17941690
This feels like an post by an AI that was fed YouTube comments.
>worshipping your lobsters
>propaganda
>embarrassed himself next to Zizek
>schizo to collect communist art
>pseudoscience
Lmao

>>17941665
yes but cause they were literally their own class given enough sway over peoples lives they were littlerly nobles you act like they killed artist or some shit unironic peterson propaganda

Why does peterson and his fans forget the CAPITALIST revolution that was the French Revolution, the french saw a heirarchy of feudalism, and shifted the power to the bourgeoisie. Retarded Petersonians would have you believe that it is impossible to change the hierarchies lmao

>>17941730
>Retarded Petersonians would have you believe that it is impossible to change the hierarchies lmao
This is one of those strawmans that I'm not actually sure of if they're intentional or malicious. Who the fuck ever said that it's impossible to change hierarchies? lmao?

>>17941690
Nearly every academic at Western universities would've been purged by Marxists. Unlike your stretched out lies of arbitrarily trained reponses and red herrings, I have evidence:

These purges even included completely apolitical academics such as astronomers etc.:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2500602?seq=1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge#Intelligentsia

>In the 1920s and 1930s, 2,000 writers, intellectuals, and artists were imprisoned and 1,500 died in prisons and concentration camps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitism_(social_offense)#Soviet_Union

>In 1961, 130,000 people were identified as leading the "anti-social, parasitic way of life" in the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.[7] Charges of parasitism were frequently applied to dissidents and refuseniks, many of whom were intellectuals. Since their writings were considered anti-establishment, the state prevented them from obtaining employment. To avoid trials for parasitism, many of them took unskilled (but not especially time-consuming) jobs (street sweepers, firekeepers, etc.), which allowed them to continue their other pursuits.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_people#Soviet_Union
>At various times these terms were applied, in particular, to Tsar Nicholas II and the Imperial family, aristocrats, the bourgeoisie, clerics, business entrepreneurs, anarchists, kulaks, monarchists, Mensheviks, Esers, Bundists, Trotskyists, Bukharinists, the "old Bolsheviks", the army and police, emigrants, saboteurs, wreckers (вpeдитeли, "vrediteli"), "social parasites" (тyнeядцы, "tuneyadtsy"), Kavezhedists (people who administered and serviced the KVZhD (China Far East Railway), particularly the Russian population of Harbin, China), those considered bourgeois nationalists (notably Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Armenian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian nationalists, Zionists, Basmachi).[10]


The first thing that would happen in a Marxist revolution in the West is that the "leaders and activitsts" who had held cushy highly paid tenured positions at universities or are currently paid by NGOs and were therefore enemies of the worker class would be isolated and murdered. And rightly so, they have been screwing over the American worker for over five decades now.

>>17941720
Anyone that has time for Marxist activism is literally part of a noble priviledged class. Most people have to work 3 jobs just to survive and then these pampered armchair academics tell them they need to import more immigrants to depress their wages even more.

Those people would absolutely be shot in a revolution, even if they initially led that revolution like they did in Russia.

>>17941742
Peterson says it's morally bad to change heirarchies, which to me is just the heirarchy seeking self perpetuation, if the heirarchy isn't working, why shouldn't you at least try for a better arrangement.

I want to dominate anon with my dick

>>17941807
>Peterson says it's morally bad to change heirarchies
Nope. Half of his videos/lectures/Maps of Meaning are literally about the danger of pathological hierarchies.

I am the lobster who will slay the dragon and save my father but also kill my father to become a true man. I am the milk man my milk is delicious. Shit skins can't become lobsters because cooked lobsters aren't brown. JP is retarr but his daughter probably has a smooth fat pussy so I'll listen to Kermit the frog audio books to learn about the lobster Basque

>>17941824
Crab >>> lobster

>>17941690
Maaaan fuck Zizek that lispy coke sniffy fat hobo moron. He dead so he's definitely lower on the dominance hierarchy lmfao kek kek

>>17941830

Time for crab

>>17933963
I used to care, not anymore. I just want my own "low" woman so I can have a peaceful life and eventually killing myself when I'm 35.

>If you don't believe in my extremely archaic world view you're either a loser or coping
J. Peterson, everyone

The man who told everyone to never criticize the world until your own life is almost perfect, and then proceeded to almost die from severe drug addiction. Please read about Jung's notion of 'shadow projection'. Peterson is a narcissist with a fragile ego who enjoys fame and attention, nothing more and nothing less.

>>17941794
It only makes sense, practically. Why would you keep around a group of people that have previously demonstrated great proficiency in starting movements to overthrow governments? You’d have to be crazy.

>>17941658
Everything you said just demonstrates what the other poster said, only it's told from the perspective of a self important house nigger who's learned to love his place (because out of dumb luck a prep school allowed him to be the token poor kid despite this luxury not being afforded to 99% of the population)

Rot in piss class traitor.

Peterson falls down because he is confused.

He claims to be Christian but can't answer the question of if he literally believes Jesus rose from the dead and ascended.
So the ultimate foundation of his work is spirituality, but he doesn't explicitly know how that works, and he doesn't have a true theological core to his religiosity.
His work is actually based on his education and work experience, and he doesn't know how to reconcile that with Christianity.

He has some decent self help ideas and advice from his dealings with patients, but he overstretches himself. Some of his jungian stuff is interesting, but it's jungs not his.
I've tried watching some of his lectures and I just find them incredibly boring and vague.

>>17941658
>They intentionally overload you with more material than you can handle precisely because they want you to adapt your reading style so that you can learn to pass an exam (and, far more importantly, produce a quip at a cocktail party) without reading an entire book
That's what I said. You just seem to assume this is a smart way to read a book as opposed to a clever parlor trick to make the wealthy seem more intelligent than they actually are.

>a lot of outsiders to this system are often (ironically) "elitist" about wasting their time reading a book as fully as possible
There is such thing as a natural elite, and that sort of elitism in raw brilliance, physical prowess, or skilled virtuosity is immediately recognizable and appreciated by everyone. Skimming sparknotes with your rich friends isn't raw brilliance though, no matter what you tell yourself.

>I took school a bit more seriously than you did and ended up with a full ride at a top engineering school
Well aren't you special.

>So yes, in that sense the wealth control is set, you cannot climb into it through education
I've networked better than that and with less opportunity. Maybe you're just an inferior copy of the rich kids. It seems like you just don't know how to demonstrate value or self-direction.

>However, it absolutely did help me become more valuable to others in the middle classes
Hah.

>There are a lot of top people from worse undergrad shools who make it here as well, but they underperform because the quality of education really is lower at those schools and it is not possible to catch up. They speak a different language, they still study using the poor overly detailed methods and fall behind.
If you'd ever left your bubble and experienced different walks of life (opposed to the life of ease and privilege you cling onto) you'd realize that these methods are actively taught to people in poorer schools and universities as a way of handicapping them and providing the rich with an extra advantage. That's why I teach myself.

>It might be a facade, but it's one made of steel that you can't breach from the outside. You definitely cannot breach it by being learned. With a lot of dumb luck and persistence you might able to garner enough wealth so that your grandkids can get into this club at the top though.
Exactly what I said, told from the perspective of an aspirant middle class bootlicker faggot.

>>17943648
>the world view that 'some people are superior to others and that has consequences' is "extremely archaic"
>he's literally just the wash your penis guy and that's it no nuance or anything I would know

yeah I bet your statements totally come from a well informed place, huh? I'm sure you didn't just get some watered down idea on his work from here and come up with a retarded shallow opinion from that

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>>17938974
I don't know, playing the game for compliance seems more advantageous than not.

>>17941458
Conquering the world is fun; administering it and attempting to lift the lesser races out of the mud? Not so much.

I agree with most people here that JP is a dumbass but i have trouble hating him. Mostly because his book helped my cousin stop his drinking problem. Some people need his dumbass ideas.

>>17944980
he's a dumbass with a heart of gold

>>17933917
>>17933922

Consciously identifying as being like a certain kind of person and anxiously trying to maintain such an image is cringe and niggerpilled in any form. It's inherently deceptive and effeminate

>>17933917
JBP's obsession on hierarchies feels almost as overblown as Freuds obsession on sex

>>17938468
hearty keks

>>17943947
pretty spot on desu

>>17933917
no, but i'm also conscious of the artificiality of the desire, so it doesnt get me depressed or whatever

>>17933917
https://boards.4channel.org/lit/thread/17947931#p1794825417933922
>>17933928
>>17933935
>>17933948
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>>17933951

yes i am the lowest of the low please step on me omg im gonna cum pls dominate me in the hiearchy omg im gonna cum again aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>17933922
Sigma? What's sigma?

>>17948371
I believe it's greek for "cope"

>>17933963
I think what happened is that my innate disposition is to not care, but then I recognized that there are certain things I want to change about the world which I can't have any effect on if I'm powerless, so I've begrudgingly convinced myself to care

>>17946148
To use an idea conceptualized by Freud (who ironically could not recognize his own extreme tendency for this): projection.

>>17948371
sigma balls on your mom

>>17937405
What I want is real friends and a job that actually is beneficial to me in some way. Really I am not even all too interested in an SO on the inside. It is more about friendship and like-minded people.

>>17940104
>he doesn’t believe in Social Darwinism
You really think that people become rich and successful completely at random?

>>17933917
Almost every single person to ever write on some form of "dominance heiarchies" are borderline retarded. These people never once put any sort of anthropological thought and instead spew pseudoscience and claim to have a definitive structure to an extremely complex and every changing structure.

>>17933917
No

>>17948902
Read Peterson’s scientific literature on lobsters.

>>17933928
>as is his assessment of divinity as essentially the ultimate representation of will-to-power.
That's really low-effort.

>>17948902
>claim to have a definitive structure
Peterson never claimed that. He analyzes particular factors that affect the hierarchy and even then he (almost self-parodically) keeps saying "something like that", "roughly speaking" etc.

>>17943947
>He claims to be Christian
Nope.
>Some of his jungian stuff is interesting, but it's jungs not his.
Misleading.

>>17948353
kek

Hes a moron and an attention seeking troll (self confessed: "I found a way to monetize the social justice warriors"). His critics are all idiots who fell for bait, his fans have 85 IQ

>>17933917
This is fascism

>>17933917
No, I’ve literally hit rock bottom

>>17933917
GMO shill-tard

It seems to me like a lot of internet leftism is rooted in being very mad that going to college didn't translate into a good job

>>17933917
I have 1.6 million USD in crypto but I've lived such an apathetic life for the past few months that I think I've dropped out of the dominance hierarchy altogether.
I don't know where I'd even go to find a girlfriend.

>>17950686
probably because that's not real money

>>17933917
I am posting on an Anonymous board, what does it say about the probability of my Candy Ass enjoying the view from the top of the totem pole?

>>17950900
lmao

>>17950686
I hope I can be like you one day anon. You can put yourself together again with a bit of work, if there is anything you like doing join a group of like minded people and maybe there is a qt 3.14 in there, just don't tell anyone about your fortune, especially not your gf. We are going to make it whatever that means to us currently.

>>17952193
We're all gonna make it. I suggest being mostly in cash or stablecoins by October, but if you're in 5 figures USD now you'll be in or around 6 figures by then.

>>17933928
will-to-power is a concept that only holds merit to paranoid schizophrenics and homosexual hermits. Nietzsche is the quintessential portrayal of both archetypes.

>>17940104
Can you go into further detail about breaking into this world? I'm getting my MBA at a top 20 school and do have some classmates that come from pretty wealthy families. How do you go about proving yourself and providing value?

>>17950686
Based Link chad.
I'm a smaller holder, but suffice to say my time in six digit hell is almost at an end.

I was fortunate enough to have a GF before making it, I feel bad for you to have to search afterwards.

Just make sure that she isn't only interested in your wallet, make her think you're a poor fag before you wife her.

As for my own stance in the dominance hierarchy?
I have the GF my highschool self wanted, I'm wealthier than 97% of people my age, I'm tall and white, considered classically handsome, but internally I feel nothing.