/lit/ - Literature

pretty sure this guenon guy now produces house music under the name Frits Wentink

>>18340972
no one here has read rene

>>18341018
I have, and I love him with all my heart

>>18340982
damn he really does look like him though

>>18341018
I have

>Guenon's first book, L'Introduction générale a l'étude des doctrines hindoues (Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines), was published in 1921. The book was first proposed as a thesis and delivered to renowned French Indologist Sylvain Lévi at the Sorbonne. Lévi however rejected it and said "The premise of a 'primal truth' revealed directly to primitive humanity based on an extreme reductionist view of Hinduism, is untenable".
They really hated him didn't they?

>>18341587
>Lévi
oy vey

>>18341810
>Sylvain Levi was the son of Alsatian Jews, born in Paris in the year 1863. Levi studied hard, becoming a lecturer in 1886 and a teacher of Sanskrit at the University
It all makes sense now, the forces of the counter-initiation had been conspiring against him from the very beginning, fortunately, with God guiding his path he was still able to ignite a world-wide influential intellectual movement that may yet save the day...

>>18341810
>>18341903
Why are (((they))) like this, bros?

>>18342921
There necessarily has to be agents of chaos and disorder in the universe, so that their actions against order and harmony balance out other orderly and harmony-promoting actions and forces; the balance of these two poles maintains the greater, immutable, equilibrium that characterizes all of existence. So, in a way, (((they))) are part of God's plan.

>>18342921
>>18343638
Guénon was not an anti-semite or racist.

>>18343652
>Guénon was not an anti-semite or racist.
True, but that didn't stop him from acknowledging the maleficent influence of certain modernist Jews in this passage from Reign of Quantity below, while he elsewhere still acknowledged traditional Judaism (which was not followed by any of these Jews that Guenon calls out) and Kabbalah as a legitimate religious tradition which points to the same truth as other traditions.

>In passing from philosophy to psychology it will be found that identical tendencies appear once again in the latter, and in the most recent schools of psychology they assume a far more dangerous aspect, for instead of taking the form of mere theoretical postulates they are given practical applications of a very disturbing character; the most ‘representative’ of these new methods, from the point of view of the present study, are those grouped under the general heading of ‘psychoanalysis’. It may be noted that, by a curious inconsistency, their handling of elements indubitably belonging to the subtle order continues to be accompanied in many psychologists by a materialistic attitude, no doubt because of their earlier training, as well as because of their present ignorance of the true nature of the elements they are bringing into play (1);

>(1) The case of Freud himself, founder of ‘psychoanalysis’, is quite typical in this respect, for he never ceased to declare himself a materialist. One further remark: why is it that the principal representatives of the new tendencies, like Einstein in physics, Marx in economics, Bergson in philosophy, Freud in psychology, and many others of less importance, are almost all of Jewish origin, unless it he because there is something involved that is closely hound up with the ‘malefic’ and dissolving aspect of nomadism when it is deviated, and because that aspect must inevitably predominate in Jews detached from their tradition?

>>18343683
>True,
>but
Classic.

>>18343697
I was speaking to the greater nuances of the situation, it's true that he wasn't an anti-semite, however he didn't view the actions of prominent Jews of his time with rose-tinted glasses and he criticizes a tendency found among them.

>>18341587
Lévi rejecting his thesis has been debunked. Besides, no Granet and Dumézil without Lévi.

>>18343723
Yes, but not because of their being Jewish. You're really reaching here and I don't appreciate it. I'll say again, Géunon was neither an anti-semite nor a racist.

>>18341903
Guenons traditionalism is NOT the same as all these other basement-dwelling tradLARPing stormfags

>>18340972
Anglos playing 47D chess
Guenon says that the Chinese Tradition is based on race. Does /lit/ think the Anglo Tradition is the Imperial Tradition?

>>18344396
There is also Freemasonry in Anglo-American

>>18343771
>Yes, but not because of their being Jewish
Yes, I wasn't implying otherwise, if anything he seems to view people like Freud etc as "infra-jewish", like how he views modernity and modern labor as reducing humans to an infra-human existence, similarly these people who abandon their ethno-religious tradition to adopt atheism and scientism etc are living a kind of existence that is spiritually and intellectually inferior to that of a pious orthodox Jew in Guenon's view.

>>18343771
Shut up, chud. Any criticism of any jew, no matter what they might have 'done' is anti-semitism.

>>18344463
>he seems to
I appreciate that you are thinking out loud, anon.

>>18344463
>>18344521
Evola says that are biggest problems are Secular Judaism and Political Freemasonry

>>18340972
>Annie Besant
Eternal femoids

>>18344575
>Evola
We're talking about Géunon, Evola's opinion doesn't matter.

>>18341018
Yes I have

>>18344583
Doesn't matter, Evola simply expanded upon this >>18343683
all secular jews

>>18341587
cope

>>18343771
>not because of their being Jewish
I said so, the jewish elements are more prompt to become agents of chaos once they turn their back from their tradition according to him, and he says I could be a very interesting study.
Also he says jews, as a nomad ethnicity during the last age, act as a dissolving malefic force. The second malefic phase coming with the destruction of the temple and the dispersion.
If you want I can find it for you.

>>18344617
*He said so

>>18341587
No one hated Guenon, his book was rejected simply because it is a pile of 19th century Occultist crap. That is the reason it was ignored by actual Orientalists.

>>18344645
Serrano was a schizo and countertraditional

>>18344645
And native hindus liked Guenon while they disliked the orientalists.

>WE HAVE HAD PREVIOUS OCCASIONS to point out that the Western world has at
its disposal no other sacred language than Hebrew

>>18346647
>native hindus liked Guenon
Of course they liked him. He told them they successfully kept part of the "primordial tradition". Instead of being honest and telling them that they are a bunch of backward pajeets who shit in the streets.

>>18346647
he was in direct contact was some of them.
Pic related talks about one of them. From "La vie simple de René Guénon" by Paul Chacornac. I found it in saint ouen's market.

>>18346733
I just finished that book in english.

>>18346769
Ah nice. I didn't knew even this one got translated

>>18346778
I was just showing the moment a collaborator had a vision of some elder in a palace in Bengal writing to Guénon

>>18340972
Fucking pussy, my great uncle got in Tibet while it was still illegal for foreigners to do so.
Fucking hated them too. Only people he had anything racist to say about.

Thread on Sacred Language
>>18346689

>>18341587
>Lévi however rejected it and said "The premise of a 'primal truth' revealed directly to primitive humanity based on an extreme reductionist view of Hinduism, is untenable".
But thats true; all contemporary archeology, from academicist to cuasi-fringe benoistian archeology, thinks exactly the same. The fact that even contemporary, and also old representants of oriental traditions, thinks Guenon was wrong, makes it even clearer.

>>18341018
I have

>>18340972
Imagine that, history could have been entirely different had Guenon gone to India instead of Egypt...

>>18340972
I hope you die a painful and humiliating death you pathetic sack of shit for shitting this board up with threads like this

>>18348638
Obviously Allah guided him to the right path so he wouldn't die an idolator and burn in hell for eternity

>>18341018
This.

Planned to read some Serrano (already have a strong background in traditionnalism)

which of his books would you recommend to me ?

>>18350529
None, he was an agent of the counter-initiation.

>>18350529
>he was an agent of the counter-initiation
I would say he was. I’d say his teaching is peculiar, more focused on race (he denounced Evola as advocating race mixing lmao), he explores Gnosticism, the Cathars, alchemy and Tantras in his doctrine of A-MOR (mystical immortality/love), and he tries to synthesize traditional teachings with modern authors like Jung and Nietzsche. He has some cookie theories like Nazi UFOs and of course, his most controversial claim, that Hitler was God. Aside from that, he is an interesting figure and a genuinely good writer, which you can enjoy as fiction if you like.

>>18350897
I wouldn’t* say he was

>>18340972
On the other hands, Pajeets begged Based Jung to visit them.

>My journey to India, in 1938, was not taken on my own initiative. It arose out of an invitation from the British Government of India to take part in the celebrations connected with the twenty-fifth anniversary of the University of Calcutta. By that time I had read a great deal about Indian philosophy and religious history, and was deeply convinced of the valueon Oriental wisdom. But I had to travel in order to form my own conclusions, and remained within myself like a homunculus in the retort. India affected me like a dream, for I was and remained in search of myself, of the truth peculiar to myself. The journey formed an intermezzo in the intensive study of alchemical philosophy on which I was engaged at the time. This had so strong a grip upon me that I took along the first volume of the Theatrum Chemicum of 1602, which contains the principal writings of Gerardus Dorneus. In the course of the voyage I studied the book from beginning to end. Thus it was that this material belonging to the fundamental strata of European thought was constantly counterpointed by my impressions of a foreign mentality and culture. Both had emerged from original psychic experiences of the unconscious, and therefore had produced the same, similar, or at least comparable insights.

>India gave me my first direct experience of an alien, highly differentiated culture. Altogether different elements had ruled my Central African journey; culture had not predominated. As for North Africa, I had never had the opportunity there to talk with a person capable of putting his culture into words. In India, however, I had the chance to speak with representatives of the Indian mentality, and to compare it with the European. I had searching talks with S. Subramanya Iyer, the guru of the Maharajah of Mysore, whose guest I was for some time; also with many others, whose names unfortunately have escaped me. On the other hand, I studiously avoided all so-called "holy men." I did so because I had to make do with my own truth, not accept from others what I could not attain on my own. I would have felt it as a theft had I attempted to learn from the holy men and to accept their truth for myself. Neither in Europe can I make any borrowings from the East, but must shape my life out of myself out of what my inner being tells me, or what nature brings to me.

>>18350897
He basically invented theosophical Hitlerism

>>18350897
So... what should I read of him ? Sounds interesting to complete the traditionnal views of Evola and Guenon.

>>18350897
>>18351103
Jung was counter-initiation according to Guenon. Apart from that, Serrano worte that his chilean master was in contact with some hidden master from Tibet or some stuff like that, and that he saw Hitler's spirit in the astral. This sounds exactly like those Theosophist and Spiritist theories. I know that you might enjoy reading him but you should be careful, this is satanism in the most strictest sense of the term. An exoteric christian peasant would have a much better afterlife than this kind of people obsessed with phenomena, magic, etc.

>>18351103
My advice is to start your spiritual journey and chose one religion, instead of reading a tone or books. After that you can learn latin, arabic or whatever and read the works of the sages of your religion. Don't get lost into this modern day authors.

>>18341018
I am right now.

>>18351260
based

>>18351260
This, best thing you can do. But choose wisely

>>18351596
>choose wisely
this

>>18350978
>British government of India
>Pajeets

>>18349831
Guenon (pbuh) threads are some of the best threads on /lit/

>>18341903
i only recognize guenon and evola? pls tell me the other faces

>>18353113
Guevola

>>18353156

>>18353113
Bannon, Dugin, Olavo de Carvalho

>>18340972
Perfidious Albion is always behind the worst, the worst.

>>18340972
His face makes me uncomfortable, which is why I’ll never read anything he wrote.

>>18353244
>His face makes me uncomfortable, which is why I’ll never read anything he wrote.
his light blinds you
your ego tells you to run

>>18353244
even his astrological theme was strange, but he turned it in very good way

>>18353240
Perfidion

>>18354773
guenonbros we got too cocky...

>>18347060
Eh. Bhagavad-Gita claims that. There's also the parable of the blind men and the elephant. Archaelogy is one thing, but the perennial idea that all religions point to the same thing isn't a 20th century invention.

>>18354773
seething hylic

Guenonchads, should I read Kant so I can understand Guenon better?

>>18354900
>Archaelogy is one thing, but the perennial idea that all religions point to the same thing isn't a 20th century invention.

Sure, but isn't Guenon's claim that all the current extant world religions aren't merely pointing in some way to the truth, but that they are very much branches of a tree degenerating away from a nearly perfect instantiation of the primordial tradition at some point in pre-history?

>>18355156
You should read Kant so you can understand what nearly all thought since Kant has been either trying to confirm or deny.

>>18355137
shoo crypto-buddhist

>>18341018
I have his book "Introduction to the Study of Hindu Doctrines" sitting in my shelves for months, I don't even remember buying it, should I finally give it a read?

>>18350978
Lol reading this, think someone is quoting Guenon. Think to myself, hmn this sure resonates with me. Reread entire post and realise its Jung.

>>18351234
I literally experienced a minor religious feelings reading that quote by Jung, like a resonance between two souls one lower the other higher.

>>18340972
It’s so annoying whenever I mention Martinism and then you get some retard who is like
>HURR DURR Guenon says Martinism does not have proper lineage
Well fuck you, it’s not Martinism’s fault Guenon was introduced to a shitty order

>>18356660
Surprises me too as I initially assumed that Geunonian push on this board was from Gornahoor readers.

>>18356680
What has Gornahoor to do with Martinism?

>>18356660
The concept of lineage is just an excuse to reject anything worthy of study. Just awnser with "the muses inspired it"

>Jung doesnt have a proper lineag

Nope the muses inspired him.

Done, whenever some of these "traditionalists" talk about lineages, just say you think the divine directly inspired your sources.

>>18356865
Pseuds are mad because they don't have acces to initiatic lineages or if they have, they know that those people will reject their new age pseudo-spiritual ideas. This is how you run from truth because of your ego.

>>18356865
If the theurgy works then the theurgy works

>>18356938
Martinism 100% has lineage though

>>18353344
Ugly people can’t write.

>>18357023
Idk about Martinism, haven't studied it.

>Martinism
Redpill me thereon

Googling Martinism right now and it smacks off Freemasonry/Counter-Initiation.

>>18357056
I think the problem that Guenon has was that the theurgical/magic aspect of Martinism, Elus Cohen, temporarily died out in the 19th century leaving only the theoretical ‘way of the heart’ meditative Martinism. Thankfully, the Elus Cohen system has been rediscovered and restored and even more so now thanks to the finding of certain manuscripts. But you can see the obvious problem when the main aspect of the system was lost when guenon was introduced to Martinism.
>>18357119
Modern Freemasonry was inspired by the Elus Coen and Martinism.

>>18357119
Maybe the neutered way of the heart Martinism, but not the actual theurigical magical Martinism

>>18357104
Here is a competent Martinist order which explains things pretty well on their website:
https://www.martinism.net/
https://www.bmosite.org/history
Here are some recourses:
https://mega.nz/folder/jlEwhYyJ#iK4mVC4y5iwk_cr3eIpX4g/folder/Owsg2aSD
https://mega.nz/#F!3WB2RQxb!gIuRbABeqj0SFY4aAE63fA

Guenonchad, thank you for furthering the discussion on Shankara.
I think you are right, we need a Shankara to save the west - not a Hitler

>>18340972
Literally what is wrong with his face?

Guenon loved that BBC, it seems...

>>18356938
There is no such thing as either initiation or lineage, outside of blood, something is divine because it is directly inspired by God period.

>>18356938
Btw also no such thing as an ego.

>>18360643
Initiatic lineage comes from the Prophets and their source is God himself.
>>18360649
Anti-traditional