/lit/ - Literature

> For a long time I frequented courtrooms solely to contemplate habitual criminals, their superiority to the laws, their readiness for ruin. And yet they are pitiful compared to the whores, to the ease those women show in the dock. So much detachment is … disconcerting; no amour-propre whatever; insults draw no blood; no adjective is wounding. Their cynicism is the form of their honesty. A girl of seventeen, majestically frightful, replies to the judge trying to wrest a promise to keep off the sidewalks: “I can’t promise you that, Your Honor.”
>One measures one’s own strength only in humiliation. In order to console ourselves for the shames we have not known, we would have to inflict them upon ourselves, spit in the mirror, waiting for the public to honor us with its saliva. God preserve us from a distinguished fate!

>>18325865
Neitchze, unironically.

Emerson

oh boy do i have the philosopher for you

William James

>>18325865

>>18325865
Jesus

>>18325865
Christ

>>18325865
Deleuze, Whitehead, Bergson, Severino

>>18325978
Isn't Deleuze the one that killed himself?

>>18325980
They killed him

>>18325988
Wasn't he one of (((them)))?

>>18325980
his philosophy is happy, but he was in physical pain every minute of his adult life. When you're 70, it just isn't worth it

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>>18325970
Embarrassing

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>>18325970

For me, it's Stirner.

>>18325890
Not OP but I recently finished birth of tragedy + twilight of the idols and they're great, where should I go from here? Is it even necessary to read more than that?

>>18325980
Deleuze had fucked up lungs. I've heard it speculated that he wasn't actually trying to kill himself but was rushing to the window for air, causing him to fall to his death.

>>18325865
>he wants to willingly ingest cope
There is no 'optimistic' philosophy or interpretation of scientific study because the based layer of reality is fundamentally disgusting to our social brain or Spirit. What you really need to do is go through the stages of purging all the emotional responses you have to your own actions (and thoughts) and seek a indifferent equilibrium. This requires hacking down all cope and staring the brutality in its face. If you do, you join the few, the noble otherwise enjoy bringing yourself and those around you back into the cycle.

>>18326128
this

Also love that binary sunset scene.

>>18325865
Whether or not a philosopher makes you sad or unhopeful about the universe is not on the philosopher, but you. It's up to you to find the collection of theories which make you happy; one could say that that's the entire point of philosophy. Whether it's Christ as many of the other posters had said, some of the Greeks, or the French is entirely up to you.

I hope you the best anon.

>>18325865
Any philosopher that are religious are optimistic by nature. I recommend Sufis like Ibn Arabi and Imam Ghazali (Alchemy of Happiness).
In my opinion, the love of life is an extension of the love for God that created the universe. And thus, the love and hope for God will cause the love for his creation, which are the expressions of him, thus life itself.
This may be too religious, but its an option if you are willing to explore such a thing.

>>18326219
/thread

>>18325970
oy vey, whaddya mean the masiach is a carpentuh? not a doctuh? or a loiyuh or an actuh? the temple will have him crucified!

>>18325865
Stirner

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>>18325890
The Gay Science is the book you are looking for

>>18326219
Books on this?

>>18328402
The ego and itself

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>>18325875
I love Cioran.

>>18325865
Basically all pre-Kantian philosophy is optimistic apart from like David Hume;
Plato, Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz, Berkeley.

>>18326190
>birth of tragedy + twilight of the idols
are you a communist and/or a breadtube tranny? 100% serious qn, based on your choice of books

>>18328554
Denial phase of getting filtered?

>>18325962
Undeniably based

>>18325954
Redpilled af

>>18325970
Lost. Based post

>>18325865
No philosopher needed, just stop being autistic
The pessimism/optimism spectrum is a battle between generalization and particularization, as well as the way you attribute responsibility

>>18325902
This

>>18325865
Spengler
Goethe
Kant
Nietzsche is more optimistic about life than he is depressed about last men
The reason there aren't more famous optimistic philosophers is because most people who popularise philosophy are neurotic nihilists who are desperate to feel some sort of community with other neurotic nihilists who can't stomach life. So you really have to read between the lines and look for the good stuff yourself. The Greeks, such as Plato and Aristotle, are actually quite optimistic, if a bit stiff-necked. I've always liked them for that reason.

>>18325978
No Spinoza on that list?

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>>18330032
>Spengler
How the fuck is he optimistic?

>>18325865
Lao Tzu

>>18325875
Which book?

/thread

>>18325865
Vico

>>18325865
Emerson but he's kinda dumb so read Thoreau instead.

>>18330139
Based
>“I learned this, at least, by my experiment: that if one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours.”

>>18330126
Based rec

>>18330072
I don’t think Spengler himself would agree with me, but Spengler’s philosophy is in reality ambivalent but can be seen as optimistic or pessimistic depending on the context and the length of time you look at him at.

In the current context either at the late fall or early winter of western civilization it’s easy to see this as pessimistic, but when I culture becomes truly so corrupt and decadent that the lives of those inside it are hurt isn’t it a good thing for it to fall apart? I guess you might still be pessimistic seeing as how the betting man would gamble the full collapse won’t occur within our lifetime, but it might for our children or children’s children. As well new civilizations will rise in its place. Spengler already took the care to provide us with a hope in the distant future. Russia. Of course this will eventually decline possibly a thousand years from now, but again something else will take its place.

life is shit

>>18326190
Birth of tragedy is the best start.

You absolutely need to read Genealogy and Zarathustra to understand Nietzsche. Probably his most discussed books.

>>18325865
Deleuze

>>18325875
I wish I had balls like this guy.

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>>18330082
All Gall is Divided

>>18325865
levinas

>>18330964
Is this meant to be a representation or critique of Nietzsche? It makes sense as neither.

>>18326219
I don't think that this necessarily requires that one not maintain an overall optimistic outlook. It becomes enthusiasm and anticipation rather than cope. Be prepared not only to respond to the worst case scenario, but to take advantage of the best case scenario. It was said after ww2 that the difference between successful, ace fighter pilots and the rest could be seen in how they prepared for action. The less confident non aces would check that their chutes were packed properly, their boots tied well, fiddling with personal items, etc. In contrast, the aces were more preoccupied with maps of the area and the guns of their planes being in working order and loaded. In short, don't just run from failure. Chase after success.

>>18325937
hegelian christianity ultimate whitepill

bump

>>18332328
>hegelian christianity
vomit in mouth

>>18328554
The fuck? I just followed the chart for reading his stuff and decided I wanted to read those two as the start.

Aquinas (even if you're not religious)

>>18333937
>they vomited because he spoke the truth.

Satre is pretty optimistic to be honest.

>>18325875
did david lynch really say that?

Bacon?

>>18325890
Indeedarino

Aurelius made me a better person

>>18330435
>but it might for our children or children’s children. As well new civilizations will rise in its place

didn´t Spengler said that the collapse of west civ means the extinction of humanity?

>>18330711
>philisophical

>>18328554

These are the most common starting books for Nietzche, what are you talking about

>>18337186
beyond good and evil and then genealogy is the way to start

Leibniz