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The only honest artists are those who get no fame

>> No.18161036

>>18160239
give me a link, i want to read it

>> No.18161530

link it

>> No.18161559

Nobody cares because you got nothing of the sort

>> No.18161619

>>18160239
nah you just suck

>> No.18161681

>>18160239
Apollo was the god of poetry not hermes

>> No.18161695
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>>18161681
He was the god of bad poetry

>> No.18162506

>>18161619
It won an award in my department. What I mean is all the film and art students have all this fame for dishonest work and nobody in undergrad gives a shit about Hesiod. I put so much work into a project nobody cares about other than a few nerds in the whole country

>> No.18162661

Post the abstract.

>> No.18162667

>>18162506
Drop a link desu, I like Hesiod

>> No.18162764

>>18160239
Faulkner's novels were mediocre until he decided he didn't care what the public/critics thought. He decided to write a novel for himself and holed up in his house, only emerging once he had written The Sound and the Fury. It was when he gave up on gaining recognition that he was able to produce one of the greatest works of literature ever made.

>> No.18162992

>>18162661
>>18162667
No because I don’t want to doxx myself.
The core of the thesis is a commentary on the Myth of the Ages in Works and Days as a transhumanist text where the heroes transcend humanity by having a perfect human life on the isle of the blessed. When we look at modern transhumanist thought we are trying to become less human not refine our humanity.

>> No.18163166

>>18162992
post it and stop being a faggot

>> No.18163204

>>18162992
You're certainly more well-read than me in this area, but doesn't your argument depend on your definition of what it means to be human? Most modern transhumanist endeavors aim to take existing human traits (intelligence, memory, vision, endurance, etc.) and augment them. Couldn't that be construed as a mission to increase our humanity, not lessen it?

>> No.18163213

>>18162992
Cringe.
Amy Ireland stop writing.

>> No.18163250

>>18163204
I talk mostly about what Hesiod thinks a human is. He uses meropon anthropon to describe every race but the demigods, so it is clear he thinks they are something else. It is interesting that the posthumanism of the demigods is achievement based. Hesiod describes the perfect existance as the golden age, but they get destroyed and lack the agency of humanity. By using agency you earn the perfect existance which is inherently nonhuman as the perfect human would not be human. It’s hard to sum up 40 pages in a post lol I’m also drunk rn

>> No.18163281

>>18162992
>waaah, no one cares about my thesis
>No I won't share it with you

Fucking faggot.

>> No.18163300
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>>18162992
>>18160239
>Myth of the Ages in Works and Days as a transhumanist text
ngmi

>> No.18163519

>>18163281
I don’t care if you guys care. I’m talking about how someone can paint some lines and everyone treats them like a genius when I spend months on a paper and people think I’m a nerd

>>18163300
Read it idiot

>> No.18163866
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>>18163519
Do you think the academic paper you wrote on a fad topic for university is a timeless work of art? Cool.

>> No.18164749

>>18162506
>wins an award
>nobody cares about me
then you're just bitter and people obviously do care. it's just not enough for you. either change your line of work to something that will stroke your ego or accept that you went into an area that has pretty much zero popularity among the masses
>writes about Hesiod
>surprised when no one but fellow Hesiod nerds cares
what did you expect?

>> No.18164876

>>18161681
Apollo wrote mortal poetry. Thoth was the Scribe of the gods.

>> No.18164887

>>18163519
>I don’t care if you guys care
You clearly do or wouldn't have posted this. What's your views on Rumi?

>> No.18165840

>>18163866
Not what I said

>>18164749
A few people do care and I appreciate it. I just wish more of my peers acknowledged the accomplishment

>> No.18165901

>>18165840
>A few people do care and I appreciate it
then your thread title should have read ' I'm a sour grapes faggot that never feels validated.'
People read and appreciated your work. What more do you want? Why do you want fame? Do you love what you do? If yes, you wouldn't care if 2 people or 2 million people read it. If no, change your line of work

>> No.18166287

who gives a shit about fame when you're making great art

>> No.18166361

>>18165901
As a uni undergrad it would be nice if girls cared 1/3 as much about my thesis as some idiots edgelord film project

>> No.18166369

you pursuit your passions, doesn´t matter if that makes popular or not, if you don´t like it, don´t do it

>> No.18166374

>>18166361
>all this whining because he isnt popular and getting laid
consider, friend, that if you weren't you then the women would be fawning over how refined and intellectual the non-you is for writing a thesis.

>> No.18166379

>>18166374
this, Emil Cioran wrote pesimist philosophy and he got laid regularly

>> No.18166393

>>18160239
>The only honest artists are those who get no fame
While that is factually true, it is just a cope and stems from massive resentment/envy. Of course nobody cares about your thesis. A thesis is the most irrelevant thing there is, existing as a sort of pyramidal system by a group of people who desperately cave superiority yet lack the talent to actually write or contribute, create art. It is a narcisstic fart into an empty hall full of empty egos. Just think of your thesis again. Read what it is about out loud and answer honestly to yourself if it is something the world does need. It will not move a heart. It will not remain. It is a useless waste of sand, writing your name on shore as the waves roll in. People will appreciate art because it offers a sense of beauty to their existence and alludes them to the hope of meaning. A thesis however, and especially yours, is adding nothing to their life. Ideas abstract yet barely creative, fueled by academic introjection, dishonest and narcissistic, written with no pure intent, leaving nothing behind.

>> No.18166407

>>18166393
goddamn nigga, I was insulting the guy too but you don't need to get this unjustifiably nasty

>> No.18166419

>>18166361
>As a uni undergrad it would be nice if girls cared 1/3 as much about my thesis as some idiots edgelord film project
If that's what you want I have no other choice but to tell you that you need to change your line of work. Girls are stupid and vain. They don't care about the things I'm passionate about either. If pussy was my sole motivation, I wouldn't write about Hesiod. Idk man maybe give feminist writing a try. You apparently have scholarly skill. If you want fame, write about shit that's in the Zeitgeist

>> No.18166424

>>18166407
It's not nasty it's truth.

>> No.18166486
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>>18166374
Girls do fawn over me and when I say I wrote a thesis they are impressed and show interest and seriously ask me about it. The issue is the subject matter is alien to 99.99% of people so when I talk about it they lose interest and get mad. Its not just girls my male peers too. The dishonesty is palpable.

>>18166393
It’ll get me into a tier one grad school, I enjoyed writing it, and actually I think it is important as it looks at a modern issue through a diffefent lense. I will admit that overanalyzing 3000 year old poetry down to the word is masturbation, but oh well

>>18166419
I just tell girls I study the thing the guy in Call Me By Your Name does and they love it until I start talking about how Hesiod’s word choice is paradoxical

>> No.18166499

>>18166486
>I just tell girls I study the thing the guy in Call Me By Your Name does and they love it until I start talking about how Hesiod’s word choice is paradoxical
read what you just wrote. if you think about it long enough you'll see that there's something you do that turns girls off. just don't do that.

>> No.18166513

>>18166486
>The issue is the subject matter is alien to 99.99% of people so when I talk about it they lose interest and get mad. Its not just girls my male peers too. The dishonesty is palpable.

well, the things normies talk on a daily basis are boring too but they put emotion to the words so other normies are excited about it, same thing with your thesis, if you spoke in a way that´s interesting and exciting, i´m pretty sure they will appreciate your effort

>> No.18166576

>>18166486
>>18160239
anon...
I too am a salty academically oriented person who feels bad because no one cares about my work. but I examined myself and now I realize that I don't care about other people's work either, except on a surface level. I only care about other people's work insofar as they are willing to present it to me and to the extent that their presentation is itself interesting and filled with vitality, or to the extent that I can use their work in my own life to forge my perspective. how can we expect others to care about us when we don't care about them? of course our work is disregarded when it is filled with that shallow self-love. in order to have others love our work we must present it in a way that others will love. it must be translated from the technical historical and metrical terms that make us love it and rendered again in terms that draws the attention of others. otherwise it simply won't draw them in. you must convince them that your work is important and relevant to them, because they love themselves. they won't convince themselves for you

>> No.18166673

>>18163250
>meropon anthropon
What does this mean?

Btw I noticed that like all the Greek gods never learn shit - they just do the same thing over and over again. They’re more of a personality in a bottle. Is this what you mean by being not human?

>> No.18166678

>>18160239
My ex high school teacher (female young) was/is writing a thesis on an EXTEEMLY specific, and very much lost and forgotten, part of ancient greek poetry which I happen to have a very very personal(I cannot stress this too much), particular, great interest in, I had it before I met her. The subject is pretty much one of the very few things (perhaps the principal of things) in the world that I truly and honestly give a shit about, its one of the things I am obsessed with and I believe it will lead me to a greater understanding of the world and myself, whatever that might entail. I think I should contact her but can hardly bring myself to.

>> No.18166686

>>18165840
>I just wish more of my peers acknowledged the
They won’t because it takes a lot of reading and understanding before even reading your paper to appreciate it. We’re in an age of specialists.

>> No.18166704

>>18166678
Do it faggot. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

>> No.18166723

>>18166576
Aptly put.

>> No.18166732

>>18166678
If you don’t, I will contact her and impregnate her.

>> No.18166758

only dishonest people are living muds

>> No.18166849
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>>18166499
No. I would be removing the actual work from my work and turning it into a tool for tail chasing. That is dishonest.

>>18166513
I have emotions asshole

>>18166673
It kind of means mortal men, but we don’t have an exact definition for meropon.
That isn’t what I mean by not being human. I mean that they secure the perfect human life and the theme of the myth of the ages is humanity’s imperfection and decline so they escape that

>>18166678
Cringe. I am the most based poster on this board

>>18166758
Goo goo brainlet. Begone cia

>> No.18166869

>>18166849
>turning it into a tool for tail chasing
i thought that's what you want. aren't you jealous of those that are dishonest? You're incomprehensible anon. I suggest you go into analysis with a qualified analyst.

>> No.18167483

>>18166869
It is what I want, but not if I have to change it. Dumbass

>> No.18167554

>>18167483
like i said you're incomprehensible and don't know what you really want. go into analysis

>> No.18167568

>>18160239
Nigger just fucking POST THE LINK
STOP BEING SUCH A PUSSY

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>>18167554
Your iq is shockingly low

>>18167568
See pic

>> No.18167806

>>18167754
>Your iq is shockingly low
kek. jesus christ op. you got some nerve

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ITT: OP crying because no one cares about a subject to which they cannot relate

>> No.18167881

Do you expect anons to feel sorry for you, OP?

>> No.18167901

>>18160239
>nobody cares about my thesis on post modernism and its effect on modern conversations

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>>18166849
>cries about girls not paying attention to him
>he thinks he´s based

>> No.18168009

Also I guess this is it. I don't know why no one in the thread could find it took me all of 5 seconds.

https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=1CoNEAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PR8&dq=hesiod+and+transhumanism&ots=xQ1zKP3zO1&sig=Nxr0neNUCkRCI8zNmnM2w9VjvqU#v=onepage&q=hesiod%20and%20transhumanism&f=false

>> No.18168081

>>18168009
>Also I guess this is it. I don't know why no one in the thread could find it took me all of 5 seconds.
simple: no one cared

>> No.18168096

>>18168009
>>18168081
also, that may or may not be OP's, given that OP claims to be an undergraduate and described their thesis as being 40 pages. those details could be lies meant to throw us off but most likely OP is just lmaotier and retreading similar scholarly ground

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18168119

lmao these people seriously study rice

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>>18167806
Nerd

>>18167827
They could relate if they cared

>>18167922
I am

>>18168009
Not me lol

>>18168096
Looked at summary of chapter on Hesiod, covers other stuff than I do. All my work original

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>>18168150
ok, you´re embarrased because you were aware how cringe you are so you´re lashing out at the anons on this thread, how pathetic

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>>18168175
Imagine posting on an intellectual forum and unironically using the word cringe

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>>18168208
>Imagine posting on an intellectual forum and unironically using the word cringe

YES, how could you tell? either way, you´re still the moron of this thread

>> No.18168311

>>18168220
Cringe.
The morons of the threads are the ones writing paragraphs to respond to bad posts

>> No.18169838

>>18166849
???????

>> No.18169855

is this all fun to read

>> No.18170945

>>18162506
This guy just made this post to flex this award. He didn't wanna put it in op cuz the flex would be obvious so he just shoehorned it into his first response.

>> No.18170959

>>18166361
You're upset people don't care about your undergrad thesis?

>> No.18171992

god this awful thread is still going? have some sage