/lit/ - Literature

>>18067244

>>18067244
I'm redpilled after reading Che Guevara's book about his revolutionary attempt in Africa. Niggers are subhuman and can't be helped.

>>18067244
Nazbol gang
>>18067252
Based

>>18067252
Have you read Big Bill? He covers the US federal reserve, and Andrew Jackson's assult against it.

>>18067268
No, does it name the jew? If so I'll read it.

"It is difficult to predict the extent of self-government which the man of the future may reach or the heights to which he may carry his technique. Social construction and psycho-physical self-education will become two aspects of one and the same process. All the arts – literature, drama, painting, music and architecture will lend this process beautiful form. More correctly, the shell in which the cultural construction and self-education of Communist man will be enclosed, will develop all the vital elements of contemporary art to the highest point. Man will become immeasurably stronger, wiser and subtler; his body will become more harmonized, his movements more rhythmic, his voice more musical. The forms of life will become dynamically dramatic. The average human type will rise to the heights of an Aristotle, a Goethe, or a Marx. And above this ridge new peaks will rise."


This is what retarded Communists actually believe.

>>18067286
Lol

>>18067283
Idk what he's you're talking about. Like a lot of socialism, the book is preHitler, so it's probably not overtly anti-semitic. Its not natsoc in the hitler sense

>>18067286
>>18067309
Can't a man have hope for the future?

>>18067268
But also it's a breeze of a read

>>18067286
lmfao bruhhh

>>18067286
>rise to the heights of Marx
>died poor and a drunk

Truly worth aspiring towards.

>>18067286
This is literally the conclusin to a text of sociology, literary criticism, and political polemics. Reading the conclusion without reading the rest of the book is just ignorant

>>18067254

>>18067369
Shouldn't the conclusion be able to stand on its own without sounding delusional?

>>18067390
If you quoted the concluding chapter, perhaps, but this is just the last paragraph of the last chapter of the book. Just go read it, don't get filtered by Trotsky of all people

>>18067401
What kind of context is in the rest of the chapter that will make it sound less retarded?

>>18067386

>>18067415
Just read the book. It's about the kinds of social relations and material conditions necessary for the development of the Commune. He attacks bourgeois art that makes people delusional and out of touch with reality and themselves. Plus, it's not that rediculous to think that people, in their self development, wouldn't look up the material science of the right kind of food to eat/exercises to do.

are communists the ultimate pseudo-intellectuals?
>over 100 years and no one has figured out how to actually implement communism and no one is actually offering solutions to this problem
>people still believe they have some sort of moral/intellectual high ground for circle jerking over a non-functional ideology because the theoretical outcome that will never happen sounds like totally cool and logical so how could you not be communist?
I just dont get it lads, at this point is worse than a faith based religion

>>18067453
>>over 100 years and no one has figured out how to actually implement communism and no one is actually offering solutions to this problem
China is saving a lot of money for their upcoming commie fantasy in the 2030s. Maybe they figured it out. We'll see.

>>18067445
What's the title?
>He attacks bourgeois art that makes people delusional and out of touch with reality and themselves
Sounds like projection to me
>Plus, it's not that rediculous to think that people, in their self development, wouldn't look up the material science of the right kind of food to eat/exercises to do.
A minority perhaps, but not on a massive scale. In fact only under national socialism did that happen, funnily enough.

>>18067461
yes yes Im sure Xi and the state capitalist oligarchy will turn over the means of production to the workers any day now.

>>18067470
It's literally in the OP. Literature and Revolution, by Leon Trotsky.
There's also the possibility that Hitler used Trotskys ideas, like Stalin did. The red terror, the large scale media terrorism, influenced Stalin. and maybe even this book, influenced Hitler. Both trotsky and Hitler lived in Austria at the same time, and they knew of each other (trotsky had written warnings of hitler that the Stalinists were too ignorant to listen to)

>>18067461
They unironically might have. Bertrand Russell viewed that the USSR, at least in theory, would achieve homogony like an oriental country (Theory and Practice of Bolshevism)

>>18067365
Kek

>>18067494
>It's literally in the OP. Literature and Revolution, by Leon Trotsky.
Oh I should have known lmao
Yeah that wouldn't surprise me if that were true, I'll check it out

>>18067526
I look forward to your criticisms

>>18067244
Max Stirner & Nietzchea gave me everything I needed to know to hate communists and communism.
Like Bukharin, Trotsky was just controlled opposition against Stalin. There wasn't a single Bolshevik that wasn't just opportunist scum. Trotsky was the one who called the militarization of labor, basically slavery, to enforce communism, and he wrote the theoretical justifications for terrorism under the Bolshevik Regime. His suppression of the Kronstadt rebellion gives you all you need to know he would have been just as terrible as Stalin. Stalin did one thing right, and that was kill Trotsky.

>>18067753
>controlled opposition against stalin
controlled by who? the jews? Trotsky was an atheist, not exactly friendly with religious jews.
i agree that Bolshevism was a horrid example of communism, but that's not the only example of communism.

try reading the book in the OP and get back to us.

i'll add another book people probably don't know about from American communists. a bit of a surrealist

>>18067244
Communists why should I embrace your gay form of internationalism and fight for open borders to let Somalis pour in here when I could just be nazbol gang?

>>18067929
because you get to travel to other places with open boarders

>>18067313
19th century socialist works are very often antisemitic, although it's usually not race based.

>>18068207
like who? i'm mostly familiar with americans, probably different in europe i guess

>>18067254
I read a takedown of this old meme, but I didn’t save it. You’re just a trolling bluepilled poltard

>>18067929
Open borders is a liberal thing. Internationalism in socialism is prosperity for all. People will want to stay in their homelands when the boot of the banksters is off them

Just listening to this.
https://youtu.be/PtHX23Trvy4
Nazzibowl hasn't got anything on this

>>18068272
>decolonize
every time i hear this term i think of colonizer academics trying to pass their neocolonialism off as social justice praxis and i want to fucking die

>>18068234
Even a charismatic revolutionary like Che, with additional guerrilla experience couldn't organize those blacks to succeed. I believe he was very disappointed with the situation.

Post commie books

>>18068272
>Open borders is a liberal thing
Total cope. Basically every socialist/commie party, Lenin, Eugene Debs and every leftist I’ve talked to about this have supported open borders.

>>18068674
So you get to decide what it is and isn't a person or groups belief now? Say you are right, but this anonymous would then fall into another category. Semantics aside this anon does not stand for it, why you doubt them, and what they seek? Do you speak to all and then claim liar? Best keep your mouth shut then and save us time.

fuck off zoomers

What does /lit/ think of Castro?

>>18068740

'ate 'im. Tyrant. Commie. Long, boring speeches. Didn't die nearly soon enough like that Che bloke. Luv me family, luv capitalism, luv Thatcher, luv Reagan, luv Freedom, luv the Queen, luv God. Simple. As.

>>18068740
Castro? More like CHADSTRO
>Today we might remember Fidel Castro as an old man, but he was one of the most impressive people in the world back then. He forcefully deposed a brutal dictator with a band of rag-tag rebels. He turned Cuba into the Western world’s first Marxist country. He beat the Americans in an armed invasion by personally commanding the battle in a tank. He survived CIA coups and assassination attempts. He outlived two Kennedy brothers behind those attempts. He was smart, charming, and funny. He was 6'3, strong, and an athlete who sported the frame of an American football player. He looked like he could beat up any other word leader. He was full of bravado, confidence, and masculinity and smoked cigars like a baller.
So, he survived many assassination attempts and outlived his killers. Fucked a woman who was sent to kill him. Fucked two different women every day. Defeated the US.... Yea, I'm thinking he's the chadest dictator ever.

>>18068758
t. gusano

>>18068769
Based Castro poster
>>18068736
What are you mad at?

>>18068782
Just sexual frustration from these bonerjamz without a fadeout

>>18068769
>>18068775
I'm thinking we need to round up and start shooting communists again

>>18068272
>Internationalism in socialism is prosperity for all
aka red imperialism

>>18068792
You can try, gusano.

>>18068758
Dangerously based

>>18068674
Cubans are free to practice their medical skills around the world, but they go back home all the time. Open world is what global communism is. Stop being afraid of dark skinned people. It’s the banksters

>>18067244
> Stalinists/tanky thugs need not apply. Go wait for Hitler's revolution
What does this even mean?

>>18068812
>Cubans are free to practice their medical skills around the world, but they go back home all the time.
of course they go home, the borders arent "open"

>>18068805
I don’t like the statist approach, but China isn’t looking to invade with their version of neocolonialism. Global communism is as decentralized as you’re will to make it.
And it can’t get any more decentralized than direct democracy

>>18068812
What is "open world" without open borders?

>>18068826
The Cuban borders literally are open. There are plenty of Cubans, actual Cubans not Miami Cubans, living abroad like normal people. Nobody cares

>>18068826
That makes no sense.

>>18068825
“No tankies pls”

>>18068831
>Global communism is as decentralized
Global communism is centralized, that is the trend observed throughout history, increasing centralization of power structures and production. Communism will obviously follow this trend.

>>18068831
undermining other nations to install a preferred friendly government is still imperialism no matter how try to dress it up

>>18068758
>luv capitalism
>luv Freedom
>luv God
All of those contradict each other.

>>18068832
A lovely book to describe it for you

>>18068845
sorry that's an insufficient answer, what does an "open world" mean if not open movement of people?

>>18068841

"No."

We know that it is pointless to try to get you out of your pathology. The only thing for you to know, then, is that there are those who correctly say

"No."

>>18068833
so open borders is not "a liberal thing"

If you support communism, socialism, in any capacity you should be unironically shot. There's no system more horrific, and destructive, than communism and socialism.

>>18068838
Chinese socialism is politically centralized and actually does less central planning than Wall Street does for their “socialism for the rich”

Communism is a dreamed of **commune**. IE anarchist utopia

>>18068852
Yes, they do contradict each other. You live in a mongrelized reality that doesn't quite make much sense when carefully inspected.

>>18068860

Good man, well said.

>>18068860
Socialism is compatible with democracy. See: social democracies in Scandinavia. Nothing wrong with it. Just Americans being brainwashed by capitalists. Communism is cancer, though.

>>18068868

>>18068852

>>18068863
>dreamed of
and that's about all it ever will be

>>18067244

>>18068859
What do you mean by open? It is a ‘liberal notion’ if you mean free travel and settling with no control. By open I just meant people can come and go freely without any abnormal restrictions on travel or working abroad. Cuban borders are about the same as any other nation

>>18068875
>>18068775

>>18068840
That is what the US has been doing. Right

>>18068850
A movement of people? Like vacationers? Don’t you like to travel?
https://youtu.be/7fYnfE5Cycg
No masses of immigrants fleeing debt ridden nation-states, anon. An end to it.

>>18068876
Because you’ll push the button for nuclear obliteration. I know.

>>18068863
>Chinese socialism is politically centralized and actually does less central planning than Wall Street does for their “socialism for the rich”
Dumb opinion
> Communism is a dreamed of **commune**. IE anarchist utopia
No. You aren’t butterfly, you’re some tranny masquerading as her. Butterfly is a terf, and thus can’t be so retarded as you. You speak like an anarchist tranny. Go dilate faggot. The real Butterfly is better.

>>18068888
>Because you’ll push the button for nuclear obliteration. I know.
holy cope. no one will have to nuke your imagined commune because it will never exist anywhere outside of your own head even if you successfully overturn a government and seize power

>>18068889
That’s not an opinion
I am a serious materialist and a that means not buying into transitioning from sex to sex.
The real “butterfly”, speaking, is an anarchist and I am still advocating anarchism here.

>>18068893
Now look who’s coping poorly. Conditions are headed that way, you just can’t seem them.

Did Moscow give Castro the launch codes or was he their bitch?

>>18068888
yes, precisely like the U.S. glad we reached an understanding

>>18068769
Personally I'm a monarchist but Castro was based as all fuck.

>>18068901
oh conditions are heading that way are they? does that mean you've "solved communism" and possess knowledge no other active communists have ever conceived of?

>Beginning in 1975 an epic battle was waged for the future of southern Africa. The Angolan people had just thrown off 500 years of Portuguese colonial brutality. Now South Africa’s white supremacist regime, spurred by Washington, had invaded Angola. Its goal: to impose a government beholden to Pretoria and imperialism.

>Angola’s government appealed for help. The response of Cuba’s leadership was immediate and decisive. A hard-fought war for freedom ended in 1988 at the battle of Cuito Cuanavale, with the crushing defeat of South Africa’s army by Angolan, Cuban, and Namibian combatants.

>This is the story of Cuba’s unparalleled contribution to the fight to free Africa from the scourge of apartheid. And how, in the doing, Cuba’s socialist revolution also was strengthened.

>Harry Villegas is a brigadier general of Cuba’s Revolutionary Armed Forces. He is known the world over as “Pombo,” the nom de guerre given him by Ernesto Che Guevara, at whose side he worked and fought in Cuba, the Congo, and Bolivia.

>>18068923
based Cuba, helping the ones in need

>>18068935
https://youtu.be/ZVdI-xbFNgw

>>18068911
The developments are currently headed for the dollar to tank. The world will make massive sociopolitical and socioeconomic shifts, the multipolar world will not take anymore shit from the US and the proxy wars should be winding down as they won’t be able to pay for it any longer. A madman can still start a nuclear war, but say we avert that. The citizens of the US will not take shit from the elites for much longer and they will not accept the impoverishment imposed on them any longer. That’s an opportunity for American socialism to take root (that is also an opportunity for bitcoiners)

>>18068950
More like basedcoiners if they’re the only alternative to a party of social control

>>18068952
>social control
Free economy is better.

>>18068901
And you know for a fact that conditions are headed towards anarchism not just another "fake" revolution?

>>18068970
Nothing is ever assured, but this >>18068950 is what’s developing

>>18068950
I would be worried about U.S. elites such as Pentagon lobbyist and current Secretary of State Antony "Blinzkrieg" Blinken trying to start a war if the Chinese and Russians figure out a way to move cross-border transactions off the dollar through a digital yuan or something like that. Yuan on the blockchain.

>>18068950
>an economic collapsed means the flaws of theorized communism will solve themselves and everything will just work out
do you even think before you post this asinine drivel?

>>18068983
>not happen pass!! No happe happe EVVVVVVAAARRRR
Same tired argument over and over and over and over again.
You probably advocate fascism or some shit.

>>18069001
...so you've solved the key flaws of communism, mainly the fact that structure requires force to hold it together and force means authority

>>18069013
You first need to solve the problem of your testosterone addled immature head.

You’re in the wrong thread

>>18068901
I'm pessimistic about anarchism but weirdly (but cautiously) optimistic about Marxism making a comeback. A completely unknown schoolteacher is the frontrunner in the Peru elections after the first round last week and could very well win the second round, in a country larger than Venezuela and important for the world gold and copper trade. Here's the fun part: his part explicitly describes itself as Marxist-Leninist and stans Cuba and Venezuela. You have to wonder the freakout happening behind the scenes and whether this will get out of control.

There are also important struggles in America but even radical leftists in America like to think of themselves as the protagonists of history when the buckling in the U.S. could end up snapping a "weak link" in the "chain" of global value production somewhere else down the line. Just a thought though

https://youtu.be/kYR2TPFxrJE

>>18069028
>He describes himself a ML
>He loves dictatorships
Wow, Peru is fucked.

>>18069018
LOL yea im thinking you're in way out of your intellectual depth here, as per usual. willful ignorance is a hell of drug

>>18069034
It has been for a long time. He's running against the daughter of the former right-wing death squad dictator who is sitting in prison for enforced disappearances, torture and rape crimes.

>>18069053
And Marxism-Leninism isn't known for having death squads, enforced disappearances and torture. Peru is now going to be even a worse shithole, and I'm not sure if we should take refugees from there. How fucking stupid do you think that marxism-leninism would be better than markets? Central planning doesn't work.

>>18069053
>commies trying to pull the moral high ground card

>>18069066
That's up to the Bolivian people to decide but Castillo hasn't called for Soviet-style central planning like Stalin in the 1930s or abolishing markets. The conditions are different. He has called for re-nationalizing the country's productive industries such as mining and oil instead of them being owned by foreign multinationals -- to their benefit, not the Peruvian people.

https://youtu.be/KdXZ4BCoTz0

>>18069074
>headcanon

>>18069074
If you want to play in the game, you don't get to be the referee. It's like if the team you're on is openly cheating, and accusing other people of cheating, and then when someone points this out you start flipping out and accusing them of doing ad hominem attacks and "whataboutism." It's truly sick.

>>18069083
Lmao, you're full of shit Castillo has connections to the Shining Path. You really think people will fall for this non-sense? So many innocent people are going to die because you are people are too stupid to realize your ideas are awful. The nationalization won't work, people will starve even more, and the country will fall into civil war. And when it does, you fucking retards will scream "IT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM.!!!!"

>>18069093
I'm not Peruvians. But if he wins, and the U.S. government doesn't respect the results of the election, and if they try any monkey business, the blood will be on their hands.

>>18069099
You're scum. Its incredible. You literally kill people, and then you blame the US. You should honestly die

>>18069108
You've completely lost the plot. You are working from a fundamentally flawed concept that has the purpose to divorce context from political discussion.

>>18069084
i guess that entire post was just in my head lmao
>the communist dictators are acktually good because they oppose the daughter of someone who used violence to suppress opposition

you people are so disconnected from reality. get your head on straight

>>18069111
No, you just need to be shot. You are fundamentally wrong for the simple fact of being a socialist. We have enough case studies from the failures of your policies to show they do not work. Just divorce yourself from life.

>>18069091
HAHA fuck the fact that you included a picture from a brutal authoritarian communist dictatorship in this post is what makes it priceless. thank you for making my night

>>18069028
I distrust representative government. If they’re any good, they get assassinated, if they stick around, they’re getting corrupt. Usually. People should take control of their own lives and not lend the power to such institutions. Encouraging development though.

>>18069116
There was a fascist coup in Bolivia in 2019 to overturn the results of a democratic election because they didn't like socialists being in charge. But they lost because people resisted. The people who are responsible for this are going to prison now. I don't believe in dictatorships or repressing people, but what do you do? If you want to play in the game, you don't get to be the referee and cry foul when your bluff gets called.

What do you expect is going to happen?

>>18069134
LOL what bluff was called here exactly aside from your/their attempt at claiming a moral high ground for completely hypocritical reasons?

>>18069153
You say "you just need to be shot." Thank you. You say: you don't have a right to your views, etc., you don't get to be allowed to run for office, you don't get to be allowed to take power if you win. But then we do win, and that justifies these coups, and then we beat the coups and put the plotters in jail and you cry "dictatorship!" Either get out of the game or stop refereeing.

>>18069160
>"you just need to be shot." Thank you. You say: you don't have a right to your views, etc., you don't get to be allowed to run for office, you don't get to be allowed to take power if you win
so marxist-lenninsim?

>>18069160
But you need to be shot. You're literally justifying mass murder, theft by the state for your utopian policies while stanning dictatorships like Cuba and China. You certainly need to be fucking shot. All you're doing is gaslighting, like every stupid commie, and diverting from the actual facts of what you are doing and how dangerous your policies are - you're scum.

>>18069129

This man is correct. To be an anarchist, or a communist, and so on, is to forfeit one's humanity.

>>18069177

Again, this man is correct. Continue speaking the truth to these wrongheaded pinko forms of life unworthy of life. You are morally correct in doing so.

Can't believe no-ones posted this yet

>>18070014

Why does this cartoon feature a man talking to himself as if they were two different people?

>>18070103
You posted it

>>18069177
>how dangerous your policies are - you're scum.
>just elected a senile racist tool of the war profiteers

And your use of the word “dictatorship” is egregious. Authoritarian, yes.

i know this is just some rightoid false flagging, but to all the actual left leaning people here; just move to a better website.

>>18071696
ie a website with strong censorship

>>18067244
Reminder that pretending to dissociate from "tankie thugs" does not fool anybody with above room temperature IQ

>>18071696
Yes, please leave

>>18071726
a website with users who at least know what it is they are having autistic raging fits about.

>>18068863
>Chinese socialism is politically centralized and actually does less central planning than Wall Street
Absolutely not true, China is amazingly based. Every communist should learn from China, stop being such a cringe 'anarchist' you dumb fuck. Anarchism is cringe.

>>18071696
Yes pls go

>>18068734
What? I wasn’t asking what Butterfly believed in, I said Communists believe in open borders then gave proof. Learn to read dumb Marxoid.

>>18068863
Anarchy is even dumber than communism

>>18068812
>Stop being afraid of dark skinned people. It’s the banksters
Yeah bankers/porkies using a mob made up in large part of dark people to crush any dissent.

>>18068831
>Global communism is as decentralized
Lol

>>18071807
Yeah, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos all have open boarders... you fucking retarded cuck

>>18067286
based utopist, we need this sentiment more than ever

>>18069053
Based Jap dictator

>>18069177
>stanning
I hate zoomerspeak

>>18071832
Again I cited socialist orgs in my own country not China. DSA wants open borders and they’re not even extremists.

>>18071807
>then gave proof
where? by simply stating something you think is true?
"open borders" is a useless and politically meaningless buzzword. socialism/communism is of course an international movement, that doesnt translate to thinking its a good thing that immigrants are exploited and used to grow the reserve army of labour.

"Capitalism has given rise to a special form of migration of nations. The rapidly developing industrial countries, introducing machinery on a large scale and ousting the backward countries from the world market, raise wages at home above the average rate and thus attract workers from the backward countries.

Hundreds of thousands of workers thus wander hundreds and thousands of versts. Advanced capitalism drags them forcibly into its orbit, tears them out of the backwoods in which they live, makes them participants in the world-historical movement and brings them face to face with the powerful, united, international class of factory owners.

There can be no doubt that dire poverty alone compels people to abandon their native land, and that the capitalists exploit the immigrant workers in the most shameless manner. But only reactionaries can shut their eyes to the progressive significance of this modern migration of nations. Emancipation from the yoke of capital is impossible without the further development of capitalism, and without the class struggle that is based on it. And it is into this struggle that capitalism is drawing the masses of the working people of the whole world, breaking down the musty, fusty habits of local life, breaking down national barriers and prejudices, uniting workers from all countries in huge factories and mines in America, Germany, and so forth.

America heads the list of countries which import workers. ….

The bourgeoisie incites the workers of one nation against those of another in the endeavour to keep them disunited. Class-conscious workers, realising that the break-down of all the national barriers by capitalism is inevitable and progressive, are trying to help to enlighten and organise their fellow-workers from the backward countries." - lenin

>>18071869
>where? by simply stating something you think is true?
As always commushits just refuse to read. Lenin who you just quoted supports it, as did Eugene Debs as do modern commie orgs. Not arguing this any longer as it’s clear neither of us are gonna change our minds.

Is he the most based online communist today?
Well read on philosophy, not afraid to be vulgar, influenced by Heidegger, Land and Dugin, hates breadtube and the western left, anti-coomcel pilled, Lysenko pilled, destroyed every single one that challenges him to debate, went viral in less than a month streaming, single handedly destroyed everyone on /leftypol/ that disagreed with him.

Damn bros... why is this man so based?

>>18071860
>DSA
the DSA is for cucks, Fuck the DSA. CPUSA 2036!

>>18071887
Lenin lied

>>18071904
I agree they’re cucked but they’re the most popular socialist org in the country to my knowledge.

>>18071887
>As always commushits just refuse to read
ironic since all you have to say is "they supported my buzzword dude! they did!" when presented with a more nuanced view.
to make it very simple for you: in a perfect world, open borders are good. the world however, is not perfect, and in this current world, open borders would also not be good.

now go ahead and actually read the lenin quote.

>>18071897
>single handedly destroyed everyone on /leftypol/ that disagreed with him.
Is leftypol even alive? I stopped going there because it seems like the users halved in just a few months.

>>18071897
he and his friends are all extremely based, sadly at least haz has completely fallen into being just another e-celeb trading more in spectacle than actual discussion. hes smart and well-read, but much of that doesnt come through when he spends 30 minutes calling some liberal a cuck over and over.
and please anon dont post infrared here. we dont need the 4channel crowd to find out about them.

>>18071937
I think posts need to be approved now
That’s bureaucracy for you

>>18071935
I have read the Lenin quote and I’m aware of the communist line that immigration is caused by exploitation, etc. Still doesn’t actually solve any concerns I have.
You guys really need to drop the “hurr you disagreed must’ve never read X” shtick, as I’ve probably read more commie theory than most modern communists.

>>18071937
Leftypol split due some drama between the mod team and site owner. Now there is leftypol.org and bunkerchan.net

>>18071948
>haz has completely fallen into being just another e-celeb trading more in spectacle than actual discussion.
I guess, but that doesn't make him any less knowledgeable
>we dont need the 4channel crowd to find out about them.
They will find out about him sooner than later

>>18071970
what are those concerns then?

>>18071992
>I guess, but that doesn't make him any less knowledgeable
thats true of course, but much less of that knowledge is getting through to anyone when all they can hear is "KEK KEK YOUVE BEEN DESTROYING KEK"
it didnt always used to be like this, in their first few streams they were always very calm and collected. i guess thats what such a rapid rise to relative "fame" can do to someone.
>They will find out about him sooner than later
i doubt it. the people here cant even distinguish liberals from leftists and literally do not know what words like communism mean. i dont think people only interested in talking about jews, trans and black people will look for some streamer talking about a philosophy and marxism.

Posadism is a tendency within Trotskyism that follows the beliefs of 'J. Posadas'[note 1] (1912-1981). 'Posadists' are organised in a number of national political parties and internationally as the 'Posadist 4th International'.[1]

Posadists were once notorious on the far left for their cultish devotion to their leader and their bizarrely positive views on nuclear war. They became more of a laughingstock as they delved into ufology (with a distinct Commie spin!) and New Age babble, and today Posadism is nothing but a meme ideology comparable to /leftypol/'s "Nazbol Gang". To be fair, Posadas went more than a little weird after getting tortured.

>>18072222
Ufology

The Posadists were also notorious in their heyday for delving into ufology, looking for extraterrestrials to come down to earth to solve its problems. What was striking and unique about their particular interest in UFOs was how they fit it into their Marxist determinist view of the world. The Posadist analysis of UFOs went:

UFOs are evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial civilisations.
Since advances in society come about from advances in technology these extraterrestrials must come from a more advanced society than earth’s (i.e. a socialist society).
Extraterrestrials have not landed because they see earth as too primitive for them, being divided only between capitalism and a deformed, bureaucratic type of socialism.[note 3]
Nevertheless, we must appeal to them to land and ‘collaborate with the inhabitants of earth to overcome misery’.[3][15]

One former Italian Posadist is adamant that the ufology was never of major importance to them, and that appealing for nuclear war was of much greater concern.[7] Thus, the common characterization of Posadism as a ‘UFO cult’ may be misleading. Nevertheless, it was the theories on flying saucers they became known for.[6] It turned them into a laughing stock, even in areas where they had once been powerful. A former Bolivian comrade described this, saying that other groups ‘used to make fun of us, calling us the “extraterrestrials” and so forth’.[16]

There were rumors that Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry was a subscriber to Posadas’s theories on extraterrestrials.[17] Although parallels between the series and the theories of Posadas have been picked up on,[3] the rumors have not been substantiated.[17]

Writing in the Fortean Times, Matt Salusbury suggests that Posadists' existing interest in technology led to the belief in UFOs, saying, ‘it was a short leap of the imagination from idolising the latest Soviet space vehicles to speculating about UFOs’.[3]
Other madness

As well as an enthusiasm for nuclear war and alien intervention, Posadists were known for holding other unusual views originating outside the left and fitting them into a Marxist framework. As time went on these took on a more New Age character. The most notable of these was the idea that humans can communicate with dolphins and probably other animals too, saying that Soviet work in the area would lead to ‘the harmonisation of human relations with nature’.[3] Other bizarre beliefs held by the Posadists included a fervor for water birthing and the belief that humans will ultimately reproduce asexually ‘like amoeba’, curing ‘miserable, abominable sexual excitement’.[3]

What is notable about these beliefs, as Matt Salusbury points out, is that they always existed alongside more mundane concerns, such as the support for a dustman’s strike in the British section’s newspaper.[3]

>>18068805
It's almost as though no one is willing to read the book in OP. Self-government is the goal, statism is just a means (a debatable means, but a means none less) to an end

>>18068825
Tankies are people who dogmatically defend marxist states whether they're liberatory or oppressive. In Germany, when Hitler was Campaigning, Stalinists would side with the nazi party because they claimed to be a workers party, while condemning actual communists like Trotsky and anyone who even resembled Trotskys politics. So a tankies would justify the Chinese treatment of minorities because they're "fighting terrorism" or whatever the state propaganda says

>>18068859
It is not "a liberal thing" in the American sense, because "liberal" in America is just anyone who supports the Democratic party. Literally nothing put out by republican propaganda is valuable. It's as bad as communist propaganda (most Neo-cons are excommunists). Open borders was literally a right wing libertarian position for a long time, because it decreases the cost of labor

>>18068860
>Not being able to see the irony in this literally act of premeditation.
It won't be manslaughter when you get sentenced.

>>18067453
maybe having a strong ideal helps us act upon reality, even if we never reach the ideal? i think that our laws, norms and institutions would be completely different if the idea of communism didnt exist.

it's normie-tier, but it's a good example of the relationship between leftist parties of the 1930s and how the Bolsheviks enacted their will internationally.

>>18072362
wow anon you are the only one here who knows that liberal doesn't just mean the american democrat party im glad you took the time to clear that up
>>18072322
wow anon you are the only one here who knows that communism has theoretical utopian end goals im glad you took the time to clear that up

christ i hate you people sometimes

>>18072688
oh i fully agree that people like marx put forward criticisms of capitalism that had a positive impact on society, that doesn't mean i wont be fully comfortable with you being persecuted if you actively want to tear apart society for your non functional meme ideology

This is legitimately the lowest IQ thread I've ever seen on /lit/

>>18067244
Read a real book

>>18067453
Are you aware that China exists?

>>18072967
you mean the hyper authoritarian state that treats its working class people like animals in a factory farm and in no way puts the means of production in their hands or breaks down class barriers?

>>18073042
yes, i think he means them anon
>>18072782
>wow anon you are the only one here who knows that liberal doesn't just mean the american democrat party im glad you took the time to clear that up
i hope i helped and you're being legit and not sarcastically trashing me

>>18072917
like what?

>>18072917
still waiting anon

Stop reading W*stern "Marxists", start reading based Slav Eastern Marxists.

>>18068812
So how many black guys have you been with Butterfly

>>18067494
>warnings of hitler that the Stalinists were too ignorant to listen
Wasn't Hitler, at this point, just some officer?

>>18075340
Dated a black woman once. Didn’t go anywhere.

>>18071826
>>18071809
You don’t know what the words mean yet, so stop talking about them.
>>18071816
Yuhu. And don’t we want this to stop?

>>18068881
Wew lad

any experience with bordiga? is he legit or a meme?

>>18075689
Bordiga said he only hated Stalin not because he killed so many people, he argued he didn't actually achieve socialism.