/lit/ - Literature

Fang Yuan: "You are old. Uncle. Your great ambitions and aspirations have already disappeared from your youth. These years, you have lived an easy life and it has corrupted your heart. You are vying for the family assets, not for cultivation but to maintain your rich life. With such a mentality, how could you obstruct me?"

>always here to ritualpost his shitty chinese fiction within the first few posts
Get a life.

>>18293331
>stuck with stormlight archive books 2 even though i hate it
Should I drop it lmao

>>18293422
Yes, it only gets worse.

>>18274845
for whatever reason people either love the series or hate it. I couldn't put it down and am currently reading the three body problem for the 2nd time. Granted though the first book is very slow at first half. I love the scale of the series.

>playing my first ever litRPG
>reading my first ever LN series
>>18293422
It is unfulfilling.

>>18293422
If you're not enjoying it now you'll only find it worse, Sanderhack goes all in on the mental illness schtick and it just becomes monotonous.

>>18293422
Read wheel of time instead

>>18293259
>A song of ice and fire is Martin’s only claim to fame. He was obscure nobody, until recently.
Top fucking kek. Just because you hadn’t heard about him before doesn’t make him obscure. I’ll be the first to shit on GURM for his fuck ups but he’s been a working writer since the ‘70s in sff and Hollywood.

>>18293348
I hate the "power is everything" aspect of these books. What is the point of accumulating power if the only use for that power is to accumulate more of it?
Read Beware Of Chicken or Virtuous Sons on RRL for an actually interesting take on the power-hunger in Xianxia.

>>18294123
In this book "power" is essentially Gu-worms and Cultivator base. The goal is not power for power's sake, it is power for immortality's sake. Only immortality makes the suffering of life worth it. And in the protagonists view all suffering he inflicts on others is just as trivial as breathing. Even his own death is trivial; it means he did not push himself hard enough, did not live up to his potential.

>>18294172
I've read the first 50 something chapters. I liked Lord of the Mysteries and someone recommended this to me.
It didn't give me an impression that he was doing it all for immortality. Even if he is, what's the point? He is contemptuous of everything and everyone, I don't think he will ever form a meaningful connection with someone in the story. what's the point of just existing forever?

>>18294701
Nobody knows what immortality is like. It's a noble goal that the protagonist tries to achieve through actions that are anything but noble. People do make connections in this world, but the main character doesn't. The character growth is outsourced in many ways to his twin brother.

>>18294123
>What is the point of accumulating wealth if the only use for that wealth is to accumulate more of it?
Nihilism

I miss the Bakkerposters so much bros...
Do you guys have a discord or something? So sick of thread after thread of litrpg cultivation chinkshit nonsense

>bakkerfag is a discord tranny
sasuga

>>18293331
I read Diana Wynne Jones's Howl's Moving Castle and thought is was pretty good and comfy, are some of her other books worth reading?

If anyone wants a KINO alien invasion body horror government cover-up thriller check out the infected trilogy by Scott Sigler

>>18295082
Howl is a trilogy of loosely related books if you want to keep reading, I liked the 2nd one the most and the characters are recurring.

Otherwise her whole library is pretty great, Archer's Goon is a great standalone. I was reading Chestomancy and Dark Lord of Derkholm recently. Just fun comfy child fantasy.

>>18295028
Does it trouble you, anon, to know that bakkerposting burns in hell?

Chinese Century. Chinese board.

>israel beginning to get its tendrils into china
>chinkshit posting intensifies
What could it mean?

>The state of this general
Disgusting. Even Bakkerfags were better

If you haven't read 5000 Chinese works of literature, what are you even doing posting in this general?

>>18293485

>>18295028
Moënghus

>>18296085
>Scrutiny. Calculation. What did he mean by this?

i finished this earlier. blows my mind it was published in the 50s

About to read the first law stand alones. Any of them actually good?

>>18296056
chinks and gooks can't write and japs work better with images

>>18295348
That was a kick ass read.

>>18296208
Heroes is really enjoyable because of Ghorst. Best Served Cold is just good.

If you liked the series books you'll enjoy reading all of the standalone stuff.

>>18295348
The only thing making me skeptical about this series is the main character is a woman.

>>18297071
I'm finishing the 2nd book and there isn't really "a" main character other than maybe the insane ex football player. the woman doctor is just one of the main ones

>>18297264
And all in all it's pretty politically neutral with even some non-PC parts

Who /Greg Egan/ here?

>>18296085
> Kellhus? More like KellSUS
> - Drusas Achamian, Compendium of the First Holy War

Just finished the golden Fool. The book was very comfy. This book is like what Fitz's story would have been if his life didn't go to complete shit in the first trilogy. The Assassin's book dealt with themes of addiction, and I believe that's what you're seeing again here with this book. Except this is more like rehab. The character getting clean, and making amends, settling scores, restructuring the relationships in his life, and of course, making new mistakes. For once, I don't hate Fitz's ever decision. He's actually trying to make things work. Like REAL effort.

They talked about "Coterie" this, and Coterie that in previous books. And I thought it was simply just a group of people working together like a team. But in this book, seeing how the Coterie comes together, I get the point now. It's more than just working together. It's akin to a support group, where everyone with an addiction helps each other steer away from trappings of the addiction. They're never truly sober, because as long as they use the magic, they'll always feel the effects of addiction. But they can still support each other to stay as clean as possible.

The overall theme of this book is learning how to carry on, even after the mistakes you made. And not allowing your past mistakes to stifle your life so much that you stop living. I really can't put it in as good of words as Robin Hobb does. But I really felt the message of this one deeply. Not everything is fixed by the end of this book. But it still has this "freeing" feeling.

>>18297294
I gather the prose is shit?

>>18297402
oh yeah, I forgot to mention: Aren't these covers ridiculous? Makes the book look like a romance novel. And the fool doesn't even look like that.

>>18296207
Always found it funny he wanted to call it Tiger! Tiger!

>>18297402
I haven't read any books by Hobb. Who would you compare her to?

>>18297413
>Aren't these covers ridiculous?
Yes they are pretty lame, her covers in the 1990's were better but people will probably call me a dinosaur for saying fantasy book covers were usually better back then.

>>18297454
Hmmmmmmm.... It's hard for me to compare authors. They all have their own voices. But if I were forced with a gun to my head to compare her to anyone, it would be GRRM, except without the edginess, and with greater interest in magic.

She focuses on the character's feelings, and the internal thoughts of the PoV character. And she has a tendency to over explain things in a way that Brandon Sanderson does. But she's not as bad in that respect. Because her characters are more interesting, I'm more willing to deal with the explanations.
Things hardly ever go the way you think it's going to go. Most of the guesses I make about the story are wrong, because she'll take the story somewhere else. But it's never just plain shock value twists. It's all sensible logical stuff.

>>18297506
How is her prose? Ive been told she's quite similar to Feist in that sense.

Where is the best place to start with Arthurian legend?

>>18297540
>Ive been told she's quite similar to Feist in that sense.
That is a fair comparison I think, him or David Eddings is what come to mind, very 80's/90's feel to it in the best way.

>>18297402
Also forgot to mention, that it's interesting to me how the character Chade is working on this "new" explosive material. Essentially hinting that he's developing cannons or some kind of bomb using gunpowder. It's all very behind closed doors, so as the reader we don't really know, but he's probably making cannons.

But then part way through the book, he pretty much abandons the experiments, because he's so focused on pushing Fitz into his Skill Master role. Essentially focusing on using magic. It's almost like they're sparking magic anew in the world.

The reason I find this interesting, is that in Joe Ambercrombie's "A Little Hatred", you have the character Bayaz. Bayaz is essentially the "Chade" of that book. Also experimenting with gunpowder and making cannons. Except where they differ, is that Bayaz goes all in on the industrial revolution. More or less turning his back on developing new magic, as magic power wanes. It's as if Joe is snuffing out magic in his world.

When I finished A Little Hatred, I said there should be more magic. And now after reading The Golden Fool, by contrast, Joe's fantasy world feels jaded and negative.

>>18297478
The one on the left is perfect. But I guess trends change over time. I bet the left cover looked like every other fantasy book at that time. People back then were probably like "I'm sick of seeing these people on the cover.

>>18297540
lol I don't even really understand what "prose" is. I hate reading the word. Sounds pretentious as fuck.

>>18297553
The Once and Future King by T. H. White and Sword at Sunset by Rosemary Sutcliff for stand alone books.

For book series there's The Pendragon Cycle by Stephen Lawhead, The Arthurian Saga by Mary Stewart and The Warlord Chronicles by Bernard Cornwell.

>>18297631
this has to be bait

>>18297553
I think Malory then Pyle

>an entire civilization of delusion retards fail to kill two people for 700 pages

This was great.

Any opinions on "The Vorrh" by Brian Caitling?

It worth a read?

Is The Culture series worth reading/finishing?

>>18297687
>People can't really be this fucking stupid, can they?

Were you literally just born yesterday?

>>18296056
I doubt there are that many that are still extant let alone available to the layman to read.

At least, nothing that isn't just Buddhist or just straight up bureaucratic trash drivelling.

>>18295948
>Israel beginning to get it's tendrils into China

The fuck are you on about? Missionaries of the abrahamic faiths were present in the country for hundreds of years prior to the Chinese civil war

>>18297687
Absolutely not. I can guess at what prose means. But I can't say I have a firm grasp on the idea. I associate prose with poetry. And the cleverness of using words in order to paint a picture. Kind of like how I emphasized my own ignorance by choosing a flippant tone to get a reaction out of you. I guess you could say it was "bait" in that sense. But bait based on truth, not a lie.

I don't have a fine sense for prose. I only notice it when it's glaringly bad. Like when authors use cursing to try and make a character sound cooler or casual. But somehow it comes across as forced. That will take me out of the story for a second to examine why the author chose those words. Or, like my previous image notes: how authors force the word "inexorably" into their story. Sounding like they chose a big word just for the sake of it. I cringe every time I read the word "inexorbably". It's kind of like the Wilhelm scream of literature. And if you don't know what the Wilhelm scream is, then please look it up. You'll recognize it immediately.

>>18297930
>>>Prose is verbal or written language that follows the natural flow of speech. It is the most common form of writing, used in both fiction and non-fiction. Prose comes from the Latin “prosa oratio,” meaning “straightforward.”May 5, 2021

>>18297930
Dictionaries are a thing that exist. Or you could always do a Google search..

Dumb motherfucker.

>>18297980
The natural flow of speech? Well that's confusing. Because I've read posts here, where an anon claims a book has good or bad prose, depending on how well an author describes the environment. And if the author doesn't use enough flowery language, then they'll deem it bad prose. And I would say flowery language is an *unnatural* flows of speech.
For example: No one in real life uses "inexorably" to describe anything. But every fantasy/sci-fi author uses inexorably.

>>18297982
>Dictionaries are a thing that exist. Or you could always do a Google search..
mmmmmeh.

Any fantasy works that go balls deep with their magic system? Like, in depth as to it's workings, philosophical aspects of it/musings on it's true nature and origin etc.

>>18298002
>mmmmmeh

Why are you even using the literature board then?

Okay, this better be a goddamn troll

>>18298018
>Why are you even using the literature board then?
In order to read about retards eating raisins, while admiring their pink unburned cake.

>>18298002
>>>No one in real life uses "inexorably" to describe anything. But every fantasy/sci-fi author uses inexorably.

Guess it depends on the depth of your vocabulary I guess. I use big words that I'm fairly certain a lot of people I associate with don't actually understand.

I don't do it to sound smart or whatever, I usually do it without even thinking about it. Some words fit better in certain sentences.

I don't even care if they're words in common usage or not. Why the fuck should I? Just because some normies fuckwad doesn't like or understand it?

Fuuuck that.

>>18298024
Ah..ha... I see..

>>18298039
>Some words fit better in certain sentences.
I can see what you mean by that. But I still never heard someone use the term "inexorable" in real life. Is there ever a time where that word ever fits a sentence? I can't think of one. Every time I've read "inexorable", it sounded glaring. Many likely disagree with me and think the word works.

Anyway, if flow of speech matters, then one can make the argument that Robert Jordan has good prose. He uses phrases that "flow". However, he reuses the same phrases a billion times. Can't the lack of variety be said to be bad prose? If you asked me how good the prose is in Wheel of Time, I would be conflicted. On one hand, it's very flowing. On the other hand, it's very repetitive.

>>18297803
I think I want to enjoy the Gotrek and Felix books more than I actually do. That short story where Gotrek gets brain damage and they have to go up a mountain for a rare flower to cure him is pretty good though.

i'm in the mood for a meme
should i read botns or darkness that came before?

This did not blow my mind or anything, but the fat pervert knows how to write a story, gotta give him that. It's not hard to see why he got big.

>>18298276
BotNS is actually good

>>18298105
I agree that I don’t like overly flowery prose.

But I also recognise that certain authors quality of writing is just higher.

Someone like Sanderson- I enjoy his stories enough- but the prose Pales in comparison to something like Tolkien.

This doesn’t prevent me from enjoying his stories any less, but there’s also a sense when I read Tolkien that I’m reading someone put a lot of care into HOW they are saying something, not just the What.

What’s the Natty Light of sffg?

>>18298043
You: "What about the prooooose!"
Me: "Ah yes. I see. Even this poor simpleton can teach us so much about life. Though he appreciates the beauty of what he could potentially have, his distrust in others and the world disables him from actually partaking in what he desires most. He preserves the idea of his greatest desires(the cake), while indulging in lessor things(the raisins) to try and satiate himself. Still, he's happy with the preservation of his cake. That's still a valid way to live life. Though, if he only had trusted that he'd get another cake another day, then he might eat this one now. He denies himself what he most desires.

This parallel's the main character's life. He seeks to preserve someone that he desires badly. He can't have both her in his life and also keep her safe. If he takes her in, then his life will threaten to consume hers. So he distracts himself with other endeavors. He "shelves" her, in the way the cake was shelved. To come back later. But cakes go bad. Wait too long, and you can't get them back. Or someone else will come and snatch it up. If only he trusted in her to decide her own life, and was brave enough to make new mistakes, then he could have her before it's too late. Which he might. It's uncertain at this point in the book. But there's potential for him and her."

>>18298307
ok. Well to answer if Robin Hobb has good prose or not: I've never noticed anything too glaring or too flowery. She describes things well enough. That's all I can really say. Sorry. Like I said, I don't have a good sense for it.

>>18293422
Seems like most people who like the series say the the first book is the strongest so if you didn’t like that I would save yourself the pain of 300,000+ word behemoths

A couple chapters into Hyperion for the first time and I'm confused about what "time debt" is. I assumed it was just talking about how if you were in stasis during a multi-decade interstellar trip, your chronological and biological age would be different. But at at least one point, it mentions that the time the trip took and the time debt are two different numbers.

>>18298355
I wasn’t the Hobb poster. Just an anon.

All prose is is the authors voice, your feelings on Hobb is my feelings about a lot of modern fantasy authors. Not bad, not great, just there to get across ideas.

But- prose has a lot more variety/higher quality outside of sff lit.

Someone like Cormac McCarthy (for a typical /lit/ example) doesn’t have anything happening that is any more violent than what goes on in any standard grimdark fantasy novel.

But it’s how he describes it, along with character work and overall thematics- that really drive home the brutality of it to a lot of people.

Idk it’s a bit hard to describe, but let’s just say that a scene where one man stabs another is going to feel VERY different if Sanderson writes it vs McCarthy.

>>18298105
If I wanted great prose I sure as hell wouldn't go looking for it in genre fiction.

>>18297454
Yeah isn't it a minor plot point that the Fool is androgynous to such a degree that Fitz genuinely doesn't know if they're a man or a woman for a while? If that's supposed to be them on the cover then they fucked up.

>>18298885
Meant to quote >>18297413

>>18295028
there is a bakker channel in the discord but it's not very active
https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m

>>18297847
The thread consensus has generally been that Player of Games is definitely good and the rest is much less certain

>>18298387
not kept in stasis, but time dilation, like in Interstellar when McConaughey ages slower than his kids

I really need to stop reading teen romance novels, this isn't good for my mental stability

>>18299474
I like them. Especially the more violent ones. They’re my guilty pleasure.

>>18295028
>aneem cucks burning in hell
>bacuck incels watching their parallel universe wives get fucked by other men

Thoughts?

I liked the story about the hedonistic prehistoric cats who bent the entire world to their will through toxoplasma gondii. A paradise. For cats.

>>18298002
>The natural flow of speech? Well that's confusing. Because I've read posts here, where an anon claims a book has good or bad prose
Brainlets use "Good prose" and "Bad prose" as baseless criticisms or praise to something they personally like, because what defines good and bad prose is nebulous enough that you can say that and never have to back it up.
Prose is inherently secondary to content, because no matter how good the prose is, if the content is shit, the prose can't save it. Likewise, no matter how bad the prose is, if the content is good, it's readable. What prose does do is elevate something that is already good into something great. I think the best example of this is the Curse of Chalion by Lois McMaster Bujold. Plotwise, it's merely good, what elevates it to something great is just how enjoyable the language is to read. The way Caz uses metaphors to make a point and the cadence of the dialogue.

>Palli’s mouth quirked in bemusement. “Is this poetry or fever, Caz?” “Oh, it is a great infection of poetry, a contagion of hymns. The gods delight in poets, you know. Songs and poetry, being of the same stuff as souls, can cross into their world almost unimpeded. Stone carvers, now . . . even the gods are in awe of stone carvers.” He squinted in the sun and grinned back at Palli. “Nevertheless,” murmured Palli dryly, “one feels that your quatrain yesterday morning to Lady Betriz’s nose was a tactical mistake.” “I was not making fun of her!” Cazaril protested indignantly.

>>18300146
This. They think talking about prose makes them sound smart, but really it's just a way for them to avoid talking about the actual substance of the books they read.

I've just read this and it was lovely. It was a nice surprise to follow two weak old characters throughout the entire book, and the end was all the more impactful.

Anyway it got me interesting in the legend of king arthur. I don't actually know anything about it. I assumed I could go to a book and read it, but it seems that it's actually more of a ensemble of middle ages works?

>>18300401
Le Morte D'Arthur is probably the place to start if you just want one book to read. It's all based on much older Welsh legends, but that's considered the seminal piece. Kind of sad that a mythological figure who fought Anglos for the sake of the Britons ended up best known as king of the English.

>>18300810
Nice. I’ll read it

>I am stronger....

>>18299728
Very average, but if you're really craving one of those Hornblower esque books about naval discipline you'll probably be satisfied

>‘Well, okay, my cisgender relationship radar was always shonky,’ Khan admitted. ‘I am shipping the fuck out of you in my headcanon, though.’

>>18293331
Any superheroes in sci fi settings?

>>18295028
Did the autist get range banned?

I feel like I'm getting into books at the wrong time. Especially fantasy stuff. So much shit is written for women or by women. How do you all find something actually worth reading?

>>18301827
Find a culture that is not tainted by wokeness. They tend to have good fantasy. I would recommend Chinese. Or you can look for older works in English. People love Tolkien for a reason. Not your cup of tea? How about Don Quixote? Robinson Crusoe? Shakespeare? The classics are waiting for you to rediscover them.

>>18301827
Yeah, such a shame we can only read the absolute latest literature and no other. The people who enjoyed reading 20 years ago were so much luckier than us.

>>18301827
Unironically read 1 star reviews. If they're all talking about how sexist/problematic the book is, or that they couldn't understand it, then its worth looking into more.

>>18298319

>>18301827
Prince of Thorns sounds like the right book for a snowflake like you. Give it a try!

>>18302087
Not him, but how is Prince of Thorns?

>>1830218
Too edgy.

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck Pay Walls
Fuck Pay Pigs
and FUCK YOU

>>18302185
Pretty shit, but it's edgy, so snowflakes might like it.

>>18301708
dw found what i'm looking for.

>>18293331
I stopped reading chinkshit a while ago. I want to get back in. What CNs should I try?

>>18302450
Why not read something good instead? I don't understand people who read this trash. Reading a couple real books should ruin the whole genre for you forever. It's like people who eat nothing but swamp sludge all day and ask which swamp is the best, meanwhile there's a perfectly fine meal right in front of them.

>>18302450

>>18298002
>mmmmmeh
oh, you're underage

>>18302519
its entertaining

>>18302519
>It's like people who eat nothing but swamp sludge all day and ask which swamp is the best
so /sffg/.

>>18302519
>Why not read something good instead? I don't understand people who read this trash. Reading a couple real books should ruin the whole genre for you forever
There's people who say this about genre fiction in general so I wouldn't be too dismissive. That said, I can't understand how people just sit down and read completely generic potboilers on purpose. I get that some people just read for idle fun and don't care if they've kind of already seen everything in this particular book before, but I cannot fathom the sort of person who just goes like "oh this sounds like it has a cool magic system, sold" and proceed to mainline a 400 page Brandon Sanderson ripoff or something.

This is actually a problem for me since I love stories that play with the tropes of genre fiction while not really being of that genre themselves, like how much of BotNS is a sendup to classic Dying Earth and S&S with a more "literary" modernist influence to it, but I find the actual experience of sitting down and reading a bunch of books which I know will be anything from "bad" to "okay but nothing too new for a modern reader" to be fucking torture.

I only read grimdark novels.

>>18301842
>People love Tolkien for a reason
Tolkien was a very complicated person. On one hand he was "progressive" for his time and place in that he wasn't an imperialist or a scientific racist, wasn't knowingly sexist, sympathized with some proto-environmentalist ideas and was vocally anti-war. There's a reason why Le Guin, once known as one of the main feminist writers in sci-fi and unapologetic far leftist, respected him so much.

On the other hand he was a staunch Catholic and fiercely nationalistic in many other respects, and the key is that this cannot be disentangled from his other views because most of Tolkien's endeavors and politics were actually informed by those aspects of his personality. Not just in the ways you'd expect; the man actually identified as an "anarcho-monarchist" on at least one occasion, a concept that probably makes no sense to anyone on the planet who doesn't have the specific disdain mixture of disdain for industrial civilization and earnest belief in super old fashioned Catholicism Tolkien did

>>18302992
SInce I'm already blogposting, I'll add that all the lazy "orcs are coded for black people" articles and things of the sort that try to lecture the reader on how a feminist reading of LotR will instantly turn up how the man was a bigot whose work is not worth engaging with because he was so deeply racist and sexist and therefore "we" must scramble to reclaim whatever can be rescued from the white supremacist shambles of Middle Earth have always struck me as very misinformed and disrespectful of the man, not to mention ignorant of the actual literature and concepts he was referencing throughout his work, which may have some bigotry embedded in it but not in THAT way.

The orcs aren't black people, they're INDUSTRIAL WORKERS and the MONGOL HORDES. The Druedain aren't indigenous people, they're WOODWOSE. I don't get how anyone can graduate an English course and understand a relatively simple text like LotR so little, yet still feel confident enough to write a condescending article about it.

>>18302992
"I'm not racist, leave me the fuck alone" isn't woke you mouth breather. Nothing about Tolkien is woke. Modern gender stuff and black culture would give him a fucking heart attack.

>>18302942
this but unironically

>>18303044
>Modern gender stuff and black culture would give him a fucking heart attack.
You replied right after I posted the second half of my blog, so I'll just say I agree with this but probably not with much of the reasoning you used to get there

So I read all 10 Malazan Book of the Fallen by Erikson and all 6 Novels of the Malazan Empire by Esslemont. Over the course of several years. I enjoyed the 4.4 million word experience and would like to recommend these books.

>>18303070
T'lan Imass more like T'lan manlets

>>18303070
More like Malazan Book of the Manlets

>>18293331

I'm looking for some good hard science fiction books that are not shy on going all out with the "realism" aspect
like, its okay if it has spaceships and pew pew lasers, I dont mind fun but I want somethin with actual science in the fiction

>>18297454
NTR doujin artists

>>18303070
More like Book of the Bloat

Ahem
Fuck Maps
Fuck Trilogies
Fuck Magic Systems
Fuck Martin
Fuck Sagas
Fuck Chronicles
Fuck the Chosen One
Fuck magic swords
Fuck Series
Fuck Donaldson
Fuck Female protagonists
Fuck Female authors
Fuck sci-fi in general
Fuck Evil Empires
Fuck multiple POVs
Fuck Goblins
Fuck Worldbuilding
Fuck Sanderson
Fuck Abercrombie
Fuck Wight
and fuck you

>>18303239
Look at the "Science Fiction Novels" section here
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/sealofapproval.php

>>18297380
You just know how much of a genius this guy is when you realize there are no pictures of him on the internet, none. Just the fact that he pulled it off somehow, and thought to prevent his pictures being online before the internet even existed tells you how forward thinking he is.

>>18298885
Yeah. The Japanese cover is a little better. Has the androgyny in the face. Though the chest is a little to manly. In the book there is a scene where the fool deliberately covers his chest in a very feminine way. Suggesting he has something there to hide. Robin Hobb has been very carefully straddling the line up to this point. I'm still not sure myself whether the fool is man or woman. His whole time as Amber, mixed with Starling's suggestion that he may well be a woman, made me believe that was the case. But now disguised as Lord Golden, my sureness is dissolving. Maybe the fool is both or neither. I don't know.

>>18300146
>even the gods are in awe of stone carvers
To Palli, that probably sounds like Cazaril is merely being poetic. But it's the truth in that world. Being able to shape matter is a wonder to the gods.

>>18302800
Kids don't use "meh" anymore. That's more of a millenial thing.

>>18300146
>if the content is shit, the prose can't save it. Likewise, no matter how bad the prose is, if the content is good, it's readable
You need to be a pretty exceptionally engaging writer for me to put up with bad prose. I do it with PKD, for example. Good prose is how a book about a middle aged pedophile who wants to fuck his stepdaughter becomes recognized as one of the greatest books of the past century.

>>18303347
This man is so defeated, he's trapped inside the sacred realm.

>>18295028
Always knew bakkertrannies were also discordfaggots.

>>18300146
prose is the content you fucking retard. the way the story is told a big part of the story itself.

>>18302087
>sjws using snowflake
kek

>>18303347
you forgot
>fuck bakker

>>18297402
the first trilogy made me hate the word coterie so much

>>18297847
Its not really a series, it can be read in any order. although I would recommend starting with Inversions. You wont have any clue WTF is going on, and that is exactly how someone from a primitive civilzation having to deal with the Culture would feel like. Once you know more about the Culture that experience cant be repeated.

>>18298289
LOL GRRM called this the second worst cover any of his books had ever been given by any publisher. The worst being that ghastly cover from an older Spanish edition of Fevre Dream

>>18301727
Do people stil get range banned? It used to happen to me but I think the mods have more or less given up all over 4chan, I can curse niggers and mudslimes all day and dont get banned anymore

>>18303354
oooh thanks anon

>>18304105
Every mobile and vpn ip i try to use is range banned, so yes.

>Mfw you will never have a short haired, bottom thicc tomboy dress up in smug breeches and act more girly for you.
It hurts bros, how does Rand do it?

>>18295889
it's actually a japanese boards

>>18295028
Stupid question, but what happened to the northern half of the horde during the battle of dagliash? Did they all to the last sranc throw themselves into sorcerous fire?

Are there any second-generation or "reverse isekai" type books? All these heroes of harem-lit leave dozens of kids behind. Have there been any stories about the son of one attempting to follow in his father's footsteps or doing the reverse and going back to Earth or something like that?

>>18303347
Based fucker

>>18304745
Pretty sure that those that didn't get sautéed into. blackened sranc steaks by the Schoolmen got glassed to ashes by the nuke.

>>18305064
A detailed map of the setup of that battle would be very helpful, but I couldn't find any. I can't believe I'm the only one who has trouble visualizing it and the map in the book is far too zoomed out and doesn't mark the disposition of the forces.

>>18305086
There's a small map of the region in the back of the printed edition. One could enlarge it and map out the disposition of the forces if one were so inclined.

The Raft was fucking cool desu.

>>18305114
This map?

>>18305127
Yes precisely.
I understand Kellhus' strategy was to split the horde between the northern bulk, which was targeted by the absolutely absurd concentration of sorcerous might perched atop the Urokkas, and the southern contingent which the Middle-Northmen drove into the river, if I'm remembering correctly.

>>18305166
Yes, and in the south the army marched towards Dagliash (was supposed to anyway). My issue is that the northern horde seems to be "behind" the mountains and half of the sorcerers from Dagliash's perspective, and even if they hadn't been, it would extend so far away from it, that if they had been caught in the blast, the entire ordeal would have been affected.

Then again maybe there's something in the text about the disposition of the horde towards the Antareg mountain that I forgot about or missed, and few to none of the sranc extended beyond maybe Ingol anymore at the time of the detonation.

I'm in the mood for some really "serious" sci fi, if it exists. Despite being a big asimov fan as a teenager I think I really don't know much about sci fi as a genre.
What I mean is I don't want star trek style allegory for contemporary society, I want some hardcore autistic self-focused shit. Like focused entirely on keeping itself as scientifically feasible as possible, which means (to me anyway, but I'm just guessing) either no aliens or truly exotic ones, no dune-type spirit magic, no glossing over linguistics (babel fish type devices are a fucking retarded concept), NO fucking time travel whatsoever, and maybe future tech that doesn't require excessive imagination

The way I see it though the mood is moving in a bit more of a spiritual direction, i.e people generally are less receptive to a purely physicalist view of reality and any galactic-scale narratives would have to take place after some kind of spiritual awakening and technology becoming actual magic. Like dune. So I don't even know if the genre I'm looking for exists, basically just regular human politics and shit but... with the novelty of being in space.

>>18305192
Blindsight.

>>18305192
>hardcore autistic self-focused shit. Like focused entirely on keeping itself as scientifically feasible as possible
Firefall by Peter Watts is exactly what you're looking for. It's about first contact with truly alien aliens and even has citations for its science (aside from the space ship engine). The prose is autistic as well, but if you used to read shit like Asimov it won't deter you.

>>18305209
Blindsight is the first book of the Firefall duology.

>>18305192
Red Mars

>>18305192
If all you want is science-ey stuff, I really liked the autism in 2001. I can't remember much about the sequels other than the circumcision bit, though.

>>18305281
Beat me to it, seconded completely.

>>18305220
>The prose is autistic as well
This is a plus for science fiction.

>>18305291
2001:ASO has cirmumcision

>>18305291
2001: A Space Odyssey book has cimcurcision?

>>18305664
No, one of the sequels, I think the last one, 3001. A ship finds the guy that HAL cut the space tether of or shot him out of the airlock or whatever and revives him. He becomes a bit of a celebrity and at one point is about to have sex with a woman, but she runs off screaming because of his mutilated (circumcised) dick.

>>18295028
Why does Kellhus act so vengefully against Fanayal, the Mother Supreme and Malowebi
when he killed them all
if he's so above shit and in control of himself, why do it in such an extravagant fashion
lifting Fanayal by his scruff and consuming him in white light, dropping tele-dropping 100YO hottie
even the one liner response to "What are you...?" -> "Very tiered"

he's done stuff like this on other occasions, being needlessly cruel/violent, etc.
but that could always have been for a reason, as there are people around to witness it, and thus influence

but why did he do that when he killed all the witnesses???

>>18305860
He's barely holding it together at that point desu. He's certainly under the influence of both the Meat and Ajokli.

>>18295028
Why don't sorcerers employ a chorae at the tip of a very long stick when fighting other sorcerers?

>>18305949
Okay, but seriously
Why don't sorcerers just wear a box or some other piece of huge bulky armour to protect from chorae bowmen when walking around exposed in the air?

>>18305965
It was the greatest gathering of sorcerous might the world had ever seen, the school proper, Mandati sorcerors of rank forming a line, singing death on the Sranc horde.
Stumbling about in their light, yet durable cedar wood boxes, the Prophet's own design. With huge latticework on their feet, akin to oversized snowshoes, to prevent taking a chorae to the groin, but still allowing for for some movement.

>>18305192
Three-Body Problem and it’s sequel Dark Forest I think might be up your alley.

There’s really only one or two scientific stretches in the first and only a handful more in the second.

The third book gets pretty “out there” with its science but you can stop after the second and be happy. Feels more like a duology with a bloated sequel book rather than a cohesive trilogy.

I still enjoyed it but, again, the tech in 3 starts to get mind numbingly advanced.

Still a super enjoyable read.

>>18305965
Billows.

Sauron's fair form looked like THAT....?

>>18306108
I enjoyed how crazy the third got while still staying true to sci fi conventions. As if the author said fuck it we're going all the way now.

>>18305860
He was always Akoji's bitch.

>>18304760
The closest that I could think of is Lord of The Mysteries where the MC wasn't the first "transmigrator", and the book talks a lot about the past transmigrator's influence.
Theres also Epilogue, an RR webnovel that tells a story about what happens after the characters go back to Earth.

Reading this.
God damn it I hate communists. All this book has convinced me of is that their total slaughter is for the best of mankind.

>>18306398
You'll need to slaughter all Western academia. That's where it started.

>>18306359
I liked it too.

In particular his descriptions of moving in the 4th dimension was probably the best I’ve ever read in terms of being able to visualise it in my head what it might be like. Really great stuff there.

Also the dimensional weapon bit was fun too.

I agree he said “fuck it” let’s go all the way- I just would have enjoyed a final chapter in the saga he set up in books 1 and 2 first.

We got a conclusion to it of course, but in my view it was somewhat diminished by all the crazy shit that came out afterwards.

Plus there were a ton of cool races/ideas that he touched on that I wanted to know more about and would have liked him to explore- but didn’t happen as he was in a race to get to “literally” the end of time.

>>18305192
revelation space

I don’t know what it is about “modern fantasy” and having a lack of truly iconic villains, the only ones that really come to mind for me would be Rhulad and even then he’s only in two books

>>18306338
of course he's black.

>>18306526
It's a symptom of only reading mainstream western fantasy.

>>18306719
>modern

>>18306719
Berserk is 90s fantasy, it's a 30+ year old series.

gib fantasy romance novel

>>18307594
t. woman

>>18293331
Redpill me on Benjamin Percy

>>18307712
just a lonely male

Any other good scifi novels about a space police organization a la Lensman?

>>18306398
And just finished it. I don't really know this board or thread's policy on spoiler posting and discussion of the book. But here goes. I'll try to avoid bluntly putting things like the conclusion though.
Kind of ironic that the last message sent by the Trisolarians was "You're bugs". Not that the author could have predicted that the Chinese would be called bug people lately. /pol But I did like Da Shi. I'm a sucker for the big strong, rude asian cop. The kind that in the 10th century would have carried a log to smash bandits with. Pretty neat book though. Not sure how much of that science is realistic but even my dumb ass could follow along. At first I thought the 3body game would be filler but it did a great job explaining solar issues concerning more than 1 star to an idiot like me.
I suppose I'll have to read the next one to see the big space battles or whatever.
Also for other recommendations, could someone recommend something that isn't 70% eco-terrorism and 30% first contact and is actually just alien shit? I found myself getting annoyed with that in this book. I know you have to build suspense but God damn it, nearly all of that communism shit did not pay off unless you're like me and just hate the bastards and find it really easy to hate them for the misery it created in China.
Was going to try Blindsight next.

>>18302079
God I hated Naty Ice.
Why the fuck did I, or anyone try to save $2 on a fucking 30 pack when you can just get normal beer instead?

>>18307837
I feel you, reading romantic subplots is the only things that numbs me from this lonely life

oh stfu /sffg/

>>18308450
t. /sffg/got

>>18308452
fuck you

>>18295028
akka is a cuck

>>18297380
I absolutely the first of his quantum novels. Really cool how he spoon-fed the physics, making every deeper level a plot twist. I wasn't as excited by the other two. Then I tried reading that on with hyperbolic temporal geometry (or whatever) and I got filtered. Maybe I will go back to it when I'm not drunk.

I was actually quite surprised at how decent Silverthorn was. It held my attention throughout and I actually started liking some of the cheesy characters. It’s just a mismash of all generic fantasy tropes with a dash of sci-fi on the side, but for some reason it works.
I haven’t read any of the other books.

>>18303042
>The orcs aren't black people, they're INDUSTRIAL WORKERS and the MONGOL HORDES.
Same thing, though.

>>18307842
I liked Three Body, but Dark Forest dragged on and on for me. Didn’t have the same personal struggles or level of political intrigue that the first book had, and when you find out the “twist” it’s way too late because you’re already bored and the “twist” isn’t dramatic enough to restore excitement in the story.
I literally just finished Blindsight the other day and loved it. Peter Watts is a fantastic writer, even if some of his subject matter is questionable. I also enjoyed his short story The Island and am reading Maelstrom right now.

>>18293361
>Get a life.
you're posting on 4chan. you don't have a life, faggot.

>>18308625
Freeze-Frame Revolution is the only Watts I've read, and I liked it but wished it were at least twice as long -- everything felt a bit too undercooked.

I have the collected Firefall on the shelf and was thinking about picking up Blindsight shortly. As good as the hype?

>>18309133
>As good as the hype?
Yes. I didn't particularly like the sequel, though.

>>18303042
Dude, Tolkien was racist and sexist according to current standards. At the same time, who cares, those words aren't even 200 years old and are only used as thought killing cliches.

Your thoughts on the book?

>>18309416
Is this man writing the new bible? I am reading third book in the stormlight archives and he's literally writing kind of fantasy that most mythologies tend to fall in to some extent. Bigger then life in every sense. He's describing various virtues in depth, explains each of his point through various stories then goes in depth as to how to follow these ideals correctly. Finally he shows how this would benefit one and everyone. Is this okay?

This guy was a missionary for Mormon church and seems like to really believe what's he's writing. I've seen him talk about how he decided to write even if he never succeeded. He claims he'd been writing for a long time at that point and wasn't getting anywhere. But somehow it felt right to write even if he was unsuccessful. First ideal of his religion seems to be "Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." It is one of more discussed ideas so far. And what seems interesting to me is how it's the first one and it is shared across hierarchies as it is there to safeguard rest of the ideals just like the first amendment.

On top of this he redefines what we consider reality like many eastern religions. He has lived in Asia if I'm remembering correctly. Quantum physics is part of his magic. Does he think he's a prophet or is it just me?

>>18309687
>The Chad Japanese MC

Is it worth it?

What do you think of fantasy maps?
Also, how do I draw them? I already created brushes for mountains and hills in GIMP, but can't get the same result in Krita. and I need brushes for the coastline as well, these interrupted double-strokes.

Thoughts on Greg Egan's works?

>>18309580
> Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination

Seems like watered down Nietzsche. Is he still Mormon? All of that sounds materialist.

>>18309855
Cheesy, but still fun.

>>18309860
>and I need brushes for the coastline as well, these interrupted double-strokes.
Do you use a tablet and pen or mouse? Lazy Nezumi can do shit like that super easy if you use a pen tablet, but I don't know how well it works for mouse. It might even have that built in, but I uninstalled it after upgrading my tablet, so I can't check.

As for maps, I think they can be useful, at least for the writer to know where shit is. The only time I ever look at maps is with nautical fiction since with the insane amount of traveling around the world, it's hard to keep track if they're traveling from a tropical climate to an arctic one or whatever. Otherwise, it generally doesn't really matter as a reader if a city is north or west from where the guys are.

>>18309899
>>18309860

Maps are also great for the Iliad and the bible.

What is chanv? All we know about is that it increases intelligence and lifespan at the cost of turning one’s skin translucent. It is sourced from the mysterious land of Jekhia, the headwaters of the River Sayut in far eastern Ainon.

My personal theory is that it is powdered Inchoroi bones. Others think it may be “sorcerer’s salt.” Thoughts?

>>18309939
>chanv

>>18306398
>I hate communists
maoists*
so does the ccp :^)

any books with heavy romance focus and a male MC?

>>18307594
The Night Circus
Curse of Chalion
Last Call
Cloud's End
Set This House in Order (not really fantasy but kinda)
Jinx (YA)

What would be a yankee's dao?

bros recommend me something like night angel trilogy by Brent Weeks given that i didn't like his second series (Lightbringer Series) mainly because the power system was bullshit and main character was fat.
Also i can't read anything written by women and with women main characters.

>>18310392
Read the true & honest Lightbringer series, not that knockoff trash.

>>18310440
what do you mean? which one is true and honest and which is not?

>>18310452
>true & honest
Linkara's webcomic
>not
Brent Weeks' lazy, derivative, ripoff.

>>18310465
>webcomic
i mean i want you to recomend me books. If i want to read comics i can read manga

>>18310392
I thought lightbringer had an extremely interesting power system, but if you just want more edgy fantasy you should probably pick up Prince of Thorns

>>18310530
thanks for recommendation anon, i'll give it a try.
btw what i'm looking for is just lots of action and anger, i love anger.

>>18310345
The Belgariad

>>18306398
There's nothing remotely communist about modern day China, brainlet.

>>18310563
Second Life Ranker is a very played straight revenge story, if you can put up with gookshit. MC really fucking hates the people responsible for his brother's death and none of them get any mercy from him.

>capital of the isle of man is literally just named Douglas
Why can't fantasy writers do this? Who do their countries always have to be taken from their cats walking across their keyboards?

>>18309881
Those are all just three extremely old cliched sayings crammed together with no rhyme or reason. Don't try to drag actual philosophy into such hacky writing.

>>18309133
>but wished it were at least twice as long -- everything felt a bit too undercooked.
It's practically the prequel to an older series of short stories he does, so part of it is that Watts probably just saw it as the backstory to some of his recurring characters. Another thing is that all the romance/interpersonal drama elements were apparently his wife's input. Don't expect any of that in his other work because Watts seriously can't write people who aren't one or several of the following: actual machines (maybe actual machines learning to trascend their programming to become better than the garbage humans surrounding them, and in a Peter Watts work that's all humans), homicidal madmen, heartless corporate bug people, apathetic everymen caught in situations beyond their understanding, or emotionally wrecked transhumans. It's a shame too, because I think that's what made FFR stand out from his other stuff.

>>18310618
They feel like they have to create an entirely novel world for their story. They should probably just use alternate history more.

What are some books that can fill void in my heart thirsting for companionship?

>>18310685
Twilight

>>18310692
already read them

>>18310698
The collected works of Kay Hooper

>>18310708
okay, guess I'll check those out then.

>>18310685
>>18310698
You're probably looking for a romance novel. The one thing you must know about romance novels before going further in your quest is that most romance novels are porn. Look for "low-steam" in specific if you just want chaste fuel for the Feels, that's a niche.

>>18310618
>meet our heroes John, James and Brian on their journey to save their country, Ameriga, from the terrible menace of their eternal enemies, the cold-hearted Rashans, and their cunning allies of circumstance, the Chaynese.

>>18310768
>>meet our heroes, Ferouydi, Bupabal, and l'Weaup on their journey to save their country, Erpaba, from the terrible menace of their eternal enemies, the cold-hearted Neaions, and their cunning allies of circumstance, the Iwalia.
I'd rather hear about John and Brian. I bet those guys don't fuck around explaining how the magic works, and they actually fuck the mini fairy girl that joins their party. James sounds like a fag though.

>>18310685
Just read visual novels instead.

>>18310881
those are too japanese for my taste, japs all have this juvenile view on relationships that just completely filters me

>>18310891
I too only like romance stories in which the woman has fucked dozens of men and commits adultery.

>>18310796
I get your point but what about autists who create their entire linguistic system like Tolkien?

>>18310891
I mean, most of VNs have childish romance concept, but that's kind of the point since it's a wish fulfillment type of thing. If you're that desperate for companionship feels, do try a VN called HoshiOri, it's basically a romance VN that spans from middleschool up till after the marriage.

>>18310963
Hoshi Ori starts in high school. Gin'Iro Haruka is the one that starts in middle school.

>the absolute state of this fucking general

>>18311005
cry about ti

>>18311005
What did you actually expect coming out of the Internet and Social Media generations?

All anime/VN/litrpg posters are trannies and pedos. Prove me wrong.

>>18311048
Or suffering from autogynephilia, or just coomers.

>>18311048
>>18311064
And the torment of eternal damnation shall be their just reward.

>>18311078
Why not fight the good fight and help lift them from the hell that is their poor taste?

>>18311005
>the absolute state of the "person" behind this post

>>18311005
Weebs should literally die from paper cuts.

>>18311087
because he isnt a real christian just a petty and vindictive 16 year old

>>18311048
>>18311087
The best modern work of speculative fiction is a VN.

>>18308598
No black people don't have industrial capacity to make [crude] weapons. Niggers were armed by sovites not made weapons themselves.
Soviets are real orks. Not moving progresses forward (taught by superior minds) but turning everything they touch into weapons and then invading neighbors.

>>18311113
>petty and vindictive 16 year old trannypedo doesn't understand the reference
kek

>>18311119
kill yourself and leave this general you subhuman garbage.

>>18311078
>>18311087
You know what will show them? Creating our very own thread solely for western fantasy, named something like /wsffg/ or /bakkgen/, I'm sure it will be hugely popular and it'll put the animetrannies in their place

>>18293331
What are books written from POV of ruling kings and lords.
Similar to Game for Thrones and Ivanhoe?

>>18311159
Anon, don't give in to those delusions. They aren't healthy for you. Now clean your room, bucko.

>>18311168
Kings of the Wyld

>>18311168
the second apocalypse by r scott bakker

>>18311159
that would be great, if only that possessed the fractional maturity to not feel compelled to invade said thread with their absolute faggotry.

>>18311152
>kill yourself and leave this general you subhuman garbage.
It's true though. Stay mad.

>>18311186
the truth is too much for them

We went from Wolfe to ??? to Bakker to chinkshit. I think some of the people here are unironically woke. I think some think Sanderson weebshit is some deep philosophy. The discord is even worse. The mainstream has been pozzed beyond repair. Academia is just "marxist", queer, or black "analysis". Proper fantasy is dead. There is nothing that can be done. Nothing being released today is any good. The only thing you can do is to retreat to literary fiction, to the classics. No one is gonna take a self-proclaimed genre writer seriously. The "literary fantasy" writers like Ishiguro or Atwood are completely blind to what fantasy is or should be. They believe in the idea that magical realism makes a book good. The good 20th century genre writers are either fading into obscurity or are only read because of butchered tv adaptations. It will get worse before it gets better. Marvel zoomers will dominate the west for the foreseeable future. Literature is dead. Art is dead. Intellectual honesty is dead. We are living in a John Brunner novel. You can't resist. Freedom is slavery to our base impulses. It is hedonism and nihilism. The animalistic passions of the soul have overtaken us, and by extension speculative fiction. The resistance contrarian culture of 4chan is that no more. Our rebellion boils down to mild wrongthink. Everyone on this website has been processed and assimilated into the grand machine of consumerist lifestyle, even if they pretend otherwise. Hermits are extinct. I can't see a future for scifi in this world either. Nothing good has been written since PKD overdosed on christianity and gave us VALIS. The best we have seen since were kino aventure stories about space cowboys and science people writing about science ideas, essentially metal Borges rigid. I do not know how to proceed. Everything about this society fills me with disgust. Especially myself. I consume shit as well. I am weak willed. Kant would have called me immoral. I read weebshit. I read chinkshit. I read westshit. I don't want to do that anymore. I just want to be happy.

>>18311206
shitalian pls

>>18311206
nice blogpost faggot

>>18311191
Maybe when the translation gets released they'll understand.

Threadly reminder to read The Second Apocalypse series by R. Scott Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before.

It's the best fantasy written in the last 20 years and will be remembered a century from now, unlike the seas of mass market garbage and chinkshit that flood this general.

>>18311243
I don't want to read cuckshit.

>>18311185
>the second apocalypse by r scott bakker
Can you narrow down? I have feeling not every book from this meets criteria.

>>18311183
>Kings of the Wyld
>Clay Cooper was once a member of Saga, the most renowned mercenary band in the world, but has since retired to live in peace with his wife and young daughter–until the night his old bandmate Gabriel shows up on his doorstep, desperate for help. Gabe’s daughter, Rose, is trapped in a city half the world away, besieged by a host of monsters known as the Heartwyld Horde.
>Clay reluctantly agrees to go along, and together they set out to reunite the disparate members of their old band: Moog, an absent-minded wizard; Matrick, a cuckolded king held prisoner by his own wife; and Ganelon, a deadly warrior who has spent the decades since Saga disbanded encased in stone.
>Reunited, they set out across the vast, monster-infested forest called the Heartwyld, clashing along the way with feral cannibals, vengeful gods, and a relentless bounty-hunter named Larkspur. The Horde awaiting them at Castia, however, is the greatest threat of all, and to overcome it Saga must convince both their aging peers and a generation of restless youth to risk everything in pursuit of a mercenary’s most valued currency: everlasting glory.
Ehhh? Are you sure? Sounds like Adventurer book not like Lord book.

>>18311267
>Can you narrow down? I have feeling not every book from this meets criteria.
He's fucking with you. Don't listen to him.

>>18311251
Is it really?

>>18311267
The Prince of Nothing and The Aspect-Emperor are both narrated from the perspective of royalty.

>>18311273
He's a weebshit tranny pedo. Don't listen to him.

>>18311285
It contains cuckold. Yes.

>>18311313
ouch

>>18311251
cry about it

>>18311168
Related, are there any good works about royal administration that aren't military focused? I'm cognizant of why warfare is a major theme, both narratively and its historical economic importance, but surely there are interesting stories to be told about peacetime, too.

>>18311313
I'll need more detail than that. In certain situations it wouldn't bother me. Depends on what's going on.

>>18311313
>It contains cuckold.
As if, one of its central theme is cuckoldry, and one of the main struggle throughout the series is between Kellhus and Akka, the bull and the cuck, forced to work together, as well as the homosexual rape of Proyas (a cuckoldry of the soul if you wish), and the same homosexual tension with Cnaiür urs Skiötha, a barbarian forced to disguise his preferred orientation and resorting to cuckoldry to himself. I know anime doesn't have such profound themes as this Canadian masterpiece, but to diminish it simply to "It contains" when it is in fact cuckoldry incarnate is frankly insulting and ignorant, and maybe jealousy that your preferred medium doesn't treat this high IQ fetish with the same elegance.

>>18311414
The greatest modern work of NTR is also a VN.

Remember that everything the animeniggers post is OFF-TOPIC as well as SPAMMING. Please act accordingly. Thanks /sffg/.

>>18311414
yikes.
Guess I better skip it. I was already skeptical about Bakker after reading about his reddit-tier pseudo philosophy

why is western literature obsessed with cuckoldry

>>18311560
>reddit-tier pseudo philosophy
Where did you go for your philosophy PhD, anon? It must have been a better program than Vanderbilt, to make a bold statement such as that.

HOW.
I HATE.
THIS THREAD.

>>18311652
Based Wuttëatposter.

>>18311592
>Anglo-American """philosophy"""
If you went to the average European high school, you have probably a better grasp on philosophy than the average Anglo philosophy PhD.
Also, does that appeal to credentialism ever work? Especially looking at the American university system today. Especially in the field of philosophy where actually insightful writers are rare in the best of times -- I believe Heidegger said at one point that there should be like three philosophy professors in all of Germany; and it should probably be even less than that in the US today.

Also, your picture basically confirms what I said: pure reddit-tier analytic wankery.

>>18310589
I cannot be fooled. But I won't drag the misery of *that* board into one of the few remaining good ones.

>>18311716
R. Scott Bakker is pure reddit.

>>18311716
>If you went to the average European high school, you have probably a better grasp on philosophy than the average Anglo philosophy PhD.
The shit you faggots say with a straight face is hilarious.

>>18311786
It's the truth though.

>>18311800
I suppose you do have a good grasp on the very flexible concept of truth they teach in euro high schools

>>18311800
It truly illustrates how far up your ass you've been able to shove your own head.

>>18310768
I love the name Ameriga. Or Amerigo.
If you're going to just use Earth as a map, but it's not Earth (like warhammer) please do this.

>>18311817
>>18311826
R. Scott Bakker isn't as great as you make him out to be.

>>18310685
The pools, beaches, and hotubs section of twitch.
It's free as long as you're not an idiot who needs them to say your name and address you personally.
Unironically.

>>18311843
Oh is that who you're attacking? Carry on then, Bakker sucks. I just saw an opportunity to make fun of yuros and seized it

>>18311863
I mean the entire argument stemmed from Bakkerfags insisting their shit author knew philosophy.

>>18311882
Bakkerfags are Dunning-Kruger extraordinaire who sincerely think they are big-brained for reading his books.

>>18311892
That's a rather nice way of putting it.

Is audio book mainstream?
every time I try to search for a book, audiobooks pop up along the searches
am I just behind the times

new thread
>>18311938

>>18311932
Audiobooks have been mainstream for decades my man, audible and podcast culture just accelerated it

>>18311932
Yes. Every cityfag who has to commute listens to audiobooks.

>>18311243
Does the audiobook still suck? I'll read it if they record a new audiobook with a better narrator. Take a listen to this sample: https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Darkness-That-Comes-Before-Audiobook/B008CQW11A

Who can actually tolerate that guy's voice?

Last psot

In your dreams

Last

We'll see about that

We shall.

You know what? I don't even want the last post. You take it.

>>18311447
Does that crotch arrow mean she's got a fat futa cock?

For that matter, are there any western works with futa? Perhaps a porn book inspired by WoW containing a race of dickgirl not!draenei or something?

>>18312066
Sounds like he would sound fine sped up, which is how I listen to all my audiobooks anyway.

>>18312867
He sounds like a professor who was talked into reading the book as a favor, and doesn't really put his heart into it. He just recites it like he's reading from a textbook.

>>18310685
the bible but unironically

>>18312885
I do admit, the idea of having an omnipotent all loving father watching over you is very calming
I can see why people choose to live this way.

Bye. I am killing myself.
t. thread.

>>18309939
There's not very much mention of it beyond Scarlet Spires passages. I thought it was interesting though that the Anpoi that Kellhus was drinking with Proyas had chanv in it. Wasn't it also mentioned that chanv has an effect on your thinking/self determination or something? Might have been used by Kellhus to further manipulate Proyas

>>18313123
U. R. Ghey

*buggers you*

>>18313172
srancburger makes you gay

>>18313215
This

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