/lit/ - Literature

anyone have a good tldr for the subtle are of not giving a hoot?

>>18247529
A few are worth a read. But once you've read like 5 or 6 , you don't need to read anymore. Can't imagine being one of those people that reads nothing but self help books.

>>18247529
My HS crush owns the middle one.

I know those books are popular, because of people's different problems. But what causes people's problems? I think it's capitalism and lack of conservatism.

>>18247529
My gigachad friend read the middle one after entered college. He praised its like something that is profound and life changer. So I guess maybe its not so bad?

>>18247615
i bet that i could beat your gigasschad friend to death and before i do that, i gonna waterboard the fucker.

>>18247630
yeah..I guess?

>>18247529

Same. Atomic Habits is *ok* though.

My real gripe is how much all these self improovement gurus focus disproportionally on exercise and have fuck all for real life advice. As a dysfunctional NEET, getting regular exercise and staying in moderately good shape is the easiest fucking thing in the world. It's everything else that's hard.

>>18247567

> A few are worth a read. But once you've read like 5 or 6 , you don't need to read anymore. Can't imagine being one of those people that reads nothing but self help books.

People who are in management roles, mostly. Also the "self starter" type of entrepreneur who's always overexaggerating their successes. Some of the most soulless, vacant personalities I've ever encountered.

Opinions on addiction self-help books? Shit for porn/sex, smoking, etc.

>>18247567
>>18247882
Any list or recs of actually worthwhile self-help books?

Shit for social life, healthy habits and moderation.
Shit with actual science and applicable techniques.

>>18247976
Also Aristotle’s rhetoric and Smart Notes.

>>18247559
roommate read it and said it was mega bad. Didn't get a tldr but the tone of voice was enough

I've never read one, there's something so repulsive about them. especially the titles. They scream mediocrity
>>18247630
Based human murderer

>>18248182
>mediocrity
yeah, exactly, you're right about that. and im personally need help, but its just that i dont want to be part of the mediocrity and average.

>>18247976

Not a book but you might like Andrew Huberman's podcast. He's a neuroscientist who provides research backed insights on health and behavior.

>>18247529
Atomic habits is good because it have a semblance of scientific sobriety and a implementable frame. TSANGAF is stoicism-confucianism redux for the masses, thus irrelevant beyond a certain tier of intelectualism. The third one would be the one I cringe and pretend I didn't see if crossed with it in a library.

>>18247615
The only reason this book had this level of impact on your friend is that he only read this only book his whole life. It happens more often than you imagine

>>18248617
It does happen a lot, which makes me think how much better off I would be if I read a little bit less and acted a little bit more on what I take away from reading.

>>18248634
> I read a little bit less and acted a little bit more
Why not both? You can still read in the mornings or before bed

>>18248634
I mean, after some threshold of accumulated, not-acted-upon ideas in my head everything became so relative that I'm kind of paralyzed by it. What do I do, anons?

>>18248651
It's less about the time and more about the approach of being extremely theoretical about life. It's cool up to some point when it's not and you get stuck in an existential crisis.

>>18248708
Yeah, man, you solve that finding some problems. I'll give the same advice I gave at least a dozen times in this place: go to a rave, use some drugs, fuck some fat ugly chicks. You'll ward off the feeling you life sucks very fast.

Not a “self-help” book, but if you want to change, this book will help.

>>18248768
I don't feel that my life sucks. I just don't know to what use put it. I miss the autopilot, bros. Where's the blue pill? Give it to me. Now.

>>18248793
Purpose crisis, yes. Your life is so stable there's nothing to worry about. That's why I suggested sex and drugs. Problems will show up for you to solve very fast and it will make you wonder if you really want them.

>>18248151
JUST STOP GIVING A FUCK BRO

>>18248872
How alpha is this author to use swear words when writing. I wish I could be that ALPHA, guys, you know, testosterone and being alpha, bros, having balls, you know. Swearing and not giving a fuck. I dream to be like him when I grow up, when I'm a big boy, guys.

>>18247529
"Models" by Mark Manson was actually a great book for helping me learn to exit my comfort zone and do things like approach new people much easier. He was still affiliated with the PUA thing back then and the book was targeted towards men, but was not remotely like the fake "alphamale" bilge being published by idiots like RooshV. I first saw Models rec'd by somebody on Plebbit like 6 years ago, but put off seriously reading it until like 2018 when my best friend left my life, making me reckon with getting to know new people again.

After that book though, whether out of genuine goodwill or more marketability, he rebranded as a self-help guy on The Subtle Art. There are some kernels of good advice there and while better than a lot of people in that industry, its lack of personalized advice and the very generalized tone (now geared towards "everyone") which he adopted really left me cold.

"Models" is ever-so-slightly dated, but blasts any other book in that sphere out of the water. It's essentially about becoming more vulnerable to a point that you're able to confront whatever fears you have directly, and without faking anything. It's too bad Manson moved in that sanitized and de-masculinized direction (ironic considering the new titles) because his first one is the only self-help manual I can credit with actually doing its job.

Here's his old site BTW, some decent articles in the "best of": https://web.archive.org/web/20120802054902/http://postmasculine.com/))

I found that Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People" changed how I perceived interactions with people and made me really think about what I say and do. Obviously it isn't going to magically turn you into a charisma machine but you can get the best out of most situations if you know how to treat people and say the right things