/lit/ - Literature

cringe. burger zoomers should be executed.

>>18403695
>Like please move on with the plot already
kek they can't even enjoy books. they want a summary of plot points, formulaic character ""development"", and narrowminded/stagnant/cliche relatability.

Women are stupid lol

>>18403705
>oomers
>>>/v/

"I hate Wuthering Heights. Just a miserable book. No one is happy, everyone dies. Catherine is a ghost? And also has that weird 'person being told by another person about yet another person's personal life' narrative."

"Moby Dick is the worsttttt. It drags on forever and half of it reads like a whaling textbook. Weird af."

>Heart of Darkness
"Boring, poorly written, and hard to follow. Racist, misogynistic, and the protagonist is constantly trying to defend imperialism."

>The Merchant of Venice
"The play is made up of a lot of Jewish stereotypes and racist undertones. I struggled to see it as a 'masterpiece' because I couldn't help but think about the messages Shakespeare might have intended to project."

"East of Eden was sooo BORING! Also, the parts where Lee (a Chinese cook) would speak in a stereotypical manner made me wince."

reading shit like this really helps motivates me to be better

>>18403695
None of those books are considered classics by anyone but retarded high school teachers, though. The Grapes of Wrath? The Scarlet Letter? Godawful trash. The only good book(s) in that list is The Lord of the Rings.

>>18403713
They are specifically designed to make you aroused and help you cum. Think of all women as mini-succubuses. I think it is a net positive the less you associate with them because they really do a good job of trapping you into a lustful cycle.

Take butterfly, yes she has agreed to cuddle with me but she drew the line at fucking. With that manoever, she makes anything else I do incredibly more arousing for me and, probably, her. So that buttjob post I made probably sent her off the rails.

They like to make rules, or draw lines in the sand, that you are supposed to cross. :3

>>18403726
>Boring, poorly written, and hard to follow. Racist, misogynistic, and the protagonist is constantly trying to defend imperialism
This is a joke, right? How can anyone unironically believe Heart of Darkness is racist? It's one of the most deeply humanistic works I've ever read. The failure of colonialism is like the single major political point. I don't even

>>18403711
It's another result of public education having to meet the needs of the lowest common denominator. Plot points and character development are both easier to follow/regurgitate (from the student's perspective) and to test on (from the teacher's perspective) than writing/reading a report on the intricacies of a book's abstract symbolism and author's intentions.

>>18403750
>>18403750
No, it's even worse than the others

>tired of Tom bombadil's gay Songs? No problem, here's a detailed description of what the bricks in moria look like! By the way: there are races of people that are just pure evil and should all be exterminated! Let's sing another song!

>>18403695
>Classics
Only one of these books wasn't made in the 20th century

>>18403781
>he doesn't know about my boy Tom Bombadil
Sad!

>>18403695
Only americans consider those books "classics"

>retards only know the books taught in high school
color me shocked

>>18403726
>>Heart of Darkness
>"Boring, poorly written, and hard to follow. Racist, misogynistic, and the protagonist is constantly trying to defend imperialism."
>>The Merchant of Venice
>"The play is made up of a lot of Jewish stereotypes and racist undertones. I struggled to see it as a 'masterpiece' because I couldn't help but think about the messages Shakespeare might have intended to project."

Imagine being butthurt that someone dare uttered a truth that causes you butthurt.

>Tess of the D'Urbervilles
"A heartwarming tale of the trials of a woman that is ultimately raped, left pregnant, and forced to face the judgment of the people closest to her. Of course, her cousin/baby daddy thrives."

>Fahrenheit 451
"Honestly I feel like the book's depiction of censorship and technology is very outdated and a very 'old man screaming at children from lawn' sort of thing. They act as though technology has no good use. It's supposed to warn of a future without books and constant in-person communication but they don't realize that now technology is used to bring people together even more."

>One Hundred Years of Solitude
"Granted I didn’t finish it, but it just had too much pedophilia and incest in the beginning for me. Couldn’t get past it to see whatever was supposed to be amazing about that book. Not to mention everyone has the same freaking name!"

>The Taming of the Shrew
"The sexism, abuse, and gaslighting are absolutely over the top and horrific. I like a lot of Shakespeare, but that play made me cringe when we read it in 10th grade."

>Robinson Crusoe
"It reads like an agonizingly long shopping list of how this man survived by himself on an island. I found it mind-numbing and struggled to get through it, especially the parts where it gets uber-religious and Crusoe decides that it must be God who has kept him alive thus far. It took my hotel catching on fire and me needing to flee the burning building to make this book interesting, because I wondered for about three days if it was a sign from a deity since I'd read the passage where Crusoe finds God the night before. I eventually decided that I'm still an atheist, and this book still sucks."

>>18403781
>>18403794
tom bombadil was so based tolkein literally had no idea why he even wrote him into the story. he just manifested himself lmao

>>18403695
That Buzzfeed title is confusing. If I read it correctly it means some people want to retroactively cancel some books but also share and read them?

>>18403814
Leftism is helluva drug

>>18403695
Burgers gonna burger

>>18403814
nah, they're just "sharing their opinion" as to which books they want cancelled. they have to use this gay nonthreatening kindergarten language to make it seem like "hey it's just normal everyday people who are simply giving their opinions, it's not like the jewish media is behind literature being censored, it's just what the people want!"

>>18403850
Ok thanks, that makes more sense.

>>18403695
>>The Grapes of Wrath
I get this one, but t that’s mostly because it can’t justify the Biblical prose it uses.

>The Scarlet Letter
This book is really boring though, couldn't read.more than 60 pages because I kept falling asleep.

>Lord of the Flies
"Just couldn’t read it. I was physically sick throughout reading it and had horrendous nightmares. Not a book 12-year-olds should read plus I just thought it was a terrible story."

>To Kill a Mockingbird
"A longer-than-needed story where Harper Lee gets away with tons of racism and a white guy literally does the bare minimum and is now like a hero. Not to mention the second half of the story makes NO SENSE."

>Pride and Prejudice
"I get that a lot of people like that book and her as an author, but I DESPISED every second of that unit in my college lit class. I think I made it to Chapter 2 before I gave up and crapped my way through the rest of the unit. From what I can recall from my college lectures and discussions (though it was probably five years ago), it was just 'Oh look, I can marry this guy. Oh wow, there is another guy. Oh look it’s time for an elaborate ball! And look there is another cute guy in the corner!' I just did not find it appealing or interesting in any way shape or form."

>The Great Gatsby
"I NEVER understood the appeal, or even what half the book was about. Cool, some weird guy with money chases after a girl he used to know who’s with an abusive asshole. Then he ends up dead. There’s partying and alcohol. It’s BORING. I cannot understand why it’s so 'classic' and why people love it so much."

>Romeo and Juliet
"I know it wasn’t a book but it’s not the classic everyone thinks it is. First of all, she’s like 12 and he’s 18. They knew each other for a few days and got married. He was in love with someone else before his fickle ass wanted Juliet. Just awful."

>>18403878
>First of all, she’s like 12 and he’s 18
based based based based based based based

>>18403765
It being racist is a super common criticism (you honestly haven't heard it before?). Mostly, the criticism focuses on the portrayal of the blacks (as being devoid of character and agency).

>>18403878
The part about Pride and Prejudice is true.

>And Then There Were None
"The original title was very problematic, but although they’ve changed it, the book still contains lots of problematic and racist language inside. It doesn’t do anything to serve the story, which is also not great."

>Of Mice and Men
"It’s a short book, but it’s terribly boring. There is no main plot, and the message is unclear and confusing. What are we supposed to feel after reading it? It almost seems to want us to hate Lennie’s disability."

"1984 should have been great. The concept is phenomenal! As someone who never had to read it in high school, I looked forward to checking it out as an adult. As an avid reader and lover of classics, I cozied in and started in on it. I have read bad books, but usually you know going in they are going to be sub-par. It was dry, without redemption, the plot was full of potential that it never lived up to and it read like an opinion piece masquerading as a novel. I get why the American education system loves it, but a classic? I think not."

>Gone With the Wind
"First of all, portraying a plantation owner as a sympathetic, down-on-her-luck character is gross. Same goes for its nostalgic depiction of slave-owning southern culture. Also, people have written entire histories of the Civil War in fewer pages. I think it gets hugely overrated because the movie was so groundbreaking and because of Rhett Butler's delivery of the final line."

"I would say that any novel by Charles Dickens, such as Great Expectations or A Tale of Two Cities, should go. He is indulgent in his description, and yet it’s all incredibly dull — I understand he wrote his books as 'episodes' for magazines, but my lord, please stop taking 20 pages to describe a chair. Not to mention with the way he spells out metaphors, it’s obvious he doesn’t actually expect the reader to understand without his help.
The Muppet Christmas Carol is a masterpiece, however."

>At the end of history, there will be no art

>>18403695
Brave New World is better

>>18403695
>>18403726
>it's outdated
>it's old
>I cant relate in an ephemeral way
>its isn't easily digestable YA
>people suffer and that's like, icky
Desu I think they have it too easy. Struggling is such a fundamental part of human development and these stunted little shits don't know the first thing about tragedy or hardship. Fuck i hate them so much

>>18403807
>>Fahrenheit 451
Ironic how the response confirms the message of the book

>>18403695
>>18403726
>>18403807
>>18403878
>>18403915
This is satire, right?
If so, it's very well done.
If not, humanity is fucked.

>>18403766
Soon-graduating zoomer here.
How do we break out of that? What kinda conditioning should one do to themselves to disspell the school's conditioning?

>>18403810
Old Tom Bombadil was a merry fellow!
Bright blue his jacket is and his boots are yellow!

>>18403949
You need to completely raze everything you think you know. Just burn it all in a blaze and start over.

>>18403942
hmm yes society

>>18403915
I thought modern versions excised the parts about the Jews.

>>18403947
Eh, these are just the common opinions high school girls have, especially the ones who are really active on online spaces. They are the ones who end up writing the blog-style journalism that buzzfeed represents.
Though, to be fair >>18403807 is borderline satire.
>[Fahrenheit 451 is] supposed to warn of a future without books and constant in-person communication but they don't realize that now technology is used to bring people together even more.

>>18403954
Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!
Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow!
Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!

>>18403949
what the other guy said and also don't fucking go to college. to any high school zoom zooms reading this: drop out ASAP. there is literally no point in finishing high school any more. used to be you had to to get a job, but it doesn't matter anymore, you aren't gonna get a job anyway. if you do it will be flipping burgers or some other menial bullshit for some corporate overlord who makes millions, and at this point, you're better off getting yourself fired from that job and getting on gibs because they're so fucking easy to get now. seriously, fucking drop out of high school, it's not only pointless, it's poisonous.

>>18403949
Unironically this >>18403958
Accept that 99% of what you learned in school is either tainted, useless, or both, and that Americans' place within the global economy is in consumption, not production; in other words, there is no reason why the state should educate you properly, so you must educate yourself.

>>18403976
I feel like I have more opportunity since I've dropped out of college. I've been in contact with contractors and land developers and people who work in specialized vocations. These people are extremely skilled and competent and also make good money. They work is fun too. There's something really satisfying about working with my hands and building things. Theres also the fact that i'm outside and doing something new and engaging every day.
I wouldn't say dropping out of college is something everyone should do though. I have met very intelligent people who specialize in a particular field and go into post graduate work. They're always very interesting people to meet and talk to. Just don't damn yourself by being some generic liberal arts C student.

>>18403695
>>The Lord of the Rings
>"I absolutely hated it

ENOUGH.

>>18403695
>>The Catcher in the Rye
>"The book is so outdated, it doesn't feel relatable anymore. I had to read it in my junior year of high school and hated every minute of it. It hasn't aged well and half of the stuff Holden does doesn't work anymore in the modern world. It's also so boring."


Absolutely true, the only chapter that worth it is the 24th. Everything else is boring for a grown-up adult. This book is only a classic because it gaves 16 y.o. americunts their first thrill.

>>18403726
>"I hate Wuthering Heights. Just a miserable book. No one is happy, everyone dies.
BASED. ADD TO CART. PROCEED TO CHECKOUT.

>>18403695
He rapes his sister, Phoebe.

>>18404013
I'm reading it now. It actually is a very miserable book. But absolutely worth reading

>>18403958
This is something that has been very much on my mind this past year.
>>18403976
I agree. There's literally nothing of value. It's all a sort of anti-learning.
Go innawoods (or mountains or desert or whatever is your jam).
>>18403990
>Americans exist to consume
This was one of the most painful things to realize as time wore on in my senior year.
Unironically autodidactism is a much much better way to learn than school.

>>18403949
Seconding what >>18403976 said. Even if you want to go to college or do something gay like that you'd be better off spending your highschool years taking community college classes so you can transfer the credits. If they ask you about highschool just lie they accept everybody. Also get on dole. If you want to make a living you can git good at recognizing precious stones and make a killing at estate sales and second hand stores.

>>18403976
Based. We need more Untermenschen to serve us. Keep spreading the good word, brother!

>>18404038
What's dole?

>>18404045
Free government money, aka neetbucks

The only reason to be angry at these people is if you still harbour some naïve hope that universal education exists to enrich the soul of all men etc etc.
Education is a cruelty for most people. All these people are really saying is that they want to plough their respective fields in peace.

>>18404066
wack

>>18404045
>What's dole?
40 hours a week of mutual obligation in order to starve.

Prostitution for a teenager is more viable than the Australian Dole.

>>18403976
>>18403990
>>18403994
>>18404038

>>18404079

Sounds hell I get a call every fortnight to ask how I'm "getting on" which is a polite invitation for me to waffle up some nonsense down the phone about priotising my wellbeing and other such buzzwords and then it's over.

>>18404079
Yeah that sounds like a terrible idea.

>>18403750
The Catcher in the Rye is a fantastic book, anon. You just have to grow up to get it.

>>18403750
smells like bait

>>18403807
>Robinson Crusoe
They would commit suicide if they were forced to read Vendredi ou les limbes du Pacifique

>>18403891
>Mostly, the criticism focuses on the portrayal of the blacks (as being devoid of character and agency).
If this dynamic reads like racism instead of a commentary on colonialism, those "critics" have failed utterly at looking past the very first layer of depth.

>>18404097
>You just have to grow up to get it.
https://files.catbox.moe/yukmqt.pdf

>>18404131
I'm not going there. If you have something to say, say it.

>>18403924
Based singularity bro. I freak my normie acquaintances out with my schizo rants that this era is such a dead end across all timelines and cultures, both alien and human. As the pace to the singularity quickens diversity collapses until it no longer exists. The availability of all experiences at once means that past an invisible tipping point the experience of earth timeline: you is virtually indistinguishable from a sentient slug race on the server next door. Reality goes on rails once computation and simulation tech emerges. We're in the infinite repetition death throes of the obsolescence of physical experiences, as countless trillions+ of other cultures have already experienced in essentially an identical way. You couldn't pick a more boring and pointless time to be alive. Too soon to have access to everything but too late to escape the guide rails. It's a steel chute to oblivion from here on out. And it is hopelessly uninteresting because of the utter mismatch between our limited awareness vs. the inevitable.

>>18404151
Hey, things could be worse.

>>18404151
the problem isn't that history is over, it's that people have no idea what history even is. it's no wonder no one can conceptualize change.

>>18404097
This. Salinger really captures the essence of the world's segue into true postmodernism. Many of the issues and themes he raises were at that time brand new to post-industrial society in the wake of WWII. If it reads as passé to zoomers it's because they take as a given that sense of alienation and submersion-bordering-subsumption to the superfluous world which advertising had only begun to create. It's literally all they know. To boot, it lacks that carefully curated, ironic detachment we are all so familiar with here, having ourselves played a part in its creation. Catcher is fundamentally an honest book and one that searches for truth in the era of its last agonal breath. My suspicion is that a lot of people dislike it because the truth it seems to find constitutes an attack on modern dynamics they have been coerced in believing they actually enjoy and to which they have no reply.

>>18404176
What is history?

>>18403807
>One Hundred Years of Solitude
>"Granted I didn’t finish it, but it just had too much pedophilia and incest in the beginning for me. Couldn’t get past it to see whatever was supposed to be amazing about that book. Not to mention everyone has the same freaking name!"
the most retarded take I had ever seen
books should be banned for brainlets

>>18404177
A lot of people dislike it because a bourgeois pedophile is utterly unlikeable, and they read for leisure not conforming to the standards of a failed academic discipline whose only purpose was to buttress bourgeois rule.

>>18403695

>>The Scarlet Letter
"Not only is it an absolute slog, but there's little about it that is actually worth teaching besides English teachers' obsession with its color symbolism. All it does is promote puritanical thinking and it's honestly not that well written."

Imagine reading the Scarlet Letter and thinking "fuck yeah, punish that sinner"

>>18404145
>I'm not going there. If you have something to say, say it.
He rapes his sister, Phoebe.

>>18404191
This meme was already used in this thread.

Leftists thinking the current timeline and degeneracy is going to be the way of the future. If they can't name a superior "classic" which is going to replace it nobody is going to listen to the reading police.

>>18403695
t. filtered by highschool lit

>>18403807
fucking loved Robinson Crusoe as a kid, read it once and it sparked my interest in the Caribbean in general

>>18404194
It is an adequate summary of the literary criticism of Catcher contained at the link.

>>18404178
History is things that have happened.

>>18404224
I have no interest for somebody's "adequate summary". If you have no opinion of your own, then get out.

>>18404236
The link contains my opinion stated at length and argued on the subject of mentally ill child abused teenage boys raping their sister, and the components of the text which indicate such.

>>18404079
>be piece of shit
>get dole
>complains about it
Why dont you just kill yourself you worthless cunt.

>>18404276
Well, I was right not going there.

>>18403891
>being devoid of character and agency
That's what being enslaved does to you. These retards should go watch Django Unchained if they want agency

>>18404281
I work 60 hour weeks for above award..

>>18403695
This is right though, especially Catcher in the Rye. Nobody will be reading that in 200 years.

>>18403695
>all The Scarlet Letter does is promote puritanical thinking
Literally what the FUCK?! That's like saying 1984 is bad because it promotes totalitarianism. If this is just a troll post since you didn't link, good job you triggered me.

>>18403807
I agree that Tess of the D'Urbervilles is outdated and not really relevant anymore.

>>18404178
the manifestation of the spirit?

>>18404097

>>18403695
I checked the article and most (if not all) of those "opinions" were written by female humans. Do we need any more reasons to despise them?

>>18403695
oh it was written by a woman, who'd have thought. I swear to God, 99% of all women are utterly worthless and should never be aloowed to speak, and that's being insanely generous

>>18404995
>female humans
kek srsly

>>18404997
No, they were written by different women who post on BuzzFeed. There might be a few men although they are hardly men if they actually frequent that website.

>>18404231
what we call history is more like stories sewn together from preserved media and archaeological record... its probably pretty different from what actually happened

>>18403891
>(as being devoid of character and agency).
like someone already said, being devoid of character and agency is just the condition of enslavement. the criticism is a product of the liberal elitist perspective where the audience cannot be trusted to reach their own moral conclusions. you cannot just portray slavery as dehumanizing, you have to add a chapter from the slave's perspective showing how he's a deep and rich individual with hopes and dreams etc etc to convince the libs that neither you or your readers are committing thoughtcrime by seeing the dehumanized as less than human, even if that's the whole fucking point. ditto with feminists being upset that lolita doesn't show the girl's perspective.

>>18404231
obviously not what the word means. consider "prehistory".

>they think should be stripped of their classic status
Uh, what? It doesn't matter if they decide some old book is no longer a classic, it will still exist.

>>18403695
Not wrong. These are all good books, but aren't literary classics that were ever going to stand the test of time.

The Grapes of Wrath isn't exactly Dante, and the Lord of the Rings never approaches anywhere near the heights of Goethe.

These are Boomer classics, that is, books given classic status when the Boomers were teens. As with plenty of works, they fade with time. The Vipers Tangle is no longer known outside France and I'd put it above all these. Even Madame Bovary is losing ground and it BTFOs everything there.

>>18403726
Ok, Moby Dick and Heart of Darkness deserve to be classics.

Merchant of Venice is literally top tier immortal.

>>18403695
Scarlet Letter was a slightly less shitty Wuthering heights.

90% of these books are dogshit. Buzzfeed users actually have good taste.

>>18404310
This, you said it better than I did above. So many people seem incapable of seeing a narrator as anything but the author's personal views. It's like their brains get stuck on WOW LITERALLY ME vs. LITERALLY NOT ME. For some reason it's literally unimaginable that a narrator could himself be a component of the thing you are excoriating. If colonialism bad, narrator must be the superhero who saves everyone from it. If blacks are actually human beings with a richness and vibrancy to them, narrator must be telling you about it at every turn. This seems to go all the way up to the top of "academic" thought these days, and nobody seems to think it's an issue.

Am I suppose to be outraged over this? I do not care. I didn't even read your post.

>>18403695
why would anyone expect anything else than these opinions? it's just kids complaining that the stuff they had to read for school was hard to understand (because the school system has no idea how to actually develop literacy in children) and boring (because reading old books cannot compete for a child's attention with tiktok and video games, which have been designed to be instantly addictive and rewarding).

the entire mass education system is busted. it's just an institution training kids to fake competence well enough to pass the tests administered by the same/related institution, a big racket were nobody's teaching anybody anything, just mechanically executing the curriculum to make it look like something's getting done. of course nobody that got spat out of that system is prepared to get anything out of moby dick, how the fuck could they be? typically you will be literate if your parents were and took the time to pass it on, otherwise you're fucked.

>>18404041
Do you think college exists for the lower class to break from their slave chains? LMAO

>>18403695
Imagine being forced to read the FUCKING Lord of the Rings in a high school curriculum, holy shit the absolute state of the American education system.

>>18405139
i agree with you

>>18405139
>Teachers, take notes.
Only a few years ago I probably would have thought your post was overly cynical. I've realized that the only reason anyone could disagree with you is because the academic system isn't COMPLETELY busted. It's actually pretty amazing at one thing, and one thing alone: ensuring the existence of its own preconditions. If there's anything it does well, it's the reinforcement of its own institutional gravitas. Naturally, anyone who goes through it is predisposed to help the whole thing churn along because attacking it also attacks the bedrock of their own marketability in the labor market. There may be a certain crab bucket mentality to it as well: they jumped through the hoops and took on the debt and therefore you have to jump through them as well, or else the ultimately meaningless hoops they jumped through are exposed for their true, meaningless nature. It's all a genuine charade.

Why do you guys complain about literal who buzzfeed/twitter posts so much. Your classics aren't going to be taken away from you lol

>>18403924
Reminder that the end of history doesn't mean the end of events or even social development. All these apocalyptic memes were probably made by people who have only ever read the title of the book.

>>18403750
quality b8

>>18403765
People think it's racist because it had the nig word in it.

>>18404102
>>18405198
He's correct you American nigger freak.

>>18403695
I hated The Alchemist. It just preached a bunch of pseudo spiritual bullshit.

>>18403878
The public education system only keeps The Great Gatsby on its curriculum because it turns people off to reading for fun.

>>18403695
I fucking hate zoomers.

Holden is such a good representation of the inner thoughts of Zoomers that they want to get rid of it out of embarrassment and cope

>>18404119
basé

>>18403695
How the fuck is The Catcher in the Rye not relatable anymore? Even in my late 20s it's still one of the most poignant coming-of-age stories I've ever seen. Holden is undeniably immature, but he's not wrong in his assessments about the world. He's like almost every youth that becomes conscious of the world around him.

>>18405626
Catcher is more than just bildungsroman though. It's a changing of the guard in terms of both Holden's transition from childhood to adulthood, but also from one era of the world to the next following WW2 and rapid modernization. It's timeless not because we were all once Holden, but because we are all STILL Holden in the context of how human beings interface with the modern and still modernizing world. Its themes still hold true in a universally human way even after controlling for adolescence.

>>18405653
Interesting, I didn't know much about the war perspective. It's been about 13 years now since I've read the book so I might read it again

>>18403695
>the left doesn't have a problem with lolita
who would've guessed

>>18403915
In fairness, Dickens was a complete hack so I can agree there.

>>18405117
>Buzzfeed users actually have good taste
Guarantee their replacement suggestions are Harry Potter, White Fragility, that book about math being racist, some book by a lesbian nigger, etc.
They have awful taste.

>>18403915
George Orwell has a noticeably more contemporary and easy to read style than most of the classics on that list. I assumed this would make it far more palpable for zoomers though, not less.

>>18405665
It's nothing explicit in the book. Salinger is unlikely to have been aware of it himself, since the full implications of WWII wouldn't become clear until decades later. Those implications are probably still unclear. It's more of an hermeneutical interpretation, taking into account the context of the times in that manner available only via hindsight.

>>18403915
A Tale of Two Cities is good, but Great Expectations is genuinely dull. This is probably the only one on that list I wouldn't mind removing.

>>18403878
>To Kill a Mockingbird makes no sense
A nigger who is innocent of rape makes no sense. I can't argue there..

>>18403878
>>Romeo and Juliet
THERE'S A WHOLE FUCKING MONOLOGUE AT THE BEGINNING EXPLAINING HOW THE TRAGEDY IS TWO STUPID KIDS THROWING THEIR LIVES AWAY BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE IN LOVE
HOW THE FUCK DO PEOPLE STILL THINK IT'S TRYING TO BE ROMANTIC?

>>18403949
Do what I did and just don't pay attention in school

>>18403807
>Of course, her cousin/baby daddy thrives."
um.. never mind

>>18403695
our teacher made us read Fahrenheit 451
after finishing it I just went up to her and asked why

>>18404151
Cringe

Great thread.
High quality.
I love literature.
But it seems like the author of that article doesnt!

Not a single book listed ITT is a classic.

>>18406319
classic literature is not classical literature

If you're disheartened by the article, comments on the article are re-heartening.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/amatullahshaw/classic-books-not-classic

Also see the reactions in pic related.

>>18406335
The "classics" literally meant "classical literature" until people stopped being educated properly and thought "classic" just meant "old good book"

>>18406350
cry about it bab

>>18403695
>American Classics
Disgust.jpg

>>18403807
>but they don't realize that now technology is used to bring people together even more

>>18403695
Hey U.S., get your shit together, will you. Your nation has produced some of the most amazing writers of the past 200 years, don't let these kind of mental midgets rule over you.

>>18404190
Thats what i thought

>>18403695

Most of these are accurate.

>>18405701
It probably scares the fuck out of those who treat it with anything more than apathy, considering Orwell was right about everything.

>>18403695
>BuzzFeed
opinion discarded

>>18403695

>>18405995
Its because people took the cultural concept of a diplomatic marriage and projected unto romeo and juliet. People's reading of the play is inherently influenced by their expectation of it.

>>18403942
one of the characters (I think it was Faber) literally talked about how books arent important because they're books but because they actually provide thoughtful content. There would be nothing wrong with TV or Internet if they were as thoughtful as books, but they arent.

>>18403695
This is what happens when people expect literature to entertain them.

> Wuh wuh wuh why am I eating broccoli??? I only want deep fried oreos daddy!! Where are my oreos????

It's so gross. We need a plague that targets people under the age of fifty now, I guess.

>>18407259
Also Lord of the Rings is like trying to wrap heart worm medicine in cheese so your stupid dog will eat it. How the fuck do you complain about that? Are you so fucking adverse to anything with any kind of literary substance no matter how spare that you're gonna piss your pants and whine? You little piss baby? Gonna fill your baby diapers? With piss? I bet you are. I bet you love filling your diapers with hot stinky piss. I hope someone cuts your dick and balls off you fucking adult baby.

It's not like there's much lost anyways, if you're reading a Buzzfeed article there's a good chance your opinions don't matter at all anyways

>>18405665
I think it sort perfectly captures the feeling of "what am I supposed to do now" that began with the end of ww2. Afterwards things happened but they never went anywhere.

>>18407259
If a book isn't entertaining I won't read it, simple as. There are a thousand other things I could be doing, and have been throughout the entire history of books. If you can't entertain me you're not worth my time. "Profound statements about the human condition" and other bullshit for college classes is second to me having a good time.
Also, I will not read a scene about a husband or wife cheating on their partner for any reason. There are Street Fighter combos I need to memorize that are far more valuable uses of my time.

>Grapes of wrath didn’t have any character development.

Grapes of wrath is not a YA novel. Grapes of wrath was not about Tom Joad understanding his own worth, toppling capitalism and flirting with 2 men who are sort of friends but sort of rivals.

I feel like whoever contributed that item has a very narrow idea of what makes a book worth reading.

>>18405695
no jk rowling is a terf

>>18406849

We're a fusion of Orwell and Huxley.

>>18403695
white americans are going to ban themselves from public life and maive europeons are going to follow suit. the perfect opportunity for india to move in and establish superpower status.

>>18403765
there are also people who unironically believe that huckleberry finn is racist too because of the no-no word

>>18408965
Superpower 2020 baby

>>18405713
kek

>>18408965
First, they'll have to learn how to wash their hands and stop 2/3 of their country from shitting in the street. China has already outmaneuvered India to the point that they might as well just focus on their personal hygiene and leave global trade alone.

>>18409065
Did India figure out how to weaponize BO?

>>18408446
>I feel like whoever contributed that item has a very narrow idea of what makes a book worth reading.
We're talking about people who contribute to Buzzfeed. Honestly, what do you expect?

>>18403807
>Not to mention everyone has the same freaking name!"

How can some people so blatantly miss such obvious elements of books? The whole cyclical theme of Solitude should be obvious to any reader within the first 50 pages

>>18404177
I didn't like it because it was boring and gay.

>>18405713
>A nigger who is innocent of rape makes no sense. I can't argue there..
wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Frank

>>18404131
>Pale Fire reference
kek

>>18403915
>And Then There Were None
is that really a classic
i didn't like it but that criticism is retarded

>>18408295
>There are Street Fighter combos I need to memorize that are far more valuable uses of my time.
Like they are hard, lol

>>18403695
>Scarlet Letter
is the only one on there that should have never become a 'standard' in schools. absolute drivel. there has to be another American author who wrote around the same time they can replace SL with. I love to read and I literally could not focus on the book. So meandering, such useless long sentences, terrible characters, hamfisted 'symbolism', fucking terrible. Even the teacher hated the piece of shit. Only good thing was watching The Crucible.

>>18403726
Never heard of Heart of Darkness and Merchant of Venice before, but they sure as hell are on my reading list now

>>18404187
>>18409193
faggot

Stop giving them clicks. You know what it says before you open it. It’s all morality and political griping.

I think Catcher reads better at 22 when you're exiting college filled with ennui and the growing dread that your degree is worthless. We all have a little Holden in us.

>>18403726
You made me angry with Heart of Darkness, congrats.
>>18411727
the fuck, do you live under a rock?

Did any of you have to do shit like read Shakespeare plays out loud with each kid having a part? I absolutely hated it and it was boring as fuck. Nothing like listening to some ESL try to stutter out Oberon's dialogue in A Midsummer Night's Dream. It must rule to be an English teacher, fuckers just sit around and have the kids poorly read out dialogue aimlessly.

>>18403695
Good. They're all shit

Not surprised all of these people were filtered, first of all they created an account on a book site and pretend they didnt waste 4 years of their life realising that they cant do internal fantasy or dialogue, hence why they cant relate to any of the characters, and why they are terrible humans to being with who pick up liberal politics without actually subscribing to the ideas or philosophy.

>>18403878
>Lord of the Flies
Trash moralization circlejerk written by an old bongistan cristcuck afraid of anarchy. That said, leave it to burger leftists to cry about literal children fighting.

>>18411727
newfag

It was a mistake to let women read.

>>18403807
>They act as though technology has no good use. It's supposed to warn of a future without books and constant in-person communication but they don't realize that now technology is used to bring people together even more.
It only brought people into closer conflict.

>>18404494
Beautifully written though. Hardy underrated as prose stylist, you can see his poetic sensibility quite clearly.

>>18403695
Based, most of these books are dry and useless, cracked tomes. LotR should be kept though.

>>18403915
>It almost seems to want us to hate Lennie’s disability.
No who's ever read that book felt that was the point except the retard who said this

>>18403807
>granted I didn’t finish it
Then why the fuck are you dragging it’s name through the mud on the internet??
Too much incest? Too much pedophelia? It’s the old times in the fucking jungle what the fuck did you expect?? The incest was my favorite part desu

>>18403878
>to kill a mockingbird is racist!!
Have we really come to this? It’s literally a criticism of racism

>>18409193

No, anon, it's you, you're boring

>>18405701
They're probably disappointed they didn't successfully revolt

>>18412697
I AM NOT GAY

>>18411727
What the fuck are you doing on the /lit/ board you massive fucking faggot?

>>18403695
You had me till the last book.

>>18405094
/thread

>>18410746
No one is more shit at fighting games than me.

>>18405437
>The public education system only keeps The Great Gatsby on its curriculum because it turns people off to reading for fun.
but Gatsby is one of the few books in high school lit that are actually enjoyable to read

>>18405437
Gatsby is a test to see if you're smart enough to realize Nick fucks men.

>>18404190

my wife's highschool English teacher was literally this, the correct essay response was roughly "the Puritans were right and Hester was a slut who deserved what she got"

>>18403807
Ironically farenheit 451 warns about censorship coming from a population who does not want to read, instead prefering instant gratification of a TV show with its easily digestible plots and minority groups that we have become to afraid to offend. Reading her article she seems to be exactly like the type that Bradbury was warning about.

>>18413154
Same. I didnt read it. Got an A for bullshitting centrist democrat talking points.

>>18411907
They can't get better without practice

Social media has been nothing but a mistake.

>>18403765
I had to write an essay on Heart of Darkness in three separate classes for my English degree, and in all three the topic was limited to "is it racist or no"

My focus wasn't even literature

>>18412641
Its admittedly a narrative that is more focused on the white guy who is saving the black guy than the black guy himself.

>>18414978
Does this make it racist?

>>18403695
i agree no American books should ever be considered classics

>>18415018
Yes.

>>18403949
Ezra Pound's ABC of Reading.

>>18415026
Okay.

How a generation of uncivilized half-wits feel entitled to criticize absolutely everything, and how these people basically have no barrier to publishing their spiteful nonsense never fails to enrage me.

Attacks against classics are motivated by anti-white hatred. Their goal is to replace these books in the curriculum with their propaganda, or at least things that are sympathetic to their political project.

>>18403947
Anon, I...

>>18405653
>we were all once Holden
I never understood this argument—you don't mean to say that people actually identify with him?

>>18406764
>Your nation has produced some of the most amazing writers of the past 200 years, don't let these kind of mental midgets rule over you.
lmao

>>18404930
Yes

>>18404084
I've been both in that pic. I earned a BS with honors in biological sciences and writing from a 4 year university, and I was totally naïve and unprepared for how to turn that into work. Years later I attended a community college to get a nursing degree, which has more in common with vocational training than the world of academia. College is only as good as your plan to convert it into a job.

>>18416161
Seconding. It's a good deal if you know what you're getting yourself into.
I got a government degree from a liberal arts college, took out no loans, and walked away with a brainless 70k job I'm using to fund my real estate business. It can work if you make it, but otherwise it's better to learn a trade.

this thread seems like a good place to ask.
did anyone ever read this book where it follows two boys (could be like one more but i dont remember) that time travel using this roll-up computer keyboard? theres like this villain guy who like straight up tries to kill them multiple times.
it was probably one of the more cool premises of the random books i read during elementary school.
ive tried searching a few things on different search engines over the years with no luck. if anyone knows a good way to search for books please let me know.

>>18407305
>You little piss baby? Gonna fill your baby diapers? With piss? I bet you are. I bet you love filling your diapers with hot stinky piss. I hope someone cuts your dick and balls off you fucking adult baby.
How the fuck did someone like you manage to read Tolkien?

>>18403695
To be fair, The Scarlet Letter is a really fucking boring book.

>>18417147
>how can someone who says things I dislike actually like the things I like????

>>18403877
I love the scarlet letter, but I do hate that long introduction

>>18403695
Why would I care what barely literate low-wits have to say about anything?

>>18403695
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>>18416161
>College is only as good as your plan to convert it into a job.
Absolutely, entirely and wholly wrong unless you are specifically referring to trade schools. Universities should absolutely *not* be job-training. They should be centers of intellectual and academic study. The notion that universities need to guarantee their graduates some kind of career after graduation has led to the slow death of high culture.

The problems with 'Adam' in the picture is that he's condescending towards the less educated, and that he shouldn't have been attending university in the first place if his goal was finding a job. A university's philosophy department should be under no obligation to be a pseudo career-center, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an absolute pleb. Universities really should be for the elite and they should not be for everyone.

>>18417874
>>18417886
>ahem did you just mother flippin disrespecterino the immortal classicerinos of literature?

>>18417929
Its not about the disrespect itself, but the "reasoning" behind it

>>18417937
why isn't the reasoning valid

>>18404084
>chris
>still a retarded subhuman

>>18403695
Catcher and Scarlet Letter are shit and absolutely deserve to be struck from the canon

>>18417941
>I don't get it and its boring cuz its not like my ya books and netlfix show

>>18412697
kys tranny

>>18417950
if your book isn't entertaining it should be didactic
if it isn't either, it's worthless

>>18418017
It isn't "entertaining"" because zoomers are brainfried by the internet and barely read anything, let alone high school tier classics

>>18403976
something all american high schoolers should at least be aware of:
If you are a National Merit Finalist (~98th percentile PSAT score in your state), you can automatically receive a full ride to any public university in Florida. Choose a degree that's easiest for you, easy meaning requires the least amount of labor. To keep a full ride, you only have to maintain a 3.0 GPA. Scholarship lasts up to five years or degree completion, whichever comes first. Consider your university a patron who finances you in exchange for your occasional production of works to please them. You'll also get a free degree out of it.

>>18403695
Zoomercide when?

>>18408954
Don't forget Bradbury

>>18403726
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>>18403915
Thought for sure these were /lit/ parodies, but no, they're in the... article?https://www.buzzfeed.com/amatullahshaw/classic-books-not-classic

>>18403807
>Fahrenheit 451
>"Honestly I feel like the book's depiction of censorship and technology is very outdated and a very 'old man screaming at children from lawn' sort of thing. They act as though technology has no good use. It's supposed to warn of a future without books and constant in-person communication but they don't realize that now technology is used to bring people together even more."
Change a few words and you'll get the exact same thing this nigga is doing. Do these faggots read what they write or is this article a product of an AI programmed to be as retarded as posible?.

>>18413010
Nick is the definition of preppy gay but I could never find the way to write this at the time.

>>18403878
>Lord of the Flies
>"Just couldn’t read it. I was physically sick throughout reading it and had horrendous nightmares. Not a book 12-year-olds should read plus I just thought it was a terrible story."

Oh boy just wait until he finds out about...

Catcher in the Rye is faggot shit

>>18403958
This. Forget everything and go top-down starting with philosophy and logic (with philosophy accompanying you through your whole journey because it operates on every level of generalization), working your way slowly into more and more concrete fields like mathematics, then make the jump to a prosteriori science with phenomenology, then physics and psychology, then down to studies of more and more specific phenomena whether they be moral, sociological, biological, etc.

>>18403695
Agree. Anglo literature is shit.

>>18417094
Is it Pendragon?

>>18403807
>One Hundred Years of Solitude
>"Granted I didn’t finish it, but it just had too much pedophilia and incest in the beginning for me. Couldn’t get past it to see whatever was supposed to be amazing about that book. Not to mention everyone has the same freaking name!"
Finally, someone with negative IQ.

>>18405139
Completely right and I am glad this is recognized here. Especially the last sentence, which many haven't realized.

>>18403976
>also don't fucking go to college.
cringe. college is a pre-requisite to middle class life in today's america (unless you go into skilled manual labor or start your own business). just get a CS degree and make six figures starting while reading in your free time

>>18417943
What a cope. You would never be smart enough to do electrician work

>>18418697
>cs degree
>six figures

>>18418782
the starting salaries for junior software engineers in tech hubs is around $120K

>"East of Eden was sooo BORING! Also, the parts where Lee (a Chinese cook) would speak in a stereotypical manner made me wince."

>>18418852
>in tech hubs
Not only are those expensive areas, those are top of the line starter jobs. Most CS majors will be sucking dick for $40-$50k for their first job just like everyone else.

>>18414978

Go read Native Son if you want a book about a nigger being fucking retarded around white women. Then throw yourself and someone’s pregnant girlfriend off a roof.

>>18403976
do not trust this anon for he is american. college is highly profitable in europe and you would be shoveling shit if you dont have atleast a stepping stone above highschool

>>18418988
>those are top of the line starter jobs
no, actually. top of the line (google/FB) pays double that. 120K is basically what your average firm would pay in the SF Bay Area

>>18409193
this. feels like im reading an angsty teen diary

>>18418666
nah not pendragon but thank you anon

>>18403695
Pearls before swine.

>>18417094
drew the cover of the book to the best of my memory. the yellow could just be like a black but idk. for sure the two boys were on the cover in a simple art style.

>>18403695
>BuzzFeed
>blacks and LBTGQTRTS+ dont like literature
yeah we know already

>>18417929
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I FIND BOOK BORING SO IT MUST BE CANCELLED
america must be oribtally glassed with no survivors

>>18403695
>Lord of the Rings
>It reminded me too much of Les Mis
Israel must be destroyed.

>>18417908

Where did I say it was a university's responsibility to guarantee a career? My whole point is that it's upon the individual to decide if a university education is the right tool for them to achieve their career goals. What trade schools are there to become an aerospace engineer, a theoretical physicist, a biochemist, a material scientist or an economist? Just to name a few.

You seemingly see no situation in which universities are a valid career choice because your prior distain for higher education. You say you hate the elitism and condescension of university graduates but say universities should be for the elites and exclusive. You clearly have high praise for trade schools for creating job skills but then wish to further denude universities of that same ability. Your description of the ideal university and its "high culture" is like that of a piece of art, pretty but without utility. If I truly believed Universities were total shit, I sure as hell wouldn't use your argument to state the case since it appears to be entirely derived from your blanket dislike of university graduates because of some perceived condescension.

P.S. no university philosophy department has been or will be a pseudo-career center. I think we all already know that's a dead end, but that does not reflect every field of study.

Why must zoomers be like this
Why must americans be like this
Why is Buzzfeed still allowed to exist

>>18403878
>To Kill a Mockingbird
B A S E D

>>18403915
>He is indulgent in his description, and yet it’s all incredibly dull — I understand he wrote his books as 'episodes' for magazines, but my lord, please stop taking 20 pages to describe a chair.
literally what
>Not to mention with the way he spells out metaphors, it’s obvious he doesn’t actually expect the reader to understand without his help.
confirmed retard

>>18420437
>College is only as good as your plan to convert it into a job.
and
>it's upon the individual to decide if a university education is the right tool for them to achieve their career goals

are different statements. The first explicitly values college based on resulting career impacts. The second is better, but still stupid because it's again implying a judgment about education based on career impacts.

Any career benefits derived from a university should be of secondary importance to the education itself.

>You seemingly see no situation in which universities are a valid career choice because your prior distain for higher education
I have no disdain at all for higher education. In all likelihood I value it higher than you given that I think it is a good in and of itself and not just as a conduit to career success.

I don't think universities are shit; I think people who only or mainly see a university's utility as career-training are shit.

>>18420465
My generation never had a chance

>>18420945
we need a war
just wait
when the war comes we can repent for our generations
fight for our God against the yellow devils

>>18420958
Fight for the Kultur Terror golem? Fuck that, i hope the gooks overrun us

>>18417094
>>18420183
not outernet?

>>18421061
not outernet. the book had an oddly serious tone if i remember