/lit/ - Literature

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>>18330178
This shit too hard to read

I think culture being dead is a subjective statement OP

>>18330161
Too much variety, the world is too big. Pluralism, etc. Hence the importance of the parochial (look up Josh Cohen's diatribe on that).

But for an especially sobering reality go read literally any critic from that period, or take a look at the criticism of Henry James or Anthony Trollope or someone wildly prolific by today's standards, and realize just how much of a shitshow it has always been. Sure, we ack some of the basic educational/institutional gatekeepers we used to have but I think aside from scope the world is essentially the same.

>>18330324
Yes it's subjective so please post a list like I did above of the great artistic geniuses of this century so we can all subjectively laugh at you.

Imagine namedropping Lermontov but not Leopardi

>>18330161
Man, hear this. I,m, a stranger, will White a good book. I was whiting some books bellong three years. My life is White. And White very books, White philosofi, methafisic, etc...

>>18330161
Movies have overtaken literature.

>>18330161
HAHA I POSTED IT AGAIN

>>18330161
You're a retard if you cant t least respect, if not appreciate, the efforts put into some modern electronic music. Beethoven has some amazing pieces, as does Mozart, as does Haydn, but there are also pieces by them that are boring, unoriginal, simply nothing more than an extension of their repertoire. If you cant see this you are also retarded, it shows that you're only so entranced by the music of the past because it is music of the past.
People are making electronic music that pushes synthesizers towards the same limits that beethoven and other greats sought to reach with their orchestras. If you cant find said music, it's not my fucking problem. Try listening to something other than what the radio tells you is good.

>>18330161
>Proust, Mahler, Prokofiev, Puccini
>19th century

>>18330755
Actually made me laugh

>>18330778
What parts of music theory have been created by electronic musicians or are they just doing a rehash of what greater men made?

>>18330781
They all created works in the 19th century

>>18330354
Brandon sanderson

>>18330161
>WAAAAAAH muh old times better
Grow up loser

>>18330794
>if it's not a system its trash
Firstly, I'm sure even you dont believe this.
Second, music theory, as a clear system of rules, applies only to baroque music and music of similar era. Do you dislike Schoenberg because he uses dissonance? Do you dislike jazz because it modulates? Those who truly understand music theory use their knowledge to escape the rigidity of the system that existed prior to them.
Thirdly, I'm worried that it's pointless to have this debate with you. I feel like you think of David Guetta and Daft Punk when I say electronic music, which would be very incorrect assumption.

>>18330856
You don't think there is a difference between a group of artists who literally created music theory vs someone who created nothing and only use what has already been done before?

>>18330161
h*lla epic and trad, upvote

>>18330881
>created nothing and only use what is created before
That isnt what is happening at all. If it was, then jazz would sound like schoenberg, who would sound exactly like mozart, who would sound exactly like bach.

>>18330856
Good posts anon. Would you recommend some good electronic artists?

>>18330881
Go on a walk and listen to 'drane2' by 'autechre' in headphones nice and loud. If you dont feel even slightly tearful by the end of the track then I'm sorry but you have no soul.

>>18330931
They use different instruments but they haven't invented anything new. Everything could be traced backed to classical.

>>18330161
The Industrial Revolution and its Consequences were a disaster for the human race...and great boon to the humanities.

>>18330937
That's not the point. Someone in Bach's day who imitated him could make beautiful sounding music but they are obviously on different levels.

>>18330958
Bach was a hack

>>18330965
Good one

>>18330932
Difficult question man.
'Drane2' by autechre is one of my all time favourite tracks but, genuinely, I cant listen to it very often as a lot of personal emotions are tied up with it.
Do you want pure ambient or more rhythmic stuff?

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>>18330958
Its completely pointless discussing this because you dont even know what you're talking about, and I lack the knowledge of music theory required to properly btfo you.

>>18330161
Stop posting this shit.

>>18331018
Why? It's one of the most important questions of our times that isn't talked about and doesn't have many answers.

>>18330161
Mahler, Prokofiev and Puccini are 20th century composers.

>>18331027
Who composed in the 19th century

Ill let you know in 10 years

>>18330161
Because good art is borne out of suffering, and things are too comfortable these days.

>>18331026
It's a repost

>>18331136
I know retard I'm the guy who started it lmao. I'm the same guy posting it every time.

>>18330161
>Proust
>19th century
kys

>>18331168
He wrote in the 19th century.

>>18330161
>Dumas
>ghost written genre fiction
>good
We have better writers now. This guy's the 19th century equivalent of Tom Clancy.

>>18331178
He is a 20th century author.

>>18331195
Who wrote in the 19th century

>>18331240
The work he's remembered for is entirely in the 20th c.

20 years ago we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Steve Jobs. Now we have no Cash, no Hope and no Jobs. Please don’t let Kevin Bacon die!

>>18331252
Yet he wrote in the 19th century

>>18331265
Nothing of worth, it seems, mostly juvenilia and amateur stuff. He started writing In Search of Lost Time in 1909, the 20th century. He IS a 20th century writer.

>>18331295
Yet he wrote in the 19th century

>>18331299
He's more a 20th century writer than a 19th century one.

>>18331313
Yet he wrote in the 19th century

>>18331323
Why do you repeat the same shit over and over? Are you a kneegger? Proust is a 20th century writer, end of story.

>>18331341
Yet he wrote in the 19th century

>>18331350
Name one thing of relevance he wrote in the 19th, nigger.

>>18331358
Les plaisirs et les jours

>>18331368
And now compare the influence and relevance of that to À la recherche du temps perdu.

>>18331387
Why is that relevant to whether or not he wrote in the 19th century?

>>18331405
He wrote one thing right at end of the century which didn't quite influenced the century vs most of his work in 20th century. When people say "he's a 20th century writer" or "he's a 19th century writer" what they mean is that his most influential works appeared in that century, not that he wrote juvenilia or irrelevant things therefore he belongs to that century.

>>18331449
Yet he wrote in the 19th century

>>18330161
you know it’s only been 20 years right?

>>18331477
Want me to post what happened in the first 20 years of the 19th century?

>implying 19th century authors weren’t 99% trash and we just forgot about them

>>18331472
>1% of his work in the 19th century
>99% of his work in the 20th century, including his masterpiece
>Subhuman niggers: He be a 19th century writa!
The 19th century didn't have Proust the same way it had Hugo and Stendhal.

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>>18331472
Can't stop laughing at this. There was a thread recently where this happened about Kant. If you published in a century you're a writer of that century. You can be a writer of multiple centuries. Not difficult.

>>18331167
Based forced meme creator

>>18330979
rhythmic

>>18331265
>Yet he wrote in the 19th century
Yet he’s not a 19th century author
>>18331299
>Yet he wrote in the 19th century
Yet he’s not a 19th century author
>>18331323
>Yet he wrote in the 19th century
Yet he’s not a 19th century author
>>18331350
>Yet he wrote in the 19th century
Yet he’s not a 19th century author
>>18331472
>Yet he wrote in the 19th century
Yet he’s not a 19th century author

>>18331498
The 19th century didn't have Proust the same way it had Hugo and Stendhal. He wrote one irrelevant thing at the end (1896). That can't be compared to the influential masterpieces written all throughout the century. Saying "In the 19th century we had Proust", well, not really, the guy existed but wrote nothing of worth. The reason he's relevant is because of what he wrote in the 20th. In fact, the reason why OPoop even cares about him is that. It's retrospective.

>>18330161
Spengler spent a 1000 pages in great detail describing why western culture is essentially dead.

>>18331520
The 19th century wouldn't have had an earlier Proust in the way it had Hugo anyway because they would've been different men with different writings with non-identical impacts on public consciousness lol. Your retrospective precludes any counterfactual like this imo. It's really not a big deal; Proust is most-known as a 20th-century writer and yet was also one of the 19th.

>>18330161
We're 20 years into the 21st century.

>>18331492
Sure now who is the 1% for the 21st century? Got any names?

>>18331518
Yet he wrote in the 19th century

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>>18331552
Nothing of relevance that justifies your whine of "having him" in the 19th century in the OP.

>>18331567
Being a writer of the 19th century is not relevant to writers who wrote in the 19th century?

>>18330161
There is good 21st century literature out there, you just don't like it or haven't found it. Also, many writers are only read and discovered years, even decades in the future, example: Stendhal and Melville.

>>18331567
Yet he wrote in the 19th century

>>18331604
Most of your list was already dead by the time Proust published Les plaisirs et les jours in freaking 1896.

>>18331615
If Proust hadn't written In Search of Lost Time in the 20th century you wouldn't even be whining about how he's comparable to Flaubert, Hugo and Dostoyevksy in the 19th because of some nothing burger poems at the end of the century.

>>18331513
Definitely check out autechre, start with the oversteps and draft 7.30 albums
Telefon Tel Aviv debut album is amazing
Some stuff by plaid is pretty good
Venetian snares has some crazy tunes, huge chrome cylinder or the well known orchestral one (has a track called Rossz cillag on)
If you use YouTube to find these I am sure you will begin to have great suggestions

>>18330161
So what? In the 21st century we have this