/lit/ - Literature

>>17956613
I don't recall asking.

Jesus literally rose from the dead and there's nothing this faggot can do about it.

>>17956613
fuck off mario

This is Gianni Vattimo. A self-proclaimed nihilist, catholic, post-modernist, homosexual, communist, and a former member of the European parliament. He believes the essence of Christianity is charity and unconditional love towards others and that secularization is better at achieving this (universal human rights etc). He opposes the Church's antiquated, absolutist dogma and it's persistent hold on absolutism in the age of post-modernism, after the death of metaphysics, where only interpretations exist.

>>17956626
>This is Gianni Vattimo. A self-proclaimed nihilist, catholic, post-modernist, homosexual, communist, and a former member of the European parliament. He believes the essence of Christianity is charity and unconditional love towards others and that secularization is better at achieving this (universal human rights etc). He opposes the Church's antiquated, absolutist dogma and it's persistent hold on absolutism in the age of post-modernism, after the death of metaphysics, where only interpretations exist.

>>17956621
According to his braindead followers, who make claims that are never corroborated outside of his cult.

This is like a couple of Scientologists claiming L. Rob Hubbard rose from the dead lol

>>17956613

Sounds like a huge retard on the same level or perhaps more than Zizek. I can't believe this guy considers himself a "catholic"

>>17956613
>nihilist, catholic

>>17956647
That’s actually the more sensible association. Christianity is intrinsically nihilistic

why do so many people like to pretend god and jesus are like the totally cool parent who lets you eat icecream for breakfast and not the smart parent that knows that's idiotic even if it makes the child sad/angry

>>17956632
>According to his braindead followers, who make claims that are never corroborated outside of his cult.

There are literally billions of Christians, both now and throughout history.

Also Jesus has appeared to many throughout the centuries and miracles have been performed in His name.

>>17956654
Because they haven't read the Gospels and/or haven't received good preaching. That's the crux of it. There's an infinite amount of absolute retards in the modern world that like to talk about what Jesus would say/do in a given situation, but who have actually not bothered to delve into what Jesus was actually like according to his own religion.

>>17956656
>There are literally billions of Christians, both now and throughout history.
And billions of Muslims are absolutely convinced that Muhammed received the literal word of God, yet that doesn’t convince you either

>>17956666
Glad to see the sixes found a good home

>>17956661
I did, it’s just that I’m also aware of the core tenet of your religion, which is obedience. The more mindless the better, and you’re ‘we’re all sinners’ bullshit is just in integral part of this

>>17956672
Yes, but it’s four, so I guess it doesn’t count

>>17956676
not even a christian myself but do you actually expect people to believe that obedience to what amounts to not much more than pretty sound moral principles and some community focused events is a bad thing for society just because you never grew out of your rebellious teen age mindset?

>>17956676
>The more mindless the better

There is literally a passage in the Gospels refuting this.

>You are my friends if you do what I command you. I no longer call you slaves, because a slave does not know what his master is doing. I have called you friends because I have told you everything I have heard from my Father.

>>17956666
Ok satan

>>17956731
He thinks following rules is mindless when not following rules is what is truly mindless

>>17956654
Just another form of Phariseeism.
>“‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

>>17956731
>don’t obey me as a slave
>obey me as your friend instead
I’m pretty sure that friendship is a two-way street. Or do you view friendship solely as one directional, where one just speaks and the other just listens?

I love how you just demonstrated why Christianity is not a personal relationship. In a personal relationship, I also get to talk back and disagree with the other person, and in any good relationship, there isn’t one side that has all the power, where the other one has to obey. So great, you’ve showed Christianity for the utter sham it is, thanks

>>17956821
No retard, I think following rules from an entity that has complete power over me is mindless. The power dynamics of Christianity is what makes it such a fucked up religion. All of this is presented as a ‘loving’ relationship, with an entity that controls every aspect of your life. This is honestly the most abusive relationship imaginable, where one side has all the power and constantly gaslights you when he uses that power to convince you that it’s actually your fault he’s torturing you, and why don’t you love him more, and fail him constantly?

The more I think about Christianity, the more the whole religion comes across as just an abusive relationship with a narcissistic psychopath

>>17956613
Based

>>17956831
>>17956844
The thing you both are missing from this is that God is actually not at all as evil as you make Him out to be. God's actually quite kind & nice. If God were really evil we'd all be in trouble, but we're not.

>>17956856
Is that why he doesn’t bother with any of the suffering that’s going on on this planet? And won’t help us until we suck his dick in a testimony on how wonderful he is? And then still doesn’t help us, despite being perfectly capable to help us? And then presents the free will excuse to blame us for his own fuck ups, despite that the people in heaven also have free will, yet that isn’t a dystopian world filled with famine and war?

Every way I look at it, your God sounds like the most evil entity ever devised

>This is Gianni Vattimo. A self-proclaimed nihilist, catholic, post-modernist, homosexual, communist, and a former member of the European parliament. He believes the essence of Christianity is charity and unconditional love towards others and that secularization is better at achieving this (universal human rights etc). He opposes the Church's antiquated, absolutist dogma and it's persistent hold on absolutism in the age of post-modernism, after the death of metaphysics, where only interpretations exist.

>>17956894
>Every way I look at it, your God sounds like the most evil entity ever devised

Only because you cannot imagine a world beyond this one, one way or the other.

And this is the heart of all the atheist critiques, I've found. You're all trapped in materialism and a lack of imagination. Can you even conceive of the supernatural, of the miraculous, of the divine? Can you even imagine a component to the world that is beyond mere matter? Can you imagine what it would mean, to be raised from the dead, to have a life after death? Can you imagine what it is like, to be judged by a standard which is not of this world?

Can you lift yourself above the mere human, for a moment? Christ Himself rebukes Peter with these words: "You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do."

>>17956613
>Vattimo è stato accusato di antisemitismo, a causa delle sue dichiarazioni sul controllo ebraico di banche, dove affermava: "Ricordiamoci che la Federal Reserve è di proprietà di Rothschild e Rockefeller" (anche se la famiglia Rockefeller non è ebrea).

>>17956715
not even a communist myself but do you actually expect people to believe that obedience to what amounts to not much more than pretty sound moral principles and some community focused events is a bad thing for society just because you never grew out of your rebellious bourgeois mindset?

>>17956988
Out of curiosity, what are the moral principles of communism?

>>17956613
>On July 22, 2014, in response to the IDF military operation in Gaza against Hamas attacks on Israel, Vattimo said he would personally like to "shoot those bastard Zionists" and thinks Europeans should raise money "to buy Hamas some more rockets."[1] He expressed his willingness to go to Gaza and fight side by side with Hamas and asserted, when asked if he would shoot at Israelis, that: 'By nature I'm non-violent, but I'd shoot at those (of them) who bomb hospitals, private clinics and children.' Vattimo added that for him these were 'pure Nazis', the state itself a Nazi state (uno stato nazista) perhaps somewhat worse even than Hitler because in Israel's case, they have the support of the great Western democracies.[6]

>>17957095
From each man's ability to each man's need.

>>17956955
When humans discuss maths, logic and philosophy, they are effectively discussing, and conceiving, of supernatural things, for those things have never once been observed in this world. When those same people doubt your god, then perhaps your god, especially the god of a christian variety, is infact a mere fairy tale, a fable.

>>17956844
How is this even a relevant argument at all? The only thing that should matter is whether or not God is actually real. You don't seem to believe that, so the rest of the discussion is just a waste of time.
If he were real, then it wouldn't matter at all whether you considered him "abusive" or whatever, since ignoring him would land you in hell anyway. So why even discuss the issue?

Also
>power dynamics
is the most basedboy concept in existence. Power dynamics are an inescapable part of any human (or divine, I guess) relationship.

>>17957372
>When those same people doubt your god
>implying every notable scientist is a Dawkins or a Neil DeGrasse Tyson
Jesus, grow the fuck up. Just scrolling through Wikipedia should've put this retarded argument to rest.

>>17956656
>There are literally billions of Christians,
divided into thousands of competing groups who cant agree on dogma. Ring me up when they fixed that bug

>>17957613
It is exceedingly ironic that the person who cannot function without his bible stories and skydaddy is telling me to grow up.

>>17956656
Lmao and we have 7 billion people that think you're a faggot.

Guess Jesus was real and you're a fag.

>>17957600
>How is this even a relevant argument at all? The only thing that should matter is whether or not God is actually real. You don't seem to believe that, so the rest of the discussion is just a waste of time.
If he were real, then it wouldn't matter at all whether you considered him "abusive" or whatever, since ignoring him would land you in hell anyway. So why even discuss the issue?

Have you not heard of the Euthyphro dilemma? Few moralists, theistic or otherwise, are content with the idea of a God whose moral legitimacy derives from his power.

>Power dynamics are an inescapable part of any human (or divine, I guess) relationship.

Exploitative or tyrannical power dynamics are not, however.

>>17957349
More like from each man's ability to each man' SNEED.

>>17956621
So did a few other gods and avatars. I don't see your point.

>On July 22, 2014, in response to the IDF military operation in Gaza against Hamas attacks on Israel, Vattimo said he would personally like to "shoot those bastard Zionists" and thinks Europeans should raise money "to buy Hamas some more rockets."

absolutely based

>>17956613
>homosexual, marxist, communist, defend the down trotten, lunatics, Christianity is charity and unconditional love towards others
That's essentially what Christianity was when jews spread it around the Roman Empire as revenge for the destroying the second temple. Only around the time of the Lombard invasions the church pulled itself together (somewhat) and formed a functioning governing body becoming more conservative.
Now after the defeat of Pope Pius XII in WW2 it seems like the ancient jewish agenda took back control of Christianity and will now resume it's work on +200% estrogen.

>>17957320
He's so clueless.