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Who hurt you?

>>17956782
There are no academics worth their salt who believe in emotions. Emotions don’t exist. What you call emotions are just learned responses to different situations. Are you as happy with a new car as with a sunny day?

This is trure. I feel contentment after screaming at morons. (Like op)

>>17956782
>that post
>that image
Hopefully you'll grow out of this phase kiddo.

>>17956782
baby's first subjectivist thought "wow dude... if you think about it... sometimes bad thoughts.... can lead to good things man..... does that mean bad thoughts are fake?"

>>17956782
>I'm tired of normies and academics who think that "evil" or "bad" emotions exist
What academics? Have you invented someone in your head to get angry about again, OP?

>>17956782
OP, have you seen Star Wars I-VI?

only the good will is inherently good

>>17957185
The only reason i'm complaining about it while it may be "simple" it's because normies make a big deal due to the lack of nuance on the subject.
>>17957223
That is the perfect example of a narrow view on human emotions and their applications.

OP, you're clearly still in High School. This isn't even a retarded take, just a very adolescent one

>>17957248
whoa... so this... is the power... of christcuck philosophers...

>attributing accomplishments to a sentiment instead of to the person's own qualities

>>17957277
What are you on about? Subjectivity is the most normie position around, pretty much all professors are in some way subjectivists.

I will tell you a problem with the way you phrased your subjectivity: you are still judging things by their result of "goodness" they bring.
So if I were a passionate gambler with zero self control losing all my money and living on the streets for most of my life, but one day I get luck and win billions why does this make my lack of discipline good? Further, just because action traditionally seen as bad can lead to good results does not mean this thing isn't bad, or that there are no bad things. You are throwing out the baby because its' bath water is cold.

I would recommend you read more though, and stop posting anime pics. Subjectivity is for kids

>especially with women
Found the kissless virgin

johan posting doesn't make you look smart or deep. quite the opposite really. get your head out of your ass

anime ruined 3 generations of men

>>17957339
This is by far the most out of place response on the thread. Who is talking about morality here? And why you guys are obsessed with complexity? I'm literally talking about why having a narrow view on emotions is detrimental for society. I have many epistemological and axiological arguments to back up my view on morality as a whole but that's not the goalpost here.

>>17957056
Monster is unironically the best written anime and one of the best written shows in existence

>>17957248
Willing is an activity, and activities are pursued for their ends. Therefore, the good will is good only incidentally, for it derives its goodness from its end.

>>17957277
your own statement lacks nuance in the opposite direction.
Hate is a negative emotion because there is no control

>thread about empirical matters
>no empirical evidence from either side

>>17957383
And these arguments are...what exactly? Are you going to argue that conceptual polysemy requires an echoic frame which draws intersemiotically on embedded processing (essentially a nurture assumption)? Is your point that everyone's entire outlook is the byproduct of social circumstance? If so, that's something the average middle-schooler intuits.

>>17957383
you're the one with the narrow view retard.
Nobody older than 14 would say there is no moral implication connected to emotion.

>Bro bro if you think about it hate and love are like totally same bro
kys

>>17957383
What I'm saying is incredibly simple, nor did I bring up morality. You stated earlier:
>I'm tired of normies and academics who think that "evil" or "bad" emotions exist, that is utter nonsense there's no such thing as negative emotion. Take for example hate, an emotion that could drive you to achieve a goal and motivate you to stay strong and prepared for adversity.

I.E hate cannot be bad because it can motivate you which is good?..... Why should we encourage a warrior mindset if it's all subjective anyway? I was trying earlier to make you understand sometimes you can't just judge things by their moral outcomes, especially if you want to be a subjectivist.

>>17957431
a 'warrior mindset' is literally not even something born out of- or even remotely connected to hate.

OP is retarded just let this thread die

>>17956782
I remember my edgy thirteen year old phase. I was angry that I didn’t get an iPhone 3g. Good times.

>>17956782
>If you ask me people are afraid at the most mininum sign of disagrement because their are mentally weak and incompent and you can see this especially with women. We need to encourage a warrior mindset not a slave one if we want to improve society.
Are you saying that weakness and servility are negative, bad, or evil mindsets that we have to uproot from society?

>>17956782
>Take for example hate, an emotion that could drive you to achieve a goal and motivate you to stay strong and prepared for adversity. Nietzsche did make a good point about why we should strive for passion and let reason be a complement.
A hate movement can just be really destructive and self-destructive, it immolates itself as the participants give into their most atavistic urges, just like a concentration camp commandant reading Goethe and listening to Beethoven because that was "their culture" without really understanding the value in it -- they just were consumers of that culture.

And that's exactly what Nietzsche took a giant shit on, the superficially educated men who consume trophies of "culture" or half-absorbed knowledge from Wikipedia which they feel gives them license to blabber on about anything. Paraphrasing Gramsci, "As such, he is all too susceptible to becoming a reactionary, a defender of the established status quo, a hopeless decadent. These attitudes would be benign if they were not also affected with a fatal arrogance that breeds a dangerous politics."

>Culture is something quite different. It is organization, discipline of one’s inner self, a coming to terms with one’s own personality; it is the attainment of a higher awareness, with the aid of which one succeeds in understanding one’s own historical value, one’s own function in life, one’s own rights and obligations.

https://youtu.be/Ct_Fu9o6Ac0

Confused by this thread. The meat and bones of what OP said is not particularly edgy, just uninformed, and couched in an unearned tone of superiority (and peppered with non-sequiturs about warrior mentality). The idea that emotions are not in themselves good or bad is not a remotely strange or controversial viewpoint. Avatarfagging as the fag from Monster and acting like his opinion is cringe, yeah, but it's his behaviour that is adolescent, not his (unremarkable) point of view. I mean, if you adjusted it a little, there wouldn't be a problem. For instance if he said he dislikes what he perceives as the widespread assumption that some emotions are in and of themselves bad (rather than saying that "academics" -- which ones? -- push this).

>>17957476
>just like a concentration camp commandant reading Goethe and listening to Beethoven because that was "their culture" without really understanding the value in it -- they just were consumers of that culture.
Someone has read their Jean Amery

>>17956782
Stop caring about what other people think.

>>17957428
Fair. I should have said i don't want to focus on the moral implications in THAT moment.
>>17957428
I said emotions should not be the subject of cririticism because their are simply a medium than can be useful on some situations. Also i'm not a moral relativist i simply think morality is just a protagorean value system and the closet ideology that can describe my idea of morality it's the nietzchean vitalism.

>>17957488
Culture is consumption - 'art' is just a commodity in the rebel sell.

>avatarfag

>>17957423
Linda Hutcheson and Jürgen Habermas.

>>17956913
retard

>>17956913
Soulless onions bugboy

>>17957339
Why do you talk about subjectivism in philosophy when you obviously know nothing about it? It has nothing to do with what normies and kids think.

>>17957493
Says the anon who cares enough about what other people think to browse an imageboard, read the thoughts of others, and respond to OP in an attempt to alter his thoughts.

>>17956913
You don't learn shit, it's innate. Did I learn to be happy with my new car? Or did a baby learn to be happy when fed?

Also, your analogy makes no sense, of course you are not equally happy and everyone agrees with that. That's not up for debate.

YWNBAW

>>17957409
the best written anime ever is still just anime

>>17956782
Most people don't care nor discuss this topic. You are making something out of nothing. It seems you have a normal understanding of emotions, but this is profoundly wrong. Emotions are not passing or grasped to cater to motivation, but are seminal in a person's life. You will most likely never feel hate or love or joy or sadness because they are not often found. This is why great art concerns itself with these seemingly simple emotions, why Nietzsche argues to live passionately, because they are so rare and so defining.

>>17956782
>I'm tired of normies and academics who think that "evil" or "bad" emotions exist, that is utter nonsense there's no such thing as negative emotion
no one thinks this

>>17960765
misread the entire first part of the post lmao, you are retarded

>>17960757
>You will most likely never feel hate or love or joy or sadness because they are not often found.
I find that notion absurd, almost naive. Unless you're referring to an extreme degree of emotion I don't see how most people won't find their lives touched by sadness or hatred at some point in their lives.

>>17956782

for God's sake get some sex

>>17956913
Motherfucker what are you on about? This is the most psuedointellectual take I've seen on this fucking board.

>>17956782
Oh my God, you are so right! If I wanna punch my mom in the face and use sublimation to make a fucking painting of me doing that instead, then negative emotions must be bullshit! I DON'T NEED MY MEDS NO MORE MOM, BECAUSE EINSTEIN OVER HERE TOLD ME SO!

>>17956782
>especially with women
>warrior mindset
>people ... are mentally weak
I can't take your post seriously lol

bump

>>17956782
Good and evil have an absolute reality. People like you who spread Lies of nihilism should be executed. I would courageously plunge the sword into your blackened heart. Go eat shit in hell.

>>17956913
I don't even know where the fuck you're coming from with this.

>>17957342
A lot of "incel" thought is correct but you'll only hear it from people who don't care about their chances of getting laid.

>>17957277
>>17957330
>>17956782
>>17957383
just forget the taste of coffee bro

>>17957185
Are you mocking a curiosity for knowledge?

Emotions are real just like drug states are real and quantifiable with recording of them worldview, cross culture.

literal emotions themselves are obviously not good OR evil and even after emotions give way to evil thoughts, they STILL arent evil.

the realm of "evil" should be reserved for actions, but its almost impossible to do that because our experience of emotion in to thought in to action is just human existence boiled down to its base components, thus trying to tell someone that they arent inextricably linked is just not going to work.

i guess what im saying is OP managed to turn an interesting subject in to being shit on because he is autistic or 14

>tried to watch monster like four times
>can't get past episode like 20 because it gets so fucking boring

>>17956782
have sex

>>17956782
>that could drive you to achieve a goal and motivate you to stay strong and prepared for adversity
why would that even a good thing?
achieving "a goal" could be detrimental to others around you therefore for them your "hate" is a negative and not just a net positive like you're implying it to be

>>17965328
Read it
>>17956782
Read a book, like any book, good first step

>>17956802
Why are you talking to a mirror?

>>17956782
Urasawa really filtered you, huh?

>>17956782

>>17956913
Soulless jew detected

>>17956782
and this is also why meditation in its modern sense and any sort of SSRIs are lobotomy

What is the best insight for actually writing emotion into your yarn?

>>17956782
Do you read books or just watch anime